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Down the Rabbit Hole with Horus the Avenger"/>
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Podcast no. 9
Down the Rabbit Hole with Horus the Avenger

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Mike: I’m here with Counter-Currents Editor Greg Johnson. We’re speaking today with Horus the Avenger, creator of the very popular and influential Follow the White Rabbit podcast series on WhiteRabbitRadio.net. Horus, how did you get started with the podcasts and what did you hope to achieve when you started them?

Horus: Basically I was originally asked to bring out a podcast by an associate of Bob Whitaker, from WhitakerOnline.org. And the podcast itself we came up with Horus the Avenger’s Follow the White Rabbit, and it is done in allegory, meaning I’m a White Rabbit. But we’re not really rabbits, we’re speaking in allegorical terms obviously.

The objective was, why wasn’t Bob successful in getting the Little Stormfronters – that what I call them at least – on a Consistent Message. What is going on? Because he has a Consistent Message: he is a professional at writing this, he has done it at the highest levels on this planet. He was involved in the front against Communism even in places like the CIA. Why aren’t they getting our message, why aren’t they using his stuff?

And we found out some interesting things. One, there was a disconnect in audiences: he’s kind of old. Two, he’s targeting the wrong audience. Instead of targeting, like we’ve done, anyone White and normal that happens to be surfing the site, he’s trying to target the Stormfronters themselves. And when you get into dissident communities — it doesn’t matter whether it’s the Soviet dissidents, or the pro-White dissidents like yourselves – you’re dealing with very individualistic audiences with very individualistic characters who are not prone to go on a Consistent Message. For various different reasons they want to develop their own techniques, it could just be ego: another leader doesn’t want to use his stuff.

And so I took a step back and I basically had a wing at it. I did six podcasts that . . . I didn’t have a website then, this was six months before WhiteRabbitRadio.net, which is my site, came out in September of 2009. This was six months prior to that.

We put up six podcasts on WhitakerOnline.org and it kind of blew up in our faces. Basically I’m just targeting anyone White and normal that surfs Stormfront, that likes alternative news and research. And the reason we’re targeting them is, based on our research, they want to fight the New World Order. They’re interested in it. The largest, most successful sites in the world, outside of White Nationalism. You have a very big asset that’s not being deployed against an enemy. Effectively in our opinion the largest asset would have been the Infowars, the Rense.com which I advertise on as of right now. These are huge, huge websites, the largest in the world, and these people are active in fighting the New World Order. But at the same time there was a huge missing link: they weren’t making it racial. So what I do is I twist everything back to making it racial basically. And it worked but better than most expected. There’s a lot of surfing in between the Infowars and the Rense.coms, and you’ll even find websites like yours and Stormfront; all the big White Nationalist websites. They’re looking for answers; they have questions.

But no one’s ever tried to approach them personally in a way that they would like to hear. So that’s what I attempted to do. I only expected to do six, and then we actually ended up getting WhiteRabbitRadio.net, and I rolled out over 70. And now of course we have a subscriber series where we carry on news and views as well as alternative news and research: I cover both ends in separate podcasts called “Endgame Exotica,” and that’s how we raise capital. We sell digital media besides T-shirts and whatnot. And we’ve been able to raise capital to support advertising on very expensive sites like Rense.com

That’s where we’ve been, and we’re heading into animation.

Greg: That’s great. That’s great. So you’ve been doing this for about two and a half years. Where do you get the White Rabbit terminology, and where do you get the Horus the Avenger terminology?

Horus: Horus the Avenger is pre-dynastic Egypt. And at the time I was asked to do it, it was really just off the top of my head. At the time I was asked to do it I was reading all about the Hyksos in Egypt. Our enemy has a big connection to the Hyksos; that’s another podcast for Counter-Currents. What I was interested in at the time is not necessarily . . . most of our side always thought that White Nationalists, Paleoconservatives, go into our enemy in the past 3-400 years. I’ve been doing something radically different about 10–15 years ago: I started taking the alternative news and research segments really seriously and going to our enemy way back, what they say. And so at the time I was looking at the Hyksos, they were driven out of Egypt. And the Egyptians resurrected this ancient mythos, this ancient allegory of Horus the Avenger killing the red hippopotamus.

And I thought it was rather entertaining, so I married the two together. At the time the person that asked me to do it, Bob Whitaker – if you know anything, he’s big on shortwave radio, and so is this individual. He was using White Rabbit for something. And so I thought of Follow the White Rabbit of the famous Alice in Wonderland.

And that of course has ancient links to Europe. Right now it’s very common for any listener to see a White Rabbit because they’re raised in captivity, but our ancient ancestors did not see White Rabbits that often. They were considered a huge omen of good luck simply because they’re so rare. An albino white rabbit in the wild is very, very rare: it’s like lightning striking. And they were associated with good luck; they’re associated with divine intervention.

So I just married the two in tongue in cheek. And invented the characters because we have a problem, my listeners know we have a problem with an enemy that looks like us but they have no loyalty to us. Now we talk about the Jews, but I made it into Pink Rabbits. I don’t consider our enemy necessarily non-Whites, because who imported them?

Down with Pink Rabbits!

And most of the alternative news and research realizes there’s a problem at the top of Western Civilization that’s White. They know about the Zionism, but I start making moves into that particular area. So I create a dynamic within our race between the White Rabbits and the Pink Rabbits.

A little bit different from what most of your listeners would be used to. But it is tailor-made to an audience that is geared for fantasy.

Greg: That brings me to another question which I think is really interesting. Your focus is on retail politics, staying on message, getting the Mantra out there.

Horus: Sure

Greg: Yet at the same time, there’s a large element of what I’ve seen of your podcasts and your website that’s sort of Jeff Rense-y/Art Bell-ish, and I was just scratching my head, thinking these two things don’t seem to fit together. Why don’t you explain that to me.

Horus: Sure. You’re dealing with an audience that demands two things. There’s two things that everyone knows. One, Nazis sell. I take WWII revisionism from a radically different perspective. Two, aliens, that whole entire media genre, is huge. It’s the biggest thing online. The biggest bulletin boards online are Godlike Productions: a thousand times bigger than Stormfront, this thing is the top 1000 websites in the world or something like that. That’s all they’re dealing with, is aliens, and 90% of the audience is White.

I have listeners that believe our enemy is from another world. I can’t prove that. You can’t disprove it. I don’t care about that. I’ll engage them on that as long as they’re willing to fight under our terms. So I find that the two, shockingly enough, marry quite well. We found that if you’re not talking about these two topics – and let’s face it, the Discovery Channel, the National Geographic Channel, they’re getting the same research that we got a hold of – these things sell! These are big, big buzzwords. Ancient Aliens and all these TV shows. We just married the two together. I just take it from a little bit different perspective.

And there’s a lot of weird things about our enemy, our enemy’s ancient background, and all the crazy stuff they say. [laughs] So it kind of all goes together in some way, shape, manner, or form. But you see, putting a group together on a Consistent Message is incredibly easy.

