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Hunter Wallace of Occidental Dissent, who is barely 30, is entering retirement according to his most recent article, “Old Soldiers.” According to one of Wallace’s comments on his article, White Nationalism appealed to him when he was overweight, undersexed, unemployed, living at home, and alienated from his community. Now that all of these things have changed, he is becoming a Republican. Naturally, we are  pained by the invidious comparisons, but we nevertheless wish him a long and happy retirement.

 

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  1. Posted March 21, 2011 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    @ “If even half the stuff people say about him [Covington] is true…” – LEW

    What half? Pierce was a first-class intellectual; he wrote absolute must-reading stuff and I really love his work. Covington’s Northwest migration, on the other hand, is a vision far more convincing than re-conquering the whole US (like in Pierce’s The Turner Diaries).

    Nobody is perfect. Covington picked up fights with everyone, as can be ascertained in “A Brief History of the White Nationalist Movement” (exactly what Wallace did since he started to pick fights with everybody last year, starting with Jim Giles) and even in The Hill of the Ravens, a novel of Covington’s quartet.

    Yes: that was Covington’s mistake. But which successful political genius is not also a… very flawed person?

    Since I am of Spanish ancestry and (the reasons of this are complex) I identify better with the white hyperboreans, recently I watched some documentaries about the defeat the Spanish Armada, that sailed against England in 1588 with the intention of overthrowing Elizabeth I. Although I have always supported England on that historical war, it shocked me to learn that after the victory several diseases and hunger killed many of the heroic sailors (estimated at 6,000–8,000) as they were discharged without pay: an horrendous betrayal by their own government, in contrast to the assistance given by the Spanish to its surviving men. So Elizabeth, who together with her father created England, was after all a very flawed politician.

    I would add that all of us are flawed persons. Only in the movies are people flawless.

    Back to Covington. One of the beauties of his plan is that if you or W.W. hate him you don’t have to take orders from him or anyone in the Northwest. Unlike the “Organization” in Pierce’s novel, the Northwest Volunteer Army will be made up strictly of volunteers. You can even be an honorary NVA member working by yourself as a lone wolf once revolution starts. No one is obliged to obey the Old Man, no one, as in regular armies you have superiors.

    Face it: the Butler Plan is the only plan available now at 11:59 PM before the West’s darkest hour. When the fan gets hit you’ll face a choice: either join the NVA or at least support the most active members financially. At the very least, once it all starts the true nationalist will never criticize those who are risking their lives for the survival of our children.

    No: the real danger for the revolution is not a cranky Old Man shooting the poor ducks in his backyard (cf. The Hill of the Ravens page 295). The real danger are, and will be, the GUBU freaks (again cf. the moral of the same novel).

    • Posted March 21, 2011 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

      Since this thread is about “Hunter Wallace”, let me add that his most recent diatribe at OD is about Covington. I just cannot understand why that site still has some remaining commenters left? How can they be so blind? Yes: I can understand Covington’s mistakes, e.g. what he wrote about Pierce. But the OD attack goes miles beyond the pale, even quoting a SPLC interview of Covington’s bro that I had rebutted in the commentariat section of the new incarnation of TOQ (a silly article by Yggdrasil against secession).

    • Lew
      Posted March 21, 2011 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

      I wouldn’t do business with Covington based on what Hadding and WW alone have said about him, but I don’t hate him or think his ideas related to the northwest republic have no merit. On the contrary, I think the cloud of suspicion he has created around himself by attacking other nationalists is unfortunate because it diverts attention from his ideas which are original and good and do have merit. But actualizing the northwest republic or something like it in the real world, rather than just writing to make a case for it, will require leaders with unimpeachable integrity. It just doesn’t seem like Covington is the best person to lead his own idea because of the controversy he has created around himself. Slandering Pierce was just foolish. But anyway, like you said This article is about HW so Covington is peripheral here.

    • Posted March 23, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

      Chechar seems entirely inured to corruption, and ON THAT BASIS he can excuse Harold Covington.

      This is of course diametrically opposed to the teaching of Dr. Pierce and even opposed by Harold Covington’s own (hypocritical) posturing on the subject of character.

      • Posted March 23, 2011 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

        That word, “inured”, is used in phrases such as “these children have been inured to violence”. But I am not inured to corruption (or to violence).

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted March 23, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

        I wrote a post in this thread that seems to have gone to the Zone of Lost Things, in which I praised Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic, as being the closest thing we will find as a temporal bridge for the metapolitical project.

        Somehow, the mention of Harold Covington and the Northwest Republic brings out people who have been remarkably silent, for so very long. Apparently, it even pulled The Hunter back from the dead, and Hadding has been brought back to life, all to attack a man whose best Work makes all before him – since 1945, at least – look intellectually limited, and morally challenged.

        Such is the tremendous power of the Northwest Republic!

        Do you wonder why, of all possible people, for all possible reasons, suddenly, Harold Covington and the Northwest Republic is drawing such hatred?

        I’ll make it easy.

        Opening theme of Jeopardy.

        “Yes, welcome back, Fourmyle, it’s your choice. Go ahead, and choose wisely.”

        “I’ll take ‘Cold, Hard Truth’ for 200, Alex.”

        *Flashing Lights!* “It’s the Daily Double!”

        “This man holds up a cold, hard light of truth, and everyone who sees it is so shamed at their Childish impotence, their total political ineffectiveness, that they attack him personally, ruthlessly, and ignore the obvious faults of those who went before him, and failed. What is this man’s name, what is the name of his cold, hard light of truth, and what famous fable does this resemble?”

        “Yes, the buzzer says you were first, Mr. Fourmyle. Go ahead and answer this Daily Double question, and you will go on to Final Jeopardy.”

        “Harold Covington, the Northwest Republic, and the fox and the Sour grapes by Aesop, Alex.”

        “Correct! Well done, Fourmyle, and you go to Final Jeopardy.”

        It’s the RACE that is in jeopardy, people.

        Why is, suddenly, all of this attention being focused on Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic, by Covington’s detractors?

