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Debate on the Northwest Imperative

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Edmund Connelly’s essay “Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet” at The Occidental Observer generated intense discussion. We have decided to continue and refine that discussion with a moderated debate. The primary focus of the debate will be the idea of the Northwest Imperative. A secondary focus will be Harold Covington’s writings about the Northwest Imperative, including the novels of his Northwest Quartet.

The basic rules of the debate are:

1. No ad hominem attacks are permitted, not even cute little asides. This is a debate about ideas, not personalities. If a comment has substance, I will edit out personal attacks. If personal attacks are the substance, I will delete the comment and ban the commenter.

2. Pen names are of course permitted, but multiple pen names (sock puppets) are not. If you start logging in under new names to agree with yourself, you will be exposed and banned. (I have no moral objections to sock puppets. But they contribute to an undisciplined, irresponsible, unserious atmosphere, and this is a serious debate.)

3. All the other rules of etiquette, logic, and fair play also apply and will be enforced.

4. All comments must be on topic. Off topic commentary will never see the light of day.

5. Should inappropriate comments slip by, debate participants have the recognized right not to answer them, citing these basic terms of debate, in order to keep the discussion moving forward.

You don’t need a familiarity with the Northwest Quartet to participate in this discussion, just good logic and good manners. However, by way of background, I am reprinting the following text from Harold Covington.

Fundamental Principles of Northwest Migration

H. A. Covington

French translation here

I. The White race in North America is in danger of literal, physical extinction. If current destructive demographic trends continue, White people will be a minority in the United States and Canada by the year 2050, and we will have vanished completely from North America by 2100. The real point of no return, however, is far closer. By the year 2020, the median AGE of the White population of North America will have become so high that we will no longer be capable of reproducing ourselves in sufficient numbers to overcome the tide of mud-colored Third World immigration.

II. We as a people have wasted the past six decades on pointless, futile, and impotent right-wing and kosher conservative organizations and strategies. The overwhelming majority of these past organizations and movements refused to recognize the vital central importance of race in all issues, and they refused to recognize the urgent need for state power in order to preserve the existence of our race. The few attempts which have been made to resist racial extinction by groups and personalities of an openly National Socialist or racialist nature have been led by men who were stupid, incompetent, dishonest, or some combination of all three. The result of the past sixty years of right-wing failure and impotence is that we are now out of time.

III. There is only one strategy remaining to us which may be able to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. Our last remaining hope to stave off extinction is the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation on the continent of North America for White people only.

IV. Considerations of demographics, economics, and a history of commitment and martyrdom in the persons of Bob Matthews, Sam and Vicky Weaver, and Richard Butler dictate that the territory for this sovereign Aryan republic must lie in the Pacific Northwest.

V. The first step towards the establishment of the Northwest American Republic is a mass migration of the existing racially aware White community to the states of Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. It is a matter of the utmost urgency that you make this vitally important commitment to the future of our people, that you do so now, and that you come to the Homeland with only the minimum delay necessary to raise sufficient funds and put your affairs in order.

I also recommend you look at three other pieces on this site:

So with that, ladies and gentlemen, don your thinking caps. Be patient, however. Since all comments need to be moderated, your thoughts might not appear immediately. So why not take the extra time before you send your comment to proofread it and decide if you can improve upon it or if it should even be published at all?

If this goes well, we might even make a slight dent in the internet’s madhouse, mosh pit atmosphere and show that online discussion can actually contribute to the development of serious ideas and political change.

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299 Comments

  1. Posted May 11, 2011 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    “Next step: Show regular whites we WN’s possess consistency of purpose, consistency of result, consistency of good deeds and good intentions, and consistency of WILL.”

    Mmmm…trouble is, Ward, we DON’T.

    I will level with all you guys: if I was 18 years old again, I would probably devote my life to creating a REAL White religion or philosophical movement similar to Stoicism, probably with a heavy dose of mysticism in order to remedy what I have come to learn is the primary problem we have–that of our own CHARACTER, or lack of it.

    There have been a couple of attempts along this line in the past, but they failed the basic requirement in that the founder or prophet or whatever of such a new religion or spiritual movement must be A) of Aryan race and birth; B) Sexually normal; and C)be of good character himself, with a closet free of skeletons. He must live a personal lifestyle that reflects the racial and moral values he professes to advocate. We haven’t come up with anybody yet who seems capable of doing that other than Commander Rockwell and myself. (No brag, ma’am, just fact.)

    I must admit I have always been fascinated by the new religion/philosophy for Whites idea; I just wish I had realized the importance of it before I was more or less locked into my own track record. I kicked around the idea in the late 1980s but the screams of the Goat Dancers were already such that I probably would not have been allowed to “re-invent myself”, as the saying goes.

    (In those days the Official Anti-Covington Obsession was with Frank Collin, ignoring of course the fact that I was the guy who in fact turned Collin in and sent him to prison, a fact which has been air-brushed out of the Goat Dancers’ official version.)

    Not that the Northwest Imperative isn’t the only remaining political and strategic way to go now–it is–but frankly it is not working anywhere nearly as well or as quickly as it should, because of our lack of CHARACTER. I am getting whines and excuses and “yes buts”, all of course tap tap tap tap tapped out on a computer keyboard in a comfortable basement rec room or study, when I should be getting packed U-Hauls and I should be seeing out-of-state license plates coming over the hill.

    I have never concealed the fact that this is our main problem with the Northwest Imperative–everybody wants to talk talk talk and tap tap tap on the keyboard about it, and yet no one is willing to GO FIRST until the picnic tables have been set up, the cakes and ale have been set out, and all the heavy lifting has been already done so they can just sashay on in and join the party.

    The thing is, Ward, I think you’re going to find that you will experience the same problem with those European Community Centers. I think that like the “PLEs” they will remain on the internet and have no existence at all in the real world, for many years.

    Another problem you will run into is that you MIGHT get somebody to donate an old barn or a mobile home on a couple of acres someplace–although these days, as poor as we are, even that’s a stretch–but it will be SO FAR OUT IN THE STICKS as to be useless. What we need are Party headquarters IN THE CITIES and other population centers WHERE THE WHITE PEOPLE ARE. (Sorry about all the caps; I can’t figure out how to get this format to italicize.)

  2. Posted May 11, 2011 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    In the following Radio Free Northwest I comment on the recent conviction of Edgar Steele. This is probably about as close as anyone dare press the envelope of what tattered shreds remain of our freedom of speech.

    http://northwestfront.org/2011/05/radio-free-northwest-may-12-2011/

  3. Lew
    Posted May 11, 2011 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    WK,

    The problem is money. The problem is always money. As I noted earlier in this conversation, WNists are never short on good ideas. But whether the idea is creating a serious White ADL, a White RT.com, running a credible political campaign, or implementing your excellent idea for a community center, the idea will never come to anything without money and professional help — which costs money. I know I’m just stating the obvious here. And the amounts required to do any of these things will be substantially more than can ever by raised by appeals to your typical middle/upper middle class WNist sympathizers.

    None of those things will ever happen through a volunteer effort either without physical
    proximity — which brings us right back to HACs idea of concentrating resources in the PNW.

    These various limitations are the reason I think “open source” software development is a horrible metaphor for WNist efforts to accomplish things IRL. Global geographic dispersion without physical proximity does not hinder open source programmers from doing what they need to do. For WNists, this not true.

  4. Posted May 10, 2011 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    WK,

    I would recommend what I have advised to blogger Tanstaafl. Change the black background of your website. Reading white letters against a black background is a pain to the eyes of the racially-conscious community.

    And yes: novels like Hold Back This Day deserve to reach the silver screen. I would love to film it if I had the proper resources.

  5. FWM
    Posted May 10, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    As Lew says below, we would need volunteer lawyers and accountants because within 3 months, America’s first Euro-American Community Center will have a pushpin on the $PLC’s “hate map.” Mark Potok will call his Hebraic friend at Channel 5, and will be broadcasting a special bulletin on the 5 o’clock news about America’s newest Neo-Nazi, Hate Camp, complete with Correspondent Heather Mudsharkey interviewing adolescents entering and business men leaving (“What goes on behind these doors…)

    The local foaming professor at the university will be interviewed about the how the Hitler Youth began in neighborhood community centers and the result was a country of naziswhowantstokillsixmillionjews.

    After several of us were fired or passed over for promotion, then the gynocracy will take over in our private lives, as we are hectored by our wives for bringing trouble into the home; how Miriam at Pilates no longer talks to the missus because of where you’re spending your free time.

    Obviously, I’m overstating, but perhaps Mr. Kendall can elaborate on how this sore thumb of America’s first Euro-American Community Center is not to stick out. Our foes have no shame and are never reticent in reaching and acting upon their conclusions.

    Mike

  6. Posted May 10, 2011 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Christian Identity Allies of Harold Covington — And Why

    Christian Identity holds that White people are the ‘lost’ ten (actually thirteen) tribes of Israel. The Dual-Seedline variant holds that there are two seed-lines, one good, through Adam-Noah-Abraham-Isaac-Jacob/Israel line, and the evil jews who are the spawn of Satan through Satan’s seduction of Eve, giving birth to Cain, the first jew. Then through Canaan, the son of Ham and Naamah, Tubal-cain’s sister. The sephardic jews are through Esau-Edom from Esau marrying two Hivite women. The Ashkenazi jews are from the Hittite Canaanites who got scattered by the ancient Galacians/Greeks around 1200 BC through to the Khazars, who got beaten by Prince Vladimir’s grandfather Stanislas around 900 AD. There has been a Genesis 3:15 enmity between the two seedlines for seven thousand years. (Septuagint dating as opposed to Maseortic dating.) The jews have infested the Adamites for 7,000 years and have set up numerous ZOG/Babylons to miscegenate away the Adamic/White race. We are living in ZOG/Babylon the Third — and Final.

    Thus I believe that it will be the Great Tribulation killing 90% of the whiggers, along with all of the jews and muds, which will be the salvation of the Christian Israelite people, not bringing about a Northwest Republic. However, trying for a NW Republic through revolution doesn’t in any way conflict with my religious beliefs because somebody has to rebel against ZOG/Babylon someplace, sometime, and thus Harold’s work doesn’t conflict with DSCI beliefs. ZOG/Babylon must be destroyed.

    So I am an ally of Harold Covington, although I don’t always agree with Harold. We agree 85% of the time and I have no oxen gored by Harold, although I’m not planning to move to the Northwest. I have property in South Dakota, where my family of Swedes originated here in America.

    I’m sort of in between web pages right now, thanks to a dirty little ARA mamzer pretending to be CI, along with two jews pretending to be DSCI pastors.

    I wish Harold would have specified that I live in Southwest Missouri (Granby/Neosho) near Joplin, Kansas, and Oklahoma as opposed to SouthEastern Missouri around Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, and Mississippi. Travelling them secondary roads over 300 miles across the Ozarks is out of the question. However, I am forwarding your message, to a woman who lives in your general area from Harold’s contact list.

    Hail Victory!!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
    http://spacemirror.net/lindstedt/lindstedt

  7. Lew
    Posted May 10, 2011 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    The people making the donations would have to form a corporation or other legal entity to buy the land and carry out the center’s activities. This way, once the lawsuits and legal harassment start, the usual suspects will only be able to seize the corporation’s assets and not anyone’s personal assets.

  8. Posted May 10, 2011 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    OK, but how would you respond to what Covington said today (see above)?:

    “Back in the day” we actually had wealthy and substantial supporters who owned property and buildings, and who had sufficient courage to let us use them. These days almost all of us seem to be living in rented rooms, and the few of us who do own their own property are usually unwilling to let us use their facilities, either because…

    Etc.

  9. Steve the Elder
    Posted May 10, 2011 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    The Butler compound was not rented yet SPLC cleaned him out and destroyed the enterprise. Every other such institution has failed, even if it required the founder’s death.

    The problem is not one of minutiae or organizational concepts, it is one of simple logistics. we are outnumbered by vicious bipeds who do not play nice, and they have the courts and the federal and state governments for muscle. There is no peaceful solution

    No insult intended but your concept of floating a clean WNist raft in a sea of enemy turds is sadly quite delusional

  10. FWM
    Posted May 10, 2011 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    I think you have me convinced. Consider what I once wrote to another gentleman who scolded be for being a Christian.

    Sam “Christianity is a Jewish cult.”
    Sam speaks about what he doesn’t understand, and without understanding the consequences of his ignorance. I would rather alienate Sam than the 4000 (100%) white members of my extremely conservative southern and reformed church. I have 40 million people who are in someway affiliated with my church. 98.5 % of them are white. They long ago stopped sending their money to Israel.
    The majority of them say the Apostle’s Creed every Sunday, sometimes holding hands with their fellow whites. Every one of them can recite the Lord’s Prayer. Sam doesn’t have a creed.
    Sam , and his shadowy friends use pseudonyms. My brothers proudly sign their name to the roster at the end of each pew when they enter the building. They include their contact info if a loved one is sick/hospitalized or just needs a dinner for someone they know that week. It doesn’t matter if that someone is a members of the church, the food will arrive with a warm smile and a handshake, at a minimum.
    Sam doesn’t have a white dollar. The brothers of my church give an average of $4000 zogbucks each year to my church. They give it in cash or checks, in little envelopes at the end of the service. They don’t sign their names. Little old ladies count up all the loot later that afternoon.
    In fact, each year, my brothers pledge this tremendous amount, and this is the only thing in the church that they do anonymously. It is considered a high honor for that monetary amount to be just between a brother and His God
    Sam doesn’t ever enter a room with that many whites (let alone every Sunday), unless he’s there to watch negroes chase a ball. Sam doesn’t have a church. In fact, he doesn’t really even have a cult.
    Sam is like one of the blind men in the room with the elephant.

    So oft in theologic wars,

    The disputants, I ween,

    Rail on in utter ignorance

    Of what each other mean,

    And prate about an Elephant

    Not one of them has seen!

    Open your eyes, white man!

    Mike

  11. Posted May 9, 2011 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    WK,

    It seems that all of my metaphors failed.

    By “Elois” as walking like zombies to the cannibal “Morlocks” I meant that whites are going straight to the path of extinction (something analogous to your novel); that they have no spine left: just how FWM described his patients above.

    “Island” and “archipelago”… I had in mind something that Covington has repeated over and over again in his radio podcasts: a kind of Beaver Cleavage (or something that sounds like that) all-white village, like the kind we saw in TV from the 1960s thru the early 70s. This image was the “bucolic island” of my metaphor. Covington has repeatedly said it won’t work, that ZOG would invade it as it invaded Texas, California and many other states (my “archipelago” metaphor).

    By the way, when I talked about “mental disorders” I didn’t have in mind any particular WN or commenter here. I was thinking of the suicide ethos in today’s white culture.

    Hope this clarifies a bit.

    Finally, since the first paragraph of my previous comment says “well said”, it gives the impression I was referring to JohnBeattie. Nope. I was referring to Steve the Elder (John posted it before me – his momentarily invisible comment appeared before as it was awaiting moderation).

  12. Steve the Elder
    Posted May 9, 2011 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Ward Kendall.. your assumption that a viable, visible WNist community center could be created, much less sustained is, sadly a mere fantasy here in ZOG-land.. it would be protested, harassed, terrorized and possibly burned down in short order by the antis. WNists cannot even meet at a rented facility oe room for one day without repercussions these days. If all that terror and harassment fails it would be sued into non existence after extreme provocations caused a “security over-reaction”, (real or fictitious) ALA the Butler incident. In the real world everything MUST be done without transparency, since our enemies will use that candid approach to destroy us. Haven’t you been paying attention to how badly the deck is stacked against us? We are not free, this is now a totalitarian nation run by our racial enemies and we had better wake up to that fast if we are to have any hope of success

    • Posted May 9, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

      And this is exactly why we must work together INTERNATIONALLY. Since we obviously cannot make it within our own borders, then we must do more than just internet. I.E., yes supporting across border wherever possible. In Western Canada/ USA this a bit easier. Meetings in homes and apartments over and over…..WITHOUT PUBLICITY…..if squealed upon, then on to another home/apartment. Key Core people are ready. Trusted Key Core people are ready. By meeting and tight knitting our network legally, but privately, perhaps more sparks willl be lit. Titles need not be accented at such. Just simply friends of the White Race, or whatever. Please not moan that if we cant make it in our own nation, how in hell would it work internationally. Stressing: there are enough core people in each white nation ….that if some of these core continue to meet and build, as often as is financially and whatever possible, then must build with what we have, and not what we wish for. Bird in hand worth two in the bush.

      britishpeoplesleague.com [email protected]

    • Posted May 9, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

      Well said. And with all due respect, what escapes me is how could someone write such an ultra-Orwellian novel where whites are compelled to miscegenate by force to the point of extinction while, at the same time, believe in a bucolic all-white island within an archipelago that’s actively genociding whites not in a novel, but in the real world. It reminds me of Arthur Conan Doyle whose Sherlock Holmes is the epitome of skepticism while, in real life, he believed in fairy tales (literally in fairy tales, no kidding).

      Harold’s way is the only way. The problem is not the Northwest imperative. The problem is that most whites have become nothing but zombied Eloi: fatted cattle to the Morlocks (Hunter Wallace and his ODers are extremely dishonest for not recognizing this with their “let’s go mainstream” stance). It is a mental health problem. That’s why finding out the basic etiology of our current mental disorder has become a kind of obsession for me.

      • FWM
        Posted May 9, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

        “It is a mental health problem. That’s why finding out the basic etiology of our current mental disorder has become a kind of obsession for me.”

        The red pill folk who now want to go mainstream do not have the maturity to recognize that it is a sin to receive the gift of insight and then choose to live a life with form, but no substance. It is as cruel of an existence for themselves (and their people) as is the White climber in the ruling Judæo-Liberal Orthodoxy.

        My obsession is to gear those of us devoted to the 14 words, to reconcile our hearts so as to be the superlative “first responders” in recognizing those in our extended family who have a favorable prognosis from this “mental disorder.”

        Furthermore, this is a hard enough job without having those amongst us crapping out and drawing unwarranted and false dichotomies. We must not only be spiritual guides with our words and our deeds, but possess the wisdom and fortitude to PUT INTO PRACTICE that with which we spend so much time arguing: We aren’t all equal, and we must be shrewd harvesters, gathering the right fruit and turning away from the bad.

        This is why I have so little patience with those that mock this process by making their choices out of the banal, selfish concern to wave their personal freak flag, rather than hoisting the flag of their people. In fact, in a movement nearly rendered useless from infighting, besides the traitor, the individual most justly deserving of admonishment and banning, is the selfish divider who purports to care about the 14 words, but whose true concern is quantity, self-aggrandizement. How effortless and average. The people who make this happen won’t have either of those aptitudes.

        This whole process may seem too theoretical and irrelevant, with so many gates we have to first enter, but I think it is relevant now; who do reach out towards? We spend much time crafting the message, which is a passive process. Aren’t we also called to engage in an active process of finding, picking, and kicking?

        Consider an email I sent to HAC as a RFN question to be answered on his show:

        The short version: How will the white Republic separate the wheat from the chaff?

        I recall from one of the Northwest novels the stream of cars leaving via Interstate 5 but also a stream of cars coming into the newly created Northwest Republic. We both know of the latecomer phenomenon, how there will thousands (if not millions) of whites who will be keen to see the tide turn towards the revolutionaries. These will be the destroyed, opportunistic, cowardly, and slothful. They may want into the Republic, but we certainly don’t want them, or at least I don’t want them.

        I have listened to each of your podcasts, sometimes several times. You have addressed having compassion and mercy for whites that have been decimated by ZOG. Though it is nice to think of our spokesman as a man of compassion, I am of the belief that their is a healthy limit to this form of “mercy of the heart.” I remind you that as a physician, I see daily the detritus of a society that has spent three generations destroying a birthright. Seldom do I see truly hostile liberals or Jews; however, close to a majority of white folks that I do see are so demoralized, so bereft of knowledge, wisdom, and integrity, that they exist only to suck resources from a society they can not even begin to understand. They are unable to think in any way that is helpful to themselves or to others. They may have IQs approaching 100, but, in effect, are retarded.

        I suppose a small proportion will be able to be rehabilitated. But what of the rest? We are talking about close to 100 million whites in North America alone that fit this description. I cannot think of a greater handicap to a nascent republic than the millstone of a retarded population around our collective necks. Of course, they will be clamoring from the first possible minute to get into this great, new and promising thing, like a toddler stumbling towards something shiny. Will there be entrance exams?

        Mike

        • Steve the Elder
          Posted May 10, 2011 at 9:00 am | Permalink

          Excellent points. I agree wholeheartedly. Precedent was clearly set on this very continent at the time of and the aftermath to the American Revolution. The “Whigs” were the fervent and freedom minded revolutionaries and the “Tories” were the Crown Loyalists and traitors to the cause. The Founders (although some pleaded for it) failed to either eliminate or deport most Tories, leaving their negative DNA here like ticking time bombs. Yes, I strongly believe there is a genetic component to this, even within our own race. Wheat and chaff indeed, aside from my Identity beliefs in this arena which tell me that many of our race are chaff, empirical evidence.. history and current events prove it without a doubt

          We need a serious vetting process to weed out the worthless, the traitors, the genuine and obvious moral defectives. I would that we be far more kind to physical defectives (as long as they were not allowed to procreate) than I would be to moral defectives. It is a disease of the soul and perhaps of the very DNA, and the very seeds of doom planted in every new nation

          In my world Force 101 would be only the beginning.. much more would need to be done in the future to clean out the diseased members.. it could be done via simple deportations back to the cesspool where they belong. After one or two generations there would be little to no need to continue the practice..

          Please, I beg you all to purchase this book (it’s a cheap used paperback and an amazing value) which is the actual letters of the actors in the American Revolution. You will discover that the Founders faced the exact same issues we will face! Fail to learn history and you will repeat it!

          http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Seventy-Six-Henry-Steele-Commager/dp/0785814639/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305043073&sr=1-1

  13. Posted May 9, 2011 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    My podcasts are an attempt to establish the type of open “McDonalds” style communication and propaganda Mr. Kendall describes. The problem is that NO ONE KNOWS THEY ARE THERE. We’re stuck at about 4,000 hits per week and have been for a long time. The fact is that our “community,” even online, is effing TINY, and we simply don’t seem to be able to break out of the bubble.

    Give me a million listeners to Radio Free Northwest every week (WHITE listeners) and I’ll give you a revolution.

  14. Fourmyle of Ceres
    Posted May 8, 2011 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Ward:

    Long overdue!

    Two quick comments:

    One, “So, what’s the answer, then?”

    For a total Racial war: “All Of The Above.”

    There is no inconsistency between you and Covington; he defines the temporal bridge to the metapolitical project, with plenty of room for all approaches to the One Problem.

    Two, we require a “plan of action, (un)burdened by the failed iconography and symbols of the past.”

    Plan: Transformation of self, family and society in preparation for joining and building the Northwest Republic. See VNN/F’s “Hugh’s” thread, “A Better World.”

    What’s In YOUR Future?

    Focus Northwest

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted May 9, 2011 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

      1. “All approaches” – America began with two Approaches – religious families at Plymouth Rock, businessmen in Jamestown. Neither could have imagined what America would

      2. Northwest Migration begins in the Mind, with cultural separation. The qualities of Character required complements this, and the numbers of the RIGHT people will follow. Example: Brigham Young.

      3. Your site idea is fascinating! Some ideas to follow.

      4. E. Michael Jones described the “ethnic cleansing” of the first PLE’s, ethnic city neighborhoods. Divided by ethnicity, conquered by (another) Race. “A Nation, Not A Neighborhood.”

      More to follow.

      What’s In YOUR Future?

      Focus Northwest

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted May 9, 2011 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

      5. A meeting place? How about a Community Center, linked to a Church? (Like the Jews, temples with Jewish Community Centers.) All linked to a New Christianity, melded with Traditionalism? A new Priesthood, based on Pagan Masculinism? Using christianseparatist.org’s “Anointed Standard” Bible? Kinism?

      Look to the Witnesses for an expansion model, and the Mormons for Masculine Hierarchical Organization.

      Our own Nation, our own Homeland our own Religion, all supporting our Race, on OUR terms.

      No more Lucy’s Rules Football, no more Charlie Brown.

      More to follow.

      What’s In YOUR Future?

      Focus Northwest

      • Posted May 10, 2011 at 9:58 am | Permalink

        Regarding the “why not a church?” question, etc. I should point out that one of the main problems the Movement has these days is finding anybody who OWNS ANY PROPERTY, and who is willing to help. This is one of the reasons that we constantly have to fall back on the ultimate rite-wing abomination, the rented motel banquet room.

        “Back in the day” we actually had wealthy and substantial supporters who owned property and buildings, and who had sufficient courage to let us use them. These days almost all of us seem to be living in rented rooms, and the few of us who do own their own property are usually unwilling to let us use their facilities, either because they are terrified of lawsuits from Morris Dees that might cause them to lose their precious assets and material wealth, or else because the character and behavior of “our” people is so abysmal that normal people don’t want us on their property and don’t what us knowing where they live.

        Sorry, guys. I know most Movement people want to shoot the messenger when I say these things, but what can I tell you? This is the reality we face and this is what we have to overcome.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted May 9, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

      6. Focus and Effectiveness.

      We have the metapolitical project.

      The Northwest Republic is its temporal manifestation.

      Nations are built on people, and better nations require need better people, who start where they are, and MAKE THEMSELVES better in conscious service of this higher purpose.

      The examples of Switzerland, and Singapore, are illustrative.

      The examples used by VNN/F’s “Hugh’s” “A Better World” thread, are perfect for us, for now.

      COMPREHENSION: The most effective, powerful nations in history are the Roman Catholic Church, and the Jews.

      We can learn from this.

      More to follow.

      What’s In YOUR Future?

      Focus Northwest

  15. Posted May 8, 2011 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Link doesn’t work.

  16. Posted May 4, 2011 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    [Okay, I mentioned the Weird Aryan History series during the Great Debate on Counter-Currents.org and some people expressed interest in receiving this series of 56 individual e-mails. This is the original article I sent out in ’05. Please read it carefully and check out my 2007 comments at the end. – HAC]

    June 24th, 2005

    The Weird Aryan History Series

    Greetings,

    Okay, I have been advised henceforth to avoid the use of humor in my posts. Apparently it’s going over some of your heads.