Here’s a talking point: when someone calls you a racist, all you say is, “In your opinion I’m a racist, you’re just saying that because I’m White. Anti-racism is just a codeword for anti-White.” That’s very easy. If you’re not on message — let’s say you’re a Republican commentator for the Republican Party going on Fox News, you’re going to have talking points; if you’re not on that, you’re fired. That’s very easy.

We don’t have anyone in our employment; we’re trying to induce them into using our message. It’s called herding cats, actually; that’s what old Bob Whitaker calls it. It is the most difficult thing to do. I’m doing it just by accident, basically. Herding cats, you know, every barnyard herds cats differently. You can’t herd cats, basically. I just put out the right milk, and here they came, meow, meow, meow. It ended up working very, very well. But I’m talking about what they demand, what this audience demands we talk about to reach them at least.

I’m just doing a little bit different format, and I’m the only one doing it from a racial perspective, what I call a legitimate White Rabbit perspective. And they’re not used to hearing race talked about in animals; I’m using an allegory so it catches them off guard. They’re used to standard-type racial banter, if you will, that maybe me or you would respond to. They don’t respond to that at all, obviously. [Laughs]

But they are on the websites. They are looking for answers. They are asking some interesting questions. So that’s what we’re doing, basically. Sometimes we’re inserting the right questions to be asked. Sometimes we’re giving them the answers, and there’s all kind of interesting links on my website that they jump to. And obviously the site is very, very fast-growing.

Greg: Tell us about your growth and your audience. How many people are involved in this? How many people listen to what you’re saying?

Horus: Oh my . . . I don’t even know the number of terabytes now, because we’ve got secondary distributions, but we typically get anywhere from a half terabyte up to a terabyte and a half of downloads of Follow the White Rabbit series a month. There are about five hundred, closing in on six hundred subscribers to Endgame Exotica. Now that is both free and paid, and we’ve got closing in on a hundred paid.

So right now on BUGS swarm, which is online activism, the record was 81 activists posting the Mantra and reporting it, and there’s probably, our enemy would calculate, three times that number or something along that line. It’s probably double that number posting and reporting. We want 300 online. Which doesn’t sound like a big number but it doesn’t take a lot of people to get out a message if you have major media assets, and we have that online.

I’m here to tell your listeners: you have major media assets. But you can own Fox News like the neocons, but if you’re not using it to control the message you ain’t going nowhere: someone’s gonna take it from you. So we’re using our media to control the message, to control the dialog basically. And we’re doing it, of course, with a Consistent Message.

The New World Order is all about White Rabbit genocide, it’s all about our death. It doesn’t matter whether you worry about aliens, or [Laughs] the Jewish neocons. It doesn’t really matter which way you take it. That’s ultimately what it’s about. So fighting it is the most important thing.

Under this system, this system is a very closed system. We model the fight against this system very similarly to the fight that Bob participated in against the Soviet Union, which wasn’t brought down with bombs and violence. It was brought down with its own contradictions. Put to the broken record strategy, which is just repeating a very effective Consistent Message over and over again into a populace.

Greg: So, what is the Mantra? I’ve seen sort of various versions of it, and people even come to Counter-Currents thinking we need the Mantra, ourselves, repeated in our comments threads. But what is the Mantra? Can you explain that to us?

Horus: I can give it to you. Anyone listening can go to WhiteRabbitRadio.net. I have an About page that’s very thorough, and the Mantra is done by a beautiful White girl that has about a hundred thousand views now. Sooner or later they’ll probably take down the video and we’ll have to put it up somewhere else.

The Mantra is simply a Consistent Message developed by a professional, Robert Whitaker, who has done this at a very high level. Taking down our enemy point by point, taking apart their terminology and imposing our new terminology: words like “anti-White.” And I can read it for you. Would you like to hear it? It’s very simple. It’s 222 words of an anti-White system-killing death, and there’s variations of it, but there’s one main mantra:

Everybody says there’s this race problem. Everybody says this race problem will be solved when the Third World pours into every White country, and only into White countries. The Netherlands and Belgium are just as crowded as Japan or Taiwan, but no one says Japan or Taiwan will solve this race problem by bringing in millions of Third Worlders and “assimilating” with them. Everybody says the final solution to this race problem is for every White country – and only White countries – to “assimilate” i.e., intermarry, with all these non-Whites. What if I said there’s this race problem, and this race problem would be solved only if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into every Black country and only into Black countries? How long would it take anyone to realize I’m not talking about the race problem, I’m talking about the final solution to the Black problem? And how long would it take for any sane Black man to notice this, and what kind of psycho Black man wouldn’t object to this? But if I tell the obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the White race, liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I’m a Nazi who wants to kill six million Jews. They say they are anti-racist; what they are is anti-White. Anti-racism is just a codeword for anti-White.

That is a whole entire Consistent Message. And I take the memes into bite size in the particular podcasts. But that is basically the Mantra. And I remade it for White Rabbit genocide by taking out, obviously, our race and putting in rabbit holes and White Rabbits.

Greg: Okay, I recognize lots of different parts of that. So obviously you guys are very effective in circulating that out there. I hadn’t heard the whole thing together though.

Let me just raise an objection; let me play devil’s advocate here.

Horus: Sure

Greg: Genocide. Don’t you think that’s a little overly dramatic? Isn’t–

Horus: No, no. We don’t define genocide. International law defines genocide. Right now in Tibet — most people listening have heard of Tibetan genocide — they don’t understand what it was over. When you force—the Chinese flooded Tibet with Chinese and they were trying to force immigrate the Tibetan nomads, that’s labeled genocide.

In Marin County, California, who’s targeted just because they’re White, and I know you guys would be up on this news. For forced integration, assimilation under Federal law, that’s considered progressive policy. These contradictions can only exist as long as we don’t point it out. I don’t have to prove it. I just have to point it out.

The Soviet Union was a “Worker’s Paradise” that had to have guards at the border to keep people from leaving, guards with machine guns. That existed as long as no one stood up and said, “You know what? Why do you have to have a Worker’s Paradise?” And if you are a Worker’s Paradise—well, actually the Consistent Message was: “If you’re a Worker’s Paradise, why do you have to have guards at the border to keep people from leaving?” They were asking simple memes like this, pointing out the contradictions over and over again.

That’s what we’re doing. We don’t define genocide; I would implore anyone that listens to look up genocide, and you’ll see that it covers exactly what’s going on in White countries and all White countries as done to them by the elites.

Greg: That’s really good; that’s well-put. I understand that the UN defines genocide not simply as killing people, but as creating conditions that are inimical to a people’s long-term survival. So genocide can be something slow and subtle and creeping, but if the end of that trend is the extinction of a people then you’re committing genocide even if you might not have bloody hands at all.

Horus: We are using it as a weapon. I don’t know exactly where parties— a Consistent Message does not come out by a professional for no reason, especially someone with Bob’s credentials. So I don’t know where it’s going. I’m just doing my particular job. But a Consistent Message like this is pretty strong language.