        One, they shift the topic from the Northwest Republic as the Analytical Model for a White Homeland, and stay in their happy little sandboxes not too far from the demographic equivalent of the Fukushima reactors. They can’t see the earthquake, don’t worry about seismographs, and only saw tsunami’s on Saturday morning cartoons.

        They are simply overwhelmed by the vast complexity of the Adult world, and retreat to oversimplification of a hypercomplex Reality.

        So, the Northwest Republic, in their minds, is reduced to “Harold Covington a bad man! Bad. bad, bad!”

        Fine, Children, go back to sleep.

        I don’t think it is entirely an accident that all and sundry – even those who claimed they were walking away from White Nationalism – suddenly jump back t lie, and join the attack on the Man, and not his Works.

        Fine.

        I’ll deal with them, too.

        There is one argument for the Northwest Republic that is just jumps out at you, and only Covington understood it, and what it means.

        To make it easy, I’ll spell it out for you.

        Years ago, some Mormon guys who were really good at marketing and demography made a series of movies called “The Wilderness Family.” They were cheap to make, and very profitable.

        They discovered something.

        When you show White Americans the vast, stunning vistas of the Northwest, with cameras panning from left to right, from near to far, they just go totally crazy. What all of that symbolizes in their minds – freedom, peace, faith and family, none of the colored people anywhere in sight – makes them hit the “YES! button as fast as they can.

        They will take substantial cuts in income to live a lifestyle that approximates that, and if a man can find a woman willing enough to do what this requires – see the comments on women and geldings – they will hit the “YES! button tomorrow.

        The bad news, women will choose security over most anything else, with their Children first in mind.

        The good news, when they have nothing, and nothing to lose, they will lose it.

        As Patriarchs, we need to develop alternative social systems that will allow them and our Families to flourish, where none may make afraid.

        THAT is the psychological foundation of the organic component of the Northwest Republic, the organic migration of our people from Los Angeles, the soon to be political capital of Alta California, to the Northwest, by any means necessary.

        At the end of the day, they ARE us, in all but name, and Covington is doing what can be done about that.

        We seem to be so weak, and this is the result of a century of relentless indoctrination, especially in the public indoctrination system schools, and there is Good News hidden in that.

        This is the Shadow of the Effectiveness that is possible for us to attain.

        The Adversary knows, better than we do, that we have the one Idea that they must not let gain awareness, much less legitimacy, and less still, acceptance, in the minds of the Dispossessed Majority.

        THAT is the Ideal so commonly accepted by our Ancestors as to be not worth mentioning.

        Our RACE has not just a “right” to exist, but a DUTY to conquer all that stands in the way of our Children fulfilling their unique Destiny.

        THAT is the Ideal.

        And the Idea?

        That we CAN do this, given the right tools, choices and talents.

        People on our side keep complaining about the lack of a “Movement,” which is really their fear to go first.

        In politics, however, there is no Movement without a Cause.

        Our Cause, writ large, is the metapolitical project.

        Our Cause, writ small, for the external, above-ground component of our political organization, can be expressed in Bob Whitaker’s Mantra, especially if we change the focus to the genocide of White Children.

        Our Cause, writ small, for the internal, hard-core, below-ground component of our political organization, can be expressed in Fourteen Words, and you know which words they are. We can all recite them by heart.

        What it takes is two things; a temporal bridge, for the metapolitical project, and that issue has been addressed perfectly by Harold Covington, with his Northwest Republic Analytical Model, and a statement of the Mindset needed to keep us motivated, and focused.

        I’ve mentioned Fight Club, and we all know the First Rule of Fight Club.

        How about the First Rule of the Metapolitical Project?

        I’ll have to borrow from Kevin Alfred Strom.

        Say this, to yourself, alone, when you feel outnumbered, outgunned, and overwhelmed, and pronounced each word S…L…O….W…..L….Y.

        “WE’RE GOING TO WIN.”

        Tattoo THAT on the inside of your skull, for easy reference.

        We can learn from this.

        • Posted March 23, 2011 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

          Fourmyle of Ceres, the reason why people have tuned you out is that you are like the proverbial broken record. Also, when you are saying the same thing over and over, you use too many words to do it. The word concise is not in your dictionary. Who is going to read your long posts in anticipation of being bored by them?

          What brought me to this thread is that Chechar posted a comment about Covington on my blog and I wanted to find out what else he says about him. What I find is that Chechar is a general apologist for Covington to a degree that I think many people would find hard to accept.

          http://www.noncounterproductive.blogspot.com

        • Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:21 am | Permalink

          Fourmyle of Ceres says:
          “I wrote a post in this thread that seems to have gone to the Zone of Lost Things, in which I praised Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic, as being the closest thing we will find as a temporal bridge for the metapolitical project.

          “Somehow, the mention of Harold Covington and the Northwest Republic brings out people who have been remarkably silent, for so very long…

          4-Mile plays Jeopardy:
          “I’ll take ‘Cold, Hard Truth’ for 200, Alex.”

          Alex Trebek poses:
          “This man holds up a cold, hard light of truth…”

          4-Mile buzzes in first and responds:
          “Harold Covington…”

          Alex:
          “You didn’t put that in the form of a question. You lose.”

          4-Mile asks:
          “Why is, suddenly, all of this attention being focused on Harold Covington, and the Northwest Republic, by Covington’s detractors?…I’ll deal with them, too.”

          Will Williams, plaintiff in ‘Williams v. Covington,’ responds:
          All of a sudden you say? Listen 4-Mile, or “New America,” or whoever you are; deal with me. Forget all other detractors of your fiction-writing hero. Living in Southern Appalachia, I could give a hoot about your “NW Republic.” But I’ve focused considerable attention on defendant Covington’s “cold, hard light of truth,” as you call it, for more than two decades. I’m a real person, using my given name, and I know what I’m talking about when I say your Mr. Covington is a pathological liar and has been on the run and in hiding now for over 13 years, ever since I prevailed in ‘Williams v. Covington.’ He’s not leading any “temporal” NorthWest migration project, “metapolitical,” or otherwise. He owes me more than $200,000 real world Federal Reserve Notes, resulting from the adverse judgment in my personal libel lawsuit against him, filed in Wake County, North Carolina, in 1996. How ’bout we deal with that, Mr. 4-Mile? Don’t even try to preach to me about truth in the same breath that you mention Harold A. Covington. That crap won’t flush with this White boy.

