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The Ancient Greeks:
Our Fashy Forefathers

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Nigel Rodgers
The Complete Illustrated Encyclopedia of Ancient Greece
Lorenz Books, 2014

“Western civilization” is certainly not fashionable in mainstream academia these days. Nonetheless, the ancient Greek and Roman heritage remains quietly revered in the more thoughtful and earnest circles. Quite simply, virtually all of our social and political organization, to the extent these are thought out, ultimately go back to Greek forms, reflected in the invariably Greek words for them (“philosophy,” “economy,” “democracy” . . .). Those who still have that instinctive pride of being European or Western always go back to the Greeks, to find the means of being worthy of that pride.

Thus I came to the Illustrated Encyclopedia produced by Nigel Rodgers. Life is short, and lots of glossy pictures certainly do help one get the gist of something. Rodgers does not limit himself to pictures of ancient Greek art, though that of course forms the bulk. There are also photos of the sites today, to better imagine the scene, and many paintings from later epochs imagining Greek scenes, the better show Greece’s powerful influence throughout Western history. The Encyclopedia is divided into two parts: First a detailed chronological history of the Greek world, second a thematic history showing different facets of Greek life.

The ancient Greeks are more than strange beings so far as post-60s “liberal democracy” is concerned. Certainly, the Greeks had that egalitarian and individualist sensitivity that Westerners are so known for.

Many Greek cities imagined that their legendary founders had equally distributed land among all citizens. As inequality and wealth concentration gradually rose over time, advocates of redistribution would cite these founding myths. (Rising inequality and revolutionary equality seems to be a recurring cycle in human history.)

Famously, Athens and various other Greek cities were full-fledged direct democracies, a kind of regime which is otherwise astonishingly rare. This was of course limited to only full male citizens, about 10 percent of the population of this “slave state.” (Alain Soral, that eternal mauvaise langue, once noted that the closest modern state to democratic Athens was . . . the Confederate States of America.)

The Greeks were individualists too, but not in the sense that Americans are, let alone post-60s liberals. Their “kings” seem more like “chiefs,” with a highly variable personal authority, rather than absolute monarchs or oriental despots.

In all other respects, the Greeks were extremely “fash”: misogynistic, authoritarian, warring, enslaving, etc. One could say that, by the standards of the United Nations, the entire Greek adventure was one ceaseless crime against humanity.

The most proto-fascistic were of course the Spartans, that famous militaristic and communal state, often idealized, as most recently in the popular film 300. Sparta would be a model for many, cited notably by Jean-Jacques Rousseau and Adolf Hitler (who called the city-state “the first Volksstaat). Seven eighths of Sparta’s population was made of helots, subjects dominated by the Spartiate full-time warriors.

The Greeks generally were enthusiastic practitioners of racial citizenship. Leftists have occasionally (rightly) pointed to the fact that the establishment of democracy in Athens was linked to the abolition of debt. But one should also know that Pericles, the ultimate democratic politician, paired his generous social reforms with a tightening of citizenship criteria to having two Athenian parents by blood. (The joining of more “progressive” redistribution with more “exclusionary” citizenship makes sense: The more discriminating one is, the more generous one can be, having limited the risk of free-riding.)

In line with this, the Greeks practiced primitive eugenics so as to improve the race. The most systematic in this respect was Sparta, where newborns with physical defects were left in the wilderness to die. By this cruel “post-natal abortion” (one can certainly imagine more human methods), the Spartans thus made individual life absolutely secondary to the well-being of the community. This is certainly in stark contrast to the maudlin cult of victimhood and personal caprice currently fashionable across the West.

Athenian democracy was also known for the systematic exclusion of women, who seemed to have had lives almost as cloistered and private as that of pious Muslims. The stark limitations on sex (arranged marriages, the death penalty for adultery) may have also contributed to the similar Greek penchant for pederasty and bisexuality. Homosexuals were not a discrete social category (how sad for anyone to make their sexual practices the center of their identity!). Homosexual relationships, in parallel to wives, were often glorified as relations of the deepest friendship and entire regiments of male lovers were organized (e.g. the Sacred Band of Thebes), with the idea that by such bonds they would fight to the death.

To this day, it is not clear if we have ever matched the intellectual and moral level of the Greeks (and I do not confuse morality with sentimentality, the recognition of apparently unpleasant truths is one of the greatest markers of genuine moral courage). Considering the education, culture (plays), and politics that a large swathe of the Greek public engaged in, their IQs must have been very high indeed.

Some argue we have yet to surpass Homer in literature or Plato in philosophy. (In my opinion, our average intellectual level is clearly much lower and our educated public probably peaked in consciousness and morality between the 1840s and 1920s. Our much superior science and technology is of no import in this respect, we’ve simply acquired more means of being foolish, something which could well end in the extinction of our dear human race.)