We’re accusing someone of very big crimes. People say that, “well, you know, you can’t get busted for that” – Saddam Hussein – when you deal with tribunals and international law it scares the living daylights out of everyone simply because it always catches up with you. Saddam Hussein, it didn’t catch up with him for a series of years, but Saddam Hussein doesn’t get to say the Kurds were just a social construct. They hung him. Point blank.

It has teeth. There’s a lot of fear involved in it. But it’s the truth. We’re just stating the objective truth. And it can exist as long as we’re not pointing out the contradictions. In fact, I have an upcoming animation that deals with this contradiction in a very raw way. Everyone White has been conditioned down two different angles, and we’re slamming these conditions together in an animation that points out that basically diversity and multiculturalism are a big scam. And the scam is that it’s only in White countries and all White countries, and that’s genocide. But we’re going about it a radically different way. It’s just the Mantra in live motion from something that would be very unexpected for most of the audience members that will first see it. We’re doing that right now.

It’s a serious issue. It’s a big deal. And we’re using their own contradictions against them.

Greg: That’s very interesting. Horus, tell us about your background, your education, your profession, and how did you get to become a thought criminal and get involved in all of this stuff?

Horus: [Laughs] Well, I don’t go into my background on the different podcasts, so I’m not going to go into my background here. Even in Endgame Exotica I don’t go into my background. I’ll do that someday. I have no problems with doing it first on Counter-Currents. I don’t have anything to hide, but I’m a rabbit. I’m a character. And in what we’re doing we’re going to keep it that way for the time being.

But obviously I have some knowledge of geopolitics, as anyone who’s listened to the podcast knows. I have some knowledge of geopolitical trends, and I use mainstream news sources to point out things over and over again to the audience to get them out of the current conditioning that all hope is lost.

So obviously I have somewhat of a background in that. Anyone that listens is going to realize that. But I don’t go into personal issues, yet.

Greg: We totally understand that. One of the basic rules I always preach about how this movement is going to function well is if we allow everybody to determine his or her own level of explicitness and involvement, and everybody just has to respect those decisions. And accept that everyone’s got their reasons.

Horus: There’s a great deal of mystery behind the web, behind certain web personalities. For instance, we have a character named Edelheim. We have another famous character named Creator, Iceland Creator. These are powerhouse performers out there. But no one really knows their names. We have several different characters like that across the world, and we are keeping it that way, for now, for a particular reason. We have found that – with propaganda especially, with what we’re doing – there can be a certain advantage to it. And when you have something blow up in your face like we have, there can be a certain advantage.

Now obviously if you went to the Stormfront conference and heard me speak you’d find out my name and everything else. Iit’s not that big of a deal. But for reasons of the internet, I’m a rabbit. [Laughs]

Greg: All right, I totally get that and I respect that.

Mike: I’m curious as to the step-by-step of how you were able to get the podcasts advertised. Did you just recruit people from Stormfront initially—

Horus: I don’t ever, ever, appeal. We don’t ever appeal. That was a failed strategy. We never appeal to other pro-White dissidents. What I did from the beginning is look to attract the audience I want to move our message mainstream. And the way I patterned it is, you know, my audience moved 9/11 truth – whether you like that or not – they moved that mainstream in a period of months. They can do that. They can do that with our message. So I look to attract them with sound, with images, with buzzwords, and I did the same thing. I’m just using websites like Counter-Currents, or Stormfront that are so large, that they just happen to be surfing on them. That’s all I’m doing, I’m using it: they look at a picture and say, “Wow, what’s that White Rabbit? I’ve never seen that before.” They’re listening to the podcasts and are like, “I’ve never heard anything like this before from White Nationalists.” That’s what we want. We want something radically different, a curve ball.

Greg: So do you read people like Savitri Devi or Miguel Serrano, some of the people who fuse White racialism with the kind of larger spiritual, mythical, gnostic worldview?

Horus: I haven’t read Savitri Devi in years. Serrano I’ve read articles and excerpts by him, but I don’t own any of his books now. What I do read, basically because I have to cover alternative news and research, I read a particular character named Dr. Joseph P. Farrell, who’s not what you would think of as a racialist at all. Most of the stuff I read is not racialist. I just try to ferret out what’s going on from a racial perspective.

That’s the type of thing I do. So no, I’m not well-read on any of the current publications or anything going on in that regard. But I do think there’s a huge, huge market for that. Our race tends to think in cosmic, mystical terms – or at least a huge portion of it does – so I think there’s a big attraction to that.

Greg: I think it’s very valid to try and fuse practical politics with that kind of larger, mythological, mythical, allegorical perspective, for the reason that you give: that White people are imaginative, and if you don’t capture White people’s imaginations, you’re not going to motivate them to act. And so I’ve always been very critical of the so-called “mainstreamers” who think that you basically have to have a purely political message and not say anything that’s wild or kind of crazy.

Horus: Well, we found that that failed.

Greg: Yeah.

Horus: [Laughs] We tried that, it failed. So that’s why I did this approach, I did something radically different. But I think it’s important to understand that when you have media dominance, sometimes your particular piece should go toward getting your audience to ask a different question or look at a question a different way, instead of just trying to pour information.

One of the challenges with pro-White dissents, or any type of dissent group, is they tend to want to give their whole entire message out immediately. And that’s fine if you never get a chance to speak. But if you have media dominance online, you can do a lot of things. In fact, in our first animation we don’t do anything like name our enemy. Most of the characters you see are non-White and White. We’re doing an interplay, but what we’re going to get the audience to do by watching it, they’re going to be asking questions.

When you have media dominance, someone can look who’s behind multiculturalism, who’s behind egalitarianism. You Google that, immediately you’re going to find our stuff. It may not be my stuff or your stuff, but they’re going to find Dr. David Duke eventually. We don’t have to insult an audience. We have such media power that you don’t have to say everything; you can get very creative, using a lot of different things, a lot of different techniques that could be employed that aren’t being deployed. Simply because we are acting like we don’t have a platform to speak. You have on the internet some of the most dominant websites on the internet: Stormfront is huge.

What you have to do is start segmenting and trying to get creative in getting them to ask the right questions and not giving them all the answers up front. Not giving them everything upfront. One of the great things about a Consistent Message is it moves you from the defensive to the offensive. We’ve found that our race doesn’t respond to anything defensive: they want it loud, they want fast, they want aggressive. And that can only be done with some type of offense. And this system, it’s done with some type of message. Some type of core message that attacks. They want simple things at first.

Our enemy does this very well. They don’t walk in and just start brainwashing White kids. That wasn’t all they did. They did something very, very simple every time they did their brainwashing and guilt-tripping. They said, “If you see anyone, anyone acting intolerant” – one of their big buzzwords – “that doesn’t like multiculturalism, all you do is yell, ‘RAAAAACIST.’” They did that. And most of the crowd wouldn’t do it. But one kid in the room will do it. Well, we’re looking for that one kid willing to stand up on a message and just hammer them. And we’re getting them. We’re getting them.

That’s what we’re looking to do. We’re looking basically to almost undo what they’ve done.

Greg: We’re trying to get our website and our particular message out there. We want to make progress; we want to attract listeners, readers, donors, and so forth. What would you recommend that Counter-Currents do?