          You keep repeating that Dr. William Pierce was backwards-looking — Not! — while you claim GenSec Covington is the most forward-looking visionary for our race since 1945. That’s utter nonsense. You don’t know your alleged “visionary’s” sorry history and you refuse to hear it. And, apparently, whoever “lost” your post here at C-C is tiring of your constant promotion of Covington, too. Thank Yashua, Yahweh and Elohim!

          You even quote Kevin A. Strom, Dr. Pierce’s former Media Director, to make your case for defendant Covington and against Dr. Pierce. You want to talk about truth? You might want to check with Kevin on his opinion of your Great White Leader’s “truths” before you continue your fawning line of praise.

          Counter-Currents readers might enjoy the HAC-free discourse about Dr. Pierce’s vision that’s going on here currently: http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=125299&page=4 C-C is mentioned favorably in that thread.

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted March 24, 2011 at 10:32 am | Permalink

            This back and forth between Pierce and Covington followers on this thread has gotten unproductively personal, so let this be the end of it here, and elsewhere on the site as well.

  2. Posted March 20, 2011 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Fourmyle of Ceres asks: “Did I mention Harold Covington’s excellent idea of a Northwest Republic…”

    Uh, yeah, only in 90% of your posts — even more than you mention your Charlie Brown football story. Thanks for those excellent ideas, 4-Mile.

    Like Clark Kent and Superman were never seen together in the same place at the same time, some have noticed that you and New America (starting about halfway down here,
    http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/20100706/open-thread-18/ ) have never been seen together simultaneously either. Most of New America’s posts there are “hidden due to low comment rating,” but they are still viewable just a click away.

    Greg Johnson: “[T]hat Sam Dickson and John Gardner are not public laughingstocks, shunned by everyone in this movement, pretty much indicates that nobody takes this movement seriously, which means, in their heart of hearts, nobody thinks we can win.”

    Nip the defeatism, friend. Dickson and Gardner are lawyers, not leaders. They are not laughingstocks to be shunned when we need a lawyer, since we can count our lawyers on the fingers of both hands; they just ought to stick to lawyering rather than trying to lead hard-liners. I’d say the same to ITs and academicians who don’t have what it takes to hold the hard racial line.

    What gets me is when a thoroughly documented professional smear artist and political saboteur like Mr. Covington is promoted as a legitimate leader rather than shunned. “This movement” will never be taken seriously as long as such a sleazy character as he is taken seriously by those who style themselves leaders. When I criticized “Hunter Wallace” for promoting Covington last year, all he could do was accuse me of “infighting” and ban me, first from his OD forum, then his OD blog. That’s fine with me. Even pathological liar “Hunter” eventually distanced himself from pathological liar Covington, while holding him up as a prime example of the hated “WN vanguardist.” Hrumph!

    I was disappointed that no genuine WNs weighed in here on my exchange with “Brownie” before it got buried: http://www.counter-currents.com/2011/03/matt-parrotts-hoosier-nation/comment-page-1/#comment-5233 Is Brownie now “Hindu Desi?” I don’t see that Brownie adds much that’s positive to WN discourse, but the rarely seen 1985 piece I transcribed by Dr. Pierce in that thread last week is what White Nationalism is all about.

    I’ll take Dr. Pierce’s intellectual honesty and single-minded, positive leadership every time over anything from all those mentioned above. Our tires may need rotating but WNs do not need to reinvent the wheel.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 20, 2011 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

      I am not a defeatist, but I do think that unconscious defeatism is a factor when movement people demand less competence and responsibility from so called leaders than they demand from their car mechanic. After all, a brake failure is serious. A failure of movement leadership . . . well, one would think that much more serious, since we are concerned with the preservation of our whole race. But the fact that people treat it far less seriously indicates that they really don’t think that the movement can accomplish its aims under any circumstances.

      • Posted March 20, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

        Shouldn’t the Covington/WW debate be dropped from CC altogether?

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted March 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

          Yes, I am starting to feel that I have embarked on a long sea voyage with Captain Ahab, but Will generally makes good comments, so I decided to cut him some slack.

        • Posted March 21, 2011 at 11:51 am | Permalink

          Chechar proposes: “Shouldn’t the Covington/WW debate be dropped from CC altogether?”

          You’d think. As long as you Covingtonistas advance the whale’s “excellent idea” here, WW, aka “Ahab,” will oppose the whale and his “idea.” You can’t see behind the whale’s mask as I can, Chech. WN is a Truth movement; we are bound to expose lies and and pull the masks from bald-faced liars.

          “The white whale tasks me; he heaps me. Yet he is but a mask. ‘Tis the thing behind the mask I chiefly hate; the malignant thing that has plagued mankind since time began; the thing that maws and mutilates our race, not killing us outright but letting us live on, with half a heart and half a lung.”

          Thanks for for allowing a boatrocker to counter the Covingtonistas, Greg. That takes a bit of courage because “infighting” is not good for business. However, a lie left unrefuted tends to becomes the truth.

          Our leaders must not only be competent and responsible, they must tell the truth, as Dr. Pierce always tried his best to do. I never caught him in a deliberate lie and I was always looking. Defendant Covington, OTOH, behind his mask, his fictions, has been proven for decades to be a World Class Liar of the most malicious variety. His blather about courage and character and the importance of telling the truth doesn’t fool Ahab.

          • Posted March 21, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

            But uncle Harold at least has a plan, the Butler Plan. It can work (we only need many more volunteers). No other nationalist has a viable plan.