    I have also been advised to explain everything clearly, concisely, and simply, since apparently some of you are confused. So let me start by explaining the concept of a “Weird Aryan History” series.

    Someone once said that Americans are a people without a past. I once saw a statistic to the effect that less than 50% of Americans (meaning White Americans) can name all four of their grandparents (I mean actually name them: Grandpa and Mee-Maw don’t count) and less than ten percent could name more than one great-grandparent. Many Americans confuse the Korean War with World War Two. Something like 30% of reporters in the Gulf War did not know there had been a World War One, although you’d think the designation of World War Two might have tipped them off that there was a previous version floating around somewhere. (True story.)

    We as a people have no idea where we’ve been, so it’s no wonder we have no idea where we’re going.

    My Weird Aryan History series is an attempt to remedy that, to inform White Nationalists of some of the more interesting events in the history of our people and let them know that yes, in fact there were Aryan events going on before the time of cowboys and Indians, which is as far back as most Americans have any historical awareness at all.

    Beyond a highly inaccurate movie version of the Wild West, some Americans have a vague impression of the Civil War (some re-enactors are downright anal about the 1861-1865 period to the exclusion of the other 3000-odd years of Western civilization, just like some National Socialists can recite a day by day history of the Third Reich from 1933 to 1945 and nothing else at all.)

    There is a dimmer impression in a few consciousnesses of George Washington crossing the Delaware, and guys in white wigs signing something in 1776, and beyond that there’s Elmer Fudd in Puritan dress, wearing a cartoon steeple-crown hat and carrying a blunderbuss, hunting turkeys for Thanksgiving (nobody in the 17th or 18th centuries hunted with a blunderbuss) while having run-ins with Bugs Bunny. For 99% of Americans, that’s it.

    Now, in addition to being a people with amnesia, we are also a very sleazy people, as the current pre-occupation with Court TV and assorted media hyped crap indicates, from Scott Peterson to Natalee Holloway. Fine, I’m sleazy too. So I will be selecting all kinds of weird, wonderful, violent, bloody, bizarre, and ghastly stuff from the history of our race and presenting it for our own little tabloid show here on the internet. I started off last night with the mystery of the Princes in the Tower.

    These articles will in fact be mostly fairly long and detailed and you will have to dust off the old attention span and give it a good workout to read and understand most of them, but I will try to intersperse short little Aryan factoids as well. I think this will actually be a kind of entertaining project, something to occupy myself while waiting for the lights to go out, and something many of you will appreciate. If you don’t, there’s always the old delete button.

    Okay, are we clear on what the Weird Aryan History Series is and why? We do know that there is a purpose to it and it’s not just Harold losing his marbles? Good.

    -HAC

    ===============================

    [2007] I did sixty-some odd articles in the series. A few of you loved it. Most of you–well, it was pretty obvious most of you just considered the series one of HAC’s little eccentricities, and didn’t even bother to read them.

    That always saddened and disappointed me. I don’t understand why I could never seem to get any traction with this. I mean, I just don’t get it. How can anyone not be fascinated with all this stuff?

    Anyway, to counter all this Black History Month crap, I am going to re-transmit the complete Aryan History Series, roughly two or three per day, so this will probably take about a month. It will give you guys some great entertainment, which seems to be largely what many of you are looking for.

    However, I won’t load up your e-mail boxes with stuff you’re just going to politely ignore and delete. If you want to receive this series, let me know. I’ll give it a couple of days for everybody who wants on the Aryan History List to let me know. I need to warn you, though..some of these articles are pretty long, especially the first two, “The Princes In The Tower” and “The Wild Donnellies.”

    No, history did not begin with Amurrica. Yes, our race does have a past other than WWII and the Civil War and the cowboys.

    Want to find out about it? Let me know at [email protected] and I’ll put you on the Weird Aryan History Series list.

    88!
    HAC

  17. Posted May 4, 2011 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    The latest Radio Free Northwest is now available for download at

    http://northwestfront.org/2011/05/radio-free-northwest-may-5th-2011/

    I discuss the Hal Turner case and concerns that I am a “ZOG agent,” so this may have some relevance to the OO BS.

    • Posted May 4, 2011 at 11:46 am | Permalink

      @ “so this may have some relevance to the OO BS”

      Perhaps you meant “OD [Occidental Dissent] BS”? (OO, The Occidental Observer, on the other hand, is a sane WN site).

      And BTW thanks for your podcast on NS principles a couple of weeks ago.

      • Posted May 4, 2011 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

        Sorry, that was unclear. My bad. I meant all the hootin’ and hollerin’ in the comments section of my Occidental Observer review by the GUBU crew.

  18. Lew
    Posted April 21, 2011 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    HAC,

    I am really enjoying Radio Free Northwest. This week was great. Last week was good too.

    You are doing great work with this series on WNist history. I don’t follow the British scene too closely, so I had never heard of Sir Oswald Mosley. Very interesting stuff.
    And Father Coughlin was an incredible speaker. It’s hard to believe he once had an audience of 30,000,000 people.

    • Posted April 22, 2011 at 8:41 am | Permalink

      Lew and others:

      I have a 56-installment “Weird Aryan History” series I send out periodically. Anyone who wants to receive it, e-mail me at [email protected]

      -HAC

  19. Posted April 20, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Is it just my computer messing up, or are some of the posts that were here no longer up?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 20, 2011 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

      It is all there.

  20. Jesse
    Posted April 20, 2011 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Greetings
    I support the Northwest Migration. To me its a numbers game.Blacks & browns are reproducing faster than we are. We are barely haveing enough children to maintain our current population, if that.

    • Christopher Monti
      Posted April 21, 2011 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

      “Blacks and browns are reproducing faster than we are”

      So what? They’re also killing each other faster than we are.

      “We are barely having enough children to maintain our current population, if that.”

      No, thoughout the entirety of our existence, white people have always maintained small, strong family units. The white baby-booms of the colonial period, industrial revolution, and middle 20th-century were unique reactions to the introduction into, or presence of, a new frontier to grow into, be it a untouched continent or new way of life (ex: American suburban middle-class). White families continue to exist in healthy enough numbers to sustain our race for the forseable future. The obvious threat, is from hostile, alien races competing for our own vital resources in our own lands.

      Blacks and other non-white races reproduce in large numbers because one 1.) They biologically lack the impulse control to restrain their sexual urges, 2.) They care little for their offspring, which incindentally, are already adapted to being left to their own devices, having been born with predatory instincts that whites must later develop from experience, and 3.) STUPID, ARROGANT, SHORT-SIGHTED WHITE PEOPLE KEEP FEEDING AND HOUSING THEM.

      There is no point in huddling togethor somewhere and purposely attempting to breed ourselves into excess numbers, which is against our nature anyway, in the hopes that it might put demographics in our favor. I would much rather do something about THEM (you know who I’m talking about), in my lifetime, than create a new generation to shoulder the burden. And that brings me to something that I posed in my first post here, but was edited out by the moderators. I don’t think I’m being out of line in bringing this up, and I would like it given the chance for Mr. Covington to address it:

      In the mythos of the Northwest Quartet, the tipping point for hostilities, the “first revolutionary shot” so to speak, came when government agents tried to steal some white children from their family. It is no secret that those novels are being posited, however loosely, as the model for a real-life revolutionary movement (see Covington’s repeated use of the term ‘colonial struggle’.). So am I being outrageous in suspecting that ‘the plan’ might just be, white folks all move northwest, have lotsa’ purdy white babies, (and that’s not being inflammatory — Mr. Covington has even said as much, not in those exact words, on his podcasts) and hope that at some point in the distant future they might become some kind of bait for an overzealous, degenerate U.S. government? If there actually is some other course of action in mind, and I do hope there is, I would really like to hear it.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 21, 2011 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

        Chris: I would much rather do something about THEM ….

        Exactly WHAT do you propose to “do?”

        How is it anything but the triumph of impotent entertainment versus the conquest of political effectiveness?

        We have more than fifty years of everything that DOESN”T work, all doing more good for our Enemies than for us.

        Why isn’t the energy better spent defining and creating a better life for your Posterity in 2050, in the Northwest Republic?

        What would make your grandchildren really proud of what YOU DID FOR THEM, Charlie Brown?

        Focus Northwest

      • Jesse
        Posted April 25, 2011 at 7:24 am | Permalink

        Were are you from? When, before the 1960’s in America, did we have small families? I am the youngest of seven, born in 1964. Our family was by no means the largest in the county, nor unusual for its size.

        I fully agree with the three points you make. But the fact remains that our birthrate has declined steeply.

  21. Trainspotter
    Posted April 19, 2011 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    F of C: “Above all, the Northwest Republic offers an overarching theme, building from our Families, outward, to the Racial Homeland, and UPWARDS, to the Stars.”

    Well, I think one of the best things about the PNW idea is that it’s something that people can wrap their minds around. I still maintain the criticisms that I’ve made in this thread, which pretty much boil down to the PNW idea not reflecting the balance of forces, and not being a viable end point (though perhaps a viable starting point?).

    But the full truth, the real reality of our situation, is not something that is easy to swallow. It all seems so impossible (though of course, even in the last couple of decades all sorts of “impossible” things in fact happened).

    Whereas breaking off a few states, comparatively speaking, may seem doable, or at least much more doable. Since whatever happens has to be done by real human beings, and since those human beings have to be able to wrap their minds around the task at hand, well, that’s all in the PNW’s favor.

    Over all, and I suppose opinions will vary, it seems to me that the effect of this debate has been to, in a sense, legitimize the PNW idea. Even the criticisms, including those of yours truly, treated the PNW idea as legitimate. So, on the whole, I would think you guys would be fairly satisfied with the outcome.

  22. Trainspotter
    Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Chechar: “This should be a source of major concern. It reminds me Covington’s term “GUBU” (Grotesque, Unbelievable, Bizarre, Unprecedented) freaks among some white nationalists.”

    You’re right. Unfortunately, due to the open source nature of our struggle, we can’t exclude the kooks entirely. But we should do what we can.

    One reason I’ve posted here at Counter-Currents, other than the general high quality of the site, is that Greg Johnson moderates comments. As I get more time, i’ll probably start posting again at some other sites as well, but I’ve got to tell you, I’m liking the kook free zone. Whatever one may think of the disagreements at hand, it’s been handled in a way that should be a net positive for white nationalism in the eyes of any curious onlookers. That’s a good thing. I’ve grown weary of taking time that I can ill afford to contribute to threads that end up as nothing but kook/troll infested embarrassments.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 19, 2011 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

      Thanks. I look forward to your future comments.

    • JR in Chicago
      Posted April 20, 2011 at 7:18 am | Permalink

      Agreed.

      The moderators here have done a good job of moderating the comments section.

  23. Lew
    Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Trainspotter:

    until we’ve managed to spread our ideas further into the white population, most nuts and bolts plans are going to achieve very limited success. Until we prepare the ground, not much will grow in it.

    We are in a certain stage right now (idea spreading), and we aren’t going to be able to skip it

    Spreading ideas to “prepare the ground” is a nice metaphor, and I get your point, and I’m not disputing your point. But i think we need to remember that metaphors are a poor substitute for rigorous argument. 

    You said that the various “nuts and bolts” plans are likely to fail or achieve only modest success until we spread the right ideas. While this is certainly true, it’s also true for spreading ideas because spreading ideas is itself a plan with a “nuts and bolts” component. 

    And when you take this notion of spreading ideas out of the realm of metaphor, it’s a plan that crumbles under scrutiny at a practical level very quickly just like every other “nuts and bolts” plan.

    So what does this notion of spreading ideas, art, a mythic vision or whatever mean at a practical level? 

    Who? When? How? Which ideas? Which art? What literature? Which myths? Greg’s ideas? KMD? Duke? Arno Breker? Paganism? Orthodox Christianity? Bob Whittaker? James Edwards? Some artistic vision not even invented yet but that might work if some artist invents it and we find a way to spread it without the benefit of mass media?

    You see, just as there is no consensus on micro communities, infiltration, politics and these other “nuts and bolts” plans, there is no consensus on which ideas to spread and there never will be. 

    Let’s generously assume that there are 100,000 racially conscious White folks in the country committed enough to make a concerted daily and relentless effort to spread the pro-White ideas they deem important. 

    OK, so right away you’ve run into a serious problem in that 100,000 people will be spreading a mass of ideas that while pro-White in a general way, will also be largely inconsistent and confused (because no consensus will exist on which ideas are important enough to spread). 

    Furthermore, these 100,000 people  will not have the benefit of mass media; what they will have is the power of word of mouth and personal interaction within their immediate peer circle and the Internet. 

    So let’s assume all 100,000 of these people are working constantly and diligently through word of mouth, linking pro-White videos on Facebook and You Tube, blasting Whittaker’s ideas in newspaper comments, driving traffic to CC and TOO, promoting the A3P as a form of metapolitics and doing every other thing that you mentioned. With 100,000 (purely hypothetical) people doing all of that, it will definitely have an effect. But whatever effect it may have will be no match for Hollywood, mass education and mass media blasting propaganda 24/7/365 to 310,000,000 people, while the power structure also continues to grind Whites down.

    Meanwhile, the tide of color will continue to rise. And the US federal government might or might not weaken.

    Again, I would reiterate I am not disputing the vital necessity of preparing the soil by every one of us doing as often as possible everything that you suggested. But there is little real evidence this approach has any greater chances of success than HACs hypothetical PNW insurgency.

    Similar objections can be raised against other weak metaphors as well that sound good but lack specificity such as let 1000 flowers bloom and the notion that WNist efforts are akin to open source software development.  

    I’m not trying to be a wise guy. That’s just how I shake out on the  “spreading ideas” alternative to HACs plan. Reasonable people can certainly disagree. 

    Anyway, this will probably be my last comment until Mr. Covington returns to answer the many objections that have piled up here. 

    • Trainspotter
      Posted April 19, 2011 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

      Lew, spreading ideas is not a metaphor. It’s simply a stage that any revolutionary movement has to go through. If you can figure out a way for us to skip it, then by all means, clue me in. But if you can’t, I’ll go by my understanding of the historical process, what I have observed in my own life, and what makes sense to me on an intuitive level.

      How does any successful movement spread its ideas? There is no single answer to that. If you look historically at how such ideas spread, it is through a wide variety of means. So yes, it is “open source,” and that’s not really a metaphor either. That’s not dressing it up or playing games. It’s just how it is – unless and until some super wealthy benefactor steps in and funds everything in massive quantities – within HIS guidelines, of course. Until then, it’s going to come down to individuals and small groups trying things that they hope will be effective. Some will work, others will bomb. You gonna control all of these independent actors? Of course not. So yes, it’s open source. That’s just a fact, not a flowery phrase.

      I’m describing a certain process. So leave the metaphors out if you wish, they are handy but not necessary.

      Study the history of successful revolutionary movements. They used the tools at hand.

      Right now, we have an obvious tool that they didn’t – the internet. We’ll see, but I think the internet is proving to be at least somewhat of a match for the mass media. It may still be David versus Goliath, but at least Goliath has an opponent today in a way that he really didn’t not so long ago. The internet is still in its infancy, and just because it hasn’t delivered a white homeland to us in a pretty blue ribbon doesn’t mean that it will prove insignificant. It’s an obvious tool for people in our situation to use. You don’t seem to believe that it will be decisive. I disagree. We’ll see who’s right in time.

      As to the issue of consensus, that too will arise in time (at least somewhat), IF we are successful in spreading our ideas sufficiently. At a certain point, once enough people have embraced the idea of white survival (what’s “enough?” Like porn, we’ll know it when we see it), it is likely that some organizational efforts WILL start working. We can’t know at this time which one will stand out from the rest, but it is likely that one will. Maybe it will be a new David Duke. Maybe it will be something along the lines of the PNW. Who knows? A lot of that will depend on who does the best job of spreading their particular “subset” of the broader white nationalist idea. Right now, Covington has done more in that department than most due to the high quality of his fiction. That’s the only reason anybody gives a damn at all about the PNW idea – Covington breathed some life into it, and made it attractive.

      You want specific answers in an enterprise where, currently, there aren’t any. That doesn’t mean that it’s all a joke, or all bs. It’s just the nature of the beast.

      As a former libertarian activist, I have to say that a lot of purported white nationalists absolutely amaze me. Was there conflict and discord in the libertarian movement? Of course – tons of it and all the time. Libertarians probably compete nicely with white nationalists even in the kook quotient, though I suspect WN have them ultimately beat. But there was one thing in libertarian circles that I don’t remember EVER being argued: the necessity of spreading the libertarian message. That was a given. Of course, we all wanted our particular strain of libertarianism spread, but there was also an understanding that fellow travellers were helpful. There just wasn’t the internecine slaughter that so characterizes the white nationalist scene, at least not among the rank and file.

      Whether it was the CATO Institute or the Libertarian Party, or just a college group, everybody did what they could to spread the ideas. How did it ultimately play out? Well, so far, its highest manifestation has been in Ron Paul and Rand Paul, and to a certain extent the Tea Party itself (corrupted by another group that has been tireless in promoting their, neocons).

      Did we envision such a thing 20 years ago? Nope. I don’t think a single libertarian would have guessed that the biggest break would come in….Kentucky. Who’d a thunk it? We considered Alaska and New Hampshire, places like that. But that’s just not the way it worked out.

      You can also learn a lot from ordinary conversations on the street. Twenty years ago, libertarian was a “weird” word. Many people thought libertarians were Larouchies, or just libertines. Back then, you never ran into random people describing themselves as libertarian. Now, it happens all the time. From weirdo Larouchie to semi-respectable and almost hipster. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.

      Lew, the best thing I can tell you: get comfortable with the unknown, dude. That’s not a cop out either. The job of today is crystal clear. Spread the message. How? However you can. The rest will reveal itself in time.

      Things are speeding up to the point where I doubt we’ll be in suspense for all that much longer. Could be wrong, but things look to be coming to a head over the next decade or so, maybe two. Enjoy the ride.

      • Posted April 19, 2011 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

        @ “There just wasn’t the internecine slaughter that so characterizes the white nationalist scene, at least not among the rank and file.”

        This should be a source of major concern. It reminds me Covington’s term “GUBU” (Grotesque, Unbelievable, Bizarre, Unprecedented) freaks among some white nationalists. For example, why WN Corey Nash betrayed John Corbett’s column, “the largest and most efficient single combat unit in the NVA” is the plot of one of the Quartet novels. It is true that, as an intuitive psychologist, I expect this sort of behavior in all radical-departure movements, as is white nationalism. But treason is still very disturbing.

        Beware of the Nashes…

        Quartet fiction aside, did a WN kill Commander Rockwell?

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted April 19, 2011 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

          Chechar:

          Good analysis.

          Historically, WNists operated in silos – various Klans here, NA there, NS/Brownshirts here, nativists there.

          Each operated from the top down, with all information and resources going to the top. Information down to the rank and file was limited. Control was assured.

          Thus, loyalty was to the organization – using THAT term loosely – and, by extension, the Leader.

          We were divided, and conquered, silo after silo.

          The Internet crosses the boundaries of silos, and information.

          Above all, the Northwest Republic offers an overarching theme, building from our Families, outward, to the Racial Homeland, and UPWARDS, to the Stars.

        • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

          “Quartet fiction aside, did a WN kill Commander Rockwell?”

          TECHNICALLY, according to the official version of events, Rockwell was indeed killed by “one of his own men.” However, like the JFK assassination, there are a lot of odd little bits and pieces that don’t fit into the official version and which have been swept under the rug.

          Neither the time nor the place to get into this, but put it this way–in my own mind, the jury is still out.

    • Wandrin
      Posted April 20, 2011 at 3:32 am | Permalink

      Lew,

      “So let’s assume all 100,000 of these people are working constantly and diligently…But whatever effect it may have will be no match for Hollywood, mass education and mass media blasting propaganda 24/7/365 to 310,000,000 people, while the power structure also continues to grind Whites down.”

      As you say, WNs trying to spread ideas and information generally haven’t been able to compete with mass media and educational conditioning. There are a lot of possible explanations. I believe at least part of it is the weight people give to ideas and information is proportional to the moral authority of the source and the media and education sources are trusted and we aren’t.

      However given that the multicult is entirely built on lies, double standards and internal contradictions it doesn’t actually take much to undermine that moral authority if you focus on relentlessly targeting the double standards. If the moral authority of the mass media and education system is reduced to zero (like it was in the USSR) then the weight given to their ideas and information is reduced to zero also. At that point the samizdat idea-spreaders can win.

      The BUGS thing is mostly about that (at least that’s how i use it) and i doubt it would take more than a 1000 people dedicated solely to attacking the multicult 24/7 to bring the whole thing down because if you take all the internal contradictions out of the multicult there’s nothing left.

      (I’m not saying it’s enough on its own. It’s the equivalent of the standard movie scene where the cops are raiding a house and there’s a guy with a ram who busts the door down. BUGS or BUGS-style activism is the guy with the ram.)

      • Lew
        Posted April 23, 2011 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

        The “singularity2050” author proposes placing fliers at high traffic urinals to create viral Internet campaigns and drive traffic to subversive web sites. I know that must sound ridiculous, but I think he has hit on an excellent idea here. Although his focus is on undermining the moral authority of the feminist regime, his ideas would work against the Multi-Cult too. This article is worth the 10 minutes IMO.

        http://www.singularity2050.com/2011/01/the-time-has-arrived.html

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

      “I’m not trying to be a wise guy. That’s just how I shake out on the ”spreading ideas” alternative to HACs plan. Reasonable people can certainly disagree.

      Anyway, this will probably be my last comment until Mr. Covington returns to answer the many objections that have piled up here. ”

      I apologize for the hiatus. Not just making excuses, guys, but I am in the rather unusual position for a White Nationalist of having multiple projects that need my attention, at least half of them in the real, non-internet world. The debate here seemed to be dying down and I slacked off for a bit. Again, my apologies.

  24. Lew
    Posted April 18, 2011 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Steve the Elder,

    You make a great point that can’t be said often enough. The clock is running, and the tide of color continues to rise. I do agree with you that HACs critics keep ignoring this basic factor. Beyond a certain point, it will be too late to do anything. Getting into the particulars of these various ideas makes it very easy to miss the forest for the trees. People have said it that would be easy for the US military to crush a PNW insurgency. While this is probably true, in the context of the looming demographic avalanche, the regime will probably have an even easier time rounding up and killing individual and small groups of White dissidents. Given that White dissidents will be dispersed all over the country running around atomistically surrounded by non-Whites, they will be very easy pickings.

    There is no clear answer here. Every idea seems to have serious and fatal flaws. I think we are going to need to catch a break at some point. Someone high up in the ruling class with a lot of money, power and influence might have to break ranks for Whites to have a chance.

    • Posted April 18, 2011 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

      “Someone high up……a lot of money….” . To me $$ is the missing link. We do not need to have someone with power, or influence. The power and influence in today’s world means tainted crap. BUT the money would do the trick. In “our” circles, and am using the “our” here very loosely, there are top quality people. Absolute top quality. How else could you be a responsible & serious White Advocate if you were not top quality.
      Within our circles are people that can run rings around those currently holding power. Just give us the tools, and we will do the job. With loot given now, the core cadres in each city can be visited and stirred to even higher levels. Confidence draws. Ask any woman what she admires best about her man. When whites in general see we have complete confidence to the point of arrogance, they will flock to our cause. There will not be a need for any enclaves. There are thousands upon thousands of us “out there”. All that is missing is big money. Just watch us. The money will come sooner than we think. Promise !

      • Lew
        Posted April 18, 2011 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

        John Beattie:

        To me $$ is the missing link…All that is missing is big money.

        I agree 100%. WNists are never short on excellent ideas. We see it all the time across the WNist blogophere.

        Racially aware folks are always saying “we need to do this, we need to do that, we should this, we should try that, if only we did this” and so on, over and over and over again.

        99 times out of 100 it’s an excellent idea but one that requires physical proximity and money. Greg’s idea of creating a White American community center is a perfect example of this. It’s an outstanding idea that will never get off the ground without money and proximity.

        Greg has also said (and I’m paraphrasing) “we are a tiny, despised, powerless and broke minority that attracts dysfunction and shoots itself in the foot by not demanding high quality leaders with integrity” — or something like that. That’s probably all true, but with big money the dysfunction does not matter. You can simply hire professionals to create the community center or the WNist version of RT.com and bypass the dysfunction.

        So yeah, I agree. Big money would make a lot of presently intractable problems vanish overnight.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 18, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

        John:

        You wrote:

        All that is missing is big money. Just watch us. The money will come sooner than we think. Promise !

        “Big money” is nice.

        A lot oflittle money, sent to counter-currents, is just as good; Hell, maybe better, as it depends on us doing what we CAN do, starting where we are.

        That is the key to effectiveness.

  25. Wandrin
    Posted April 18, 2011 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    Lew,
    ” it’s not clear to me if Duke is putting forward this idea as a serious proposal, or if he is suggesting something he knows very well to be impossible for rhetorical and emotional effect. Still, I’m wondering if anyone thinks this idea is feasible and if so how would it be done?”

    This kind of thing is standard in homogenous countries. If you can get a political movement going that threatens the power structure then eventually the power structure will attack it. If that political movement has enough support then it will have support inside the security forces too and if there’s enough then they’ll hold back from attacking and the regime crumbles. The revolutions among the old Warsaw Pact countries followed this pattern. You need some kind of mass movement first of course.

    There’s an additional problem in a multi-ethnic context because if there was a White mass movement they felt threatened by and they didn’t think the White element of the security forces were reliable they’d try and create a non-white force they could use to kill us.

    • Steve the Elder
      Posted April 18, 2011 at 11:57 am | Permalink

      Of course they will use the non whites against us. HAC covered that in his novels. So what.. we are better fighters in every sense of the word

      Is the solution to wait until our numbers drop even further and more darkies flood into our land?

  26. Wandrin
    Posted April 18, 2011 at 3:30 am | Permalink

    “We need to hope for some piece of North America as we will never get all or most of America from sea to shining sea.”

    I would never say never. When the Jews brought the Moors into Spain and the Spanish were pushed back to their northernmost mountains they never gave up on getting it all back eventually. I’m not convinced American-Americans won’t be able to get it all back as the US crumbles but even if there was a tactical retreat “all of it” needs to remain the end goal and by “all of it” i mean South America too.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 18, 2011 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

      Wandrin:

      What was the metapolitical framework that kept the Castilian Aristocracy focused, disciplined and relentless for centuries?