Homer’s influence over the Greeks was like “that of the Bible and Shakespeare combined or to Hollywood plus television today” (29). (Surely another marker of our catastrophic moral and intellectual decline. Of course, in a healthy culture, audiovisual media like cinema and television would be propagating the highest values, including the epic tales of our Greek heritage, among the masses.)

Homer glorified love of honor (philotimo) and excellence (areté), a kind of individualism wholly unlike what we have come to know. This was a kind of competitive individualism in the service of the community. They did not glorify individual irresponsibility or fleeing one’s community (which, to some extent, is the American form of individualism). If the hoplite citizen-soldiers did not fight with perfect cohesion and discipline, then the city was lost.

Dominique Venner has argued that Homer’s Iliad and Odyssey should again be studied and revered as the foundational “sacred texts” of European civilization. (I don’t think the Angela Merkels and the Hillary Clintons would last very long in a society educated in “love of honor” and “excellence.”)

Plato, often in the running for the greatest philosopher of all time, was an anti-democrat, arguing for the rule of an enlightened elite in the Republic and becoming only more authoritarian in his final work, the Laws. Athenian democracy’s chaos, defeat in war with Sparta, and execution of his mentor Socrates for thoughtcrime no doubt contributed to this. Karl Popper argued Plato, the founder of Western philosophy, paved the way for modern totalitarianism, including German National Socialism.

The Greek city-states were tiny by our standards: Sparta with 50,000, Athens 250,000. One can see how, in a town like Sparta, one could through daily ritual and various practices (e.g. all men eating and training together) achieve an incredible degree of social unity. (Of course, modern technology could allow us to achieve similar results today, as indeed the fascists attempted and to some extent succeeded.) Direct democracy was similarly only possible in a medium-sized city at most.

The notion of citizenship is something that we must retain from the Greeks, a notion of mutual obligation between state and citizen, of collective responsibility rather than the selfish tyranny of ethnic and plutocratic mafias. Rodgers argues that polis may be better translated as “citizen-state” rather than “city-state.” The polis sometimes had a rather deterritorialized notion of citizenship, emigrants still being citizens and in a sense accountable to the home city. This could be particularly useful in our current, globalizing age, when technology has so eliminated cultural and economic borders, and our people are so scattered and intermingled with foreigners across the globe.

The ancient Greeks are also a good benchmark for success and failure: Of repeated rises and falls before ultimate extinction, of successful unity in throwing off the yoke of the Persian Empire (with famous battles at Thermopylae and Marathon . . .), and of fratricidal warfare in the Peloponnesian War.

The sheer brutality of the ancient world, as with the past more generally, is difficult for us cosseted moderns to really grasp. Conquered cities often (though not always) faced the extermination of their men and the enslavement of their women and children (often making way for the victors’ settlers). Alexander the Great, world-conqueror and founder of a still-born Greco-Persian empire, was ruthless, with frequent preemptive murders, hostage-taking, the razing of entire cities, the crucifixion of thousands, etc. He seems the closest the Greeks have to a universalist. (Did Diogenes’ “cosmopolitanism” extend to non-Greeks?) The Greeks thought foreigners (“barbarians”) inferior, and Aristotle argued for their enslavement.

The Greeks’ downfall is of course relevant. The epic Spartans gradually declined into nothing due to infertility and, apparently, wealth inequality and female emancipation. Alexander left only a cultural mark in Asia upon natives who wholly failed to sustain the Hellenic heritage. One Indian work of astronomy noted: “Although the Yavanas [Greeks] are barbarians, the science of astronomy originated with them, for which they should be revered like gods.”

One rare trace of the Greeks in Asia is the wondrous Greco-Buddhist statues created in their wake, of serene and haunting otherworldly beauty.

The Jews make a late appearance upon the scene, when the Seleucid Hellenic king Antiochus IV made a fateful faux pas in his subject state of Judea:

Not realizing that Jews were somehow different form his other Semitic subjects, Antiochus despoiled the Temple, installed a Syrian garrison and erected a temple to Olympian Zeus on the site. This was probably just part of his general Hellenizing programme. But the furious revolt that broke out, led by Judas Maccabeus the High Priest, finally drove the Seleucids from Judea for good. (241)

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There is wisdom: “Nothing in excess,” “Know thyself.”

So all that Alt Right propaganda using uplifting imagery from Greco-Roman statues and history, and films like Gladiator and 300, and so on, is both effective and completely justified.



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  1. Gladiator
    Posted June 18, 2016 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    What a great read. Rarely I find well written and in depth literature such as the above material, in contemporary media these days about the ancients.
    Yes, Rome and Greece, the two pillars of western civilization.
    “In a thousand years our bones shall turn into dust but are our names shall be remembered “– Achilles the Iliad.

    Honor was valued and held in high esteem far more than materialistic wealth.

  2. Ragnvaldr
    Posted June 14, 2016 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    Very enjoyable article.

    Over the years I perceive Greek and Roman culture was held up primarily due to the church. For myself, I see it as the Northern Europeans getting stuck in the ditch and a major wrong turn.