          • Lew
            Posted March 21, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

            One serious problem with Covington’s plan is Covington himself. Fair or not, no one is going to do serious work with that man in the real world given his reputation. If even half the stuff people say about him is true, few are going to work with him. At a minimum, even if none of it is true, Covington has clearly stepped on enough toes over the years to earn himself a lot of enemies. It’s a shame because his writing is great, he is very entertaining, and excluding his attacks on movement people his ideas are good. Whatever its merits, however, the northwest idea will never get off the ground unless someone less controversial steps forward to take the lead.

  3. Posted March 19, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Greg Johnson said: “…That’s never smart when dealing with a pathological liar. But I still wish him a long retirement.”

    “Tank” is back from his short retirement after OD blog was shut down for a week or so.

    This nutcase “expert” can’t leave the White resistance alone, especially dread “vanguardists”/National Socialists. I don’t know what he is, besides an insufferable windbag, but “Hunter Wallace” never was WN in any sense of that term I’m familiar with. He’s nothing more than an anti-NS and anti-vanguardist Internet gadfly.

    Greg, it’s hard to believe that this flake was appointed by the “WN” powers that be to run TOQ Online after you were run off as TOQ Editor. What in hell were they thinking?

    http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2011/03/19/thinking-housewife-the-problem-with-white-nationalism/comment-page-1/#comment-193268


    “No one can accuse me of being a National Socialist or a Nazi sympathizer. I have quarreled with those people for years… While I am no longer involved in the White Nationalist movement, I remain an expert on the subject.” -“Hunter Wallace”

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 19, 2011 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

      Will,

      Not only did John Gardner and Sam Dickson appoint Hunter Wallace caretaker of TOQ Online, they also delivered into his hands the donor and subscriber records of The Occidental Quarterly and the corporation that publishes it, The Charles Martel Society.

      What does that mean? It means that two of the leaders of what we optimistically call our “movement” delivered the personal identities and contact information of several hundred of the most intelligent and committed racialists in the world into the hands of an individual with a history of phishing, stalking, internet trolling, pathological lying, and releasing the private information of White Nationalists who displeased him to the public in the hope of personally damaging them.

      Moreover, this individual had also been committed to a mental institution and diagnosed as bipolar and schizophrenic (this pathological liar now assures us that these diagnoses were false and the doctors changed their minds), and during this psychotic episode (the one that he will admit to), he blogged about going to work for the SPLC. He assures us, though, that this was just an insane fantasy. The trouble with insane people, however, is that they sometimes act on their fantasies.

      Finally, lest you think that all of that was way back then, the recent “hiatus” of Occidental Dissent was triggered when one of Wallace’s old “Phora” friends, a Mischling, posted the personal contact information of a woman who displeased him on an Occidental Dissent discussion thread in the hope of causing her personal damage.

      Wallace knew this was happening but did nothing to remove this information. Finally, it was removed by another administrator of the site. Wallace then put the site in “Maintenance” mode because of “threats” he received for allowing his Mischling friend to out a White Nationalist. In short, not even two weeks ago, “Wallace” was allowing his site to publish the personal information of a White Nationalist who chose to remain anonymous to protect her person, employment, and family.

      If you subscribe or give money to The Occidental Quarterly, you could be outed by this vicious freak at any time.

      Now why did Sam Dickson and John Gardner deliver TOQ Online and the TOQ database into the hands of such a person? Well, at the very least, they are grotesquely irresponsible and incompetent. They are also completely shameless, because neither of them has resigned over this disgrace. (Dickson resigned his presidency for personal reasons — and then passed it over to Gardner.)

      But people get the leadership that they deserve, and the fact that Sam Dickson and John Gardner are not public laughingstocks, shunned by everyone in this movement, pretty much indicates that nobody takes this movement seriously, which means, in their heart of hearts, nobody thinks we can win.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted March 19, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

        I would like to address a MOST salient point made by Greg Johnson, as it is of particular importance to the Cause, from which the Movement will arise.

        Greg Johnson wrote:

        But people get the leadership that they deserve, and the fact that Sam Dickson and John Gardner are not public laughingstocks, shunned by everyone in this movement, pretty much indicates that nobody takes this movement seriously, which means, in their heart of hearts, nobody thinks we can win.

        In reply:
        People DO “get the leadership they deserve,” because they choose who to follow, and they follow those who are most in their own likeness.

        They do not FOLLOW the likes of Gardner and Wallace; rather, they provide the historic role of self-identified “White Nationalists,” which is entertainment, to the exclusion of education.

        All of the hard-core WNists I respect came to this philsoophy from Conservatism/Libertarianism, and seeing that they were played for fools by the greater fools they supported. Half a century of impotence seems to have had little if any effect on most of those who self-identify as Conservatives or Libertarians, because they live in a state of denial not unlike those who supported Communism, long after it was obvious Communism was a failure.

        The anger at that which was better than they – the West, and Western Civilization – that was their primary motivation kept them warm at night, and those who trusted H.A. R. “Kim” Philby awoke to discover KGB General Philby living in a dingy apartment in a dingy city called Moscow, brgging of how his side would win, eventually.

        So much for historic inevitability.

        Still trying to kick that football, Charlie Brown?

        The good news is, the status quo remembles its founder’s philosophy; “politically correct” thinking is enforced by the inellectual equivalent of guard towers with machine guns, aimed at those who might try to get over the barbed wire fences and throught the minefields THEY need to keep US in their System.

        So, their anger at people seeing through their faceds, and the failures those facades prove them to be, needs to be directed outwards, towards US.

        And this is most heartening news, indeed.

        Our detractors have failed – spectacularly – and, when we offer them the Red Pill, they can’t take so much of the truth at once; their eyes hurt because they have never used them.

        Alex Linder is right: “There is no intelligent opposition to White Nationalism.”

        If we are a bit ahead of our time, so were the settlers at Plymouth Rock, and so were the Founders.

        The emotional payoff those who turn from us gain is cold comfort, indeed; no one trusts turncoats, after all, and rightly so.