      Where can we get it?

      Thanks.

      Focus Northwest

      • Wandrin
        Posted April 19, 2011 at 7:25 am | Permalink

        Well the first step would be a rule saying “never say never” or a slogan “all of it” which doesn’t specify what it means but acts as a permanent reminder.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 19, 2011 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

        Wandrin:

        I think it was the Duty of (Western) Christian Dominion.

        The proximity of Islam provided a constant motivation.

        They also focused on the development of a true aristocracy.

        We’ll have to work on that, in the context of the metapolitical framework, in an “All-American, apple-pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)

  27. Rev. Wayne
    Posted April 18, 2011 at 2:51 am | Permalink

    Even though this is slightly off topic, even the American National Socialist Party appears to be embracing the White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest idea.
    http://www.theansp.us/PAMPHLET.pdf

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

      “Even though this is slightly off topic, even the American National Socialist Party appears to be embracing the White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest idea.”

      Sure. The Northwest Front is by no means the only tendency within the Movement (usual disclaimers on that term) to advocate and practice Northwest Migration. The Homeland is for all of us.

  28. Lew
    Posted April 17, 2011 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    On a slightly different note, David Duke has argued that we can ignite the revolutionary spark by finding a way to get our people into the streets for mass protests akin to what we saw at the collapse of the Berlin wall or in Egypt recently. If we do this, Duke argues that White police officers and White members of the military will come over to our side, and then once that happens Whites will have many options that do not currently exist for dealing with various problems.

    Although this idea might be far-fetched, I’m not sure it is so far fetched it should be ruled out without discussion.

    A lot of White police officers and White members of the military presumably care about seeing their families and children survive. They also see the realities of diversity often so I can’t help but wonder how many of them pay lip service to the “consensus trap” because they have to but don’t really believe a single word of it.

    In the context of this video, it’s not clear to me if Duke is putting forward this idea as a serious proposal, or if he is suggesting something he knows very well to be impossible for rhetorical and emotional effect.

    Still, I’m wondering if anyone thinks this idea is feasible and if so how would it be done?

    The relevant statements are in this video from about 11:00 to 14:30 (the rest of the video is not germane; it’s just a recap of what everyone here already knows). In this passage, Duke gives his answer to question of “what is the solution”?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTLB3wFM9nU

    HAC and his supporters have repeatedly challenged people to suggest credible alternatives to his northwest migration plan.

    So, FWIW, here is an alternative that has not yet been discussed.

    • rdub
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

      In my experience, (I was not military or police, but EMS/fire) first-responder types, who have seen the true face of multiculturalism first hand, are likely to be easy converts.
      My dad’s twenty years of police work eroded the 60s radical, lefty views he picked up in his youth.
      My friends who had bricks and bottles thrown at their ambulances and fire trucks when they showed up in the projects–to help the residents!–learned quickly the ingrate nature of such people.
      Seeing obese female applicants hired by the fire dept to fulfill a quota, leaving competent White men out of the picture destroyed many a young man’s faith in the equality myth taught them in school.
      Duke is on to something here, and those of us who have contact with these types would do well to make some inroads now–I’ve been planting seeds where I can, at least subtly enough to keep off the radar of management (so far).

      Back to the proposed initiative–the skill sets that military/police/EMS workers possess would be valuable to this hypothetical community, so recruiting such individuals could be framed as a win/win–they would both contribute and benefit from relocating (aside from the obvious need for more “boots on the ground”).

    • Steve the Elder
      Posted April 18, 2011 at 11:53 am | Permalink

      Duke is an excellent orator but he ignores the demographics I mentioned above and as a result his concept for a “peaceful” revolution is the very definition of rose colored glasses. Once we become a true minority (only a few years away now) the only viable survival option left to us is violence

      We lost our opportunity for peaceful change decades ago when we had solid majorities. Today in the USA we are 55% (census says 62% but that is a farce, with at least 5 to 10% of the “white” numbers not actually white/caucasian) and falling fast, and many if not most of that number are race traitors and enemies. It’s pure fantasy to think that some sort of “peaceful” pro white revolution is going to happen now. The end of a multi cult empire is always a blood bath

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 18, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

      Lew:

      If Duke has done what VNN/F’s Hugh “A World View” thread suggests, instead of wearing brownshirts and satin robes, he’d Senator Duke. Whitaker says Duke is a political genius. Right man, wrong time. Duke has left American politics.

      His “revolutions” weren’t spontaneous. They were meticulously planned, and brilliantly stage managed.

      Russia’s managed “collapse,” to a sustainable, profitable ethnic homeland, is a perfect example for us.

      About my letters to everybody’s grandchildren in 2050.

      Is everyone’s silence born of overwhelming fear from putting the first sentence in writing?

      Much less answering “What THEN?”

      That’s why Covington is so important.

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

      “On a slightly different note, David Duke has argued that we can ignite the revolutionary spark by finding a way to get our people into the streets for mass protests akin to what we saw at the collapse of the Berlin wall or in Egypt recently. If we do this, Duke argues that White police officers and White members of the military will come over to our side, and then once that happens Whites will have many options that do not currently exist for dealing with various problems.

      Although this idea might be far-fetched, I’m not sure it is so far fetched it should be ruled out without discussion. ”

      We can discuss it all we like. But will masses of Whites actually ever DO it?

      Yeah, the Tea Party can pull a few thousand people together for rallies. But look at A) their median AGE, and B) their motivation–not racial, but financial. They’re basically a bunch of middle-aged and elderly White people , i.e. the last reserve of privately held real wealth in the country, who do not want that wealth seized and redistributed to blacks and Third World illegals via Obamacare. This is a reasonable complaint, of course, but their solution so far has been to vote Republican, hardly a realistic or effective response. I am astounded at how swiftly we have forgotten eight years of Jug-Ears Bush and his little Jewish friends.

  29. Rev. Wayne
    Posted April 17, 2011 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    I might also like to add that anybody who is a true supporter of David Lane and even The Order for that matter, believes in the Northwest Territorial Imperative of a White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest. Anybody with the strength of their convictions would thus be willing to move to the Northwest or “Come Home” so to speak. Indeed, one of the main ideas of White Nationalism in general is the building of a White nation or White nations plural and anybody making claim to the title but not willing to support the idea of building an all-White nation (especially in the Northwest) isn’t truly a WN in totality.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

      Reverend:

      Ironically, Mathews BEGAN with the idea of NWR ethnocommunities!

      Those who sense what The Order was really up to, before they fell prey to the misguided thinking of Others, must ask the question no other WNists answered:

      “If you accomplish what you say, THEN WHAT?”

      Those who are against “X” can’t answer the question:

      “If ‘X’ is removed from the face of the Earth, THEN WHAT?”

      Mathews’ (and Lane’s!) original, “All-American, apple pie, strictly legal,” solution’s metasolution?

      The Northwest Republic.

      Ask your grandchildren in 2050 what THEIR choice would be, for US, for THEM.

      “THEN WHAT?”

      Focus Northwest.

    • Alexander
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

      Rev., I have been corresponding with Gary Yarbrough of The Order for a while now and I have no idea of his thoughts on the founding of the NorthWest Republic as to discuss such topics would only get him another extension to his already overly long sentence. His wife now runs http://garyyarbroughlegalfund.org/the-gary-yarbrough-legal-fund in an effort to achieve his release. As for myself I see no real harm in Whites congregating in any particular area of your country to secure a touch of our culture although I prefer Guillaume Faye’s dream of a North American block and a Greater European block stretching from “Brest to the Bearing Strait.” Faye quoted Nietzsche: Politics is only for those capable of having a broad, very broad view of tings.

  30. Jimmy Marr
    Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m well traveled within the U.S. and have lived in the PNW for the last few decades; Boise, Spokane, Seattle, Portland, and finally Springfield, OR. The inland portions are mostly White and conservative. The west coast, particularly the major urban centers, are liberal with a noticeable Asian populating giving them an ambience of cosmopolitanism.

    We’ve got a lot of wide open space out here, partially because the Bureau of Land Management owns so much of it. Because its public land, and not privately held, it has a sense of being “ours”. You can drive out into the countryside and pull off the road without encountering all the fences and No Trespassing signs you encounter in other parts of the country.

    Committed WN’s are few and far between in this massive area, but we are beginning to network to maximize our sense of community. HACs efforts have been, and continue to be helpful to many of us, in galvanizing this effort.

    I don’t like saying its the “the only way”, but I have to admit it’s done more good for us than anything else I could name offhand, and I’ll try to lend a hand to anyone who wants to check it out with a scouting trip.

  31. Trainspotter
    Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    JR: “And from my perspective, it doesn’t really matter if the Northwest Republic is only a fantasy dream at this date. Our people need hope, we need myths – something to yes – dream about for a romanticized, idealized White future – some place away from where we are now in this Kali Yuga.”

    You are absolutely right about this. That’s what is so important about what Covington has done.

  32. JR in Chicago
    Posted April 17, 2011 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    I am a (financial) supporter of the Northwest migration and a future White NorthWest Republic.

    Mr. Covington has done a good job describing in practical ways why a White NorthWest Republic is the best hope for our people and given current trends, it is not just a fantasy/dream that the anti White ZOG American Empire might break down and break up, like the Soviet Empire, British Empire, Roman Empire and all multi cultural/multi racial empires eventually break down and break up. We need to hope for some piece of North America as we will never get all or most of America from sea to shining sea.

    And from my perspective, it doesn’t really matter if the Northwest Republic is only a fantasy dream at this date. Our people need hope, we need myths – something to yes – dream about for a romanticized, idealized White future – some place away from where we are now in this Kali Yuga.

    I think the NorthWest migration, a future White NorthWest Republic has very many similarities to the Zionist dream of a Jewish state in the Middle East. Who would believe a Jewish Zionist state would ever come about in the year 1910? The place was ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, the place inhabited by Arabs – well big things happened and this dream came about.

    The North West migration, the dream of a White NorthWest Republic – it’s something like White Zionism and I don’t have a problem with that. All of the problems listed in this thread can not stop a dream, myth that takes hold of a people and like the Zionist dream for a Jewish state in Israel, this dream of a place of our own, somewhere in a beautiful, healthy land will give hope to Whites living in all places in the world – in Dixie, some housing estate with nasty Pakistanis just down the block in Merry Old England and to Whites on the South Side of Chicago.

    Those people objecting to the NorthWest Republic under the grounds that Whites in the Pacific NorthWest have liberal views about Blacks, non Whites – there is an easy solution to this:

    Have the non racialist Whites in the Pacific Northwest spend some time on the S.S. of Chicago, in Haiti, Uganda, St. Louis – this seems to do the trick, it did for Kevin Macdonald. Abraham Lincoln had very sound, sensible views about relations between Blacks and Whites after slavery was ended, he got these sensible racial views by getting in to face to face, fighting contact with Blacks in his youth.

    So, yes – I support the NorthWest migration and a White Northwest Republic. It’s something to look forward to, something to give us hope, give us a reason to go forward.

    Keep the faith everyone or instead:

    start dreaming and living your life to realized this great dream.

    14 Words.

  33. Posted April 17, 2011 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    We here in Ontario Canada have stolen, unashamedly, parts of HC’s plan. But with what is called The Haliburton Plan. Here in cottage country, Ontario, Canada. ( Those with cottages, main residences scattered throughout cental, east and west Ontario. ) They flee from the fleas on weekends and holdidays, mainly from multicult Toront, and smaller cities. These cottagers live in the mud mix 5 days per week, say from April til October, weekending time up here, 2 & 1/2 hours from Toronto (120 miles). They are fairly affluent, else not own cottages.
    They are too aware of the mess, living with it most of the time. As it gets worse, more and more are moving to their cottages full time. More legal hunters up here than anywhere else in Canada (full time hillbillies). With the various segments up here, we really will make Harold’s plan work, but in our backyard, not his. Haliburton County is massive, with a population of only 17,000 full time, then tripled with cottagers counted. Very few non white, but as said, the cottagers come up to escape, so they certainly know the score.

    • Alexander
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

      Come off it John. It’s the cottage country types that brought in multicult and persecuted anyone that spoke against it.

      • Posted April 17, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

        After much headline publicity screaming at me very recently in the loser rags, the cottagers still hire me to do work in my job. Hmmmmmm.

  34. NW Native
    Posted April 17, 2011 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Is there any doubt that the United States, in the not to distance future, is going to break into pieces? Russia Jew Dmitry Orlov (whom I assume has US citizenship) writes about this in his book “Reinventing Collapse”: http://www.amazon.com/Reinventing-Collapse-Example-American-Prospects/dp/0865716064
    Orlov claims that the US is going to collapse has did the USSR and I might add for the same reasons; the old USSR and present America was/is run by the Jews.
    Here are a people, the Jews, who are congeniality incapable, mainly because of their parasitic nature, learned or otherwise, of creating and maintaining a civilization on their own. And when they get their hands on a culture/civilization created by othes it eventually turns to dust. History is full of examples.

    Other than a handfull of Whites in the Western Culture, most Whites can’t get it through their thick skulls, that these very special self-chosen are cultural destroyers as I think it was Samuel Roth said they were several years ago in his little book “Jews Must Live”.

    The point is, this country is going to fall apart no matter what we do or don’t do as WN.
    HAC has laid out, as have others, what WN’s must do to prepare for the collapse.

    Also, WN’s must make it clear to non-whites that if they expect to have a piece of the post collapse pie, for their own self interest, what ever that may be, that they’d best allow the formation of a Whites only republic in the Pacific NW. Why? Because if the Whites in America ever get their act together and are successful in carving out a NW Republic, and the non-whites get into their tiny brains including the bigger brained Jews, that they don’t like it and try to do something about it, then they will come to know and feel what the rage of the Keltic-Tutonic warrior is all about. You leave us alone and we’ll leave you the fuck alone.

    I’m I getting ahead of myself? Maybe so. But has been said before in this little debate,
    before physical separation there must be psycological separation. Thought precedes action. What this means, whether we like it or not, this country is going down the tubes.
    And if all possible each one of us must psycologically separate ourselves in all ways from this dying culture and prepare accordingly.

  35. Posted April 16, 2011 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    To those who responded to my post…

    Chechar: Thanks for your comments. I hope you’re right but I see most Whites, both in North America and Western Europe, as pretty far gone. There seems to be cause for greater hope in Eastern Europe, where people seem less ethnomasochistic and more prone to idealism/spirituality. Thanks for letting me know about my namesake in Mr. Covington’s NW Quartet – I intend to start reading it soon, even if it leads to my own demise. :^)

    Fourmyle of Ceres: I absolutely agree with you but Mr. Covington and others are talking as if a collapse is imminent. It might be, I don’t deny it, but no one can know with any certainty. Personally I think it’s going to be a much more gradual process. But we’ll see. Anyway, if a collapse IS imminent, then the metapolitical approach is not going to have enough time to work before the collapse happens. The process you’re discussing would take decades, at least. Lifetimes, most likely. Do we have that long? And look at GRECE in Europe, they’ve been talking about metapolitics since 1968 but they’ve been content to veer off into pure academicism and the realm of pure theory. I’m not saying to abandon the metapolitical approach but we should also consider the possibility that it’s too late for that now.

    Steve the Elder: I don’t oppose the NW idea, I hasten to add, I just question its feasibility. My own contingency plan would be to construct farm-based communities that are self-sustaining in as many remote areas around the world as possible. Preferably based on some form of spirituality since the most powerful movements are always based on God/gods, and those who understand that they are servants of God are willing to endure and achieve much more than those who don’t and they receive God’s blessings. As soon as possible people should begin moving to these communities. There should be nothing illegal happening in them, no plans for revolution (although of course weapons for self-defense are a must), just simply refuges for people to avoid the corrosive effects of our present-day culture and from where they can ride out a future collapse. Since 99% of the rest of the Western world will be unprepared, those in these communities will naturally be in a position of power once the oil-based economy has gone the way of the Dodo, and they will have their faith to bolster themselves. I’m not saying they should cut themselves off from the surrounding world completely before the collapse, perhaps some people will even continue to have jobs on the outside, but things will be prepared when the sh** really hits the fan. This circumvents the whole issue of trying to seize control of a piece of territory and having to fight out with the powers-that-be, leaving much more energy and resources free to construct a new way of life. And, free of modern life, the people in these communities will learn the skills they’ll need to rebuild civilization in the aftermath, and become people of much greater character in the process than those individuals who are mere by-products of consumer culture.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

      I hope that we do have enough time for metapolitics (both idea spreading and community building) to take root and produce results before the system falls apart. My greatest fear is that the end will come too soon, before we are in a position to benefit from it.

      • Trainspotter
        Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:28 am | Permalink

        That’s a very legitimate concern, one that I share. Yet I suspect that what we’re looking at is a drawn out process, something that could fairly be named “The Long Emergency” a la Kunstler.

        As this process develops, the very real conflicts of interest between races will become more and more apparent. Non-whites disproportionately benefit from fully funded government programs and wealth transfers, whereas whites bear the burden. This in a long term context of shrinking resources and promises – important promises – that must be regularly broken. It is pretty much guaranteed that the coming strains will have racial fault lines, if only implicity at first.

        Whether it is the white ox being gored in our political system (likely) or the non-white one, somebody is going to lose. Big . It is a matter of simple math the the current System cannot keep the promises that it has made. It will have to pick and choose in order to keep the wolf away from the door – but the wolf will come just the same, precisely because of the picking and choosing. It has to. Hopefully we can show our people a way out of a completely unsustainable situation.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 9:03 am | Permalink

      John:

      Thank you for your thoughtful reply.

      I do not see an immediate Collapse taking place, but you can see it, inexorably, in microcosm, in the absence of the White Race. Detroit? Los Angeles?

      I do see plateauing down, suddenly falling off a cliff, and another, gradual plateauing down, until a new foundation is formed, that can Rebuild and Renew, from Higher Ground.

      My request for diary entries for your grandchildren in 2050 are to focus people on where they want to be, and what they must do, to get there.

      What do THEY see outside their bedroom window?

      Are you proud of that?

    • Steve the Elder
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

      Hello sir.. you said:
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Steve the Elder: I don’t oppose the NW idea, I hasten to add, I just question its feasibility. My own contingency plan would be to construct farm-based communities that are self-sustaining in as many remote areas around the world as possible.
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      My response.. it won’t work.. did you see what happened to the Branch Davidians? More on topic for pure white separatists..the FLDS Mormons? ZOG will never leave small white groups alone no matter how remote, even semi-pacifist ones, they must be destroyed. Add to the mix that you would be surrounded by dangerous non whites. The only real safety for us is in our own nation with our own military and surrounded by our own people. if that place was for instance, New Zealand I would be headed there, but as HAC says history, demographics and IMO our native RKBAs dictates the PNW as the best place to try it

      There is no reason why that powerful but small nation could not later expand to retake sectors of the rotted ZOG Matrix. Look what tiny Germany almost accomplished against the entire world

  36. Frank Marshall
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Eight months ago, the new English-language television network, Russia Today, did an interview with Patrick J. Buchanan, entitled “U.S. is Being Broken up Deliberately.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufwIwMchCbs

    Buchanan says the world is fracturing along racial and ethnic lines, and that multi-racial and multi-ethnic nation-states, including the U.S., will follow the trend we have seen with the break-up of the old Soviet Union and the dissolution of Yugoslavia. This certainly suggests that some in the American intelligentsia realize that a concept like the Northwest Territorial Imperative could really appeal on a mass level to millions of white people in the U.S., and that, perhaps, the realization of this idea is even inevitable.

    • FWM
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 7:39 am | Permalink

      “…and that, perhaps, the realization of this idea is even inevitable.”

      Oh, I doubt very much that our masters envision any homeland for us. As has been pointed to above, they’d sooner give land to China than Whites. We are their battered wives, their white slaves, their plough horses, their consumer drones, and in a perverted way, their scapegoats. To give us a square mile of land would ideologically destroy the FEAR that underlies those relationships.

      But remember… (this is for Fourmyle of Ceres)

      “Worker bees can leave
      Even drones can fly away
      The queen is their slave”

      Mike

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 17, 2011 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

        FWM:

        Their fear is that we leave, and take what ONLY we can do – create, build, and sustain Civilization – with us.

        That’s why black politicians are trying desperately to annex White suburbs; they say it’s taxation fairness for better schools, but they REALLY want what makes the better schools better.

        Good!

        By Withdrawing The Consent of The Governed, they learn more in home-schooling, more effectively. The first home-schooler curriculum for IPADs wins!

        The second generation creates the Northwest Republic, starting where they are. In time, certainly, Taking The Gap.

        In 2050, what’s outside YOUR grandchildren’s bedroom window?

        Why?

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

          Of course, we Withdraw The Consent of The Governed in an “All-American, apple pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)

          We knew that all along, of course.

          Parallel institutions, parallel governance.

          VNN/F’s “Hugh” outlines why this is so important, and how to begin, in the A World View thread.

          Focus Northwest

      • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

        “I doubt very much that our masters envision any homeland for us.”

        Good thing we have no intention of asking their permission, then, eh?

  37. rdub
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Fascinating discussion!
    My wife and I have been discussing where we want to move (the shifting demographics here are making this necessary), and the racial makeup of our destination is the single largest consideration.

    Regarding the politics of the PNW, I did live in Portland, and my experience was that once out of the lefty epicenter of the city, the outlying areas were just as, if not more, conservative as the South, where I grew up. (My car notoriously displayed a large Confederate flag–this once initiated an interesting conversation with a resident of the Morrison area, hippie central–this guy actually sympathized with the CSA! With some more talk, his racial realist views came out.)
    Anecdotes do not equal data, so I must say that I don’t really know how much things have changed there in the last fifteen years.

    This plan does sound feasible–I share some of the reservations of previous posters, but where I am now, I’m powerless to stop the influx of Hispanics and the ghettoization of my town. With some time, effort, and sacrifice, this plan could at least establish a starting point.
    Maybe I’m still a bit idealistic, but optimism and action appeal more to me than cynicism and inertia.

    • Steve the Elder
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

      Slowly we are building up a structure of regional guides/greeters and others on the ground up here. HAC can put you in contact

      Rev.Wayne.. if you’re Identity there are a lot of us up here, already

  38. Rev. Wayne
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    I believe that not only is this country ours but this whole planet is ours as well. However, I do recognize that we need to start somewhere obviously and I think that the Northwest would be key in building a White homeland. For instance, as has been pointed out, New England would be too small to build one and yes there are wealthy snobs there but not all. The South (especially the “Black Belt” states) I don’t think would be a good idea. While I don’t support the territorial fragmentation of America, if we look at demographics alone, we can know where to start building. It is our duty to spread our White Racial Loyalist message to as many Whites as we can. If our efforts are concentrated in a area, and area where we all live, an area that we intend to build a White Homeland in, I believe that we can have (and will have) a lot of success. We’ve tried the old ways for 50 years, time for something new.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

      Great concluding point:
      “We’ve tried the old way for fifty years, time for something new.”

      Why do you suppose, post-Rockwell, organizationally, NOTHING worked?

      It’s almost as if WNist “Leaders” created false flags, stopping us from focusing on effectiveness for our Race.

      Look to the past, adopting archaic forms – robes, brownshirts?

      Effect – laughingstock.

      Look to the future, withdraw the consent of the governed, building parallel social structures, building a new People, a Racial Homeland, in an “apple-pie, strictly legal, sort of way?” (HT: Jim Giles)

      Effect – Ask your grandchildren in 2050.

      Focus Northwest

  39. Lew
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Trainspotter:

    it would be ridiculous to send the message that if someone isn’t intellectually inclined, therefore they have nothing to contribute. It’s a false dichotomy, absurdly so, and if it weren’t for the bizarre turn of events of last year, I wouldn’t have even entertained the idea that this required discussion. Apparently, it does.

    I don’t think it requires discussion, as I perceive no one pushing the idea that non-writers, artists and intellectuals have nothing to contribute. A major part of this dispute, in my opinion, is over how the non-intellectuals/artists should contribute. Only HAC has answered this question with anything other than generalities.

    • Trainspotter
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

      Lew: “I don’t think it requires discussion, as I perceive no one pushing the idea that non-writers, artists and intellectuals have nothing to contribute.”

      There has definitely been an attempt to smear intellectual work in the service of white nationalism as unimportant, if not cowardly.

      Lew: ” A major part of this dispute, in my opinion, is over how the non-intellectuals/artists should contribute.”

      I don’t know of anyone who has attacked non-intellectuals and artists. The issue was a smear job against intellectuals, the one segment of our movement that has been making strides and establishing a much greater presence in recent years. Clearly, there are people who don’t like that.

      I’m concerned that something similar will happen with the Northwest idea, leading to an unnecessary breach and bitterness. The Northwesters will have strong incentive to attack those who have different plans, whether they are intellectuals or not. It will be very tempting, but if they are smart they will avoid it, or at least keep it moderate. There is a difference between saying “My way is the best way, so join me” versus engaging in demoralizing and damaging internecine conflict. This is open source, and synergy is an asset.

      @ John Morgan

      I share some of your concerns, though I come to a rather radical conclusion. Hence my “all or nothing” or “in for a penny, in for a pound” point of view.

      Which is another way of saying that either the current System goes, or at least is reduced to a rump state that can no longer entertain imperial ambition, or it is unlikely that we’ll get a homeland on this continent. As long as the United States is able to effectively marshal the resources of most of the continent, it is very difficult to envision them letting us go. They hate and despise us like no other. They would let almost anybody go before us. I truly believe that they would give the Northwest to a foreign power such as China before they would let us go.

      The reality is that it’s either us or them. In for a penny…

      I hope I’m wrong about that, but I don’t find it particularly discouraging. The reason is that I remain optimistic that the System itself will weaken to the point where it will enter the dustbin of history, and I don’t think it’s going to take all that much longer for it to happen. It’s utterly unsustainable, and running off the tracks right before our eyes. It seems hopelessly unable to reform itself.

      I’m thinking a decade or two, not generations, and it could well be sooner. It’s entirely possible that we could have serious secessionist movements coming to life in the fairly near future, movements that could de facto gut the System, not just try to slice off a piece. If the PNW people (or whoever) get their act together, that would be the window of opportunity. Itz coming, whether we are ready or not.