Horus: Well, I think the genius of publishing that isn’t listened to, as someone that has done a lot of mainstream publishing – under his own name he’s only done a few books, but under other names he’s done a lot of ghost-writing for parties out of Washington – is Bob Whitaker. If you look at Bob’s Underground Graduate Seminar, you look at WhitakerOnline.org and go to the blog, you see that every piece is short: very, very short. He doesn’t believe that book sales will work the same way it did in the past. And so he has a lot of very good opinions about that.

I’m not a publisher, and I don’t practice the art of writing in a conventional sense. I’m geared, from listening to Bob’s advice, to only writing scripts, which I don’t have a background in. It’s something we’re learning.

And of course, there’s very few places to learn because everything Hollywood does is unacceptable to me. [Laughs]

But we’re geared for short, fast, aggressive. He believes that’s the future; he doesn’t think that’s going to change. And I guess there’s a great deal to learn from that because it seems to be working.

Mike: I think there’s a huge untapped potential in video creation. You talked about what you’re doing with animation, and I also noticed on your website the featured video on White genocide: I watched that, and it struck me at first as kind of silly and what not, but it stuck in my head.

 

Horus: That is the Mantra put to pop music. Now I thought that song was very irritating when I first heard it, but you got to understand that I have a whole section of my audience that’s well under 30, and that was done by someone, I’m guessing he is not 23 years old. I only know him as Johnny White Rabbit, that’s all I care about. Now, I don’t do any of that, it just comes to my mailbox and I’m always shocked and stunned. But it’s good!

They’ve taken that off YouTube so many times — I don’t know what the reasons are — and we just keep putting it back up. It’s got thousands upon thousands of views, and then they take it down and we put it back up. We have several different distribution channels to play this game with them.

We have several different videos like that. It’s very good. It’s not necessarily the type of music I would necessarily turn to on the radio station, but I got a lot of listeners who think it’s catchy. So we’ll go with it.

Greg: It’s insidiously catchy.

Horus: Yeah, it’s is. [Laughs]

Greg: The way every good pop song is.

Horus: This is the type of thing that drives our enemy nuts. They can’t really do anything about it. It’s just smacking them in the face over and over again with a Consistent Message. Because if you lose control of the message in any of our societies — in any society built by White people, it doesn’t matter if it’s a dictatorship – if you lose control of the message, you lose everything. That’s what we’ve seen. Our race was never, ever lost with a gunfight or anything like that. It was lost because we lost control of the message. And what we’re doing at Bob’s Underground Graduate Seminar at WhitakerOnline.org and WhiteRabbitRadio.net is simply a study in regaining control of the message.

And that happens culture-wide.

Mike: I’ve seen, too, that humor has a tendency to drop people’s guard against receiving a message. And I wonder if there has been any attempt to do that in your podcasts

Horus: Yeah. It’s very fast-moving; it’s very humor-oriented; we make fun of the enemy all the time. In the first animation, it’s really making fun of the left-wing. It’s really embarrassing; from the scenes I’ve seen. It comes out as good as it should. They won’t like it. It’s really uncomfortable. It’s really uncomfortable, in fact it’ll probably be controversial . . . maybe even to some White Nationalists that won’t understand what we’re doing at first. [Laughs]

But yeah, we’re making fun of an enemy. And making fun of an enemy – they can’t handle that. They want to be taken so seriously. And they’re just plain silly. They’re genocidal freaks, basically.

Greg: Horus, tell me, what do you think the endgame is? What are your goals? What are you trying to do?

Horus: My job was just to get out a message and I will continue doing that by any means necessary. Legally, of course.

Now, once every White kid in Western Civilization hears the message, we’ll come up with some different ideals. I don’t really worry about that. I just worry about my own little particular function. And many believe that’s why it’s been so successful. I don’t get involved in all that. I figure some brilliant White Nationalist will have some total dynamic plan for the universe or something. [Laughs]

I don’t worry about all that. I just worry about getting out a message. So I don’t have one. I’m not worried about developing one.

I know our enemies are preparing to go for their New World Order, the vaunted New World Order. I used to think this type of thing was a black-helicopter-conspiracy-joker’s type thing. They’re getting ready to go for something quite big, and I think they’re going to fall on their face. And we’re at the foreground of fighting it with the Consistent Message, which is the only game going right now in this particular society. And actually, as the planet is geared: if you’re looking to fight the system in China you’re going to have to do so with propaganda and a Consistent Message in some way, with the internet. So we’re not doing anything different than anyone else in some other society, we‘re just doing it from a different perspective.

But the New World Order always goes toward White Rabbit genocide. It always goes to our death, whether it’s by some perverted means or not, you know. What they’re trying to, obviously, is create a blended humanity in only White countries, which is kind of odd. [Laughs] It’s kind of exotic. But that’s what they’ve been geared up to try to do.

Well, the whole entire intentions of our enemies? I get into speculation on that in Horus the Avenger’s Follow the White Rabbit answering questions. I don’t really know that. Like I say in the “About,” it’s a very exotic thing. The Emperor of China doesn’t try to create a blended humanity in only China. He might whack some Chinese. But that’s a very exotic thing. We have a very interesting enemy, who’s basically trying to create a blended humanity.

I mean, every position they argue always leads us to a world without any White people. Or White people get blended out of existence, which is the same thing. Every policy they’ve put in place in the past 50-70 years would lead to a world without any White people, but no one ever really calls them out on that. That’s genocide.

Greg: Right. Who else besides Bob Whitaker on the scene today, in your opinion, is worth following? When you around the internet on your daily blog search, who are you reading?

Horus: I got a podcast to put out all the time these days, so I’m doing mainstream news sources and looking at the news from a radically different perspective. I was just on the David Duke show on Rense Radio, and I’ve been on there now I think four times. David is very, very well-read, very much out there. Bob is pretty much the first go-to. Amren if I’m interested in what’s going on as far as actual, real news of what’s going on, like this big crime, this big dilemma going on in Florida between this half-Hispanic/half-White shooter and this Black kid. I’ll go to Amren to find out the truth on that.

I basically just go down my blogroll, if you can believe that. Occidental Dissent. I should have Counter-Currents on there now . . .  I have a whole row down my blogroll I go to once a week.

Incogman.net always has some funny, humorous articles about the Jews. You can go down my blogroll at WhiteRabbitRadio.net and see all the different things I read. I peruse them all the time. The Political Cesspool has an interesting blog . . . that’s basically it for the explicit White side of the equation. But there’s a whole list on my blogroll and I go down them at least once a week.

Greg: That’s great. I’ll definitely check that out. I’m always looking for new sources of information.

Mike: You said earlier that you were able to place an ad on Rense.com. How difficult was that?

Horus: Very difficult. What I did was something radically different than what most would do: I hired a public relations firm. [Laughs]

I didn’t hire them directly. I just said I’m a fast-growing website, and I got a hold of a few that handle internet advertising, and I wanted advice on how to get through to the alternative news and research sites because the ads are expensive, and they don’t take just any inquiry seriously for some reason.