        The second section of Greg Johnson’s comment is worth a second look:

        …the fact that Sam Dickson and John Gardner are not public laughingstocks, shunned by everyone in this movement, pretty much indicates that nobody takes this movement seriously…

        In reply:
        We need to clarify the nature of the Cause, focusing on a simple, solid, consistent message that helps people to realize, emotionally, the plight they and their Posterity face. I like Bob Whitaker’s Mantra, which I change to focus on the genocide of “White CHILDREN.” That last word seems to push through the intellectual defenses that keep people trapped in the Consensus Trance. (White RACE seems to be a bit too much of an abstraction for most people, and the fact of FIFTY years of destroying the market value of The Brand Called White requires an emotional shock to get through to them.

        Look at the reverse to see the truth.

        “…nobody takes this movement seriously, pretty much indicates that nobody takes this movement seriously, which means, in their heart of hearts, nobody thinks we can win.” (emphasis added in bold)

        No.

        Our Racial Enemies take the very Idea that we might be able to provide support FOR a Movement to be so horrifying to the Plans that they do all in their power to kill this in the cradle.

        Reread that sentence slowly, for that tells you how right we are, according to the people who control the media in the West, and deliberately manufacture the Consensus Trance. Take your time and reread it slowly, I’ll wait until you have finished.

        You can scream and holler for Black Nationalism, Hispanic Nationalism, you can argue at length that we never went to the Moon, you can argue so many things, because, at the end of the day, all of your arguments are reduced to hollow mockeries. Hell, The Powers That Be will subsidize you in this, because you are creating impotent outlets for the helpless to use to vent their anger in helpless ways.

        White Nationalism is the ONE Idea that they must crush in the cradle; if it gains the most remote of credence, the Consensus Trance begins to collapse, people can take the Red Pill, and the Soft Totalitarians lose their grip, and with it, their power, at an exponential rate.

        Ask the Arab Presidents/Kings/Dictators for life about this.

        What is occurring in the MidEast and North Africa “is not by accident”; people just needed a new communication technology the State did not totally control, an Idea they were not allowed to express before, and the belief that the Idea is now POSSIBLE. From THAT, critical masses quickly build. Note that this is also a Shadow War, between Iran and our Allies, with the New Ottoman Empire -a new ethnostate – the big gainer, as everyone is too occupied with events elsewhere, as their respective Empires turn back into sand.

        Did I mention Harold Covington’s excellent idea of a Northwest Republic is avialable to us as an Analytical Model no less powerful than the Analytical Model of the Ottoman Empire as the Analytical Model for what will become the New Ottoman Empire.

        THAT is the power of Sound, the power of an overarching Idea, clearly expressed, in a new medium of communication that the State does not control like it thought it did.

        And THAT is why false flags that self-identify as “White Nationalism” fly, both as a harmless outfit of harmless buffoons, and to destroy the credibility ot the One Idea that terrifies The Powers That Be, and their hirelings.

        Again, the only people “who think we can win” are the smartest and wisest people in the Opposition.

        If that isn’t heartening, what is?

        We can learn from this.

  4. no
    Posted March 7, 2011 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who has been following Hunter Wallace/Prozium/Fade the Butcher/etc over the past decade knows this is part of his pattern: initial radicalism, followed by a meltdown, followed by a radical change in direction to something more “conservative” (“American nationalism”, “mainstreaming”, etc) followed by another meltdown (and sometimes brief disappearance) to reemerge with a new web forum or a new web blog trumpeting his “latest, greatest” transformation.

    Hunter isn’t going anywhere. Like a bloated larva emerging from his cocoon, the metamorphosis of Hunter Wallace into something else – perhaps with yet another web site – is inevitable. He has to do this because he always drives away his audience; as people get wise to him and his antics, he has to find a new pool of suckers who don’t know about his past. So, he reinvents himself periodically. Once you’ve seen him do this a few times, nothing he does surprises you. The man/boy has no scruples or sense of shame. He has done this before and will do this again, as long as he can attract a new audience he’ll keep doing it.

    Ironic he always disparages the “internet warriors” but that is all he is or ever was. Contra his claims, he has never done any meaningful political activism in the real world; he only cares about being an online drama queen. It is what motivates him.

  5. Clint
    Posted February 19, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    lol great zeppelin picture

    • Posted February 19, 2011 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

      Please, explain the humor to me. Something escapes me . . .

      • White Republican
        Posted February 19, 2011 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

        The humour of the picture–a blimp or a gas bag entering a hanger–should require no explanation. Witless Wallace is or was overweight–we needn’t take his word that he has in fact lost weight–and he is full of hot air.

  6. Posted February 17, 2011 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    @ “Hunter never seemed comfortable discussing the Jewish Question probably owing to his Southern gentility.” – Mr Dithers

    Not so sure. He did have a good grasp on the subject, as shown in my latest republished OD article in my blog.

    @ “By joining the MultiCult, we make it easier for our misguided kinsmen to join us.” – Gregor

    @ “Bingo Gregor! You’re the only one to get it.” – William Rome

    Once more, this twisted logic reminds me that (unfortunately) removed article from Matt Parrott’s blog: that most hilarious piece that contained a pic of Disney’s Winnie the Pooh, “Why I’m Joining the SPLC”, of which I’ll quote only a couple paragraphs:

    I’ve devised a brilliant new strategy, one of wholeheartedly embracing anti-White “conservatives” that I shall call: Radical Realism. According to my unassailable logic, White Americans strongly disagree with my beliefs, so I will now strongly disagree with my own beliefs, too. From now on, I will cleverly support those who are vociferously anti-White but whose actions happen to align tangentially with White interests…

    You have to be extremely smart to get it, and he probably seems like an enemy to people who are retards. Fortunately for you, you have a very smart leader like myself to tell you what’s brilliant and what’s retarded.

    …And you’ll continue taking me seriously, because you’re retarded.

    • Gregor
      Posted February 18, 2011 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

      Too funny Chechar!

      To not see the difference between joining the $PLC (in earnest) ….

      To not see the difference between that …. and taking the first step toward enframing White legitimacy by (to some sub-rosa extent) taking a legitimate White European American seat within the MULTI-cult at this time, and as a strategy that is a part of larger strategies ….

      It’s pretty funny to watch people assiduously be not willing to see the possibilities.

      I’m not going to call you retarded for not seeing those possibilities.