      • Lew
        Posted April 17, 2011 at 2:33 am | Permalink

        Lew: “I don’t think it requires discussion, as I perceive no one pushing the idea that non-writers, artists and intellectuals have nothing to contribute.”

        Trainspotter: “There has definitely been an attempt to smear intellectual work in the service of white nationalism as unimportant, if not cowardly.”

        If the long battle of “HW versus the intellectuals” is what you are referring to here, it is not what I had in mind with that remark. Let me clarify. I meant no one in this discussion is pushing the idea that non-writers, non-artists and non-intellectuals have nothing to contribute, or the reverse, that intellectuals have nothing to contribute. I take it for granted that everyone here agrees that both groups can and must contribute, that the two groups are complementary and reinforcing groups, and that their activities are not mutually exclusive.

        That said, I do think drawing a distinction between the tiny few who are qualified to do serious metapolitical work (credentialed, academically trained intellectuals, fiction writers, screen writers, artists, etc.) and everyone else who is NOT qualified to do serious metapolitical work is an important distinction. If we grant that metapolitics is most important, then it’s obvious what the tiny few should be doing, and they’re doing it. As you said, they’re doing it here, at Alt Right and at TOO.

        Where no one seems to be able to agree is on how the vast majority of people who are not qualified to directly contribute to a cultural shift should be spending their time while the tiny few who are qualified do their work.

        This is where the movement continues to spin its wheels with the result being a seemingly unending generation of words instead of action. That at least is my perception.

        • Trainspotter
          Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

          Thanks for the clarification. Apparently we were talking past one another to a degree.

          Lew: “Where no one seems to be able to agree is on how the vast majority of people who are not qualified to directly contribute to a cultural shift should be spending their time while the tiny few who are qualified do their work.”

          Maybe we’re still talking past one another a bit. I would reiterate that the cultural shift is not exclusively the domain of the tiny few. Not at all. Much of the spread of our ideas will be from the bottom up, whether from one on one conversations in the real world or making comments on other internet sites, to a thousand other things. Everyone can and should participate, in whatever way they are best situated to contribute. This is the one thing everybody should be able to agree upon, if nothing else. It’s the one thing that everybody can do, in one way or another, regardless of their personal circumstances (not good at writing or talking to people – well, write a check).

          I’ve made it clear that the relatively few intellectuals that we have are the most important men alive today. But ultimately, it will be the artist who spreads our vision through fiction and music and other mediums.

          The attack on “intellectuals” was, fundamentally, dishonest and misleading. As I’ve said, everybody can and should participate in the spread of our ideas, not just the tiny few.

          The real division is over what nuts and bolts things should be done – pursue the PNW idea, engage in electoral politics, infiltrate existing organizations, form micro communities, etc. You’re absolutely right, there is no consensus on these things. In my view, there isn’t going to be a consensus, and there doesn’t really need to be.

          For example, there isn’t going to be a “consensus” on the Northwest plan, or working for the A3P, or forming a micro community in Utah. None of these plans are compelling enough to get everybody on board. On the other hand, none of these plans require everybody to be on board. Those who believe in a plan can pursue it, and if they demonstrate some level of success, they’ll get more supporters. Success attracts support. There is no need to engage in internecine conflict. Instead, show people.

          I have to say that, in my view, until we’ve managed to spread our ideas further into the white population, most nuts and bolts plans are going to achieve very limited success. Until we prepare the ground, not much will grow in it. But to each his own. I’m not going to rain on anybody’s parade, unless I perceive what they are doing as extremely foolish, dishonest or in bad faith.

          We are in a certain stage right now (idea spreading), and we aren’t going to be able to skip it – but I would love to be proven wrong. I just doubt that I will be.

          • Posted April 17, 2011 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

            @ “I’ve made it clear that the relatively few intellectuals that we have are the most important men alive today. But ultimately, it will be the artist who spreads our vision through fiction and music and other mediums.”

            The other medium is oratory, starting perhaps in the underground of YouTube. I’d love to see Covington’s radio podcasts transferred to video. But we’d need a real artist to do the recording and to finance the project. IMHO Covington’s style has more chances to touch a public fiber than Duke’s far more temperate videos.

  40. Steve the Elder
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Forgot to add.. we do not have 2,000 years. We don’t even have 50 years before we are virtually genocided..and long before that it will be too late due to simple demographics. In 39 years Europe will be a Muslim Republic and a few years later North America will be Greater Atzlan! Wake the hell up while there is yet time!

    • Jeff
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

      If you are talking to me, you do not know how much time we have! If you believe that the answer lies in the Northwest; by-all-means take-off in that direction and count the number of those who follow. Myself, I believe that the increasing danger will unite whites. You wake the hell up while there is still time and quit making personal attacks against other posters! You display an asinine hubris that you have all the answers; fatalism and personal attacks serve nothing. The more you rant; the more people you alienate.

      • Steve the Elder
        Posted April 17, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

        “Sorry” to hurt your little internet feelings but what I said is absolutely true.. Europe will go under in less than 39 years and here in the States we are at most 55% of the population.. and falling fast. There is a point in demographic time where it is impossible to recover a population in the face of enemy invasion

        We’ve lost Texas and California already and no one “united” to stave it off, they whimpered and moaned and went back to the potato chips and beer

        http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archives/2011/02/texas_demograph.html

        As to you, you are never going to come Home so if I offend you I lose nothing. As Harold says revolutionaries are often not nice people. I am an equal opportunity offender so deal with it

        • Christopher Monti
          Posted April 18, 2011 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

          Yeah, but the thing of it is, you *aren’t* a revolutionary. Nothing, not one damn thing, in the act of moving to Washington or Oregon or Idaho, is revolutionary in political sense. Packing a moving van, moving to bluetopia, and vacating yet one more living space for non-whites, is NOT STRIKING BACK. It’s NOT administering discomfort to the collective entity that is hurting us. It’s NOT even a manifest act of protest. And if I’m wrong, you tell me exactly how.

          There is nothing about the Northwest Imperitive, other than the name, that is exclusive to that region, and could not be accomplished in other, already whiter and more racially conservative parts of the country, and you know what I’m talking about.

          • Fourmyle of Ceres
            Posted April 19, 2011 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

            Chris:

            This is why the Northwest Republic Analytical Model uniquely succeeds.

            Can’t move there, physically? Build and become its living foundation, in your Mind.

            Your idea of “revolution” fails, just as it did for The Order. Proof?

            My challenge: writing diary entries for your grandchildren in 2050, describing what they see, and what they WOULD be seeing, if you did nothing.

            NO ONE has accepted.

            THAT, the most effective revolution of all, is much more difficult than robbing armored cars.

            Much more effective, too.

            “Apple pie, strictly legal,” and VNN/F “Hugh’s” “A World View.”

            The (Adult, Metapolitical!) Way Forward.

          • Christopher Monti
            Posted April 19, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

            In 2050, assuming that civilization still functions to the extent that the Gregorian calender is used to mark the passage of time, I would be 73. I cannot, for the life of me, even begin to realistically imagine what anything will be like at that point, since present circumstances throughout the world are becoming less stable with each passing day. But since I’m biting, why don’t you first define, and in explicit terms, what exactly is “doing nothing”? Because the impression I’m getting, is that anything other than unbridled enthusiasm for the Northwest Impertive, anything like, say, simply working hard and being dependable for your family and community, and having a plan of preparedness in the face of abrupt national disorder and violence, is automatically dismissed as “doing nothing”. I think you really want people to write out diary entries, to try and manuever them into betraying a guarantee that everything will have since gone to hell, and you can then say, ” Look how your grandchildren are suffering, all because you didn’t move northwest ! See how they curse you!” or some such. Well that’s ridiculous. Neither you, or I, or anyone present, can speak with certainty about what is to come, despite whatever paranoid, gloomy, statistics documents you happen to dig up and link. So please tell me what is “doing nothing”? Speaking for myself, and going out on a limb and speculating the same of every other racially-lucid, level-headed white person in this country, I PROMISE that we are doing EVERYTHING we can, to keep body and soul togethor under these circumstances. Just because I don’t agree with your course of action doesn’t mean that I am without one.

            And for the record, no, I didn’t suggest Order-style pseudo-guerilla tactics. In fact, it’s actually yourself and Mr. Covington who are doing that, indirectly through his novels, which he unabashedly uses as vehicles to inspire northwest migration. What I said, is that MOVING TO ANOTHER, LESS-WHITE, LESS RECEPTIVE, MORE-LIBERAL, U.S. STATE, IS NOT AN ACT OF REVOLUTION. AT ALL. And it’s unethical and disengenuous to promote that as such, or use scare-tactics about demographics (We’ve lost California and Texas? Really, Steve? There’s not a single white person left in either state? Well damn.) to leverage people into doing what you want them to.

            Again, I’ll be happy to write those two entries, but first I want to hear your definition of “doing nothing”.

          • Posted May 11, 2011 at 11:12 am | Permalink

            Refresh my senile memory. Seems to be I posted the Four Phases of the Butler Plan on here a few weeks back. Did I? Don’t want a repetition of my FS gaffe on Thoughtcrime where I re-posted a chapter I’d forgotten I already posted once.

          • Fourmyle of Ceres
            Posted April 19, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

            Chris:

            “Doing nothing” lets the status quo continue.

            The 2050 focus forces clarification of an End Game, and how what we DO will led to Something Better.

            Looking after your family is great. Mere survival, however, is merely survival.

            THEN WHAT?

            Growth requires the disciplined, focused use of Force to expand.

            YOUR focus was on the inappropriate use of force:

            “…STRIKING BACK. It’s NOT administering discomfort to the collective entity that is hurting us.

            Covington only discusses force as fiction, limited strictly to self-defense, in an “All-American, apple pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)

      • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

        “Myself, I believe that the increasing danger will unite whites.”

        Jeff, you may be right. I hope so. But do we see any sign that this is in fact occurring on any level significant enough to produce results. Whites don’t just need increasing danger, they need a workable and comprehensible IDEA to coalesce behind when the little light bulb finally does go on over their pumpkin heads.

      • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

        “Myself, I believe that the increasing danger will unite whites.”

        Jeff, you may be right. I hope so. But do we see any sign that this is in fact occurring on any level significant enough to produce results? Whites don’t just need increasing danger, they need a workable and comprehensible IDEA to coalesce behind when the little light bulb finally does go on over their pumpkin heads.

  41. Jimmy Marr
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    There are signs of White resistance all over the country. This happened in New Jersey just hours ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOeVS_mJAU4

  42. Steve the Elder
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Nothing that is truly good is easy. Lead and our people will follow. Talk means little and we have analyzed the situation to death for 50 + years with no real world results!

    Without a plan, even a plan that may indeed change later, no one will follow!

  43. Jeff
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    I agree that carving out a white homeland is essential for racial survival, but it is not going to happen until we separate ourselves cognitively as a people. The vast majority of whites are under the “consensus trance” and the only way they are going to snap out of that trance is through interaction with non-whites. Once we define ourselves cognitively, emotionally, and historically we can mobilize a force of racially aware people and direct their energies accordingly. After our movement achieves self-ignition we can select, develop and train racial leaders. Hell, we might decide to go to Canada or Alaska or New Zealand or Australia instead of the Northwest. We will never achieve anything until we are able to separate ourselves mentally; the jews have maintained a separate culture among non-jews for thousands of years. A sizable element of our people must identify themselves as victims; that is the only way to mass-mobilization. Lofty rhetoric and appeal to idealism will never work; people are motivated by grievances, suffering and greed. Naturally, there will be a trickle of whites who move out to the Northwest over the next several decades, but they will be stranded in a liberal milieu as one poster pointed out. There was an excellent article posted on “The Occidental Quarterly” by Yggdrasil titled “The Shape of the Future” which addresses cognate issues relevant to mass migration, also read Baird Peterson’s “Succession is a Bad Idea for Whites.” Finally, some of us must stay behind for intelligence purposes and to throw monkey wrenches into the jews’ abattoir. It took 2,000 years for jews to subjugate whites; it might take another 2,000 years before we are free. Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist Germany was the “last” easy route to racial survival; it will “never” be that easy for us again.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

      Jeff (1):

      Perfect analysis. Your key points, with (comments).

      1. Cognitive separation as a people – (a Race).

      2. The “consensus trance” can only be overcome by dealings with non-whites. (Indoctrination, and tranquilizers, work to cripple us.)

      3. Self-cognition in all realms allows us to see clearly, and act accordingly. (A new Christianity can work miracles.)

      4. Victimization must be transformed into the foundation of empowerment.

      5. Citations from other websites. (Off-topic, and/or already dealt with.)

      6. “…it will ‘never’ be that easy for us again.” (No. It will be BETTER. Ask your grandchildren in 2050.)

      • Jeff
        Posted April 16, 2011 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

        In reply to item 5, the two articles mentioned, address issues inherent in the Northwest scenario, so they are not off-topic. In reply to item 6, I was not inferring that we are doomed, only that the road is more difficult now. Once our mass movement starts (and it will) no force on earth can stand against us. We will prevail, but there will be many years of suffering ahead, years which are essential to creating any successful movement. Your assertion that things will be better by 2050 is overly optimistic; we will still be at the beginning of a long and danger fraught journey. I do not have my copy of “Imperium” handy, but I believe Yockey stated that it would take 200 years of continuous warfare to establish a white homeland in eastern Russia and the Ukraine. Of course Yockey held out no hope for whites of northern America, but I still do.

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted April 17, 2011 at 8:48 am | Permalink

          Jeff (2):

          I do not assert things will get better by 2050; quite the contrary.

          I asked everyone to write a letter to their grandchildren to be opened in the year 2050, describing the world around them today, and what they think the world looks like for their grandchildren, and what they DID to make that Better World a reality for their Posterity.

          No one did, and there’s a reason for that.

          A meritocratic aristocracy is being formed, even as we speak.

          Where to start?

          Send money to counter-currents, to keep this vital conversation going.

          DO BETTER

          Focus Northwest

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

      “I agree that carving out a white homeland is essential for racial survival, but it is not going to happen until we separate ourselves cognitively as a people.”

      You hit the nail on the head. You just said in one sentence what I have been raving on and on about on Radio Free Northwest for the past year.

  44. Steve the Elder
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Once again I request that all detractors of the NWF concept ALSO provide us with your solution to our imminent demise. It’s easy to critique any concept, now provide us with your wise solution?

    I tend to blow off simple criticisms.. we are the race that stood on the moon and have far flung survey probes heading out of our solar system as I type this.. we are problem solvers, inventors.. or have the jews beaten you down so far morally that you’ve lost hope in our potential destiny? That destiny is lost to us if we merely sit and kibbutz at the only going solution. If you have a better one we are all ears..

    • Gary.SS
      Posted April 19, 2011 at 7:03 am | Permalink

      The solution is for us to get enough WN in a given county to at least elect and control the Sheriff, county commissioners, etc…The biggest obstacle from what I can see is economic. People want “jobs”. I don’t blame them, I want jobs too! But what I’m seeing between the lines is, people are too spoiled and not willing to give up their cushy jobs and lifestyle to make the territorial imperative a reality.

  45. Posted April 16, 2011 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    My real fear with secession is a repeat of 1861. I’d love to hear what other posters here think about that.

    If, for example, Texas secedes and begins to succeed on its own, what’s to stop the rest of the herd from getting envious and invading, using their greater numbers and wealth to triumph?

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 17, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

      Brett:

      Texian Secession is political kabuki. Good entertainment, but New Aztlan wins the vote. The former head of Census said Texas is over, for the Anglos.

      Texian Secession serves the Inner Party, as it provides the idea that Something Is Happening, and keeping people’s efforts from where they will be effective.
      A parallel social order, peacefully withdrawing the consent of the governed, is feasible, more effective, and much more work.

      Still waiting for someone to describe the world of their grandchildren in 2050 if they do nothing, and if they do.

      Explaining why they did nothing?

      Priceless.

      Focus Northwest

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

      “If, for example, Texas secedes and begins to succeed on its own, what’s to stop the rest of the herd from getting envious and invading, using their greater numbers and wealth to triumph?”

      At the risk of sounding like a broken record, “Freedom’s Sons” is being written to deal with just this kind of scenario.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 20, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

        Douglas Mackinnon, wise, practiced, political expert, wrote “America’s Last Days.”

        It ends with the 1776 Command controlling weapons, demanding a new nation formed from Wyoming and Montana. One of the weapons goes off, and the wish is granted.

        “With that announcement, tens of thousands of people started to flee Montana and Wyoming, while hundreds of thousands of Americans made their way to the new country.”

        Read that slowly.

        The minute an all-White state was formed, no matter how desolate it seemed, you’d have to jump out of the way of the greatest migration in US history.

        Focus Northwest

  46. Jimmy Marr
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    “Yes, it is a paradox: the more homogeneously white a population, the less racially aware it is.”

    This is huge source of hope. The system is working its ass off to bring about the conditions by which our race will evolve, ( i.e. awaken or die).

    How could we ask for more? Jews may really prove be our Light Unto Nations in this inverted sense.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 11:01 am | Permalink

      Yes, I have known many Americans who have been awakened to racial consciousness by the best multicultural, multiracial efforts of the regime.

  47. Harry
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    On the practical side: how does the insurrectionist movement plan to deal with competing visions for secession, or in other words, win the hearts and minds of the people? The difficulty of fighting the U.S. military is daunting, even a flagging, withering state can deliver a deadly sting to a fledgling power; compounding this is the large presence of militia groups, Ron Paul Supporters, patriots, and Tea Partiers, who define revolution in terms of individual freedom, not group survival. Many believe that these people are implicit racialists; however, I think that this may be a bit of wishful thinking. Unfortunately, these potential supporters seem to cling to the prevailing cultural and political paradigm in many cases, and simply want to “throw the bums out”. There support or at least their non-resistance, I would think is a pre-requisite to any successful revolution in the PNW. Is there anything within the framework of these novels that provides a template for overcoming the entrenched attitudes of this population, and if not within the novels, how do you propose this be done?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 10:26 am | Permalink

      In all fairness, these are problems that every WN group faces.

      Americans are wedded to tough talk about freedom, but they generally don’t fight for it, else we would not have such a huge government. Instead, “freedom loving” Americans prefer moving away to fighting. Unfortunately the mental disease of libertarian individualism is very strong on the far right. In fact, between the individualists and the people who are just crazy, we can pretty much account for the whole WN “character” problem.

      If HAC’s message to White People were: Move away from the dark folk to the PNW, and someday, without effort or risk on your part, HAC will hand you an all-white subdivision that you will never have to move away from again, he would be flooded with people. Unfortunately, nothing could be done with them.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

        Greg Johnson wrote:

        …he would be flooded with people. Unfortunately, nothing could be done with them.

        This is singularly important. People gave their all, including their lives, fleeing a collapsed economy, to follow Brigham Young.

        This proved sincerity, and motivation, in the fulfillment of a transcendental purpose. Enough of them moved all their energy in ONE direction, and the Mormons seem rather successful, today.

        Effective organizations require a probationary period, until you can join The Team.

        A new, parallel system of organized spirituality, is worth considering.

        The “Pagan” North offered primal Masculine vitality to a soft, failing Christianity.

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

      “On the practical side: how does the insurrectionist movement plan to deal with competing visions for secession, or in other words, win the hearts and minds of the people?”

      What we’re TRYING to do along that line is build a visibly better mousetrap. Not doing so as fast or as well as I would like, but at least the effort is being made.

  48. Gary.SS
    Posted April 16, 2011 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    As a resident of 14 years in the Northwest, I can confidently tell you that a white homeland here isn’t possible under present conditions.

    I came here in 1997 to be a part of a white homeland, but after all these years I have finally figured out that WN aren’t serious enough to pack up and move here and the ones that did are spread out so far that we will never achieve political power. There seems to be more of an awareness with whites who are surrounded by non whites, and the Northwest is too white to breed such awareness.

    It’s sad to say, but I would leave here at the first good opportunity.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 10:32 am | Permalink

      Yes, it is a paradox: the more homogeneously white a population, the less racially aware it is. The more racially mixed the population, the more racially aware the whites. But let’s acknowledge that this is produced by the Jewish domination of our explicit culture, which programs people to believe the racial equality lie, and the lie usually persists unless one actually has empirical evidence to the contrary. In a society where racially conscious whites controlled the media and culture, we could maintain racial awareness in a homogeneous environment.

      One of the beauties of the NW Front is the idea of an ingathering of racially aware whites who can raise the racial consciousness of the natives. It is a dynamic that already exists, and I have seen it in action.

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

      Gary SS:

      Get in touch with the NF through our website or e-mail me at [email protected] I think you may be surprised.

  49. Posted April 16, 2011 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    While I am living as an expatriate these days, I certainly still care about my native land, and I do believe that the idea of a Northwest state is a good one. I’ve been wading through the mass of comments, and my only question regards its feasibility. Mr. Covington suggests that, in a theoretical future time in which the U.S. has become weakened, a colonial uprising could convince the authorities that holding onto the Northwest wouldn’t be worth the price in treasure and blood and they would be willing to let it go. I seriously question this idea. Naturally, in any state, no matter how severely weakened it is, the last thing it will allow to degrade is its military capability, so unless we see an unprecedented (in modern times) catastrophe of apocalyptic proportions along the lines of “The Road,” which would likely make the idea of a state in the Northwest or anywhere else impractical, I don’t see the U.S. ever losing its military capability altogether, at least not in our lifetimes. Of course these things are difficult to predict, but this seems likely to me. So I see four main problems:

    1. Given the lack of character exhibited by the majority of Whites in the U.S. these days, I wonder where even a small-yet-significant guerrilla army of QUALIFIED (meaning, actually having the necessary know-how, and not just being wizards at target shooting or paintball), dedicated, incorruptible (since the U.S. will surely try to buy them out, as it has done with insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan) men and women, with a strong enough faith in victory to continue fighting even when there seems little chance of success, willing to sacrifice the lives of themselves and their families and to live an extremely austere life by American standards, will come from. I have no doubt a few such people exist here and there, but to wage such a campaign with any chance of success, one would need at the very least several thousand such people.

    2. How to gain the good will of the majority of the people in the Northwest. I have known many people from Washington and Oregon, and with a few exceptions, most of them are very liberal in their sociopolitical outlook – in fact, more so than people I have known from the Midwest or Southern states of the U.S. As Mr. Covington said, following Mao, the guerrilla must be like a fish in the ocean of the people. I don’t see most Whites in the Northwest backing such an effort, even in a crisis situation. Most people from the Northwest seem to have a strong libertarian streak, but I don’t see that extending to support for a racialist government which would no doubt have to be very authoritarian in nature, especially in its early days. More than likely most Whites would help the U.S. forces instead, particularly if the insurgents began targeting Whites who didn’t help them. Again, this was a major problem that led to the failure of recent insurgencies in Algeria and Iraq. Also, no doubt life in a newly-liberated Northwest would be very austere, given its severing of economic ties with the rest of the country, and many people may pine to be reunited with the U.S. simply to get their old lifestyles back.

    3. A very concrete problem: the massive strategic resources held by even a weakened U.S. Even with its conventional forces alone, I see the odds that the U.S. would be persuaded by the loss of any amount of blood and treasure to give up any of its territory as very small, because surely success in one area would show other potential insurgents elsewhere that secession is a real possibility. I really doubt that the U.S. would ever be persuaded to give up the fight, even a long, bloody and costly one, simply to show its determination and to try to keep the country together. The price of defeat would be to risk the unraveling of the entire empire and the authorities would be well aware of that. Even if the Northwest did achieve victory, you know very well that the U.S. would resort to its old bag of tricks against unfriendly regimes, and would take every opportunity to sow internal dissent, commit acts of sabotage, burn or poison crops and water resources, impose trade embargoes or set up blockades, invent or actually commit atrocities that could be blamed on the Northwest government, etc. And there would always be the risk of invasion. A theoretical Northwest state would have its hands full simply organizing itself in the wake of victory, and would surely lack the strength to pose any threat to the rest of the continent which might create an effective deterrent. Even in “The Turner Diaries” and “Ecotopia,” after victory, the rebels had to equip themselves with nukes to dissuade the U.S. from attacking. The odds that such a goal is feasible, however, is small – nukes are not easy to come by or maintain, especially in numbers significant enough to create an effective deterrent. And lastly, while this could never happen today, in a theoretical U.S. experiencing an existential crisis, I could imagine the government using nukes on its own soil in order to show potential rebels everywhere that they are not willing to accept defeat at any price. There’s really no defense against that.

    4. Winning the respect and trust of Whites throughout the rest of the world. The U.S. would no doubt use its extensive propaganda networks to depict the Northwest rebels or state as extremists, out of control, violent, etc. One thing that would go a long way to helping victory to be attainable would be to win the hearts and minds of Whites elsewhere who could then act in concert or at least encourage the government to sue for peace. But given their present conditionings, it’s unlikely the NW would gain many sympathizers, especially in the face of continuous propaganda campaigns, and no doubt many would see the war as a “crusade against racism and fascism” and the like. The TVs and radios will surely not go dead as long as the U.S. continues to exist in any form.

    I can see the effectiveness of the Northwest idea as a motivating myth, as Mr. O’Meara has written, but a good myth must also seem attainable. Given all of these problems I wonder. I realize that it’s difficult to know now what the circumstances will be in this future crisis, but these should be taken into account.

    • Posted April 16, 2011 at 11:14 am | Permalink

      John Morgan,

      Interesting blogsite. Thanks. And very cogent objections. Make me wonder…

      The only rapid response I can fathom now is that something really big will happen within our lifespan, perhaps in Europe. Demography is destiny and once the Muslims completely change the physiognomy of the some parts of the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands and France (kind of poetic justice: the most liberal countries will be the ones who will suffer a punishment of biblical proportions), those whites in these US Northern states will start to rethink their liberalism seriously. But even a crisis of apocalyptic proportions for Europe will not be enough to persuade those body-snatched American whites to become fully human again without the proper meta-political work. Hard times ahead.

      By the way, in the fictional Quartet there’s a character, John Corbett Morgan, a valiant combatant who was betrayed and killed in an operation of the NW war of independence.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

      John Morgan:

      Look what Jews did, over a thousand years, motivated by an overarching metapolitical theme they organized around, as a Race.