And so basically one particular individual picked up and said “we’ll take it for free and place your particular ads where you want them.” And they tried several different websites that said, “No way.” [Laughs]

But Rense said – and Rense has always been at the foreground of anti-Zionism – and they liked that Pink Rabbit. If you go to RenseRadio.com you’re going to see a blinking Pink Rabbit, it says “Down with Pink Rabbit” and it links to my site.

We also have rotationals on Rense.com directly, and we’re on a waiting list for other ads on Rense.com.

But basically we went through a third party that deals with Rense. And they got it on there, and they haven’t had a problem with it. Obviously, the site is controversial. We’re taking basically—if you look at our t-shirt, you’re looking at the stuff we’re doing — we’re taking something that almost looks mainstream and attaching it to a very radical message.

Mike: How expensive was it, in the end, for all this?

Horus: It’s expensive. Rotational ads aren’t that bad: $850 maybe for four months, and we cut a better deal than that. Direct ads can start at $500 a month. Direct hardlinks like on Rense Radio can go all the way up to $8,000-10,000 a month, but the ads definitely work.

We also have ads on Don and Derek Black’s radio show. We’re going to have a direct link ad on the front of Stormfront. We have an ad on Incogman.net, which isn’t all that expensive: he gave us a very good deal. We’ve looked on any avenue that will let us put up on ad and we pay for them.

As long as it’s a good deal based on the price, based on the traffic. Most of our new traffic is not coming from White Nationalism – only about half. Most of our new subscribers are coming directly from alternative news and research, which is where we want to be. Infowars.com is the famous Alex Jones site [Laughs] – they wouldn’t talk to us. They won’t let us anywhere near their stuff. But you know, it’s just hit or miss. You got to try.

Mike: What’s your next project that you’re working on. You mentioned animation?

Horus: We have a huge, somewhere around ten-minute, animation with original music coming out. It’s going to be a shocker. It’s very mainstream, but it’s going to evoke questions in the average White viewer. It’s reality-based – most of the stuff I deal with on WhiteRabbitRadio.net is all fantasy based – but this is a reality-based animation. I have ideas for fantasy-based and reality-based; this is reality-based. It is a big production. It’s going to be very over the top, and it’ll be coming to my website probably sometime after Easter. Right now, it’s in the animation stage. All the scripts are done, basically, the sound part is recorded and everything. We are in the animation stage. It’s just very, very time-consuming. Animation is a lot of work, actually.

It has the potential to be a blockbuster, basically. We’ve got all our different channels ready to carry it.

It’s going to evoke a response — no doubt about that – from the audience. We’re basically taking two major lines of programing. Everyone White on this planet has been programed to believe one thing; we don’t fight it. And they’ve also experienced something, implicitly, in their life. They’ve experienced some type of programing. And we take these two things that aren’t connected and connect them, violently.

It’s very over the top, and it’s based on historical facts: a fact of history that our enemy always deals with. You’ll have to see it.

That’s our first production. Our second production is on Israel, which will be even more controversial. But that’s what we’re doing.

Mike: I’m curious to your thoughts on the success of the Kony 2012 video.

Horus: Well, what’s going on among the Anglo-American elite — Jew and Gentile alike – when I talk about them I’m talking about the English-speaking world: they basically control the English-speaking world, and they have inroads in Belgium and Germany and obviously they’re at war with Russia on any given morning. But there’s a big problem: China’s taking over Africa. And so Africom is there; they have “al-Qaeda” moving into Africa; and they brought out this huge propaganda piece, Kony 2012, because they want to put more Marines on the ground. There’s Marines on the ground in Africa; they want to keep inserting them.

There’s a problem with China. Our enemy at the top is trying to pull some moves on China, they’re trying to cut off their natural resources, and their big line to natural resources is obviously Africa. If they don’t want to take whole parts of Africa by themselves.

But Kony 2012 is a propaganda attempt to justify putting more and more troops on the ground in Africa and Africom. And it’s a pretty good propaganda attempt. The problem is, when it comes to alternative news and research, when it comes to the different media, everyone’s become so skeptical they know there’s an agenda here. They don’t buy into it all. So it’s kind of interesting.

But that’s what’s going on in my mind. To my listeners, that’s my opinion. It’s a brilliant piece of propaganda because it has so many hits. But there are some interesting parties and moves behind it. It has something to do with China in Africa, and the Anglo-American elite, Jew and Gentile alike: moves against China in Africa. And they’re using al-Qaeda and Kony 2012 as a cover for getting more and more military there. You know there’s always a big problem in Africa you could do some big heartrending film on.

Greg: Well I think that pretty much covers it. Horus, thank you very much for being with us and answering some questions. What’s that URL again?

Horus: WhiteRabbitRadio.net

Greg: Thank you very much.

Horus: Thank you for having me on the show.

 

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32 Comments

  1. Posted March 24, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of advertisting outlets, you might want to encourage Horus to try advertising on Michael Collins Piper’s newly restored show on RBN. John Stadtmiller, the owner of RBN is always eager to attract new advertisers, and although Piper’s show doesn’t air on any of the pirate radio outlets, Mike Piper & Rick Adams always gets a lot of downloads. Piper is explicit in discussing Jewish Power/

    American Free Press is another outlet, but I’m not sure that print subscribers fit his target demographic.

    • Posted March 25, 2012 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

      Thank you Charles! I will contact RBN.

  2. Jaego Scorzne
    Posted March 24, 2012 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Very valuable work and let’s take it off line too. First step: memorize it like it was the Apostle’s Creed. And then practice taking pieces out and using it to make points in conversation. I mean you can’t just recite it like a Moonie to people in casual conversation. It is well put together and it does lend itself to be used as a one or two sentence punch.

  3. rhondda
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Well, he is right. I have great hope for our young people. They are not stupid. I was informed by my son that he and his brother’s generation were the ones who would change things. They just need to find the foundation in white civilization. They will.

    I know people who are getting radicalized thru David Icke. He has his reptilian metaphor, but when you go to his site, it is all about the elite and now he is doing anti-zionist stuff. He seems to be trying to link radical left and right. His message is wake up people. He is not specifically pro-white, but nevertheless getting people to think is good. It is a strange sort of phenomenon.
    Here in Canada, the government tried to put through this internet censorship. There was a huge internet response and the gov’t has backed down for now. Young people are the de facto owners of the internet. They know when they are being used and are not afraid to say so.
    There was an interesting event in Edmonton Alberta this weekend. Some people tried to have a white pride rally. The anti-racists came out and the police had to protect the white priders. They became the underdogs and Canadians are notoriously famous for routing for the underdog. ( in a lovely polite sort of way). The anti-racists looked the aggressors and the violent ones, not the white priders which is the usual meme. When events contradict one’s values, people start looking for answers and asking questions.
    Interesting times. I am rather ashamed though that that stupid slut walk started in Canada. But that is Toronto for you. Nobody likes Toronto, especially their factory brain-dead universities.