      I’m just going to have a little chuckle at the obvious humor.

    • Mr. Dithers
      Posted February 19, 2011 at 5:45 am | Permalink

      Chechar,
      When Hunter started “Anti Semitica”, a blog dedicated to the Jewish Question, it had great promise. But after the infamous Giles interview and when Linder advocated extermination of the Jews on VNN he lost his marbles and his courage in dealing with the issue. He thought we could find common ground with the Jewish community on issues like immigration.

      It simply wouldn’t work. European nationalist parties are philo-semitic & Pro-Israel yet a clear majority of European Jews still oppose them as was documented in a recent article by Kevin MacDonald.

      • Posted February 19, 2011 at 10:28 am | Permalink

        @ Gregor,

        Did you read Matt’s (now removed) article in his blog?

        @ Mr Dithers,

        I am glad that you mentioned the Giles radio interview and Linder’s exterminationist wishes. I listened the whole interview and it is a pity that Giles removed it from his site. I believe it was the turning point in Wallace’s meltdown.

        As I wrote in my blog last June, had I been in Wallace’s shoes during the interview I’d simply have responded to Giles’ invasive questioning—pace historical revisionism—thus: “Hey dude: you are to the right of Hitler himself! His original plan was not to kill the Jews but to deport them to Madagascar. Only after he felt betrayed by a world that he so much admired—his dream alliance was with the British Empire—, with some reluctance he okayed Himmler’s 1942 nefarious memo for a final solution.”

        Instead of this frank, uninhibited response from an Aryan mind the interviewee’s yin psyche felt seared by its polar opposite, the yang interviewer. The interview only served as an accelerating catalyst to change something really deep in Wallace’s mind that was already in the process of meltdown.

        In the above-linked article Trainspotter neatly demonstrated how Wallace grossly overreacted to the Giles affaire. Instead of hardening one’s soul, the Aryan way, Giles and Linder became the first victims of a massive meltdown among the OD-ers (and no, I am not saying that I endorse exterminationist anti-Semitism—reread my hypothetical response to Giles above).

        In the following months it came the turn of the nationalist intellectuals. Virtually all of them!

        Trainspotter saw what was happening with extraordinary clairvoyance but… it came his own turn. And then it came the turn of Counter-Currents even when some C-C intellectuals (e.g., O’Meara) had not attacked OD. And then it came the turn of the best minds of WN, even the late Pierce himself. And then it came the turn of Covington. And then…

        Since in his long-winded posts Trainspotter won the duel with Wallace at OD, what I find it most intriguing is that a substantial part of the OD readership, all of them moving only thanks to a motor that is not theirs (Wallace stands out among his epigones as a locomotive singlehandedly tugging them) didn’t get it at all.

        It is so weird that Wallace’s article about my change in Antisemitica helped me to wrap my head around the JQ but that a little after he stated bluntly he’s no longer interested in the JQ; that he’d better save his ammunition to combat the “vanguardists”.

        How tragicomic. In one of my recent comments in this blog I spoke of a woman who proposed me but that I declined because “she’s not sufficiently white”. Well, I will indulge myself in a brief anecdote. I recently told her about the infighting within the movement. She could not believe it. “You are so few”, she said in Spanish, “and yet you fight each other? It makes no sense. How silly.”

        This coming from a non-white Mexican concerned about the fate of white nationalism in America…

        • Posted February 19, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

          Now that I reread my previous comment I realize that, since I was thinking in Spanish, all of my sentences that contain the phrase “it came the turn” are perhaps a little ambiguous. I should have written instead “Wallace decided in turn to attack…” this or that intellectual, etc.

  7. Sam Davidson
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    I stopped reading OD a long time ago. I don’t know why anyone does anymore.

  8. Gregor
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Joe Rebel, there are some possibly useful aspects to thinking “MultiCulturally”.

    First, the “World” itself is and has always been “MultiCult”. It’s reality.

    But the lives actually lived by real people(s) are not lived in that universal “World”, they are lived in much smaller groupings, inside smaller “Orders” which contained an organic culture, religion, habits, traditions, legal structures and much more.

    Until Technology changed the shape of living by transportation and communication, these relatively separated “Orders” didn’t bump into each other. This condition of organic physical separation is no longer the reality on the ground.

    The current fact in most formerly White spaces is that a substantial group of non-white demographics exist. Most of us don’t like this, but it doesn’t help us deal with our dislike if we don’t accept that it’s a fact. Discussions of the morality of “diversity” don’t change the demographic fact and don’t tell us what we should do to deal with it.

    How do we maintain White identity and live White life amidst the fact that this diversity occupies a space too small to contain and satisfy us or anyone else? Some Whites want to eventually remove all the non-White “diversity” and reclaim the whole space; some may consider breaking the space up to maintain separateness from the non-White“ diversity”. But STRATEGICALLY, what is the first step?

    I think the necessary first step is to work INSIDE the demographic facts. Our first step is to become A PART of the diversity, a diverse White European people as a fully legitimate part of the MultiCult, with our own identity every bit as legitimate as the separate identities of the other parts. I’m not suggesting we should mix with the non-Whites either culturally or genetically, but am suggesting that we exist on our own terms and as an explicit group inside the constellation called the “MultiCult”. For now.

    Liberals have no problem with non-Whites having a seat at the Diversity Table. We just need to pull up a chair and sit down at the same table. There will be no moral legitimacy to deny us this. Yes, they will try, but it can be done.

    This may be too big a pill for White Advocates to swallow. We think/thought we “owned” this place, and we did. But demographic realities now mean we no longer have the upper hand, so our strategy for revival must work from demographic reality and not whining about what used to be, or how things should be. We just take a seat, and work from that position.

    “Multiculturalists Never Have to Apologize” is one way of seeing how this strategy can help us. Too often Whites feel like they need to apologize for being White. With a seat at the table, this isn’t necessary. By embracing this tactic, we are in no way giving up the possibility of attaining long-term goals.