      Christianity, another metapolitical theme, has developed far beyond Golgotha.

      The Romans based their legions on the Centurion Principle – ONE Centurion could rebuild the entire Roman Army.

      All of these achievements took time, a metapolitical focus, and skillful, disciplined training.

      We don’t need all of the good will, of all of the people, to be effective.

      Consider the governing resources of Los Angeles. Think there are vast sections they can’t control?

      Some see obstacles.

      Christians, and Centurions, see opportunities.

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

      “While I am living as an expatriate these days, I certainly still care about my native land, and I do believe that the idea of a Northwest state is a good one. I’ve been wading through the mass of comments, and my only question regards its feasibility. Mr. Covington suggests that, in a theoretical future time in which the U.S. has become weakened, a colonial uprising could convince the authorities that holding onto the Northwest wouldn’t be worth the price in treasure and blood and they would be willing to let it go. I seriously question this idea. ”

      The slow weakening of the Zionist power elite here in the U.S. is visible from closer up, John. It’s happening. The window of opportunity is approaching. Not anywhere near yet, but we can see the light in the distance coming down the track.

      ‘Naturally, in any state, no matter how severely weakened it is, the last thing it will allow to degrade is its military capability, ”

      There seems to be a general awareness in the upper echelons and in the military itself that the U.S. military IS in fact degrading, due to repeated lengthy deployments and the lower standard of recruits necessary to fill the ranks of a volunteer force sans the draft, which the regime here still doesn’t yet dare to impose. Plus complaints over equipment malfunctions and degradation due to the same thing: long deployments in bad condition and a slow, constipated replacement and repair rate due to the general atherosclerosis throughout the whole system.

      “1. Given the lack of character exhibited by the majority of Whites in the U.S. these days, I wonder where even a small-yet-significant guerrilla army of QUALIFIED (meaning, actually having the necessary know-how, and not just being wizards at target shooting or paintball), dedicated, incorruptible (since the U.S. will surely try to buy them out, as it has done with insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan) men and women, with a strong enough faith in victory to continue fighting even when there seems little chance of success, willing to sacrifice the lives of themselves and their families and to live an extremely austere life by American standards, will come from.”

      Try tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of pissed-off Iraq and Afghanistan vets who are coming home to foreclosed houses, no jobs, and families living on food stamps and in some cases under bridges, as well as zero assistance from the VA. Happening as we speak; we’re already getting some coming around to the NF.

  50. Luek
    Posted April 15, 2011 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    The white homeland movement seems to me a reflection of the Zionist homeland movement of the last and 19th century. Is it just me or do others see the parallels? However, I do support the concept of a whites only homeland in the northwestern part of the present US or elsewhere. Why aren’t the present white residents of the northwest not supporting this movement and helping others who need to immigrate or come home to the northwest? The already established residents aid in finding that all too critical living wage job would be invaluable. I think the job situation is the key to getting this off the ground.

    • Rev. Wayne
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:02 am | Permalink

      In ways there are similarities. I know for instance that we can point and say “the Jews have a homeland, why not us” and that is a valid point. The present Whites meaning the regular Whites that are there? Fact is that one of the reasons for the migration is for the racially aware Whites help make the more Liberal Whites, more racially aware. I can imagine though, in the future, help will be bestowed on those wanting to migrate. Just only problem is resources and such. And not only the job situation either. There are physiological needs, safety, belonging and esteem. Obviously the NF can’t meet all of them but yes I can envision aid to potential new comers in the future. I think as Covington said: you don’t join the Party, the Party joins you.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

      A larger question around the Jews right to a Racial Homeland, which only Covington has the courage to address, is this:

      What would you DO with it?

      It’s the cultural equivalent of compound interest, of a willow that bends with the wind, until it becomes a wall of willows, a wall against the wind..

      Israel offers refuge for criminals to run and hide, safe behind American military power, and Israeli atomic weapons.

      This would have been impossible before the formation of the Zionist entity.

      Our building blocks are suggested in the VNN/F thread by “Hugh,” called “A World View.”

    • Posted April 20, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

      “The white homeland movement seems to me a reflection of the Zionist homeland movement of the last and 19th century. Is it just me or do others see the parallels?”

      The parallels are deliberate. The Jews did it, and we can do it too.

  51. Lew
    Posted April 15, 2011 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    @I:

    It certainly seems at least as meaningful as planting campaign signs.

    Of course. Just to be clear, I agree with you in part, and I’m not dismissing the value of the Internet. WNists are reaching a wider audience than ever thanks to the Internet, and obviously we should continue to use it. Hell, we are using the Internet now.

    I don’t dispute this.

    I just think it’s highly unlikely any form of mass cultural shift in our favor will ever be facilitated through WNist Internet activity alone, or through activity heavily weighted toward Internet participation as opposed to other things.

    There is an old saying in WNist circles: if elections mattered we wouldn’t have them. Well, I believe we should consider the possibility that this principle applies to the Internet too. If Jewry and the ruling class regarded the Internet as a genuine threat to their power, they would pull the plug or crack down on it without hesitation. In fact, they already do this on a smaller scale by yanking videos from YouTube and harassing Web site owners that publish subversive materials. As long as Jewry can maintain de facto control over Internet without resorting to open repression, I would even venture a guess that Jewry wants the Internet around because it gives various dissident groups an outlet talk rather than organize and put boots on the ground.

    I only brought up the campaign signs because HAC asked who here has done something besides talk on the Internet. By that standard, I myself have done next to nothing and don’t claim otherwise, but I did show my face in public and plant signs for an ex-Klansman when I had an OPPORTUNITY to do so. Unfortunately, such opportunities do not exist very often for me or anyone else. And part of the reason for that is that there has been too much emphasis on the Internet.

    The Duke campaign says a lot about what Jewry does and does not perceive to be a threat to their power. Jewry has been harassing Duke going back to the early 70s, but they didn’t unleash all of their power and use every nasty trick in the book against him short of assassination until he was in a position to win state power. Jewry didn’t do any of those things when Duke and his supporters were spending their time holding small meetings, preaching to the choir, and exchanging newsletters (the era’s equivalent of the Internet).

    Now, that isn’t an appeal for electoral politics; I understand we’re not going to vote our way out of this, and I understand that even if Duke had won he would not have been able to change anything fundamental. My point is just that real-world activity focused outside and beyond WNist circles seems to get Jewry’s attention in a way other activities don’t.

    I think it’s reasonable to infer from this that Jews perceive organized, determined, credible real world WNist activity as the biggest potential threat to their power at this time. Such activity has the potential of mobilizing not just nationalists in the real world, but also our many sympatheizers who are sitting quietly on the sidelines.

    This view is also vindicated by the fact that Jews have spent decades going after pretty much everyone who has either done or tried to do anything in the real world.

    This includes Rockwell, Matthews, Lane, Butler, Duke, Metzger, Steele, and Taylor.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

      Lew:

      Jewry has two fears, the White Race and REAL Christianity.

      They have always worked to undermine the Race, and destroy (“deconstruct”) Christianity.

      I think the development of REAL Christianity is an important choice for us, and, politically, framing our arguments in terms of the Constitution works, especially for starters, as in kick-starting the Moment of Awakening.

      These offer us legitimacy, and effectiveness.

      Most of White Nationalism seems deliberately calculated to do the exact opposite.

      There is a reason for that, and that’s why the metapolitical project is so important.

  52. Posted April 15, 2011 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for allowing me to join this discussion. If I may try to refine my point it seems not to be resonating with HAC or most of the contributors. To put it in a different context:
    “What will it take to get you here?

    Fourmyle of Ceres
    Comented on my prevous post-

    “Character” is what you do when no one is looking.
    Movement Past had far too many people of very poor character.
    As Mr. Covington observed, they came for what they thought WNism offered them, and not what they had to offer the Race.”

    My thoughts exactly I get that but that’s not the point. . Can we address the question of whites that wish to move to the area specifically those that HAC would not find suitable for political operatives or a potential candidate for some future NDF. Mr. Johnson hit very close to the mark in another post.
    “One of the best things that WNs can aim at all around the country is to form local communities large enough to build, maintain, and staff a community center with a meeting hall, a kitchen, and even school rooms. It would require the facilities and community support of an average church congregation, many thousands of which exist all over the country. It would be a place where one could gather for educational and community activities, from lectures to classes to workshops to daycare to arts and crafts…”

    Those non-political gatherings could teach the trades, educate on an economical level and fortify the people that will be your base. So what would you do about the people that migrate that don’t meet your character standard? HAC you haven’t answered the question. Would you ignore them or assist your white brothers and sisters? Most here seem to have bigger fish to fry a big picture outlook and don’t wish to discuss minutia. There are two distinct communities that both need to exist in the NW before anything lasting will take or any heavy lifting with happen. One a completly non-political community that builds economic, moral and to a small degree security for all whites in the NW and a second that will implement the rise of our race on the ground. The second would be measured by the character issue as one would expect for positions of power or authority. We all know that many of our people are walking wounded who have been worn down and tormented both physiologically and economically for decades. I don’t find them unimportant or irrelevant. They and their children are why most of us will fight. A race-conscious dedicated community of pro-white has not existed before. At least we have the luxury of hindsight that our forefathers lacked. Wonderful things could result in putting our race back on track with leadership and the help of a white brother in an all-white community. Your one thousand will have little chance of success without out your base and pockets of support all over the country. You won’t get the second without the first. Any resistance movement will surely be doomed for failure if those sympathetic communities are powerless, geographicly sparse and physiologically demoralized.

    So. . .What it will take to get me there – To know all whites, moms, dads, old young infirm and those of lesser character will not be turned away or found irrelevant.

    I want to hear that this is not recruiting for HACS raiders or a politically elite society of WN., Harold do you know (or agree) you need the little people to come first (or with your 1000)? Please share your thoughts.
    D. Logsdon

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 16, 2011 at 8:35 am | Permalink

      Mr. Logsdon:

      Human nature is like water; it seeks its own level, and “likes attract.”

      Everyone has been to a job interview and just felt that it wasn’t right, as well as the opposite.

      The meritocratic nature of what we are doing will take care of most of the self-selection, and the self-selectors will take care of the rest.

      It’s that simple.

  53. Jimmy Marr
    Posted April 15, 2011 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    I enjoy the Northwest narrative
    but abhor the term “imperative”
    A warm invitation
    without hesitation
    will yield a result comparative.

  54. Rev. Wayne
    Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    There were some posts made that are NOT showing up. Why is that? I thought this was a debate??

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

      The only posts that have not showed up are either abusive (we got only one of those, in Limerick form no less), or off topic, or attempts to make this whole debate seem stupid by inserting discussions of water fluoridation, supervolcanoes, UFOs, the UN, them papists, gittin’ yer gun and meetin’ at the pass on I-5, etc., etc. Which of those posts were yours?

      • Christopher Monti
        Posted April 15, 2011 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

        My response to Fourmyle of Ceres’ challenge to write two diary entry’s about life in 2050 didn’t show up. Might have been due to outsiders messing with the sight, but, I can accept that some of the content of my post may have been too intense.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted April 15, 2011 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

          I never received those comments. Perhaps it has to do with the DNS attack.

      • J. Winthrop II
        Posted April 15, 2011 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

        Greg Johnson says “The only posts that have not showed up are either abusive (we got only one of those, in Limerick form no less), or off topic, or attempts to make this whole debate seem stupid by inserting discussions of water fluoridation, supervolcanoes, UFOs, the UN …”

        My reply to Harold Covington from earlier today hasn’t appeared and it was nothing like that.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted April 15, 2011 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

          Your comment has now been posted for all to see. I set it aside because most of what you say falls under the “asked and answered” heading, which is a form of being off topic, and your tone is at the least snarky and dismissive which borders on abusive.

          • J. Winthrop II
            Posted April 16, 2011 at 7:48 am | Permalink

            Greg Johnson says “Your comment has now been posted for all to see. I set it aside because most of what you say falls under the “asked and answered” heading, which is a form of being off topic, and your tone is at the least snarky and dismissive which borders on abusive.”

            Each criticism only gets one round? In answer to my original criticisms Harold Covington responded that more square miles of Washington and Oregon were conservative than liberal, and we needed to bring in more Whites and convert the ones who are there to our cause.

            The number of red counties in Washington don’t change the fact that it’s a deep blue leftist state.

            On bringing in more Whites, well the White population is growing in number, but dropping as a percentage.

            Washington was 78.9% White in 2000, it was 72.5% White in 2010. Down 6.4 points.

            Oregon was 83.5% White in 2000, it was 78.5% White in 2010. Down 5 points.

            In ten years Oregon’s White population grew by 148,232 and Washington’s grew by 224,314, yet Whites still lost ground as a percentage. And those Whites who are there have, based on Patty Murray and Obama’s margins of victory, become even more politically correct and liberal. The implicitly anti-white party is in control. For the Northwest plan to work you’d need many hundreds of thousands of racially awake Whites to move there just to counter the existing PC Whites and to create the critical base of support for the NVA.

            Rather than aiding the rebels the native White population would be turning them in. The rebels would have no sympathizers in high places looking the other way. The local opposition would be unified and relentless. And with Washington and Oregon’s far left wing culture a substantial “anti-fascist” counter militia would not be out of the question.

            I do think there’s some hope for a separatist movement retaking some of the United States, just not those two states, at least not in the foreseeable future.

  55. Euromike
    Posted April 15, 2011 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    @ Trainspotter:
    good comments! We need inspiration in all its various forms to awaken our folk. Yes, in the past white Americans were racially aware and yet we lost tot he new multi-cult paradigm. Why? Because whites did not consciously know and understand the value of our racial identity. It was taken for granted. The Great White Awakening begins under the stress of real need. Inspiration fans the small fire into a blaze. We need artists in all fields to fan the fires. Let a thousand flowers bloom!

    Yesterday I had another frank and revealing talk with a white local tradesman. The awakening is happening. Hard to believe, but it is. The reality of losing our country, losing our status, losing our race is growing at the grass roots.

  56. April Gaede
    Posted April 14, 2011 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    A few comments to clarify. First when I said “moving sucks” I am talking about the hassle of having to pack up all your belongings which in the case of my husband and I meant boxes and boxes of heavy books, finding the money to transport them and all our other worldly possessions to the new location, learning the new location when we got there, finding new jobs and just dealing with the stress of it all. Yes Montana turned out to be a thousand times better than we had hoped but still it is recognized that moving is one of the most stressful things a person can do in their lives.

    Secondly the statistics of the white population of Montana is very misleading since the Indians are mostly all on the rez and not in the towns. Our county is 96% or more white. Also the percentage of voters who voted for Bongo is misleading since most of us right wingers and patriots voted for Ron Paul or refused to vote for McCain. So when the smart white people realize they have something to work they will become involved. That is how Chuck Baldwin was able to speak to a packed house on a Tuesday night in the middle of a blizzard this last winter, with over 500 people attending.

    Lastly, I am not for democracy, here already I have had to realize that is just doesn’t work, even in a very small group, someone has to take the lead and get things done. It was not something that I planned, it just happened. Taking the lead position has very few perks and is mostly a pain in the ass truth be told, but since it is something that has to be done, I am going to have to do it until someone else shows themselves.

  57. Posted April 14, 2011 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    The latest Radio Free Northwest is now available for download at

    http://northwestfront.org/2011/04/radio-free-northwest-april-14th-2011/

  58. Lew
    Posted April 14, 2011 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    @Trainspotter:

    If you care to answer, my question for you is this: what do you propose American racial nationalists DO right now? Specifically?

    Not at some theoretical time in the future. Now.

    HAC is explaining what he wants people to DO, right now. Pack up, move to the PNW, start networking, move on to activism, then take further action as conditions on the ground dictate. Those are specific details, and while I agree one could multiply objections to his plan ad infinitum, he is not suggesting something that’s impossible.

    Having read your post, I an can’t find alternative argument for what people should do.

    • Trainspotter
      Posted April 14, 2011 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

      This will be my last longish post in this debate, apologies to Greg. Possibly last post period, at least for awhile.

      Lew, I’m not terribly interested in telling people what to do. In a sense, this is an open source venture. Various people will try various things – let a thousand flowers bloom. We’ll see what works.

      My own view is that we must attempt to fill the spiritual/intellectual vacuum that is opening up before our eyes. Yes, we have tasted nothing but defeat for decades now, but we are beginning to adapt. I myself, and most people that I know, weren’t even thinking in these terms until a relatively few years ago. Most pro white sites didn’t even talk about a way forward, confining themselves to critiques of the current system, outrage over black on white crimes, handy IQ charts, and most importantly explaining the Jewish role in our decline. Those things are important, vitally so, but they aren’t going to get us where we need to go. Critique is one thing, a way forward is another.

      Up until fairly recently, whites still felt like this was “their” country. That’s beginning to change in a big way, and with it a huge opportunity for us.

      My own view is that we are early adopters of the idea of an all white land, but that this idea can be spread fairly widely in the coming decade or so. There is a turning in the collective mind, and I doubt that it can be derailed (Hi Hunter!).

      We are beginning to truly understand our situation, and are looking for a way forward. The Northwest idea itself is symptomatic of this casting about, this questing. That’s a good thing.

      So, in short, do what you want, what you can, what you think has the biggest payoff. For me, I believe the most important work is creating a new intellectual foundation (which is facilitated by sites like this, Majority Rights, The Occidental Observer, AltRight, etc.) and then employing art (fiction, music, film, etc.) to spread the message, fleshing it out with blood and sinew, creating the vision. As this happens, more associations, networks and micro communities of all sorts will develop, all more or less pushing in the same direction: toward a land of our own.

      In that way, the Northwest idea has already played a role in the solution, as Covington has shown us what can be done with fiction. Think about it: all these decades, and what was produced: the utterly unrealistic slaughterfest of The Turner Diaries, and then throw in The Hunter for good measure. I’m a big fan of Dr. Pierce, he was a great man, and his passing was a terrible loss. He did more than anyone in his time to lay an intellectual foundation for white nationalism. But his fiction, while compelling, did not properly flesh out a vision, a way forward. In fact, he talked very little about where to go from here in his nonfiction. Brilliant critiques, but not much in the way forward department.

      Decades went by, and that’s pretty much all we had to show for it. Then comes Covington, and he – brilliantly – takes an entirely different approach.

      We need more and better fiction writers. We need artists (go to youtube and search for Smiling White Faces – it’s a cool song, seems to have popped up out of nowhere. We’ll know we’re getting somewhere when things like this keep coming, as opposed to just being one offs).

      We need people who can put heart and soul and beauty and fury into this whole thing, people who can resonate and connect with our people at their very core. We will not win without the artist, and we will not lose with him.

      • I
        Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:42 am | Permalink

        For me, I believe the most important work is creating a new intellectual foundation (which is facilitated by sites like this, Majority Rights, The Occidental Observer, AltRight, etc.) and then employing art (fiction, music, film, etc.) to spread the message, fleshing it out with blood and sinew, creating the vision.

        Yep. This is exactly what is needed.

        We need more and better fiction writers. We need artists (go to youtube and search for Smiling White Faces – it’s a cool song, seems to have popped up out of nowhere. We’ll know we’re getting somewhere when things like this keep coming, as opposed to just being one offs).

        It’s here: Smiling White Faces – “To Be or Not to Be”

        That’s pretty inspired. Definitely the kind of thing we need more of.

      • Lew
        Posted April 15, 2011 at 9:14 am | Permalink

        Thanks for responding. I hope you can find time for more participation. I also hope HAC returns to address your objections, especially your point about a weakening federal government. Specifically, if the federal government is going to weaken so badly, why settle for only the northwest? That’s a very strong objection.

        I don’t disagree with anything in your post about the absolute necessity of laying an intellectual foundation and spreading a vision across the culture. Fiction would be a great way to do this. A book with ideas that penetrate the public consciousness would help a lot. A parallel to Uncle Tom’s Cabin or Atlas Shrugged would be ideal.

        Still, while the people who argue we need develop the vision are right, my perception is that ignore the necessity of disseminating the vision for it to have its intended effect. Developing the intellectual foundation and vision are necessary but not sufficient. I know everyone here knows that, of course. Developing the ideas and then spreading the ideas far and wide would be sufficient. The problem is there is no way to spread them far and wide, and this a factor the “let’s change the culture first” faction always seems to ignore.

        The enemy is not going to surrender the cultural and opinion shaping institutions. They’re not going to do it. Control of media, Hollywood and publishing will be the LAST thing they surrender. George Orwell’s insight applies here, I think. Orwell depicted a world where Oceania was falling apart with everyone living in abject poverty, yet that didn’t stop the Ministry of Truth from pumping out mass propaganda daily. The more conditions deteriorated, the more emphasis the Inner Party placed on mass propaganda.

        The standard response here is usually “well, we have the Internet now and did not in the past.” This is true, but they can pull the plug any time they want.

        Jews control Google, Jews control Facebook, Jews control You Tube, and I’m sure the US federal government or Israel can shut down the Internet’s top level DNS servers at any time they choose. So any plan to spread a vision has the obvious weakness of something that could disappear at any time will always be there.

        My concern is what we will come up with at the end of this discussion is futility.

        • Trainspotter
          Posted April 15, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

          Lew: ‘The enemy is not going to surrender the cultural and opinion shaping institutions. They’re not going to do it. Control of media, Hollywood and publishing will be the LAST thing they surrender.”

          Very true. I’m not proposing a march through the institutions, as that will never be allowed. Ultimately, we’ll have to remove the existing institutions entirely (or at least their current occupants), root and branch, putting in their place institutions that are not hostile to the survival of our people. But that’s getting ahead of ourselves. Right now, we’ve got to reach the future elite.

          The reality is that, today – right now – we do have the internet. We have the capacity to reach more people than ever before. We must use it while it is still available. If we lose it, we’ll adapt.

          Frankly, I think it would be a major blunder for the regime to be that heavy handed and blatant in trashing the First Amendment, rather than its current nibbling around the edges. We’ll know we’re getting somewhere when that happens.

    • Posted April 15, 2011 at 8:12 am | Permalink

      “Having read your post, I an can’t find alternative argument for what people should do.”

      Lew, let’s be realistic. I’m not bitching and moaning when I say that the majority of the people reading these posts are not going to DO anything at all, EVER. I am just being practical. I’m looking for the tiny minority of people who are different.

      I would be really curious to know:

      A) How many people reading these posts have ever physically DONE anything at all other than (maybe) attend a suit-and-tie meeting in a rented motel banquet room?

      B) How many people reading these posts have ever done anything non-internet at all?

      C) How many people reading these posts have ever physically met another White Nationalist in the flesh, at all?

      • Lew
        Posted April 15, 2011 at 11:12 am | Permalink

        I was a low-level volunteer for Duke in the early 90s, on the ground in the real world. My job was planting campaign signs in the ground that said DUKE. I haven’t done anything since but hit the conferences a few times, although, it’s not as if there has been a wealth of opportunities to do much either. And that’s the problem. No one is doing anything in the real world (including me).

        This is another problem with the “let’s change the culture first” approach; it leaves almost all racially conscious folks with little to do because most are not qualified for metapolitical work, and there is no real-world brick and mortar vehicle through which they can take other useful action. Only a very small number of people are qualified to work with ideas and metapolitics full time. There’s you, Greg, KMD, the writers and editors at alt right, here and at TOO and that’s about it. It makes sense for this group to primarily work through the Internet as opposed “doing something” in the “real world.” Figuring out what everyone else should be doing that will make a difference is the challenge.

        • I
          Posted April 15, 2011 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

          This is another problem with the “let’s change the culture first” approach; it leaves almost all racially conscious folks with little to do because most are not qualified for metapolitical work, and there is no real-world brick and mortar vehicle through which they can take other useful action. Only a very small number of people are qualified to work with ideas and metapolitics full time.

          People can stake out some area of cyberspace occupied by White people of a similar background as themselves and promote racialist ideas. The more people we have doing that, the better. I disagree with people who say that’s not “doing something”. It certainly seems at least as meaningful as planting campaign signs. They do not have to be particularly intelligent or have a lot of original ideas themselves, they can just talk about the basics. I don’t really see what Covington is suggesting people do, other than move to the PNW. Then what? “Organize”, sure, but I don’t exactly see a concrete plan with specific steps for what to do. He is pretending that he has something to offer when it appears that he does not. I don’t see much other than the illusion of “doing something”.

          If you want to do real world stuff, there are anti-immigration groups, anti-Zionist groups, anti-Fed groups, 9/11 groups, etc. that people can join that share common goals with WNs.

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

            Remaining in cyberspace or collaborating with the groups you name have a common denominator: they diffuse our very limited powers rather than concentrate them. Covington is right to think that we need to concentrate enough WNs in a given area to have a face to face physical community. Then many things become possible that are not possible now. One will have new social, cultural, and business opportunities, as well as political opportunities.

            Do you really need the benefits of a concrete racialist community spelled out to you?

            Even if one does not wish to move to the PNW, racialists should still think of arranging their lives so that they can gather in face to face communities in whatever part of the country you live in.

            And when some blowhard starts in about ZOG sending helicopters to murder us if we live withing walking distance of one another, you really have to question either his motives or his sanity.

          • I
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

            Do you really need the benefits of a concrete racialist community spelled out to you?

            Yes, I do.

            I’d also like to know how you prevent this community from being either covertly infiltrated or overtly attacked, as happens to every WN group that gets organized in the real world. Everyone keeps saying that infiltration is not such a big issue because the Northwest Front will remain fragmented into small groups, so that if one group gets infiltrated, it does not affect the others. But if everything remains fragmented, then don’t you also lose the benefits of being able to coordinate a large group of people?

            The groups I name do not necessarily diffuse our efforts – in fact, they can amplify them, because they allow us to enlist people who do not agree with us on many/most issues in working toward our goals.

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

            Joining a Tea Party group means working for their goals, not ours. I have had this conversation with “Hunter Wallace.”

            As for infiltration and attacks: none of this is risk free. We will perish from this earth if we do not form real world communities and organizations that concentrate and magnify our efforts. Of that, I am certain. Given that this is the alternative, I think we need to take some risks.

            That said, I think we can also do things to manage risks. The first thing is to keep away kooks. White nationalists are among the best people I know. They are also overrepresented among the most crazy, vicious, dishonest, cowardly, and pusillanimous people I know. But the benefits of real world camaraderie and collaboration have so far outweighed the negatives. Although I admit that I am growing increasingly weary and leery of movement people. But life is duty.