    • Jason Speaks
      Posted March 26, 2012 at 12:23 am | Permalink

      But just what kind of people are getting radicalized via Icke? If they believe in reptile people, they are more likely to be an embarrassment than a benefit. And all this “secret elite controlling the world” stuff has been around for generations – except I believe it was more intelligently and plausibly discussed 50 years ago. Now, it is on the verge of becoming ghost stories.

  4. Armor
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    “the featured video on White genocide: I watched that, and it struck me at first as kind of silly”

    To see it in France, you have to use a proxy service like hidemyass. Else you get the annoying message: “This video is not available in your country”. Censorship!

  5. Crowley
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Horus, Is there actual evidence that Kony2012 is a CIA propaganda effort? Seems the guy who created K.2012 was a bit unstable. Why would the CIA use such a type? He couldn’t be trusted so he would need to be an unknowing pawn in the scheme. I don’t see how that works. Why can’t he just be what he purports to be, in other words some white “progressive” xenophiliac who happened to create a viral video?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 25, 2012 at 11:47 am | Permalink

      I agree. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

      • Posted March 25, 2012 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

        Based on where we are on the calendar. And based on every thing going on with Africom. I just don’t believe he accidentally stumbled into this viral video. Even IF it is all just a coincidence. I don’t buy it.

        Yes, USAid is linked the CIA. And Yes, USAid is linked to Africom as well. However, you could argue for the moment that the Kony2012 video maker’s links to USAid have not been totally proven. USAid just happened to be pushing the Kony2012 video down every avenue from the first day.

        I just got an email about this issue asking me what I thought of the Alex Jones piece on this issue. I don’t particular care for Jones. But sometimes he asks a few good questions.

        http://www.infowars.com/kony-2012-hoax-exposed/

  6. Gregor
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    While it’s important to understand The Mantra and its underlying logic and power, it’s also not always possible to USE it in its complete “long form” in all situations.

    No problem! Some people have created an elaborate list of “Mini-Mantras” which are tuned to specific situations and comments you may want to address. Here are two links that lead to these “minis”. Just clip and paste into a text file, and keep on hand on your desktop, ready for use whenever and wherever you sniff out an anti-White schpieling away their message of White Genocide … coded as “diversity”, “anti-racism”, or whatever else they come up with.

    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/mini-mantras/

    http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/mini-mantras-ii/

    The latter link has many of the same “minis” listed, but is organized in a way that makes it easier to use. Minis are categorized based on how the anti-White is attacking (read: lying).

  7. Posted March 25, 2012 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    I know that Horus means well, but it sounds like he is trying to be evasive rather than naming our enemies up front. This is not a game, but a life and death struggle. We need to be serious. His approach seems a little bit frivolous to me.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted March 25, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

      THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?

      Heinrich in blockquote:

      I know that Horus means well, but it sounds like he is trying to be evasive rather than naming our enemies up front. This is not a game, but a life and death struggle. We need to be serious. His approach seems a little bit frivolous to me.

      Horus is doing this in a very clever manner. Soft mockery, exposing the contradictions and hypocritical positions in your opponent’s positions, leave lasting and very effective politically impressions. This is what took Rush Limbaugh from another CONservative talk show host to number one.

      Direct, head-on attacks on “the Jews” have done us little good, if any. This is for two reasons, one very obvious, the other more subtle.

      The obvious reason is screaming idiots shouting about “the Jews” simply engage in description, and not prescription. This is not as much as an accident as you might suspect. As Peter Shank said, “Suppose every one you are opposed to went away tomorrow morning. Just vanished from the face of the Earth. What would you do then? Why aren’t you doing that now?”

      The more reason subtle pulls of Peter’s astute question. The fact is, when you simply blame “the Jews” for everything, you give them all of the power in the world, and deny your duty to be effective in developing more effective systems, and better solutions.

      THAT is where Harold Covington comes in. No matter what “the Jews” are doing to us, if we choose to do NOTHING about it – keep going into debt to buy things we don’t need, for example – we become softly complicit co-conspirators in our own demise.

      Defining all issues in the framework of s White Homeland, a Northwest Republic, frees you from the self-selected impotence that has been the hallmark of so many self-proclaimed “White Nationalists.”

      What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!

    • Gregor
      Posted March 25, 2012 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

      @Heinrich:

      It’s rather apparent that you didn’t LISTEN carefully to what Horus said. This whole podcast was about nothing if not about WHY he doesn’t “name our enemies up front” —

      Do not pass GO, do not collect $200, but DO re-listen with your noggin in gear.

  8. Gregor
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    “… Infowars.com is the famous Alex Jones site [Laughs] – they wouldn’t talk to us. They won’t let us anywhere near their stuff. …”

    Fancy THAT. Could it have anything to do with the fact that almost ALL of Jones’ advertisers are Tribe?

  9. Verlis
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Well I think that pretty much covers it.

    Timely exit. Horus imparts valuable practical advice but it’s probably best not to probe too deeply into his thoughts on geopolitics.

    Also, Horus defends some of his, let us say, ‘kookier’ presentation themes by claiming they are demanded by his audience, but the question that came to my mind was why target the UFO crowd in the first place? Does racialism really enjoy such a surfeit of credibility that it can afford to have its best ideas associated with UFO chasers?

    One more thing, I’m skeptical of just how much of a ‘genius’ Whitaker really is. I’ve seen him argue against miscegenation on SF on the grounds that it’s not good for the kids who have “live with it” [ie live with being non-white]. To whom is this line of argument supposed to appeal? Whites who value their racial existence are not at risk of mixing. Whites who are either aracial or anti-racist are usually convinced that WNs are superficial people who hate others ‘just for the color of their skin,’ so affirming the correctness of their existing views seems an unlikely way to change their minds.

    • Posted March 25, 2012 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

      As stated, I was asked to do the podcast because Bob had been to the Conferences. He had tried to get the Stormfronters on a Consistent Message and failed. No use me trying to speak to the same audience in the same way. I just targeted a demographic. That demographic is simply AltNews and White. AltNews is a lot more than just UFOs these days. And they took 9/11 truth mainstream in less than 6 months. So I figured they could do the same with our message if someone approached them. Basically, if the race realists Bob had talked to had jumped on message, I would not be doing the podcast.

      Altnernative News consists of anything that is not accepted as a mainstream explanation. Which is a rather broad category of topics. Probably why AltNews websites are so large. My listeners from that category consider Race Realism to be an Alternative Explanation on Race…..as compared to the “modern textbook” theory ….that race does not exist. They would throw you in the same category as themselves. Probably why someone like Dr David Duke is allowed to host a show on Rense Radio. And his show is now number 2 on the network. So it can be a good fit.

      • Jason Speaks
        Posted March 26, 2012 at 12:34 am | Permalink

        Very good advice on practical politics and good show. However, I agree with others that most of the UFO people are worse than zero. They are really kooks – now maybe you can make use of them and not be tarred by it, I don’t know, but it seems really dicey. As for the victory of taking 9/11 Truth – I would say it has been a giant distraction that did nothing to promote white interests and actually made us all spend hours chasing loony theories that discredit us.