    By joining the MultiCult, we make it easier for our misguided kinsmen to join us. Once we take our seat at the table, there is no reason they should feel shame at joining us. Well, we will have to disabuse them of some of their ill-gotten guilt and shame … but that’s not impossible.

    The way forward will require our kinfolk to make a departure from xenophilia, but at the same time they will need a new home that is not xenophobia. They will need a home which has a seat at the table, a legitimate seat that they can feel at home in.

    Please don’t mistake these thoughts for any type of agreement with Hunter Wallace’s “thinking”. He has “pulled the plug” on his blog, and thereby pulled the plug on this odious and offensive stigmatization of anyone who doesn’t see things his way. If he wants to go play with his toys alone, I will not be sad.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted February 17, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

      In response to Gregor:

      You wrote:

      Until Technology changed the shape of living by transportation and communication, these relatively separated “Orders” didn’t bump into each other. This condition of organic physical separation is no longer the reality on the ground.

      In reply, in fact, it is.

      At the residential housing level, whenever people have a choice, they chose to separate along racial lines – period. This is even true in Charlotte, North Carolina, nationally praised as a model of multicultural “tolerance.”

      Gregor wrote:

      The current fact in most formerly White spaces is that a substantial group of non-white demographics exist. Most of us don’t like this, but it doesn’t help us deal with our dislike if we don’t accept that it’s a fact. Discussions of the morality of “diversity” don’t change the demographic fact and don’t tell us what we should do to deal with it.

      In reply, note that “they” choose not to live with “their own”; they choose to live with the White Race, and, frankly, who can blame them?

      In short, they really want to be White, as we can see in their choices.

      Gregory wrote:

      How do we maintain White identity and live White life amidst the fact that this diversity occupies a space too small to contain and satisfy us or anyone else? Some Whites want to eventually remove all the non-White “diversity” and reclaim the whole space; some may consider breaking the space up to maintain separateness from the non-White“ diversity”. But STRATEGICALLY, what is the first step?

      In reply, did you mean “diversity occupies a space too LARGE to contain…?”

      I’m glad you see the importance of the issue of “separation,” which the White Race really prefers, given the right to choose.

      Gregory wrote:

      I think the necessary first step is to work INSIDE the demographic facts. Our first step is to become A PART of the diversity, a diverse White European people as a fully legitimate part of the MultiCult, with our own identity every bit as legitimate as the separate identities of the other parts. I’m not suggesting we should mix with the non-Whites either culturally or genetically, but am suggesting that we exist on our own terms and as an explicit group inside the constellation called the “MultiCult”. For now.

      In reply:

      One, this is simply a paradox of majority rule, democracy without the right to say “No.”

      Two, the only thing that all other members of the Multicult can agree on – the common thread that unites the Multicult – like, for example, the Democratic Party – is a collective hatred of the White Race, matched by an individual desire to join the White Race, and live in places only the White Race can Create.

      Three, asking them to allow us to the table simply has NEVER worked. they are the very embodiment of intolerance.

      Ask Jared Taylor about how well “tolerance” has worked for AmRen.

      Gregor wrote:

      Liberals have no problem with non-Whites having a seat at the Diversity Table. We just need to pull up a chair and sit down at the same table. There will be no moral legitimacy to deny us this. Yes, they will try, but it can be done.

      In reply, just what does this “chair” look like, and just where is this “table?”

      The Rainbow Coalition, where self-hating Whites can engage in self-flagellation, seeking the approval of those who will never approve of them?

      Gregor wrote:

      This may be too big a pill for White Advocates to swallow. We think/thought we “owned” this place, and we did. But demographic realities now mean we no longer have the upper hand, so our strategy for revival must work from demographic reality and not whining about what used to be, or how things should be. We just take a seat, and work from that position.

      In reply, how you can work from “a position” that exists in the eternal timelessness of the mind of the Child, where we “take a seat” (where? how? is a table made for us in the midst of our Enemies?), and “work from that position.”

      “Work,” to what end?

      How SHOULD things be, and how will we accomplish that state of affairs by wasting our time, energy, and resources on people who rejoice at our demise, and would love to keep us helplessly doing the approval dance for our Enemies, where we seek an approval that will never be given?

      Sort of like Charlie Brown and the football, come to think of it.

      Why didn’t Charlie Brown ever reach down, find a pair, and refuse to play the Game, and THEN, go on to Create his own Game?

      Why don’t we?

      Thanks to counter-currents, and the ideas of White Nationalists from Nietzsche to Harold Covington, this is possible – and THAT is what terrifies our Racial Enemies.

      Gregory wrote:

      “Multiculturalists Never Have to Apologize” is one way of seeing how this strategy can help us. Too often Whites feel like they need to apologize for being White. With a seat at the table, this isn’t necessary. By embracing this tactic, we are in no way giving up the possibility of attaining long-term goals.

      In reply, no, we will always be groveling for the approval, from people who can only agree on one thing – WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO EXIST.

      Gregor wrote:

      By joining the MultiCult, we make it easier for our misguided kinsmen to join us. Once we take our seat at the table, there is no reason they should feel shame at joining us. Well, we will have to disabuse them of some of their ill-gotten guilt and shame … but that’s not impossible.

      In reply, “once we take our seat at the table” – gelded, impotent, and helpless – the issue is not should they “feel shame at joining us.”

      The issue is, why should they join us at all?

      Under such circumstances, we are simply the main course at the dinner of two wolves, and one sheep – we all know who’s for dinner, and, being a democratic system, the majority rules.

      Gregor wrote:

      The way forward will require our kinfolk to make a departure from xenophilia, but at the same time they will need a new home that is not xenophobia. They will need a home which has a seat at the table, a legitimate seat that they can feel at home in.

      In reply, they can make such a place for themselves – why, they already did!

      It’s called The West, where Others had a place, but it was not first place, until recently, when our Racial Enemy redefined the Terms.

      We can do something about that.

      As for the best place for us, indeed, the last, best hope for Mankind, the Northwest Republic as an Analytical Model presents itself as first, foremost, forever.

      “Focus Northwest, Reclaim The West.”