    Ragnvaldr is the old Norse for my given first name. He led the guard during the Byzantine Empire for the Greeks. He was of what is now Sweden, where Danes originated. Many left the North finding great wealth as warriors in the South. The Greeks and Romans were midgets in comparison.

    Like many I admire Greek culture, but those are not my ancestors, nor is Christianity my religion. There is so much hidden history of the Norse Germanic peoples…aspects of culture, things one has always held close that are alien to Western ideas and the Church, which is the real reason for the reformation…those invasive ideas had to be adapted to more so fit with Germanic sensibilities.

  3. Alföðr
    Posted June 10, 2016 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    It is interesting that Alexander the Great slept with two things under his pillow, a dagger and a copy of the Iliad annotated by Aristotle.

  4. Raymond Tuesday
    Posted June 10, 2016 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, Guillaume.

    Your mention of Pericles’ applying generous social reforms within a strictly racialist perspective, brought to mind a quote by Savitri Devi on the moral cowardice of modern man who, though desirous of the benefits of violent intolerance, rejects all responsibility of it.

    Who among the borderless, tea-cosy clad multiculturalists of today shall rise in the night, saddling and bridling their unicorns before vaulting boldly forth into the valley of death to protect the polis? None I should think; for rainbow boots are seen to march only on the most clement of days.

    Those of us wishing to honour our traditions and heritage, and wishing further still to bring forward their vital energies into the future, would do well to heed Pericles’ in his exhortation that we, the living, must determine to live up to the standards set by those who have gone before us. Let this be our resolve.

    As additional reading to any who might be interested, may I suggest ‘The Greek View of Life’ by G. Lowes Dickinson . It was originally published in 1896 by Methuen and Co. (who also published work by Hilaire Belloc), is a very pleasant read, and is available online.

    P.s.: I greatly enjoyed the recent ‘Living as a Dissident’ podcast!

  5. GenYes
    Posted June 10, 2016 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Guillaume, I always look forward to your articles on C-C; your voice is needed and appreciated here. On the subject of Greek homosexuality, if Greg Cochran’s gay germ theory is correct, the transition from facultative to exclusive homosexuality could be the result of invasive micro-organisms (riding on the backs – or in the guts of – of immigrants) and hybridization events. It is not unprecedented. On the subject of ancient Greek intelligence, Cochran has also argued that it was really a sub-population within Greece (the Ionians) who were responsible for much of the intellectual output of Hellas. This should not be surprising to anyone who looks at Greek geography and understands founder effects.

  6. Peter Quint
    Posted June 10, 2016 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    I recently started watching “Breaking Bad” the used dvds are now cheap enough for me to buy. I am enthusiastic for the character “Heisenberg.” I have watched the first three seasons so far, and am waiting for season four to be delivered. “Breaking Bad” is an important series for white nationalism, just as the Jewish Bolsheviks, and Jewish intellectuals used to say “I am Spartacus,” white nationalists should adopt the phrase “I am Heisenberg.” “Breaking Bad” is about white male empowerment, and explores the Aryan Hermetic quest which James J. O’Meara sometimes refers to. Walter White is a tragic figure, but watching him evolve from a timid, oppressed, exploited, and beleaguered school teacher is fascinating. I think Walter White is a Faustian figure, and we should pay special attention to his proclamation that “Chemistry is magic.” when he has his conversation with Gale Boetticher. I look forward to the day when white nationalists routinely greet each other with “I am Heisenberg,” and we have white crime families in every town pumping drugs into non-white neighborhoods, and exploit the system as the Jews have so many centuries. James J. O’Meara, “Breaking Bad” is a more fascinating, and important series than “Mad Men.” I close this comment to my fellow white nationalists with an “I am Heisenberg,” and a figurative Roman salute.

  7. Posted June 10, 2016 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Well, there is also Roman statues used in the genre “Vaporwave.”

    “Vaporwave,” is a genre a slow, cut-up, commercial samples, creating ambient textures. The genre is about nostalgia for the 80’s and the rising economic power of Japan.

    Other than that, the music is really easy to make.

    If a Roman bust appears with the “aesthetics” appeal, it’s about Vaporwave.

    Is there an Alt-right theme in this art which comes from a background that is dadaist, ironic, and egalitarian? Is it about nostalgia for the past? Or is it a kind of irrational love for Greek culture?

    All the major musicians of Vaporwave are people of color and is organized by you-know-who.
    …Deconstruction rather?

  8. c
    Posted June 10, 2016 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    I think that the classical balance of Rights/Duties, if it were ever real, will struggle to find a place in the modern world, because the State is too massive and powerful compared to the citizen to sustain a real balance, or even an agreeable fiction. This is true regardless of whether Nationalists take the reins. Maybe this is why the Strong Father figures tend to appear – a son performs his filial duties unquestioningly and hopes for dutiful care but cannot demand it.

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