      • Trainspotter
        Posted March 26, 2012 at 1:52 am | Permalink

        Horus: “My listeners from that category consider Race Realism to be an Alternative Explanation on Race…..as compared to the “modern textbook” theory ….that race does not exist. They would throw you in the same category as themselves. Probably why someone like Dr David Duke is allowed to host a show on Rense Radio. And his show is now number 2 on the network. So it can be a good fit.”

        Fascinating, and even more so about Duke’s ranking. I think you might well be onto something, Horus, and it’s definitely worth a try. While not being into the Rense sort of thing myself, I’ll have to say perceptions and taboos are changing. For example, it wasn’t all that long ago that getting dates from the internet was considered flaky. Now it’s the norm. I think it also may be that the alternative media, while by definition not the norm, is losing a lot of its former stigma. In any event, that sort of audience has demonstrated at least some capacity for operating outside of the box.

        Even if the audience that you are currently targeting doesn’t work out, the main thing is developing the skills to bring people on board, keep them on message and focused on a given task. Once the skill is aquired, messages and even audiences can be changed as need and opportunity arise.

        In any event, the proof is in the pudding, and I’ve been seeing the mantra pop up all over the net, not just on “our” sites. I also love the discipline of rooting out damaging lingo. For example, our enemies aren’t anti-fascist. Why call them that? They are anti-white.

        A true revolutionary movement must build a deep and solid philosophical foundation that provides an unshakeable worldview, and sites like Counter-Currents are vital to that endeavor. The quality of our intellectual sites has never been better, which is good, because they have a daunting task in front of them.

        But the next stage (which doesn’t lessen the importance of the first) is to reach a broader range of people and get them on message, and the pioneering work you guys are doing in that regard is fascinating. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. Couldn’t resist.

      • Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

        “As for the victory of taking 9/11 Truth – I would say it has been a giant distraction that did nothing to promote white interests and actually made us all spend hours chasing loony theories that discredit us.”

        Jason Speaks misses the point. The vast majority of Americans do not buy the official line for 9/11. And this has nothing to do with the mainstream media. And everything to do with the Alternative News Sites. That is power. And this whole episode did not discredit anything other than the official story from the lame stream media. Leading to more and more White people who distrust the current system.

  10. Lew
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    I was skeptical of the Mantra until I saw some young Whites thrash some anti-Whites in a live debate. It was on a gamer forum with a huge audience (my nephew sent me there to look at something, and I happened on the thread which the mods later pulled by accident).

    In the right context, dis-aggregating the Mantra into discrete talking points and combining them with mockery and contempt for the enemy works very well. I do it myself often, just not on White sites where the Mantra is out of place (IMO).

    Horus’s attempt to push White ideas into discursive spaces filled with people while not nationalists still embrace non-mainstream ideas is an intriguing approach, too. Whatever anyone may think of them, it’s true that Web sites like Rense and Godlike productions have huge White audiences who don’t accept the official view of things on at least some issues.

    • Daybreaker
      Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:50 am | Permalink

      Lew: “I was skeptical of the Mantra until I saw some young Whites thrash some anti-Whites in a live debate. It was on a gamer forum with a huge audience (my nephew sent me there to look at something, and I happened on the thread which the mods later pulled by accident).”

      That’s what I like to hear!

      Elaborate intellectual constructs are the armor of Saul for a lot of people. Simplicity that works is best.

  11. Crowley
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    There was a time when I sat down and listened to probably 20 White Rabbit casts. I thought they were very clever. The problem with me is I am a reader, not so much a listener. But I know such isn’t the case with the majority of people. So more power to Horus.

  12. Johnnie Appleseeds
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    One thing that continuously bothers me is that those who support white preservationism seem to be only bothered by what they perceive to be a numerical decline in the Caucasian population. There’s not enough emphasis put on preserving the institutions which produce the higher types, great art, and distinction.

    My point is, there is a divide between those on stormfront and the more intellectual types on this site … I understand we need to work in unison and build a coalition, but at certain point some of the less intelligent WNs need to be subordinated as puppets to the greater cause.

    • Daybreaker
      Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:11 am | Permalink

      Johnnie Appleseeds: “I understand we need to work in unison and build a coalition, but at certain point some of the less intelligent WNs need to be subordinated as puppets to the greater cause.”

      Begin by subordinating yourself as a puppet to the greater cause.

  13. Henry
    Posted March 25, 2012 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to hearing what they have to say about the Hyksos.

    Revilo P. Oliver thought the Hyksos might have been led the Tribe in the assault on Egypt.

    • White Republican
      Posted March 25, 2012 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

      Revilo P. Oliver briefly discussed the Hyksos in The Enemy of Our Enemies:

      “What happened was that Asiatics, most or all of whom bore Semitic names and came from the region in Asia Minor that is now called Palestine, by gradual immigration across the Sinai peninsula infiltrated Egypt and used, consciously or instinctively, the techniques of subversion, inciting or exacerbating class-warfare, regional differences, and the greed or ambition of discontented Egyptians until the nation was reduced to a revolutionary chaos, fragmented under numerous local rulers, many of whom were native Egyptian puppets, and then again consolidated under Semitic overlords to whom the various provinces paid tribute. The Asiatics ruled Egypt for more than a century until a native tributary dared to revolt, and the Egyptians called their Semitic masters, whom many Egyptians revered willingly and for profit, their ‘alien rulers’ . . . So much is now certain, although many details remain obscure, and we note the irony that Yockey, by a few years, missed an historical determination that would have been of the utmost value in the formulation of his own theory — the first clear example of conquest by immigration and subversion.”

    • Gregor
      Posted March 26, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

      Henry: Guess what? You took the bait!

      This is exactly why Horus does things the way he does. Some of this “mythological” stuff is both fascinating and possibly related to real history, the kind that’s never taught in schools.

      You’ll probably have to ante up $9.99/month to hear about the Hyksos, in those “Endgame Exotica” podcasts that come out several times a week. Hey, Horus puts out fun stuff, “believe it or not”, as they say. He needs $$ to keep the candied carrots rolling out to all the hungry little white rabbits.

      • Henry
        Posted March 26, 2012 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

        “Henry: Guess what? You took the bait!…..You’ll probably have to ante up $9.99/month to hear about the Hyksos…”

        Hmm….Not so fast my leporidic friend cos I heard it pitched as something different:

        Horus: “Horus the Avenger is pre-dynastic Egypt. And at the time I was asked to do it, it was really just off the top of my head. At the time I was asked to do it I was reading all about the Hyksos in Egypt. Our enemy has a big connection to the Hyksos; that’s another podcast for Counter-Currents.

        Gregor, I’m looking forward to hearing that podcast as described: here on Counter-Currents….Gratis!

        But seriously, I hope you enjoy great success with your project..

  14. White Republican
    Posted March 26, 2012 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    I wonder if there’s an echo of Fight Club in Greg Johnson’s comment: “One of the basic rules I always preach about how this movement is going to function well is if we allow everybody to determine his or her own level of explicitness and involvement, and everybody just has to respect those decisions. And accept that everyone’s got their reasons.”