      Gregor wrote:

      Please don’t mistake these thoughts for any type of agreement with Hunter Wallace’s “thinking”. He has “pulled the plug” on his blog, and thereby pulled the plug on this odious and offensive stigmatization of anyone who doesn’t see things his way. If he wants to go play with his toys alone, I will not be sad.

      In reply, I think your thinking is pretty much where the thinking of “Hunter Wallace” will be, sooner, rather than later.

      On a personal note, I do not think we have heard the last of “Hunter Wallace,” who apparently is a self-made New Man, “as sleek as a greyhound, and as hard as Krupp steel.”

      Good luck finding that table, and those chairs.

      Watch out for that football, Charlie Brown.

      We can learn from this.

  9. Mr. Dithers
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    I think this is all just a ruse so Hunter can get his over sized ego stroked by his few remaining followers which seems to get smaller every week. If Alexa is accurate, web traffic to his site has been in sharp decline, so perhaps he realizes there’s no further point in maintaining his blog. At one time his blog was a real beacon of light for WN until he went wacko and took to Guy White style dissembling, lying and attacking.

    Hunter never seemed comfortable discussing the Jewish Question probably owing to his Southern gentility. I always had the sense he was just going along with the crowd and he didn’t really have any firmly held anti-Jewish convictions. His, at times, stunning naivete on this subject often left me scratching my head.

    Tears almost welled up in my eyes when he related how conservatism rescued him from the clutches of a misanthropic white nationalism. In fact, since ridding himself on WN baggage he’s become a chick magnet! I suppose being a Glenn Beck head has its advantages.

    I’d love to say good riddance, but something tells this tugboat turned Greek Adonis isn’t going away for long….if he’s really going away at all.

  10. Posted February 17, 2011 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Up until a few days ago, I really had enjoyed reading Occidental Dissent, as well as other pro-white websites (including Counter-Currents of course). But I must say that for the last few days, I have really become concerned with the direction that OD is taken (or perhaps better put the direction it has taken for quite some time now). Trying to mainstream white nationalism and infiltrate the Republican party were both things that I have never agreed with in the first place (and who the hell would want to anyways since the Republicans are just as anti-white as the Democrats). It won’t get us anywhere since white nationalist are as Greg put it “tiny, powerless, despised minority.” But “born-again multiculturalist?” WTH! Now they’ve really lost it by saying that we must become multiculturalist ourselves in order to infiltrate and defeat it. Multiculturalism is the very thing that will destroy all race and ethnicities. To become one with it would be to destroy ourselves in the process.

    Looking back, OD has always seemed to have had a pessimistic attitude about white nationalism, which kind of rubbed me the wrong way in the first place.

    • William Rome
      Posted February 17, 2011 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

      Bingo Gregor! You’re the only one to get it.

  11. FWM
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    “White Nationalism appealed to him when he was overweight, undersexed, unemployed, living at home, and alienated from his community.”

    You’re taking his word that his status has changed.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 17, 2011 at 10:52 am | Permalink

      You’re right. That’s never smart when dealing with a pathological liar. But I still wish him a long retirement.

  12. Krieger
    Posted February 17, 2011 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    What has really happened is that his site has died and no one bothers reading it anymore.

  13. Posted February 17, 2011 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    Here is thread that was posted to one of reddit.com’s most popular sub-reddits known as AskReddit:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/fmnoq/i_find_vdare_and_amren_very_informative_are_there/

    As you can see by perusing the right hand side of the page, there are 420,909 subscribers to AskReddit, so this question was posed in a very visible area. Are the responses sufficient to sway people to our cause? Of course not.

    But at least posts like these can get the idea of white nationalism on the table. Hundreds of people will see this thread. A few curious readers, paleo-conservatives, or somewhat racially conscious readers can at least come across these ideas and choose to look into them further.

    Keeping our discourse in front of, or at least readily accessible to those who are inclined to examine the notion of white ethno-racial politics and cultural movements is essential. Reddit can be a useful way to present our ideas and to expose ourselves to other political ideas that fall well outside the mainstream.

  14. Posted February 17, 2011 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Ironically, Hunter Wallace sparked a major kerfuffle at Digg.com & Reddit.com when he wrote a post encouraging white nationalists to “poison” the political discourse at Digg by clandestinely submitting WN content and posing as conservatives.

    No one really took Hunter’s advice and followed him onto Digg or Reddit, but there were a few of us who were already posting there as explicitly pro-white advocates and we caught hell over the uproar that ensued. You would be amazed at the number of conspiracy theories that abound there claiming that a major cabal of white nationalists from Stormfront or Occidental Dissent are secretly trying to subvert the political discourse on reddit.com.

    Presently there is a small, but vibrant explicitly pro-white community posting on a subsection of reddit known as WhiteRights and on WhitePride. Hunter was the originator of the WhiteNationalism subreddit, but that subreddit has languished as Hunter’s commitment to pro-white advocacy has waivered.

    For those who are interested in explicitly defending a pro-white perspective and exposing others who are interested in political ideas to WN political and cultural perspectives, I encourage you to submitting content & comments to the White Rights and White Pride subreddits referenced above.

    Although I do use a pseudonym I have never sought to conceal or deceive others about my political views. I have submitted literally hundreds of articles from The Occidental Observer, James Edwards’ blogs, counter-currents, David Duke, cofcc and other source and freely and openly discuss and defend my interest in white ethnopolitics to others who discuss political ideas online. You would be surprised at how many people are willing to at least hear WN perspectives.

    Changing the way people think about White Nationalism should be a major goal of ours. We can do it by by putting forth well written thoughtful polemics that advance and legitimize the pursuit of white ethnic interests. Submitting content from counter-currents or TOO to Reddit and Digg is a good way to expose our ideas to other who value and are interested in political ideas.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 17, 2011 at 1:42 am | Permalink

      Thank you for being so diligent about reposting material to Reddit. That kind of quiet but sustained activity ultimately has a very real effect on the Zeitgeist. Ever wonder how ideas that were discussed a few years back only at VDARE, AMREN, and even more radical sites, have steadily infiltrated the mainstream? This is how.

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