          • I
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

            Joining a Tea Party group means working for their goals, not ours. I have had this conversation with “Hunter Wallace.”

            Where did I say anything about Tea Party groups? Obviously the Tea Party is mass media-controlled phony opposition at best (even that’s a stretch, since they don’t pretend to be anything other than extremely pro-Jew), and all that conservative bullshit is poison in general, as the last 60 years have demonstrated.

            I am not talking about voting. That’s the other major dumb racialist idea, that we can get a pro-White candidate elected without building up any real world social power first. You can’t do that any more than you can secede and form an ethnostate without first having a lot of social power. Both of these strategies are for suckers. I am thinking more along the lines of single-issue groups that are taking real world action.

            Look at what the Jews did to take over the US – their strategy largely consisted of many separate movements that were only loosely allied with one another (and sometimes in conflict). And these movements were generally not explicitly “pro-Jewish”, and in fact most concealed their motives. Concealing motives is something that intelligent people do. Most White people in anti-immigration or anti-Zionist groups are going to be implicitly racialist, at least. I think that, at this time, joining such an organization is a much better idea than working toward some half-cocked secessionist scheme. I mean, people are welcome to do what they like, but it would be nice if WNs were not in general so fixated on stupid and unworkable ideas. Why not look at what actually works, and then do that?

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

            Anti-Zionist, anti-immigration, and whatever else you might name has the same problem as the Tea Party or the Republicans: they don’t want what we want, so working with them means working for their goals not ours.

          • Fourmyle of Ceres
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

            No one seems to have has a better Plan than the Northwest Republic, particularly as the temporal bridge to the metapolitical system.

            The NEXT Step – and the greatest strength of the Northwest Republic as an Analytical Model is it always has an answer to The Question, “And THEN What?” – offers many possibilities.

            The metapolitical theme suggests a philosophical- religious system, within the framework of Christianity, and Christian Institutions.

            We could develop a Cliff’s Notes version of “Imperium,” and begin building a philosophical foundation, in an “All-American, apple-pie. strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)

            Focus Northwest

          • Trainspotter
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

            Greg Johnson: “Although I admit that I am growing increasingly weary and leery of movement people.”

            I don’t think this thread is the appropriate place, and I don’t want to derail it. But I’d be interested if, at another time, you choose to expand upon this. I’m truly hoping that things aren’t getting even worse in this department.

            I don’t suggest this as a means of engaging in idle gossip, but because it seems to be one of the biggest obstacles in creating – and sustaining – communities. People like you and April have had more contact with more people than most of the rest of us, and I’m sure you’ve developed an insight or two along the way.

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

            One of the best things that WNs can aim at all around the country is to form local communities large enough to build, maintain, and staff a community center with a meeting hall, a kitchen, and even school rooms. It would require the facilities and community support of an average church congregation, many thousands of which exist all over the country. It would be a place where one could gather for educational and community activities, from lectures to classes to workshops to daycare to arts and crafts to sports teams.

            But wait. We might get into trouble. So just forget it, OK?

          • Fourmyle of Ceres
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

            I:

            Where the tiny men see obstacles, the great men see opportunities. (HT: Savitri Devi)

            We were “infiltrated” from Day One, and will always be “infiltrated.” We were “infiltrated” by adopting the Words, Definitions and ridiculous examples given to us by our Enemies, , for THEIR purposes.

            Why not show them something to be proud of?

            Why not exfiltrate into the Community around us, leading by example?

            The most segregated places in America are churches, and the Families that give them life.

            Softly tolerate THEIR Leaders, BE ONE, and support the metapolitical project, coming soon, to a church near you!

          • ben tillman
            Posted April 18, 2011 at 10:39 am | Permalink

            That’s the best comment you’ve made so far.

          • Alexander
            Posted April 18, 2011 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

            Nice to know that I am not alone on Sunday mornings.

          • Posted April 15, 2011 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

            @ “…but I don’t exactly see a concrete plan with specific steps for what to do.”

            There is a concrete plan. Please read Covington’s The Butler Plan.

          • Posted April 15, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

            “I’d also like to know how you prevent this community from being either covertly infiltrated or overtly attacked, as happens to every WN group that gets organized in the real world.”

            You don’t. You simply assume that this will happen and you insure that your survival depends on an IDEA rather than a specific group of people. The Song, Not The Singer as I once entitled one of my articles.

            The FBI cannot infiltrate or undermine or fabricate a criminal case against an IDEA. I suspect that a lot of the screaming and cackling on the internet from a small number of Induhviduals is an attempt to undermine the Northwest Imperative or at least to shout it down, but that is as close as they can come and it’s not working.

        • Wandrin
          Posted April 15, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

          “This is another problem with the “let’s change the culture first” approach; it leaves almost all racially conscious folks with little to do because most are not qualified for metapolitical work, and there is no real-world brick and mortar vehicle through which they can take other useful action.”

          I don’t think this is true long-term but it’s probably true-ish now. If successful, eventually the culture critquers will expand out a bit and be able to provide ready-made lines and slogans for people to pick up, slap on posters and use in the real world. But not quite there yet.

          @Trainspotter and I,

          This may not suit you but just in case you don’t it,

          http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/

          for culture critiquers.

        • Trainspotter
          Posted April 15, 2011 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

          Lew: ‘This is another problem with the “let’s change the culture first” approach; it leaves almost all racially conscious folks with little to do because most are not qualified for metapolitical work, and there is no real-world brick and mortar vehicle through which they can take other useful action. Only a very small number of people are qualified to work with ideas and metapolitics full time.”

          Not that I’m telling you anything that you don’t know, but there are lots of things normal people can do. Talk to people. Establish friendly rapport, and spread our ideas face to face, one on one, without an audience looking on. I do this all the time, and almost never get a bad reaction.

          If a person is able, he should consider financially supporting those people who have demonstrated talent and have chosen to devote their full energies to the cause. You are right that there are only a relative handful of such people right now, but they are literally the most important men and women alive today.

          There are countless additional possibilities, from a political party (A3P) to, indeed, commenting on sites like this. Good sites have good commenters, it’s just that simple. Good commenters help build sites and make them more appealing to visitors.

          The important point is that changing the culture is not just a top down exercise, but a bottom up process as well. Everyone can pull in the same direction, be they full timers or not.

          I know you’re not doing this, but we must avoid the false dichotomy of choosing either/or – like a certain someone attacking a tiny handful of intellectuals, who presumably should have closed up shop to become “active.'” It would be an absurd disaster for the relatively few high quality intellectuals/writers that we have to fold up shop and, I don’t know, I suppose join NumbersUSA. Utterly insane.

          At the same time, it would be ridiculous to send the message that if someone isn’t intellectually inclined, therefore they have nothing to contribute. It’s a false dichotomy, absurdly so, and if it weren’t for the bizarre turn of events of last year, I wouldn’t have even entertained the idea that this required discussion. Apparently, it does.

          • Trainspotter
            Posted April 16, 2011 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

            I should also add, though I’ve tried to make it clear elsewhere, that I think it perfectly legitimate to work on the Northwest plan. While I don’t see it as a realistic end point, it may have an important role to play in our future as a people. In some ways, it already has.

  59. Question for HAC
    Posted April 13, 2011 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    1. How many people, roughly, have migrated as a part of the NW plan?

    2. How many people, roughly, currently live in the NW plan area who can be considered:

    (a) potential volunteers?

    (b) potential collaborators/helpers but not brave enough to be a volunteer?

    3. I understand the problems with lawyers, bankers, politicians, and federal government employees. But many of these people are White racialists, or White Nationalists, but hate their jobs and only do it out of lack of choice or to pay the bills. Will their be some type of chance or opportunity for them to “repent” and to help out? How will you weed out the useful Whites from the pernicious occupations?

    Thanks and keep up the great work

    Tom

    • Posted April 15, 2011 at 8:02 am | Permalink

      “1. How many people, roughly, have migrated as a part of the NW plan?”

      More than there were this time last year, but not as many as there will be this time next year. For obvious reasons, I’m not going to give out specific numbers.

      In a general way, yes, it’s happening–just not anywhere fast enough.

      “2. How many people, roughly, currently live in the NW plan area who can be considered:

      (a) potential volunteers?

      (b) potential collaborators/helpers but not brave enough to be a volunteer?”

      Lots, if we can ever get the first local activity teams set up and actually begin local activity. Not enough boots on the ground yet. Too much tap-tap-tapping and not enough pack-pack-packing.

  60. Posted April 13, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    A couple of people have asked why not the “heartland” area, which I concede is still largely White. But we’re not trying to move to an all-White area, we are trying to create one, a Homeland for us all. The objective is to create a viable nation for White people and to avoid small, non-viable, surrounded enclaves.

    The new Homeland must meet several criteria:

    1. The Homeland must be big, big enough to grow into over many generations. Lebensraum, as it were. That lets out New England.

    2. It must be a contiguous all-White land mass. Enclaves would eventually be overrun. That lets out Matt Hale’s “everybody move to Peoria and take over the county” idea, although becoming predominant in certain localities within the Northwest is a good idea with which to begin an eventual Northwest-wide revolution.

    3. There must be sufficient natural resources and infrastructure to support, feed, and clothe a growing nation and create industry. That rules out New England as well. The Northwest presently has most of what we will need and we can jury-rig the rest. Towards the end in Rhodesia we were manufacturing everything from our own steel to our own Scotch; it was only a failure of political will that destroyed the country.

    4. The new nation must have an extensive COASTLINE with viable deep-water harbors. It must not be landlocked and dependent on flight over hostile territory for communication with the outside world. We will also need access to the sea for commercial fishing and desalinization and mineral extraction, all of which will be necessary.

    5. Remember, the Northwest idea was not invented by me. It’s been around for about twenty years, and all unsung there is in fact migration already going on, including a fair amount of overt racially conscious migration, especially by religious people to Idaho and northern Utah. There is also a large amount of “organic migration” on the part of conservative White people who will not openly admit (yet) to racial feelings, but who are basically fleeing the mudflow, especially from California.

    6. The land of the Northwest is already sanctified with the blood of martyrs such as Vicky and Sam Weaver, Gordon Kahl, Bob Matthews and Richard Butler. We cannot and should not turn away from this legacy which has been given to us by some of the few truly heroic White people of this generation, and we owe it to them to make sure they did not suffer in vain.

  61. Trainspotter
    Posted April 13, 2011 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    (Obvious disclaimer: what follows is not advocacy, but mere intellectual discussion of hypotheticals)

    I’ll state from the beginning that my position on this is a bit awkward. I’m a fan of Covington’s Northwest books, and recommend them to others. Whatever one may think of Covington the person, he is pretty much alone in creating a vision of a way forward, a mythos that both inspires and perhaps even has a bit of credibility. His fiction is a powerful tool giving shape to the dream of an all white nation, a land of our own. This is the only dream that matters, and anyone who has figured out a way to shape and nurture it has my deepest appreciation. Covington is doing this in a way that nobody else is. I’ve read all four of the Northwest novels, and am looking forward to the fifth.

    Then, at a level far below that of the romantic vision, there is the meat and potatoes plan. Covington often says that nobody else has a plan, but the Northwesters do. He’s more or less right about that too. Fortune favors the bold, and the Northwest idea is alive largely because one man – Covington – has poured his not inconsiderable writing and speaking talents into making it so.

    Now for the awkward part: both intellectually and in my gut, I just don’t buy that the Northwest is the “answer,” in the way that Convington advocates. I think it may be part of the answer, which is why I recommend his books. But not “the answer,” if you take the distinction.

    There are countless practical arguments to be addressed, and I’ll skip most of them. But I would point out a few things:

    1. There are still approximately two hundred million whites on the North American continent, and many hundreds of millions more throughout the world. Even in the United States, there are certainly well over 150 million of us, arguably 200 million. Yes, there are now well over 100 million non-whites here as well, which is truly a nauseating figure. But those nonwhites are largely concentrated in a few areas of the country. There is still a vast white (or largely so) hinterland out there. From a purely pragmatic level, how much sense does it make to cede all of that land and white population to our enemies? Leaving it all entirely unmolested, for our enemies to marshal and exploit, utilized against us?

    2. Historically, few people will relocate for a revolutionary purpose. Some will, but most people rebel the way they shop for groceries – close to home. This is not a “character” issue, it is basic human nature. So even if the Northwest idea worked, there would be sympathetic whites all over the vast white hinterland. Why write them off? From a purely revolutionary standpoint, it makes no sense. A basic rule of conflict is to marshal one’s own resources and deny resources to your opponent.

    3. Covington himself admits that violent rebellion – if the feds are at the top of their game – is a non starter. He even says that it wouldn’t work as of today, but that the feds are in rapid decline. So far, so good. But if the feds decline enough to make the Northwest idea viable, why not more? Why not the vast white hinterland, or at least large chunks of it? If the feds become so weak that violent revolution becomes viable, why cede them vast swathes of still largely white America (not to mention the rest of the white world)? Again, it simply doesn’t make sense, on a purely practical level. Either the Feds become vulnerable or they don’t, not to put too fine a point on it. If they are vulnerable, why leave them unmolested, to become Brazil North bristling with nuclear weapons?

    I could go on and on in this vein, but here is the reality: the Northwest idea, while not originated by Covington, has been given life by Covington. It has been given life because he has taken the time, and utilized his talent, to create a vision. It is a powerful one, and I will be eternally grateful to him for that. But it can be done elsewhere as well. Covington has, more or less, a monopoly in the vision department for one simple reason: he’s the only one bothering to do it! It’s not out of any great virtue of the Northwest per se. What he is doing can be done for our people all over the country, perhaps all over the world.

    The real problem is that, for almost anyone reading this, the winds have been going against us our entire lives. An ever growing non-white population, a never ending hollowing out of our culture, more and more miscegenation, constant assaults on our aesthetic and spiritual sensibilities, a thousand other offenses. Everything we care about constantly degraded and destroyed, our noses rubbed in it daily. The entire geist, the spirit of the times, working against us. Entropy, we have only known ye!

    That is the war that we must fight first, and it is fundamentally a spiritual one. Broadly speaking, it is metapolitics. Greg Johnson understands this entirely, and not to offer him praise that he may not want, he is one of the most important men alive today. I’m not engaging in hyperbole either. In any event, metapolitics is th e struggle at the moment, and the goal must be to reverse our spiritual decline as a people, to redevelop a sense of ourselves, and to demand habitat of our own, all across the white world. To demand control of our destiny.

    Remember, as bad as things are, and as bad as the future is going to be if present trends are not reversed, as of today not a single white nation has gone over into nonwhite majority status. As bad as our situation is, and it is terrible, we still have the warm bodies – many hundreds of millions of them across the planet. To chuck that all away and try to just grab a few states in the Northwest would be a phenomenal abandonment and surrender, and as a practical matter probably would not work. Worth a try if all else fails? Quite possibly. But the only thing we should be doing? Come on.

    I was very young in the early/mid eighties, but I remember hearing about the Order. Almost everyone around me would have been fairly racially conscious at the time, from my young peers to pretty much all the adults I knew. And yet, The Order didn’t even come onto our radar (well, it came onto mine a bit, but without the internet, I didn’t really know all that much at the time). I don’t recall it making a positive impression on anyone in my racially conscious circle. I don’t even remember it ever really being a topic of conversation. I think it just came across as some strange guys running around in the hills, until they inevitably got caught.

    How different it could be from that! What if significant numbers of whites (not necessarily a majority, but significant numbers) had come to believe that a white nation was not only a good thing, but perhaps necessary. What if, instead of being seen as weirdos, many saw those men as heroes? What if they inspired millions?

    It’s true that much has changed in the years since then. The threat to our survival as a people is far more obvious today, and the legitimacy of the feds far less. Racially conscious people feel alienated from the System in a way that they didn’t back then. There is a lot of potential there. Nature abhors a vacuum, and a vacuum is being created by the current System’s cratering legitimacy. We must fill it.

    Unless we do, I fear that any Northwest activity would amount to nothing more than the Order Part Two, accompplishing absolutely nothing for our people. On the other hand, if we can make any progress at all on the metapolitical level, on the spiritual level, it might be a very different story. Do we want Paul Revere, a wake up call? Or just another historical oddity that resonates not a whit with our kin? The difference between the two basically comes down to whatever our metapolitical context is at the time.

    That’s why I say that the Northwest idea may be part of the solution, but it is not the solution. I don’t condemn it, but it is not the fundamental fight of the next decade or so.

    Covington makes a big point about how time is running out. He’s largely right, but not entirely. Time is running out on our ability to restore most of our white territory as white habitat. Time is running out to save all of our ancestral homelands. But even that time has not yet run out, though the hour draws rather near.

    But let’s be honest: if the most we can hope to accomplish is to hold onto about one percent of the formerly great white world, the clock hasn’t exactly hit midnight yet. If that’s truly the best we can do, then so be it. But I think we can do better than that and, while perhaps a bit counterintuitive, I think our odds are better if we are more ambitious. Unless we can develop, in a significant portion of our people, the will to survive, we’re in trouble. But with that will, much becomes possible. A confident, assertive and determined people don’t settle for the small piece of the pie. They make the other guy settle for the small piece. They don’t settle for three states, but rather they might – might – deign to give three states. And that’s a serious might.

    I’m not trying to talk tough here, but simply pointing out how, historically, a self confident and determined people behave. Our problem is not one of character per se (though I don’t doubt that’s part of it), but something far more simple: we don’t believe in our ourselves, and that is part of what I mean by metapolitics. So to the Northwesters, I say keep your passion. I don’t intend to rain on your parade. If someone is in a position to do so, move there. Again, since I believe that it may be part of the solution, I am heartened when I hear of people who have moved there, like April Gaede and now Chuck Baldwin. I think it’s great.

    Most importantly, you’ve created a vision and a plan, which those of us with broader goals have not yet done. Here is to hoping that we do. This thing isn’t either/or. Just as I have no animosity, and in fact considerable sympathy, for the Northwesters, there is no reason that they can’t reciprocate. There are legitimate points on both sides.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

      (1) Wow, I am humbled and will try to live up to your kind words.

      (2) I am also glad to see that you are back and commenting. We need your input.

      (3) Your main point reminds me of Tom Metzger’s reply to the Mexicans who want to annex California and ethnically cleanse it: How about annexing Baja California and ethnically cleansing it? That’s the spirit.

      (4) If you look at a map of the US broken down by county, the vast majority of the 100 million non-whites are geographically concentrated in a very small part of the country, mostly urban areas.

      (5) Imagine a nation-wide racially conscious peasant insurgency. White Nationalism meets Mao and Che.

      (6) Imagine a Singapore solution in America: Malaysia wanted to rid itself of Chinese, so it drew a line around the largest Chinese population and told them to form their own state. How many counties–not states, counties–would we have to hive off to create a vast white ethnostate?

      (7) Imagine the power dynamics if the elites in the city states of NYC and LA had to bargain with racially conscious whites to keep the water running, the food delivered, and the power on, so they are not left alone in the dark with their precious non-whites, especially hungry ones. There would be a lot less poison being broadcast out of such places if we controlled the food and water going in.

      Imagine if flyover country starting shooting them down.

      Hell, I can imagine any number of beatific visions. Perhaps a whole novel’s worth.

      Seriously, though, there is much to be said for your thinking, and the way to reconcile it with the NW homeland idea is this: When the system breaks down sufficiently that new sovereign entities can even think of emerging, the NW Front might lead the way, but I would not be surprised if copycat movements popped up all over the country as well, meaning that the system would be fighting not just a separatist army in the NW, but separatists of one stripe or another in all 50 states. And if that happened, then the success of the NW project would be much more likely, for the system would have to spread its forces over the whole country rather than concentrating them in the NW.

      • Trainspotter
        Posted April 14, 2011 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

        Greg Johnson: “Seriously, though, there is much to be said for your thinking, and the way to reconcile it with the NW homeland idea is this: When the system breaks down sufficiently that new sovereign entities can even think of emerging, the NW Front might lead the way, but I would not be surprised if copycat movements popped up all over the country as well, meaning that the system would be fighting not just a separatist army in the NW, but separatists of one stripe or another in all 50 states. And if that happened, then the success of the NW project would be much more likely, for the system would have to spread its forces over the whole country rather than concentrating them in the NW.”

        Yes, pretty much. It could involve separatists of various stripes, or of a single stripe. That’s not an essential distinction – whatever works.

        The more fundamental point is whether we can develop a compelling vision for a white future that has broad appeal. As we’ve seen, there was a time when most whites were racially aware, and yet that didn’t prevent them from losing the country (the Hunter Wallace “go back to what has demonstrably failed for multiple generations” approach).

        More is needed, a sustainable vision for the future. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought that’s what sites like Counter-Currents are all about? That sustainable vision will, at its core, involve homogenous white nations. Nothing else will work, therefore nothing else is sustainable.

        I’m simply saying that if we can’t develop that vision in a meaningful number of whites, then I don’t think much of anything is going to work, the Northwest idea included. But if we can develop it, then far more will be possible than losing 99 percent of the white world.

        In other words, in for a penny, in for a pound.

        Greg Johnson: “Hell, I can imagine any number of beatific visions. Perhaps a whole novel’s worth.”

        Not sure about the spirit in which you say this, but I hope that you would take it seriously. You know a lot of writers. More good fiction is exactly what we need, fiction that doesn’t merely critique but formulates a vision and a way forward. Like I’ve said, the only reason the Northwest idea is alive at all is because one man has taken the time to create an appealing vision. One man.

        Covington didn’t fall into the trap of a totally unrealistic (though fun to read) Turner Diaries nuclear war/slaughterfest. He did something different, and created something important as a result. This has absolutely nothing to do with any virtue of the Northwest per se, yet he’s got more and more people thinking about it. That’s how it’s done. Now imagine it being done by more people and reaching a broader audience, and including other forms of art…

    • Posted April 14, 2011 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

      Trainspotter,

      There are some nationalists who, like Wm. Pierce at the end of his Diaries, want to take over the entire world for the white race as a just retribution after this astronomical betrayal that put all of us in danger of extinction. I for one would be delighted to turn the tide, take over Baja California and even, as Kendall told Andrew Jackson, make that the Nordic whites become a majority… in Mexico!

      But these fantastic scenarios are not the point. The point is that most whites in America and Europe have been “snatched” by the Judeo-liberal left and, mixing film metaphors, are now walking with a slow emotionless trance-like stride across the land like herded livestock to feed the Morlocks.

      Unlike the film, the PC siren in the West doesn’t stop. If we want to rescue the millions of Weenas and the others trapped at the other side of the NW Republic we must have at least a small piece of the US pie secure before venturing in more ambitious objectives.

      • Trainspotter
        Posted April 14, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

        Chechar: “But these fantastic scenarios are not the point.”

        I agree that the Turner Diaries are, though a compelling read, utterly fantastic – and not in a good way.

        But why is it “fantastic” for whites to secure all or most of our homelands, rather than about 1 percent of the formerly great white world?

        The bottom line is that we can either develop a new and compelling vision for whites, or we can’t. We will either succeed in that task, or we will fail. One or the other. If we fail, it is unlikely that anything will work, including the Northwest idea. If we succeed, on the other hand, the “fantastic” can become quite real.

        For no other people in the world is it seen as “fantastic” that they hold onto most of their current land and population. Only we whites think that way, so psychologically defeated have we become.

        Again, in for a penny, in for a pound. It’s most likely a winner takes all situation, more or less. Either federal power becomes vulnerable or it doesn’t. Either we can develop a powerful vision or we can’t, and so forth.

        The Northwest idea, in truth, doesn’t reflect a realistic final outcome. It might get things going, it might serve as inspiration, but it’s not a realistic endpoint – it simply doesn’t reflect the balance of forces in play. We will either get less than that (probably nothing at all) or far more, because we will either address our fundamental problem or we won’t. Until we do so, the balance of forces are approximately zero for us, everything for the other guy. Once the problem is addressed, the balance of forces will change dramatically, one might even say fantastically.

        • Posted April 15, 2011 at 12:30 am | Permalink

          @ “The Northwest idea, in truth, doesn’t reflect a realistic final outcome.”

          I’d like to read the final novel of the saga to make my own mind. But Covington’s point has been already expressed. His novels are not to be understood as a blueprint of what we must literally do. It’s a harangue for what we must be.

          @ “Until we do so, the balance of forces are approximately zero for us, everything for the other guy. Once the problem is addressed, the balance of forces will change dramatically, one might even say fantastically.”

          A very short C-C article by Venner explains it all: “Europe appears dead but is merely sleeping and will soon awake.”

          My guess is that if whites awake they won’t only reclaim 1% or 99% of their formerly surrendered lands. They could start colonizing entire continents again.

          “Europe’s ‘dormition’ will not be eternal.”

  62. Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Ward, have you read the draft Constitution? If not, check it out at

    http://northwestfront.org/about/nar-constitution/

    It is not an NS document and I did not write it, at least not all of it. It was produced in 2006 by a genuine Constitutional Committee, including some of the Order men such as David Lane, David Tate, and Bruce Pierce.

    I think it allows for sufficient flexibility and creative input from the citizens’ roll while eliminating the worst abuses extant in current American society.

  63. Posted April 13, 2011 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    HAC

    Let me preface my comments before my broader statement. I concede your approach is almost the only game in town if by no other reason that you want to act, and act now. Your plan is a call for legal action as it should be and starts with the beginning not an abstract that occurs rather than after some hypothetical political or economic anomaly that may or may not ever occur. Pro whites must start with gathering and displacing others in some geographic region there is no other way to proceed with absolute certitude. If things go well someday in that migration an ability to expand may present itself but you are undoubtedly right in most of your points on selecting the NW as the starting point.

    My concern is not with your idea or its necessity but with what happens shortly after that gathering begins and who and how you restrict or encourage those who arrive in their participation with the movement. Of particular concern is your constant emphasis on “character” and the one thousand elite that you believe will facilitate political or other power with which to help the white race. It goes without saying whosoever may be tasked with directing those elite should not have to publicly detail a plan to convince others to migrate as some WN seem to require. Any such plan of action should be private and any plan formed at this time would be premature until the people and resources are gathered and the current situation at that time studied.

