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Interview with Jared Taylor of American Renaissance

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Editor’s Note:

I have omitted Brett Stevens’ introductory remarks since they were directed at readers of his website and are not necessary for our readers. You can read his full text here:

White Nationalism seems to be an outgrowth of the conservative belief in nationalism, except that White Nationalism swaps racial loyalty for loyalty to a specific national group (German, Dutch, Nigerian). Why do you think mainstream conservatives do not embrace this idea, or do they?

I don’t like the term “white nationalism.” It makes people think of Basque nationalism or Kurdish nationalism, with their menace of potential violence. There is no good word to describe my views on race because they were so taken for granted until 50 years ago that no word was needed for them.

I will draw you a parallel: Imagine that we lived in a society that had decided to promote communal rearing of children and had declared that it was a vicious form of prejudice for parents to care more for their own children than for other children in the community. Let us imagine that traditional parents were derided as “familists,” which had become a harshly derogatory term. There would be no good word for “familists” because their views were so traditional, so taken for granted, that the language never needed a word for them.

Those with traditional views on race are in the same predicament as “familists.”

The traditional view of race was this: Americans believed race was a fundamental aspect of individual and group identity. They believed people of different races differed in temperament, ability, and the kind of societies they built. They wanted America to be peopled by Europeans, and thought only people of European stock could maintain the civilization they valued. They therefore considered immigration of non-whites a threat to whites and to their civilization.

Practically all Americans shared these views, which I believe are entirely sound. I would have seen eye to eye on race with Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, and Dwight Eisenhower.

To answer your question, however, mainstream conservatives have been browbeaten on race just as much as liberals and have been well trained to think that race is not a legitimate criterion for policy-making or any kind of personal decision.

I would think that any conservative would be interested in conserving the numbers and influence of his racial group — especially when other racial groups are aggressively expending their numbers and influence — but conservatives are just as terrified of race as anyone else.

Your group recently had its biannual conference canceled after leftist groups and a local governor acted to convince the hotel chain to disallow the meeting on its property. A few days later, the same hotel chain allowed a Minneapolis group to meet to discuss “ending white privilege.” Why do you think this double standard exists, and why did your cancellation get less national press than a similar cancellation for, say, the Nation of Islam?

It is because we are white and believe whites have legitimate group interests. For reasons I cannot fathom, every other race is allowed to have legitimate group interests, but when whites think in these terms it is “hate.” This is ultimately a suicidal state of mind, because if whites continue to act only as unaffiliated individuals they will be pushed aside by others who have no compunction about acting together to advance group interests.

Which do you think is more popular, conservatism or liberalism? Is popularity important, or is there some other metric we should use for picking our political direction?

Liberalism is more popular and it is easy to see why. Liberals think they are compassionate and morally superior to conservatives. They think human beings can be perfected by government, and this is, for them, a comforting thought. It is a strange form of compassion, however, to force citizens, though taxes, to support those whom taxpayers might not, themselves, wish to support.

At the same time, the entire sweep of American history is “liberal:” government intervention into increasing areas of our lives, expansion of the franchise, the rise of homosexual rights and women’s liberation, promiscuity rather than monogamy, rehab for criminals rather than punishment, urban rather than rural life, individual indulgence over responsibility to the community, etc. Liberals therefore think of themselves as the standard bearers of history, and in many respects they are. The attempt to pretend race does not matter is part of this great liberal refashioning of the modern world.

However, “popularity” is the worst reason for choosing a political affiliation. Our politics should reflect what is both moral and in conformity with human nature. Much of liberal politics is based on agreeable fantasy, and most people prefer agreeable fantasy to disagreeable fact.

Do you think whites concerned with having more political representation should form a separate pro-white movement, or work within mainstream conservatism? How do they overcome the unpopularity of their views, and the popularity of the apathetic worldview many voters seem to hold?

I think racially conscious whites should make their views known in every manner. They should have their own groups but also work within other groups. They should run for office. They should start small, running for city council, school board, etc. Eventually they could be elected to state house and Congress. The best way to make an unpopular (but true) opinion more popular is to repeat it as often and to as many audiences as possible.

Does the cancellation of your conference suggest to you that leftist views are gaining in power, or waning and this is one of their last attempts to assert the old order of political correctness and the politics of pity?

Leftist views are waning. Just look at the comments to the electronic editions of daily newspapers. They often sound as though they were written by readers of my publication, American Renaissance. The liberal view is a misreading of human nature, and you can push society in unnatural directions only so far. As the Horace noted in the Epistles, you can drive out nature with a pitchfork, but she will always return.

Have you read Samuel Huntington’s The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order? If so, what did you think of its thesis as an interpretation of what American Renaissance is doing?

I am sorry to admit I have not. I should. In general, however, clashes of civilizations are proxies for clashes of races. For the most part, only the biological heirs of the people who established a civilization will carry it forward in a meaningful way. Can you imagine moving to Cambodia, assimilating perfectly, and contributing to the unfolding of Cambodian civilization? And yet people from Cambodia, Sudan, Haiti or Iraq are expected to come to the West and assimilate perfectly.


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  1. WG
    Posted February 23, 2011 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    Pathetic. Where is the passion? Where is the righteous hate? Where are the ideas? Where is the inspiration?

    It seems I’ve read the same JT interview every year for the last 15 years or so. What is the point? What is the point of JT?

    Gentlemen from Virginia please step aside. It’s time to hand the baton to a new crop of hard-headed young WNs who tell it like it is and are willing to act on it.

    The AmRen approach is clearly no longer working.