    So far as it goes, this principle is sound enough, for involvement and engagement is ultimately voluntary. Forcing people to do things doesn’t work effectively. Although some measure of discipline is necessary, the degree to which it is exercised is very much a matter of context, and it must be regarded as legitimate to be accepted. Discipline should increase with activity and responsibility. Discipline should ideally be more a matter of self-discipline rather than external discipline, a matter of taking a task seriously and applying oneself to it.

    But, like most principles, this principle is inadequate by itself. The culture of White nationalism needs to be, to use Julius Evola’s term, anagogical. It needs to lead people onwards and upwards. It needs to promote a high average level of activism. It needs to give people confidence in themselves. It needs to give people confidence in their colleagues. It needs to give people work which is productive and appropriate for their abilities. It needs to give people role models which they can emulate. It needs to favor healthy ambition and competition. It needs to appeal to those motives which can make people good leaders, fighters, and workers (e.g. the arete of the ancient Greeks, the will to power of Friedrich Nietzsche, and the instinct of workmanship of Thorstein Veblen). And it needs to do many other things to end the era of stagnation.

  15. Fourmyle of Ceres
    Posted March 28, 2012 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?

    Jim from Savannah in blockquote, cites in italics:
    F of C: “Suppose every one you are opposed to went away tomorrow morning. Just vanished from the face of the Earth. What would you do then? Why aren’t you doing that now?”

    Because you cannot realistically “do now” while the country is buried in hate crime laws. Because you cannot realistically “do now” while the Chosen control the entire media infrastructure, much of the government, law enforcement, and the military.

    There are so many things you can do that it boggles the Mind. For instance, you can send money to counter-currents. If you are so concerned about being identified as having done this, they will accept cash. Gladly. NOTHING stops you from doing this.

    You could start home Bible studies, basing your analysis on the Anointed Translation used by the people at christianseparatist.org. You could learn a skill that could help you gain employment in a Northwest Republic. You could start, say, a small cooperative, or a day care center, or so many things. You could lead a Scout troop – the Spiral Scouts offer an alternative worth looking into, if certain proclivities of the Scouts of America bother you. You could investigate Pagan religious orders. You could also send money to the Northwest Front.

    No one is stopping you from doing any of these things.

    To prove it, just try to “do now” by driving to the SuperMax prison and releasing Matt Hale. What’s that? You mean you can’t do that now? That’s right – you’re going to have to wait. So trying to “do now” is just a prescription for Federal prison. The truth is, we’re all going to have to “do later” when it comes to so many things.

    That is the sort of fantastical thinking that holds back White Nationalist organization.

    Of ALL possible things you could CHOOSE to do, you CHOSE something that you would never have to be responsible to do. Ever. Why is that? It’s because you never have to be responsible.

    Anything stopping you from sending money to counter-currents? Tonight? THAT is making a difference. Childish fantasies about breaking someone out of a SuperMax prison are dreaming of something that is illegal, as well as impossible.

    Tell you what. I’ve heard of these guys drive around in a black van with a distinctive supergraphic on the side. Yet, these brave men in that van are wanted Federal fugitives, on the run from the best intelligence system in the history of the world. Yes, they are rather distinctive looking. One of them is a gentleman of Color, wearing lots of gold chains around his neck, with a distinctive Mohawk style haircut. He and his friends are rather distinctive looking for Federal fugitives, but if you really need them, and if you can find them, you can hire…

    The A-Team. (cue Intro MUSIC on three, two…)

    What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!

  16. Daybreaker
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    This was a revelation to me. I think this is the right way to go. Thanks!

    I strongly believe we must engage the White mythic imagination, and this is the way to do it. (It sure works for me!)

    I support the idea of consistent messaging, since it’s also truthful messaging. (That is, I believe this, and I think other people who adopt the mantra will also do it because they believe what they are saying and not only for tactical advantage.)

    If a million little hammers each strike a tiny blow on the same valid target, it’s a mighty blow. If we each decide on a different target (one that’s just as good as the suggested one because we’re smart, but no better because these weaknesses in the official story are so glaring that you can’t do much better than just to keep pounding them), then it’s no more effective than trying to punch a hole in a suit of armor than by throwing buckets of sand at it.

    For too long we’ve been like the Greeks in the Siege of Syracuse.

    The city was protected by inventions invented by the genius Archimedes, including the Claw of Archemides and according to legend a giant mirror heat ray. The Greeks were successful for month after month, they got overconfident, and they got sloppy. The Romans had the initiative all the way, they kept plugging away with devices and methods that didn’t call for any genius but that fit a pattern that worked for them, and ultimately they won. That’s often the way of war.

    For the sake of our future we need to be humble and become the guys who fight to a consistent and reasonable pattern, and let the other guys take a turn being the super-genius beautiful losers of memetic military history.

    In the phalanx, even Socrates only did what the other hoplites did, because there was nothing better to do.

  17. Daybreaker
    Posted March 29, 2012 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Maximus: “Name the Jew.

    Anything less makes the whole issue just a game.”

    I don’t agree. Often “naming the Jew” is nothing but counterproductive.

    I’m a big fan of Kevin MacDonald’s books. But I wasn’t always. It took a long time for me to learn enough to even find a “Jewish question” comprehensible rather than just proof that a person who “named the Jew” was obviously a hater and a Nazi. You have to give people the necessary context first. And it has to be simple and fundamental enough that they understand it. It is hard for people to take in a new context that doesn’t fit together with anything else that they regard as “received opinion,” and that is alien and taboo for them.

    Down with Pink Rabbits!

    The enemy of all Rabbits…….especially the White Rabbits! The nasty and infamous Pink Rabbits. Pink Rabbits are rabbits that look like us and have no loyalty to us. They are essential deceptive little devils. The most vile of this group are the Pink Rabbit Banksters and Elitesters.

    This is true, useful, simple, fundamental, and vivid and therefore easy to remember, which means it might stick in your mind till some later time when you start to think, “hey, that crazy rabbit talk matches what I’m seeing.”

    I like the functional definition of the Pink Rabbits.

    Yes it means completely implacable hard left multiculturalists are Pink Rabbits even if they have impeccably White genes. But that’s true. They are enemies. Not the worst ones, with the staying power that only comes with having strategy support your genetic and cultural interests rather than undermining them. And not the ones that are super-effective because of their wealth, talent and position, including in-group positions. But they are enemies, and so there in nothing wrong with defining the Pink Rabbits this way.

    And then later when you’ve internalized the problem of the rabbits that look like us and have no loyalty to us, that are deceptive and running strategies that are bad for us, more information, like that presented by Kevin MacDonald, becomes comprehensible. You already have a sense of “us” and “not-us” from the White and Pink Rabbits (without which it’s really hard to follow what Kevin MacDonald is saying about the rough edge of a group evolutionary strategy). You can see why it’s an issue that Jews act like X, because you’re familiar with X and why it’s a negative pattern. And better yet, you are likely not to get lost in the fantasy of Jews as the source of all evil and the omnipotent pullers of all strings that sometimes sends people who obsess over the Jewish question around the bend.

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