    Do you encourage any white family to come to the NW or only the ones that self-evaluate themselves to be of outstanding character? Even if members of a white family believe they qualify they might hesitate to move and find that you shun them because they don’t meet your mark. Has it occurred to you that those with the fortitude to engage in high risk and great sacrifice may be in prison already? For a strong passionate young man who becomes aware of the suffering of his people it must be hell not to become violent if only to defend himself against the tormentors of whites.

    Some might be in Europe or the military. Some may be teenage children of late to awaken whites who would gladly move to the NW. Most will wait for a community to move to before they act. Be careful how you use that work character.

    I have heard you explain it at least two times in your radio podcasts but I still don’t know exactly who you believe qualifies. Many of our young engage in self-destructive behavior because they have no connection to older experienced males. The white communities in the NW would offer those young idealists a place where an older male could tell it like it is and help to redirect our young as it was in previous generations. If we can’t get them back and give them the benefit of our experience we’re lost.

    I’m not as well read as many blog authors, but didn’t some of the Crusaders engage in battle to be granted forgiveness or pardon for a crime or sin? In those times I would assume that could include fornicators, thieves, murders, drunks etc. Will you require some political connection with you or your affiliates to those white migrants? Many will not be of use do to age, mental or physical condition, economic or other negatives. Encouraging all migrants to affiliate with a political idea will just assist our enemies. The white elite don’t need other whites “to hide among” they need a community to fight for; a place to go back to, a place to find a wife, a place to raise their children. The NW you propose could be that place but only if we open our arms to all racial aware pro whites.

    A possible parallel for comparison might be the migration to the American West from early settlers here in the US. Those attempting the great journey to the Western territories had businessmen to supply the wagons, horses, scouts and experienced hunters, trackers and Indian fighters that made a living getting them their safely. Many of the settlers never made the complete journey and settled on the way forming communities that facilitated those that went further and later. In those early days everyone in those small towns or settlements could be the potential difference between being wiped out versus survival for the community. In Indian attacks even the prostitutes, town drunks, etc. could fire a rifle, help to put out fires, bandage the wounded etc.

    This preoccupation with a white man defect is the most self-destructive and morose distraction possible at this stage in our survival.

    We are in this mess not because we are the only race that carries a self-destructive blind spot. We were fooled by more than one of our racial competitors joining together to destroy us and feigning a truce (the civil rights movement before affirmative action). Whatever whites lack our racial enemies have vastly more self-destructive traits or we wouldn’t wish to separate in the first place. Please put that to bed.

    I’ve read three of your novels so far and would like to point out that the plot includes areas of sympathetic Whites that assist the mischief against our enemies. Like the American West migration consider encouraging Whites to be that pocket of support for future efforts, or to be a guide or stop on the way for those who migrate in the future. There are many great roles that white families could serve short of migration to help others make that journey if they themselves can’t move. We need to encourage and give real doable suggestions on how they could assist in the future. Moves to Wyoming from articles I’ve read could help pave the way for those who cannot make the rally point.

    Another constructive criticism regards those that ask you about the weather, job market etc. endlessly to seal the deal before they will move. To your credit you try not to promise them things, you remind them that great things come from sacrifice; you remind them they may need to live a life of sacrifice for the future of the race. All good points but you and I come from a time where we could live in a white community and have a reference point. Most that ask those questions are going to be people who have never lived in that world.

    My experience may offer some unique perspective because my people came from Eastern Europe in the early 1900s late to the American experience and their ways were closer to the white way than perhaps some Americans at that point in time. They practiced frugality and practicality to a man. Everyone in my family had a garden, root cellar and food to last for weeks if not months, the ability to hunt, fish, make wine, and build a house with a few neighbors help. They chose to live close to one another in neighborhoods separated by race and language. Within a block probably you could probably find a carpenter, painter, plumber, mechanic and just about any tradesmen without going outside their own enclave. They worked for all kinds of people but charged their own less and passed down their skills to members of their own community. They “learned to fix the rich man’s toys”. A white community will not survive without a base of skilled blue collar tradesmen.

    One thing to point out that is important for our current problem was that they found ostentatious displays of wealth low class. Some were wealthy but most had saved and as they acquired that wealth they continued to live not much different than when they first came. Money was hidden away for security. A healthy distrust of Federal men was common. They were not easily tempted by fancy things just to show off to neighbors. “Bling” or dying with the most toys was not a white thing back then. A very common theme in jokes was how other races were slaves to superficial trinkets and displays of money even to the detriment of their ability to feed themselves.

    We must seek out territory that the non-whites don’t aspire to and build a great community. Recently lawsuits have been brought against white communities to remove their City charter claiming a lack of minorities demonstrates a cause of action in itself. In many burgeoning majority upper middle class areas the federal government eventually decides that a low income housing opportunity must be built in that area with white folks taxes. But this is not likely to happen in places where only whites are willing to live. Once people have the experience of living in an all-white town (racially conscious whites only) the word of mouth alone with become a magnet beyond any we could ever blog into existence.

    Tell the fence sitters that if the climate was perfect, the job market fantastic, and the people primarily white you would have to fight the non-whites off in hand to hand combat daily. Nonwhites don’t want to live next to one another they want to live in communities where whites have made life easy. It is worth it to live among your own, and it has been that way for centuries. Our grandfathers were deceived by the uniqueness of the American experience, the planned deception of our racial competitors and complicity of our churches. That deception has been exposed over the last fifty years for those who open their eyes.

    Keep up the good work and good luck.

    D. Logsdon

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 14, 2011 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

      Mr. Logsdon

      Great points.

      “Character” is what you do when no one is looking.

      Movement Past had far too many people of very poor character.

      As Mr. Covington observed, they came for what they thought WNism offered them, and not what they had to offer the Race.

      This is a principle Covington and the counter-currents people get; we do not serve the philosophies of always changing WNism.

      We CREATE the philosophies of WNism to serve the Race, and let the best vehicles for the Race’s development move forward, while helping all to Be Better, and Do Better.

  64. Posted April 13, 2011 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Okay, need to finish up RFN for the week and then I’ll really get stuck into these, but as I am reading these posts so far, basically the objections to the Northwest Imperative seem to be falling into two broad categories:

    Objection #1: NO, NO, NANETTE

    Long, abstruse arguments and massed arrays of statistics and quotes from multifarious sources claiming to prove that it cannot POSSIBLY be done, and we mustn’t even try.

    Amurrica and its mighty military are all-powerful and will crush us like bugs. The implication is that for all practical purposes ZOG is forever, ubiquitous, omniscient, and omnipotent. Any attempt at genuine revolt will be crushed by the mighty FBI, who have placed microphones in our sugar bowls and who can materialize SWAT teams in the dawn any time, anywhere to kick in doors and who are, of course, strong-jawed invincible god-men who never even so much as sweat, never mind bleed.

    They are super-competent, never make mistakes, and are exactly as they are portrayed on TV series like “24,” “Bones” and “Criminal Minds.” They are guided inerringly to our doors by high-tech satellite surveillance like we see on TV shows, satellites that can track anyone across the globe, can read a dime on the sidewalk heads or tails from space and can locate anyone, anywhere in the world. (Although I missed the explanation as to how they have thus far failed to locate Osama Bin Laden. )

    We cannot possibly hope to match the regime’s manpower, money, weaponry and high-tech gadgetry. These Northwest novels are interesting and occasionally a good read, but it’s all a fantasy and don’t let this lunatic or worse Covington lead you down the primrose path.

    No, no, there is nothing we can really DO about any of this. We must just continue to type out long posts on blogs, and build websites, and send one another e-mails chronicling the decline of Western civilization like medieval monks hiding in caves from the barbarians. One day our blog posts will be found amid the ruins on a petrified hard drive by alien archaeologists from Alpha Centauri, like the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Voice of the Great Race shall speak again from the past. (Cue Mists of Avalon-style Enya music.)

    Objection #2: YEAH, MAYBE SOMEDAY, BUT NOT HERE AND NOT NOW. NEVER NOW.

    Okay, yes, maybe the system is in fact weak, disorganized, crumbling, confused and incompetent. Granted, we are still a majority on the continent and will be for a few more years yet, and granted that White people do still control a lot of wealth and resources and yeah, it COULD happen if we could find some way to let all these people know we’re here.

    MAYBE there will be something analogous to the breakdown of the Soviet Union happening in this country. Maybe at some unspecified point in the future some kind of secession or creation of a separate ethnostate may be possible, but not in the Northwest. Maybe in New England. Or Arizona. Or Peoria, Illinois. Or someplace where we can elect a “good” governor in a polling booth and never have to pick up a gun or exert any effort or undergo any danger.

    Yeah, yeah, okay, maybe it will happen someday. Just not like this Northwest thing Covington describes. That smacks way too much of immediacy and risk, something that might conceivably suck us off the internet and into the real world and GET US IN TROUBLE before we realize it.

    This Northwest Front thing makes us nervous. It’s dangerous. It needs to be quietly poo-pooed and all our friends need to be warned to stay away from it, It’s too close, it’s here now and not in some vague time in the future. If we don’t keep Harold and his ideas at arm’s length or farther away, men in suits might end up knocking on our doors. No, I mean REALLY. YAAAAAAAAH!

    Okay, both of these are, shall we say, hyperbolic paraphrases, but there’s many a true word said in jest. I’ll be back this afternoon sometime.

    Yeah, maybe, in theory, somehow or other it will just happen somewhere and somehow the 100 million muds, or part of them, will just vanish without any kind

  65. Kampf_Sieg_Oder_Tod
    Posted April 13, 2011 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    HAC,

    There is a group of people who at one time were involved in one group or another. They truly believed in the Cause. They sacrificed time, money, and sweat for the 14 Words, organizing propaganda campaigns and recruitment drives, etc. They showed real Aryan character and leadership. Many of them grew disillusioned because of the overall drama, boozing, and bad character of Movement people they were forced to associate with. They themselves proclaimed to be National-Socialists and truly lived up to the calling. They weren’t just living a hobby, but grew tired of the inadequate “leaders” placed above them because of ass-kissing or rumor-mongering.

    Then one day, when it all became apparent that the ship was sinking, they jumped ship. That isn’t to say that they cowered, but they just knew that the “Movement” they were fighting for wasn’t the serious group of fighters and revolutionaries they thought it was.

    Today these few are still around. They still believe in the 14 Words, they still do what they can in supporting their race on an individual basis. How can the Northwest Front reach out to them and convince them that this isn’t just another PO BOX Org who is going to milk them for their monthly dues and then spit them out before imploding on itself?

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

      Great points, great question.

      The Old 14 Words supporters trusted Someone ELSE to provide leadership, to a nebulous, undefined, Goal.

      The New 14 Words supporters – the Northwest Republic – focuses on being what we want the world to become, and developing leadership qualities, in our Selves; from there, our Families, our extended Families, and our RACE.

      The Northwest Republic’s touchstone measures what you DO with the best Analytical Model available.

      We look to, and consciously Create, a future that MUST be, if our Race is to survive, flourish, and fulfill its destiny.

  66. Mr. Dithers
    Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    I believe the Northwest Imperative as proposed by Harold Covington should be given a fair hearing. A lot of people immediately conclude that such a plan is unworkable and impossible and perhaps in time that will be proven, but that’s no reason not to at least try.

    I’ve given serious thought to moving to the Northwest within the next couple of years but I don’t relish the thought of becoming a street activist and I believe this is one of the reasons Covington is struggling to get people to move to the NW. That and the fact that there may be state or federal informers (or will be) among current NW members gathering intelligence is probably weighing on people’s minds.

    It’s easy to have visions of another Ruby Ridge or Waco in the making especially if an increasing number of white nationalists begin heading to the NW. The feds have no compunction about setting up innocent people, especially race conscious whites (see Chester Doles, Edgar Steele) if they stand athwart the cultural Marxist program for white racial genocide.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

      Mr. Dithers:

      My red herring net is full!

      One, all manner of very effective “activism” methods are available; VNN/F’s “Hugh” discusses some in his “A Better World” thread. Sending money to Counter-Currents works!

      Two, it is the job of the intelligence agencies to keep track of everything.

      We qualify, so let’s give them something to be proud of, all the while acting in an “All-American, apple-pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)

      This insures the use of force against us will be illegal, immoral, unnecessary, and a waste of time.

  67. I
    Posted April 13, 2011 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    I think the following excerpt from William Pierce is highly relevant to this discussion (emphasis added):

    The specific remedies that we want to talk about in detail are the things that we actually can do — or begin doing — now. And the thing that I have spoken about over and over again is communication. Nothing else that we try to do has any chance of getting us from here to there unless we first have acquired the ability to communicate effectively with our people. He who controls the means of communication with the public controls the future.

    And as I have said at least 50 times in these broadcasts, that is why the Jews, as soon as they began arriving in he United States in the 1890s, began establishing themselves in our mass media. They didn’t buy up farmland. They didn’t try to get a monopoly in the railroad or steamship business. They didn’t try to build a strong position for themselves in the munitions industry or in kitchen appliances. Instead they began buying up our big-city newspapers. By the beginning of the last century they owned the New York Times. They acquired the Washington Post at a bankruptcy sale during the Great Depression. As soon as the motion picture business began showing its products in theatres, the Jews swarmed into Hollywood and elbowed out all of the Gentiles except Walt Disney; they had to wait until he died to take over the Walt Disney Company. In the 1920s they began taking over the radio broadcasting industry. When commercial television came on the scene at the end of the Second World War, they controlled it from the beginning.

    Note also, that Jews did not try to directly control the military, by becoming officers or whatever, or by starting their own militia and waiting for the system to collapse so they could march on Washington D.C.

    Am I the only person who thinks that maybe – just maybe – it’s a good idea to look at what the winners are doing and try to emulate them?

    It is very funny to me, that the people who advocate a direct military solution to our problems are also usually the ones most critical of efforts to promote White nationalism on the internet. “All you keyboard commandos do is post online! What good’s all that talk gonna do? What’re you gettin’ done in the real world?” How many times have you heard that shit out of one of these militia types? And yet building up our ability to communicate with the White masses is clearly the most important task, and furthermore it is the only thing that is currently working! More and more people are being brought over to our side, not by secessionists in the Pacific Northwest, but by “net Nazis” utilizing the power of the internet!

    I honestly question the motives of those who want us to think of this conflict in terms of controlling territory and military power rather than controlling institutions and media. Isn’t it obvious that the militia thinking is nothing more than escapist fantasy and wishful thinking?

    • Posted April 13, 2011 at 7:44 am | Permalink

      I:

      Of course the internet is our only weapon today. You are right that creating a meta-political infrastructure in the media is the first priority. The Jewish control of it was perhaps what shocked me the most in the prologue of MacDonald’s The Culture of Critique.

      But you are not right about the (still fictional) NVA. Once revolution starts in the future, the idea would be to adopt Islamic-like tactics on the Jewish-controlled media. Did you note that when Khomeini issued that fatwa against Rushdie all of the Western media made up one front defending Rushdie but that presently, as fatwas and jihad attacks proliferated (the assassination of van Gogh, the Danish cartoons demonstrations and very recently the murders after the Koran burning in the US) western journalists are more afraid?

      Same with NVA. Good and bad cop so to speak.

      Presently, in pre-revolutionary times, we only have the “good cop” nationalist type.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

      I wrote (2):

      I honestly question ….controlling territory and military power rather than controlling institutions and media.

      In reply:
      Thinking EXCLUSIVELY in terms of violence is the Path of Failure. Ask Robert Mathews.

      The use of force in self-defence is a limited tool.

      Two Ideas To Rule Them All:

      One, a White Homeland is POSSIBLE, starting with you, where you are.

      Two, the ideas of VNN/F’s “Hugh’s “A World View” thread, assure we are ready to take the gap in building a new nation on the ruins of the old.

      Focus Northwest.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

      I wrote (3):

      Isn’t it obvious that the militia thinking is nothing more than escapist fantasy and wishful thinking?

      In reply:
      First, you, then your Family, then your extended Family, all joined collectively as the foundation of the Racial Nation, which then forms a Racial State, and finally a Racial Country – a Homeland.

      Worked for the Jews in America, worked for the Jews in Israel, and WILL work for us in the Northwest Republic.

      VNN/F’s Hugh’s “A World View” has the philosophy and models needed to help us be better, DO Better, and build a better Nation.

      Focus Northwest.

  68. Mikey
    Posted April 13, 2011 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    There seems to be a current of opinion among WN’s here supporting the system’s propaganda that the amurrican military is omnipotent, this is unfortunate and defeatist, the amurrican military at it’s peak with a forcible draft could not even subdue Vietnam, one of the most backward countries on the planet, and more recently 10-12 thousand partisans in Iraq have tied up 100,000+ Empire troops.

    Yes, they can bomb weak countries like Libya and Serbia into semi-submission, but when it comes to boots on the ground, they can be fought to a standstill. We can not defeat them, but we do not have to, we can fight them to a draw, and eventually they will leave. There is a designated Wilderness Area in central Idaho the size of the W Virginia, what are they going to do, put a soldier behind every tree in this vast area?

    And of course there is the actual law that prohibits the use of the military against American civilians, and yes, that law can be disregarded by the system, but then they are admitting we are a force to be reckoned with:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act

    The NW Republic exists because we say it does, and we are willing to do what is required to make it so. The fact that we are not strong enough, YET, to drive the amurricans into the sea is a temporary detail, every day we become stronger, and they become weaker….

    • I
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 1:48 am | Permalink

      There seems to be a current of opinion among WN’s here supporting the system’s propaganda that the amurrican military is omnipotent, this is unfortunate and defeatist, the amurrican military at it’s peak with a forcible draft could not even subdue Vietnam, one of the most backward countries on the planet

      If you believe that we were really trying to defeat the North Vietnamese. I’m certainly no expert on military matters, but my impression is that the Vietnam War was intentionally prolonged, and that we could’ve easily crushed the North Vietnamese, but that the military was restrained from doing so.

      There is a designated Wilderness Area in central Idaho the size of the W Virginia, what are they going to do, put a soldier behind every tree in this vast area?

      What difference does it make to the USG (or anyone for that matter) if there are a few secessionists hiding in the woods of central Idaho? Why can’t they be safely ignored?

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 13, 2011 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

        In reply to I:
        All wars are prolonged by the politicians, until the accountants say “STOP!”

        We could have destroyed the North Vietnamese, but never defeated them.

        That requires the demoralization Bezmenov spoke of, that has worked so well against us.

        It can work FOR us, as the spiritual foundation of morality calls for us to make a better world for our Posterity.

        How many words would we need to articulate this positive Vision for our Posterity, and the Race?

        Fourteen, to start.

        Focus Northwest.

  69. Lew
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Ironic. I typed in my comment about new threats before I saw HACs remark about civil litigation.

  70. Lew
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Regarding potential opportunities created by a mass loss of regime legitimacy, I think it’s likely that any new opportunities will be offset by new and formidable threats.

    I’m sure the ruling class realizes there is a convergence of catastrophes looming, and I’m sure they have a plan; they’re not stupid.

    For all we know they might be looking forward to losing their legitimacy. It would certainly give them an opportunity to drop the mask of democracy and impose a “hard” totalitarian system in place of the “soft” one we live under now.

  71. Posted April 12, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Hi, guys:

    Just a quick FYI note for all of you. Some rather unpleasant people have been poking around our web site, and there may be some kind of attempt made in the near future to use the abuse of civil litigation to shut us down and confiscate the northwestfront.org domain name. (This is the enemy themselves, thank God, not one of our own sillies, for a change.) I’m just letting everybody know in the event that we suddenly disappear off the web one day.

    The Northwest Front already has one backup site in place, with a full archive of Radio Free Northwests, and we are working on a backup or mirror for the present main Party website just in case. However, you guys may want to download or copy anything you want off the northwestfront.org site in case it goes poof.

    This kind of thing comes with the territory. When one pokes at a dangerous animal with a stick, like we do, one shouldn’t be surprised when the beast snaps at you.

  72. Jeff
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Personally, I do not think we should put all of our eggs into one basket. I think that there will be white enclaves in the New England area and Canada as well. I also think that there will be white enclaves in the Rocky, Adirondacks and the Alleghany Mountains, giving us semi-safe routes north into Canada, thus splitting the country into more manageable chunks. The muds will not want to go into the mountains against a determined foe.

    • Posted April 13, 2011 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

      You may well be right as far as how it all plays out in the real world. But don’t think of it as putting all our eggs in one basket. Think of it as concentrating the small amount of manpower and resources we have. It’s a principle of guerrilla warfare: when your guerrillas are hugely outnumbered by the occupation forces, as is almost always the case, you always try to make sure that your men outnumber and outgun the enemy AT THE POINT OF CONTACT.

      You might also consider the difference between trying to wear down a pane of glass by pelting it with ten pounds of sand, as opposed to hurling the same ten-pound weight in the form of a rock at it.

  73. Wandrin
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    “The major problem I have with the whole idea is the notion that the system is going to collapse sometime soon. I just don’t think it will. What do we do if the system doesn’t collapse?”

    I think one problem is the definition of collapse. Most of the world naturally lives in what white people would call a state of collapse. It doesn’t have to mean Mad Max. I’d call the 1930s depression a collapse, Weimar Germany even more so. If America in the 1930s had the same same ethnic mix there is today what would have happened? Who knows but i assume bad.

    Personally i don’t think the physical aspect of a collapse is the important part. The important part of a collapse is the loss of faith in the existing leaders and institutions as that provides an opportunity to replace the old leadership with a new one.

    • I
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 12:59 am | Permalink

      Well, with regard to the Covington scenario, a collapse obviously means a collapse to the point where the US military cannot crush a Northwest independence movement – i.e. a pretty severe economic and institutional collapse. A collapse to the point where the government cannot infiltrate the Northwest Front, or fly over and drop a bomb on its headquarters. I just think that’s very unlikely to occur.

      If it doesn’t occur, then what I think of as the “direct military” approach is clearly not going to work, as everyone seems to acknowledge. Nobody thinks the USG can be militarily confronted while it has even a fraction of the military power that it currently has. Everyone seems to agree on that point.

      The whole idea that some collapse is definitely going to occur strikes me as little more than wishful thinking. People are hoping for a collapse, because it means that most of the hard work will be done for us. Again, what if we don’t get that lucky? I think we should spend most of our effort preparing for the case where the system stays afloat.

      • Wandrin
        Posted April 13, 2011 at 3:15 am | Permalink

        You’re in a collapse

        http://www.ai-cio.com/channel/NEWSMAKERS/PIMCO_s_Gross_Isn_t_Just_Treasury-Neutral_%E2%80%93-_He_s_Shorting_Them.html

        It’s not Mad Max.

        “I think we should spend most of our effort preparing for the case where the system stays afloat.”

        It will stay afloat. It’s not Mad Max.

        The big differences will be
        – the federal government will have much less money to spend
        – much less overseas defence spending
        – reduced welfare
        – mass unemployment

        “People are hoping for a collapse, because it means that most of the hard work will be done for us.”

        It doesn’t mean that at all. Non-white unrest in the cities could just as easily lead to a universal government crackdown that makes it harder for us to do anything but you’re in a collapse whether you believe it or not.

        “Am I the only person who thinks that maybe – just maybe – it’s a good idea to look at what the winners are doing and try to emulate them?”

        No you’re not, but different strokes for different folks.

      • Posted April 13, 2011 at 7:57 am | Permalink

        @ “A collapse to the point where the government cannot infiltrate the Northwest Front, or fly over and drop a bomb on its headquarters.”

        It looks like you have not read the novels. Of course the NVA got infiltrated by ZOG in Covington’s saga. That’s why the (fictional) NVA consists of about a couple of thousand volunteers of isolated groups of 3-8 men. Each unit does not know each other (except by means of an intermediary).

        @ “I think we should spend most of our effort preparing for the case where the system stays afloat.”

        I spent about four hours yesterday watching the YouTube videos of Peter Schiff. He is 100% sure that the dollar will collapse in the future.

        I am not an economist. But I am almost certain is that Europe will demographically collapse in the future, especially the nations that harbor millions of Muslims who crave for Sharia Law in the host nations. There’s no question about that.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 13, 2011 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

      The word “collapse” is used all too loosely; I use it as shorthand for a series of declines in income, and STate political effectiveness.

      My model assumes we will return to a 1930’s type economy, with electricity, and the Internet, with horrific increases in energy costs.

      Thus, my call for people to write letters to their grandchildren in 2050, describing the world they live in, and what you did to make it better for them, and THEIR Families.

      That is the inspirational, analytical rigor the Northwest Imperative forces upon us.

      Focus Northwest

  74. Mikey
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    We cannot mention names, OK, but a few posts ago an individual who said he read HAC’s novels talked of millions of troops that could be used against entrenched guerrilla positions, airpower, nukes, etc, that could be used against “mass concentrations of white revolutionaries”.

    Well, this individual must not have read the 4 NW novels I read, there are no entrenched positions, or “mass concentrations of white revolutionaries” that can be lasted to bits, rather there are typically 3 or 4 ordinary-looking people in a SUV preparing to shoot an enemy, or in the process of detonating a bomb under the vehicle of an important amurrican, 8 NVA Volunteers is an unusually high number to have in one place in HAC’s novels, and rightly so, (they will be ordinary-looking that is if we can get young WN’s to stop tattooing themselves up so everyone knows who they are, and get older WN’s to get rid of the beards and outlandish Boer type hats so they too blend in with the general populace)

    And the available troops are off in the Middle East protecting israel….

    • Slartibartfast
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

      Mikey: Google “Troubles” “SAS” Modern military forces do not need division strength units anymore. What? Do you think the fictional NVA is the only ones who think 3-8 man deathsquads well trained? Not. The US Government too corrupted and disorganized to have effective special forces? That’s funny. Those are the units they dote on most while the poor bloody infantry go around scrounging vehicle armor from enemy tanks.

      The IRA didn’t win, they got bought off. They did not unite Ireland, they ended up with fat expense accounts and a seat in the North Ireland government to shout and rage from. True, they didn’t lose, but are the British still in Northren Ireland? Yes.

      The NVA will NOT beat the US Military, even a weakened end-game US Military in a time of imperial collapse. Sorry, anyone who disagrees with that is delusional. Will the NVA be able to be a “Freicorps” type service once the “balloon goes up” and the US disintegrates into smaller ‘ethostates’ as a previous poster mentioned? Yes! That will be its true purpose. Stop Aztlan, Deseret and whatever other local governments get control in the midwest and west canada from encroaching on the Pacific Northwest.