  2. Jupiter7
    Posted February 23, 2011 at 5:10 am | Permalink


    It is a question of scale. The current level of economic inequality is a direct result of policies that transfer massive wealth away from ordinary Native Born White Americans to the White greedy cheating class. And the number one policy that has created this inequitable state off affairs is post-1965 Immigration Policy along with “free” trade policy. Both these policies have resulted in the globalization of the US domestic labor market. If the 1965 Immigration Refrorm Act had not been passed, there would have been a much higher degree of economic equality in a society that would still be 90 percent majority-independent of goverment programs. Unfortunately, there is a hard core Libertarian-Austrian school core in the White Nationalist movement that openly programs economic ineqaulity as a great virture. This is a message that wl make it hard to recruit White Americans such as the ones rebelling in Wisconsin at the moment into to the revolt against race-replacement. I might as well state it:if the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed, the Union movement in America would be a lot stronger by several orders of magnitude…this was the trend which has now been drastically reversed. And it it would have been a union movement that would have been 90 percent Native Born White Americans. Everyone would have a union that would be as strong as the cops and firemen…the two unions that the economic reactionary governor of the state of Wisconsin will not destroy.

    Jared Taylor should start presenting himself as friend of Native Born White American labor.

    Generally speaking, Jared Taylor should-in his MSM performances-link together the race-replacement issue with the ecological-environmental issue, the cultural issue and the economic issue,for all three of them rise and fall together.

    Jared Taylor should also stay away from the Reagan worshipping nonesense that goes on over at Ronald Regan was an evil race traitor, war criminal and whore for the corporations. This is the garbage you get from James Fulford and Patrick Cleburne….two chickenhawks and former Reagan youth enjoying their trust funds. Ronald Reagan was the mortal enemy of ordinary Native Born White Americans.

  3. Jupiter7
    Posted February 22, 2011 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    To follow up with my previous post. We really better be prepared. I don’t know when exactly the stuff will hit the fan. But let us not be shocked if it hits tomorrow morning when we wake-up. I was watching Orange County Choopers the other night. Paul Teutle jr and Vinny visted a Orange County foodbank.Tthe woman who runs the foodbank stated that the foodbank can not meet the growing local demand. This is going on all around the country. If the economy continues to contract, this nation is going to break…America has been net importer of food for the past several years. We are in a dangerous ripe for taping into the healthy and normal racial zenophobia that lies just underneath the surface

  4. Jupiter7
    Posted February 22, 2011 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    The term White Nationalist is of course not rigorously defined. It has an evolving meaning. And there is no reason why it couldn’t evolve into a disposable term. However, the one thing we must be absolutely rigid on is the phrase “revolt against race-replacement”. I use this interchangeable with White Nationalist for the time being.

    Another fundamental and obvious point. What we are doing us utterly normal and natural.. We are doing racial nationalism-the exact same thing that high fertility post-1965 nonwhites are doing within the borders of America..with the complete approval of Lefties-Alexander Cockbun and Ken Silverstien-NJ Governor Chris Christy-inner circle of the of the Republican Party-and DNC chairman and trust fund kid Howard Dean. This is exactly how we should put it when we talk to our fellow White Americans.

    Another thing:We must confront our fellow White Americans with the very nasty consequences of racial minority status….more and more of them are experiencing these nasty consequences. Those electronic comments on MSM websties-as Jared mentioned-is evidence for this. The time for pulling punches is over. Tell it like it is. Racial minority status will not mean the end of affirmative will mean more affirmative action enforced at gun point.

    As far as a White Nationalist economic message goes, it’s gotta be anti-coporate and radically populist. I don’t believe there is any other game in town. If you think there is Jared, consider this:We should expect with 100 percent certainty that as wealth continues to be transfered away from Ordinary Native Born White Americans to the greedy cheating class-this is what they are-expect to see increasing starvation within White America. When this happens, a White Nationalist message that pushes free markets and economic inequality as the natural order of things will be rejected. Think about it. We need to have the right message and the right alternative poltical structures to replace the comming collapse of the DC beltway consenesus….and collapse it surely will.

    • kennewick man
      Posted February 22, 2011 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

      “Tell it like it is. Racial minority status will not mean the end of affirmative will mean more affirmative action enforced at gun point.”

      Zimbabwe is a striking example of what we have to look forward to if we do nothing to prevent minority status. Of course the whites were always a minority, but when they were in control the country was an exporter of food, the black residents had a higher standard of living than Africans in black-run countries, and the Rhodesian dollar was worth $1.20 US. Under African control, land was taken from whites and given to blacks, resulting in a shortage of food, and a 100 trillion Zimbabwe dollar bill was worth about $30 US in early 2009 when they abandoned the use of their own currency. Also there has been a great deal of violence, including murder and rape, more or less government sanctioned.

      “As far as a White Nationalist economic message goes, it’s gotta be anti-coporate and radically populist.”

      I think you are right here, but it also has to instill a sense of self reliance in whites who have been taught that they deserve to be taken care of by the government. Of course it’s hard for young working class whites to be self reliant in a society with few jobs available, and access to those limited by affirmative action. And it shouldn’t demonize those who have earned money, even a lot of money, in honest and useful ways, as this might alienate a number of whites with various abilities, including the ability to bankroll the movement.

    • Lew
      Posted February 23, 2011 at 8:01 am | Permalink

      Great observations — revolt against race replacement. I like it.

  5. Cary
    Posted February 22, 2011 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    “The best way to make an unpopular (but true) opinion more popular is to repeat it as often and to as many audiences as possible.”

    This exactly true, and speaking in your white voice as often as possible is the cure for the taboo on speaking in white-centric ways.

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