      The Soviet Union and the Roman Empire were never conquered or defeated in war when it counted to defend their homeland (Afghanistan and Pictland notwithstanding). The US Empire will be of the same caliber. But its going to fall, and after that, then it will be time for local defense forces, NVAs and other such. Anyone who’s got the logistics and planning all mapped out already and ready to go at a moment’s notice will be in a great situation.

      • Posted April 12, 2011 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

        “Anyone who’s got the logistics and planning all mapped out already and ready to go at a moment’s notice will be in a great situation.”

        By George! I think he’s GOT it!

  75. Joseph Anthony
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    There are actually two viable models for an Ethno-State in North America. Mr Covington backs the Northwest model, but there is also a Heartland model. All of the states that comprise the proposed Heartland Ethno-State vote conservative, as opposed to two of the three proposed states that would make up the Northwest nation. Both Washington and Oregon vote Democratic, only Idaho votes Republican. How does one build a racially conscious, and all white, Ethno-State out of people who vote for Obama? It seems to me that conservatives would be mush easier to convert to racialism that white liberals. Thus the formation of an Ethno-State in the Heartland might prove easier than one in the Pacific Northwest.

    I have met many people who moved to the Northwest, in order to get away from non-whites, and then returned home sick of all the Asians and liberals. They then moved to one of the heartland states, on the border of Arkansas and Missouri to be exact. Whites are retreating into the interior, not to the Pacific Northwest. The coast, both East and West, are liberal and the bottom of America will soon by majority black, in the case of the South, or Mexican in the case of the Southwest. Should the heartland go independent it will be able to feed itself, and its independence might even jar some Canadian provinces loose, who would then join with the new republic. However, one disadvantage the heartland would have is that it would be landlocked, with no outlet to the sea, whereas the Pacific Northwest would not.
    Time will tell which concept will become viable for I do not see them both being successful.

    I will say, however, unlike most of my racialist friends,is that I am optimistic. We are going to win this thing! We will not be able to save America, it is terminal, but we will be able to save a portion of our people. I think far to many racialists confuse the two concepts! This is no longer Maybury’s America, it is now MTV’s America. Too many conservatives confuse image with reality and their image of America has not existed in decades!

    Why will we win? Because it has proven inevitable in History that large multicultural, or multiracial, empires break up into smaller, more racially compact units. The process is called political devolution. Just as Rome became the nations of Western Europe, and the Ottoman Empire eventually became the nations of North Africa and the Middle East, and the Soviet Union just split into some of 11 Commonwealths, so to will the United States also split up. It is inevitable. It is not a question of if, but only of when. It is the way of History and only Americans somehow think the United States will be the one nation destined to live for all eternity!

    The situation is bad, but most whites will not rally around the flag until we reach minority status. After all, Afrikaner Nationalism would have withered on the vine had not the British imprisoned their women and children into concentration camps. Persecution breeds vibrant nationalism! As bad as we think it is, most whites are not suffering. They still have good jobs and can watch the NBA and NFL on TV. They are worried about crime, but they think they can avoid the odds. The Revolution will happen only when their fear for the sake of their grandchildren is greater than their fear of the United States government or the ostracism of their neighbors. We have not reached that level yet, but we will. It is inevitable! We can depend on the agenda of liberals to get us their with their constant pushing and anti-white racism.

    Let us not be reactionary, but proactive. This is a multi-generational struggle. It took us decades to get into the mess and decades will have to occur before we can form our own Ethno-State. (Because I do believe firmly that the Ethno-State resolution is the ONLY solution!) Take heart from History, it took the Spanish 700 years to expel the Moors and regain their nation!

    In closing, you might be surprised that no less a person than Thomas Jefferson envisioned an independent nation in the Pacific Northwest, maintaining friendly relations with the U.S., because he believed if all that land from the Louisiana purchase was incorporated into the U.S. it would make us impossible to govern as it would destroy the communal spirit than any healthy nation must have to survive. (Gee, I guess that eliminates the good ole U.S of A, right?)

    • Owen
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

      Joseph Anthony’s comment is one of the most thoughtful I’ve read so far in this discussion. There is no question that America is going to break up and that the white race will need a homeland to exist. However, as Mr. Anthony has pointed out the white people have not undergone enough racial persecution to create a massive migration. Most people of our race know that there is something very wrong with America, but are still comfortable in their own lives not to do anything about it. I believe the systemic oppression of White people in America will lead to massive resistance in the form of hugh migration. It’s not merely the minority status of whites that will trigger the resistance, but the outright oppression and discrimination. The white working class will be the first to rebel because they are on the front line. I salute Mr. Covington on his tireless effort to create a Northwest homeland. It’s not that he is in the wrong place, but rather it’s the wrong time.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

      Thanks to Joseph Anthony for some excellent analysis. What I find most inspiring about this dialogue is that we are not coming from the traditional Charlie Brown perspective of WNism, which is that of the people who are silently and totally manipulated by the Invisible, All-Powerful Two Percent, but of people who can change themeselves, the substance of their lives, and focus on manifesting a new Destiny for their grandchildren, their Posterity.

      “No Victims, Just Right!”

      Joseph Anthony wrote:

      I will say, however, unlike most of my racialist friends,is that I am optimistic. We are going to win this thing! We will not be able to save America, it is terminal, but we will be able to save a portion of our people. I think far to many racialists confuse the two concepts! This is no longer Maybury’s America, it is now MTV’s America. Too many conservatives confuse image with reality and their image of America has not existed in decades!

      In reply:
      America, as we have known it, IS “terminal.”

      Too many of our Brethren watch – passively watch, and accept – what they see on television, which, I can assure you, only shows the most remote part of the Reality they face, and only rejoices at the thought of the genocide of our grandchildren.

      Joseph Anthony wrote:

      The situation is bad, but most whites will not rally around the flag until we reach minority status. After all, Afrikaner Nationalism would have withered on the vine had not the British imprisoned their women and children into concentration camps. Persecution breeds vibrant nationalism! As bad as we think it is, most whites are not suffering. They still have good jobs and can watch the NBA and NFL on TV. They are worried about crime, but they think they can avoid the odds. The Revolution will happen only when their fear for the sake of their grandchildren is greater than their fear of the United States government or the ostracism of their neighbors. We have not reached that level yet, but we will. It is inevitable! We can depend on the agenda of liberals to get us their with their constant pushing and anti-white racism.

      In reply:
      Right out of Rockwell!

      When their love of their grandchildren – their Posterity – is greater than their fear of social ostracism, and political retaliation, they will have nothing, and then, nothing to lose, and they will lose it.

      They will abandon the matters of Form that are no longer effective, and deal exclusively with the matters of Substance, which are most effective.

      I know one guy, sixty years old, trying to be an electrician’s apprentice, to build a new skill set, so he can insure his grandchildren will have it better than he did. Talk about motivation! YOU try crawling through mud in ten degree weather as you pull wires, so you can get the job done a few days early – all so YOUR grandchildren will have it better than you do!

      He’ll do it, and, for motivation, all he has to do is think of his grandchildren trapped in the Mud Hell they will be going to school in, all too soon.

      I’ve also talked with him about an idea that ties closely in with a Northwest Economic Initiative, steel-framed houses. They lend themselves to easy set-up, and superinsulation; literally, a quantum leap forward in reidential design.

      He’s going to have to pull a lot of wire to make THAT happen, but the Idea is there, and his grandchildren provide all of the motivation he wil need. He has also addressing the idea of modular housing design based on multipurpose barns, based on the steel framing used for houses, again using superinsulation techniques. Sixty and learning construction drawing!

      He is making himself over, in the fulfillment of a much higher Purpose; his grandchildren are his Living Bridge to the fulfillment of that Purpose.

      He was Inspired by two events; one, a visit to the school his grandchildren will attend, and two, after expressing horror to me about it, I gave him a copy of “A Distant Thunder.” His comments on reading it were simple:

      “Where has this son of a bitch been, and why haven’t I heard of him?”

      Joseph Anthony wrote:

      Let us not be reactionary, but proactive. This is a multi-generational struggle. It took us decades to get into the mess and decades will have to occur before we can form our own Ethno-State. (Because I do believe firmly that the Ethno-State resolution is the ONLY solution!) Take heart from History, it took the Spanish 700 years to expel the Moors and regain their nation!

      In reply:
      Remember, the (Castilian) Spanish Aristocracy is alive and well – I’ve worked with two of them – and, in terms of elite discipline and aristocratic bearing, they make most of us look horribly provincial. As one told me, on OUR Bicentennial, “We were an Empire for TWICE as long as you have been a nation. We let some our principles slip in this egalitarian nonsense you adopted from the French Revolution, and we won’t make THAT mistake again!”

      Now, THAT is the Long View, and THAT is the type of perspective we need to make the metapolitical project a reality. The question is how best to do that, and that is what counter-currents is working on.

      Good.

      Note: The Longview Conference is simply a stepping stone to the Mars Colony, and Beyond. (Sorry! Couldn’t resist the pun between HIS Long View, and OUR Longview!)

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted April 13, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

        I am going to limit you comments to 100 words from now on, since the great length of many of them is causing people to tune you out and also to experience frustration as they scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll to the next one. I value your contributions, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing. The poison is in the dose, as Paracelsus observed.

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted April 13, 2011 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

          In reply to Greg Johnson:

          To loosely quote Twain, “I sorry I didn’t write a shorter letter. I didn’t have time.”

          My verbosity has paid off, in that the Northwest Imperative is being openly, fairly, and honestly discussed in a context that supports the metapolitical project.

          Who could ask for more?

          Thank you!

    • Posted April 12, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

      “In closing, you might be surprised that no less a person than Thomas Jefferson envisioned an independent nation in the Pacific Northwest…”

      I’ll get to the bulk of your comment tomorrow, but as a historical aside, the first person to envision a Northwest Republic of sorts (with himself as president, of course) was the ebullient Aaron Burr, who got done on a treason charge along with an army general named James Wilkinson for plotting to seize the Louisiana Purchase territory and found his own nation back during Jefferson’s time.

  76. Posted April 12, 2011 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    One quick comment I want to throw in here, just to be clear. I have been accused of “telling young White people what they should do” in my Northwest novels, and by implication will get responsible for getting them in trouble and destroying their lives if they go off half-cocked. I am aware of that possibility and I will carry the weight if and when it happens. So far it hasn’t, thank God. But that is not why I wrote the books.

    In the Northwest novels, I am not telling young White people what they should do. I am SHOWING them what they should BE.

    The real point of all the novels is not the plot, the action, or even the lengthy political polemics. It’s the characters themselves.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

      In reply to Harold Covington:

      One, here are some words you will rarely hear:

      Thank you.

      Two, you wrote:

      One quick comment I want to throw in here, just to be clear. I have been accused of “telling young White people what they should do” in my Northwest novels, and by implication will get responsible for getting them in trouble and destroying their lives if they go off half-cocked. I am aware of that possibility and I will carry the weight if and when it happens. So far it hasn’t, thank God. But that is not why I wrote the books.

      In the Northwest novels, I am not telling young White people what they should do. I am SHOWING them what they should BE.

      The real point of all the novels is not the plot, the action, or even the lengthy political polemics. It’s the characters themselves.

      In reply:
      This is a critically important formulation that many critics, and even many advocates, tend to overlook.

      Every form of political system, cultural system, and economic system, are creations from the minds of Men, and each represents the best solution for balancing and resolving differences between members of their Systems.

      That having been said, my peer-group relatives have lost their jobs – forever – and my nephews are staying with me “until things even out.”

      As graduates of public high schools, they are, literally, illiterate.

      I have taught them to read – slowly – using your novels, and using this opportunity to help them understand the concepts that only you have the intellectual honesty and moral courage to discuss.

      It has been an education for all of us.

      They do not watch television, and can listen to selected stations on the radio.

      We can take all the time they need to read your Northwest series, and your book on “Dreaming the Iron Dream.” I even take them out for ice cream after that eminently worthwhile duty.

      This ties into the point you made that I bolded above, that the true foundation of the new nation consists of better people – much better people, for it is people that actually Do Something.

      It is the uniquely Aryan mindset that they are developing that they are using to make themselves better, much damn better, than they were. I hope to have them reading from counter-currents authors soon, but I know this:

      They are on a Path that the System blocks them from even being aware of, and it is the same Path their Ancestors took when they left a dying, decaying, degenerate country and moved to America with not much more than the clothes on their back.

      When they Take The Gap, they will have a lot more than that to help them move forward, and the responsibility to Do Better, a lot damn Better, than those who came before them.

      The most powerful force the Adversary has is indifference, and our fatalism, based on information that supports THEIR Cause, that THEY provided, that lead one to believe that “all is lost, and nothing can be done about it.”

      Your novels have shown them that all is NEVER lost, and they ALWAYS have choices to make, their choices to Do Something About It.

      Incidentally, as your novels themselves being about the characters themselves, well, my Posterity certainly are characters, and they REALLY identity with Shane Ryan.

      Thanks again.

      PS: If memory serves, when Savitri Devi was in the ruins of the NSDAP Cultural Moment, a Jewess looked at her and said, “Oh. A Nazi! I think you have come too late.”

      Savitri looked at her and said:

      “No. I have come too early.”

      You, and the people at counter-currents, have come just in time.

      Focus Northwest.

      • Posted April 12, 2011 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

        I got a somewhat similar heckle from a Jew recently. He said something to the effect of “fortunately for us, you are the last of your kind.”

        I e-mailed him back and said, “No, I’m the first.”

        Brave words. I hope they’re true. But that’s you guys’ department.

  77. XRGRSF
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    I’m not a writer or an academic. I have not read Covington’s books, but I have ordered them. As the old saying goes, I was a soldier once, and young. From that perspective I am commenting on the comments. Hell, I’m so old I remember when Harold was Winston Smith.

    1. Many years ago I was the air/ground controller for a major in country POW release. During this mission I had the opportunity to talk to a Sr. NVA (North Vietnamese Army) officer. He asked me how long I had been in ‘Nam, and I told him that I was into my third tour. He had been at it for 11 years. He asked if I had lost friends, and I said that I had lost several. He had lost most of his, and was afraid to make more. He said that he knew that having to go home without a victory was hard. I told him that if they had just turned us loose we could have defeated the North in 6 months to a year. His response was, “No you might have destroyed us, but you would never have defeated us.”

    2. Sometime later I was in Rhodesia as a sergeant in the Rhodesia Light Infantry. The whites could see the world coming down around their ears, there sons were dying, their entire culture was dying, and the thing they were worried most about was loosing their pensions if Britian wouldn’t pay them. When the Rhodies effectively nationalized Anglo American corporation the jews turned off the money, and it was all over. At the end, RLI, and SAS were in barracks while the black leaders partied in town. We sat their waiting on the word to go in, and take them out, but the word never came, and Rhodesia died. The same basic thing happened in South Africa.

    3. Compare 1 to 2, and tell me what will happen with whites in the USA. A white homeland will take the dedication of a real NVA regular, and whites don’t have much dedication to anything except, maybe, a sports team. I have very little doubt that if I could come back to the US in 100 years I would be able to piss on the grave of the last white man.

    4. How do you move to the Northwest? It’s really simple: You do it one step at a time.
    First, you do a pre-deployment recon. Second, you load up. Third, you go. It’s just that easy (not). I did it fifteen years ago, and it was hard, but it can be done. There is a shortage of clean cut hard working people in Idaho. Stay away from Kootenai county. Stay under the radar with your political views. Most people in Idaho have never experienced the mud races, and they don’t understand the danger. The Lewiston area is probably the best bet for work right now. Far north Idaho is a poverty pocket lined with California transplants, and south Idaho is Mormon central with lots of cheap Mexican labor. I’m lucky to have a good paying job, but it keeps me on the road. In truth, in the 15 years I have been in Idaho I have not made a penny in the state. However, I know people who are making it in Idaho, and doing well.

    Old Adolf was right, if you aren’t willing to fight you aren’t going to survive.

    1488

    End of rambling comments.

  78. J. Winthrop II
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Additional facts on the ground.

    Washington’s Senators

    Liberal Democrat Senator Patty Murray was elected in 1992. She was reelected during one of the worst years for the Democrats since 1994. Murray voted for amnesty in 2006.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patty_Murray

    In 2000 Democrat Senator Maria Cantwell was elected by a narrow margin. Cantwell also voted for amnesty in May 2006, and went on to be reelected with 56.9% of the vote. In 2010 she voted for cloture on the DREAM amnesty act.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Cantwell
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Maria_Cantwell

    Jewish numbers in proposed Northwest Republic states.

    State #Jews Total pop. %Jews
    Oregon 32000 3429000 0.9%
    Washington 43000 5908000 0.7%
    Montana 800 903000 0.1%
    Idaho 1100 1299000 0.1%
    Wyoming 400 494000 0.1%

    In the original post HAC only mentions Oregon, Washington and Idaho, but I’ve read other versions of the plan that included Montana and Wyoming.

  79. Greg Johnson
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    If those conditions prevail, we will not have a NW homeland. If other conditions prevail, we will. But we knew that already.

  80. J. Winthrop II
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    These are the facts on the ground.

    Non-Hispanic White population in proposed Northwest Republic states.

    Montana 87.8%
    Wyoming 85.9%
    Idaho 84.0%
    Oregon 78.5%
    Washington 72.5%

    The most populated state, Washington, is one of the most politically correct states. 57% of Washington Whites voted for Obama. Oregon was even worse, Obama got 59% of the White vote.

    Obama’s Share of the White vote in proposed Northwest Republic states.

    Oregon 59%
    Washington 57%
    Montana 45%
    Idaho 33%
    Wyoming 32%

    Washington and Oregon have gone for the Democrat in every presidential election since 1988. The majority of voters preferred Michael Dukakis, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Barack Obama to the Republican alternatives. With the largest populations of any NWR states they can block the formation of a White republic. Even if circumstances one day allowed the northwest to break away from the United States the extreme anti-white liberals of Washington and Oregon would politically dominate the republic, welcoming non-whites from the more conservative breakaway states.

    In short, the political culture of the Whites living in Washington and Oregon precludes the possibility of founding a White republic in that region.

    Fourmyle of Ceres asks “What is YOUR alternative, and how do you propose to make it happen?”

    The 2010 census has nothing but bad news for North American Whites.

    Non-Hispanic Whites 64%
    Hispanics 16%
    Blacks 12%
    Asians 5%
    Mixed Race/Other 2%

    We are now down to 60% of the population or less (officially non-hispanic Whites are about 64% but that includes Jews and Arabs who oppose us.) We may be checkmated in North America.

    Steve the Elder says “Tactical Regrouping is a sound military tactic when very outnumbered and yet an avenue to successfully regroup exists. At some point there will be insufficient numbers of us to regroup, and no majority white place to regroup TO.”

    Regrouping in the historic White homeland, Europe, which is still 95% White, may be our best option.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

      Obviously the NW homeland will require some shuffling of populations, something that has been happening for decades in America but almost always to the detriment of the shrinking white majority. Shuffling populations has never been more technologically feasible than today. Time to start thinking of ways to make it work in our favor.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

      Are you a Republican? Because I am not. On the race and immigration issues, Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. And on many issues important to me — environmentalism, zoning, workers’ rights, food and drug regulations, health care, abortion rights, keeping Christianity out of the public schools — the Democrats are closer to me than the Republicans.

      My father was a life-long PNW Democrat of the old-fashioned pro-union sort, but he was also race and Jew-wise, and I have no doubt that he would have voted National Socialist if given the opportunity. The point is that there are a lot of good people whose votes are being corralled and manipulated by the liberal elites and their political/media machines. Decapitate those machines and send the string pullers packing, then give people a new alternative, and a lot of those “facts on the ground” would shift their political allegiances happily, easily, and permanently.

      • J. Winthrop II
        Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

        Greg Johnson says “Are you a Republican? Because I am not. On the race and immigration issues, Republicans are just as bad as Democrats. And on many issues important to me — environmentalism, zoning, workers’ rights, food and drug regulations, health care, abortion rights, keeping Christianity out of the public schools — the Democrats are closer to me than the Republicans.”

        I’m a White Nationalist. My positions are close to the National Socialists on most of those issues.

        In my second post I pointed out that Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell voted for amnesty to emphasize that these are anti-white politicians, not just liberals or socialists, and that their extreme anti-white votes haven’t hurt them with their White supporters. Cantwell beat a Republican by nearly 17 points the year she voted for amnesty.

        Washington and Oregon are both extremely liberal and extremely politically correct. It’s the political correctness that’s the deal killer.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted April 12, 2011 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

          PC, like liberalism, is merely imposed by tiny elites with their fingers on the levers of power. Americans all over the country have to put up with politicians who are to the left of their constituencies. I am sure that is true all over the white world. But that system, too, is mortal, and we will have our day.

        • Posted April 13, 2011 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

          Okay, I’m losing track of what I’ve said in here and what I haven’t–damned senility!–but I’d like to address this frequent objection to the effect of “oh, the Northwest is full of liberals.”

          No, Portland and Seattle and Eugene are full of liberals, and to a much lesser extent Spokane and Boise. You get out in the countryside here and it’s just as much redneck-rifle-rack-in-the-pickup-truck territory as the South. I have even seen Confederate flag bumper stickers on vehicles in Shelton, Centralia, and Astoria, and to the best of my knowledge Centralia is the only town in the country remaining with a monument to a lynch mob on its main square. (1919; the American Legion strung up a Wobbly) I think some of the mountain men out here even chew Beech Nut.

          Seattle and Portland and a couple of other metropolitan areas skew the area blue, so to speak; if you look at a color electoral map of the three and a half Homeland states you will see one mass of red with about five or six large blue splotches, where unfortunately the money and the population are concentrated.

          We need to get out of the habit of avoiding difficult situations and taking the line of least resistance. If the I-5 corridor and the Puget Sound and Portland areas are really these great bastions of liberalism, then that’s where we need to start getting to work and bringing people in and making it a bit LESS liberal. Like they’re doing with the Mexicans, we need a conscious effort to change political and racial demographics here.

          • J. Winthrop II
            Posted April 15, 2011 at 7:20 am | Permalink

            Harold A. Covington says “Seattle and Portland and a couple of other metropolitan areas skew the area blue, so to speak; if you look at a color electoral map of the three and a half Homeland states you will see one mass of red with about five or six large blue splotches, where unfortunately the money and the population are concentrated.”

            If the majority of the money and the population is against you those are major obstacles. Even if the United States collapsed you’d still have to fight the most powerful, wealthiest and most influential Whites living there.

            Harold A. Covington says “We need to get out of the habit of avoiding difficult situations and taking the line of least resistance. If the I-5 corridor and the Puget Sound and Portland areas are really these great bastions of liberalism, then that’s where we need to start getting to work and bringing people in and making it a bit LESS liberal.”

            That would take hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of migrants. But why stop there, why avoid the difficult situation of retaking the entire United States? Why not start in New York? Most of the liberals are concentrated in the NYC metro area. Upstate New York is quite conservative. Jeff suggested New England, which is just as liberal as the Northwest but has far fewer non-whites.

            All the obvious objections to New York and New England apply equally to Washington state and Oregon. While I’m not optimistic about any part of the United States being saved the Confederacy is the most promising. Southern Whites are the least politically correct and millions see the South as a nation. There you have tradition on your side.

            A scifi book is no replacement for centuries of blood and soil.

  81. Steve the Elder
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Hi April,
    We usually agree on most matters. I have to disagree about one point you made.. “moving sucks”..

    It was the best move my gal and I ever made short of falling for each other. The PNW is heaven compared to where we were.. and yes we were born there and it is what truly sucks due to the filthy meztizos and blacks as well as the biggest liberal sheeple morons the world has ever seen. When we made the final crossing into Oregon in the moving van we cheered with a rebel yell

    HAC is the first to admit his vision is just that, HIS vision, HIS framework that HE believes would be best.. however, WE who survive the coming conflagration are those who will form what is to eventually be

    All the best!

  82. Jimmy Marr
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    I like the following comment by CaptainChaos so much that I am re-submitting it here:

    “Even if the NR never comes to fruition, the value of advocacy for it at present lies in its vision of a better future than can now possibly be had under the existing dispensation. It is a totem which discredits the trajectory of the extant order by contrast. If this essential perception can be sufficiently magnified, perhaps the NR idea can act as the catalyst of its own eventual realization.”

  83. Bill
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Further, there has not been any detail on “the event” which triggers the new Nation. Amurica will not let one of its organs go. Look at what it did to the South in 61-65 and did to it to present day. There are no real, I mean real signs of a fall of this Nation as there were of Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, there is still tremondous wealth and disposable income, just take a trip to Las Vegas, New York, or LA. Are we confusing social change? Lets not forget the tools that Amurica has vs the severe character flaws of WN.

    • Posted April 12, 2011 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

      @ “there is still tremondous wealth and disposable income.”

      Some economists are already talking about the demise of the dollar (see e.g., Schiff’s YouTube channel).

  84. Lew
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    @HAC/XPWA/All

    Harold Covington wrote:

    III. There is only one strategy remaining to us

    XPWA responded:

    Only one? This is an extraordinary claim. In engineering and the sciences such claims have the burden of producing extraordinary proof. Would you please produce it?

    Lew replies:

    I’d say the proof is the total absence of credible alternatives to Mr. Covington’s plan.

    Yes, there are a huge number of compelling reasons the Northwest Imperative might never get off the ground, or fail miserably.

    Mr. Covington is at least proposing a well thought out plan has a chance of success greater than zero.

    No other North American racial nationalists can say this.

    • Posted April 12, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

      @ “Yes, there are a huge number of compelling reasons the Northwest Imperative might never get off the ground, or fail miserably.”

      In the rotten America of the next decades, even a miserable “failure”—e.g., if the NVA is infiltrated and thoroughly crushed just right after revolution starts—would be a success. For the first time in history since 1861 the reality of a new secessionist movement would hit the first page of all international papers, and would be the topic of everyday conversation of most Westerners.

      That’s why I have advertized Michael O’Meara’s Toward the White Republic, e.g. as “best pamphlet for WN-ists ever” at Amazon Books. O’Meara makes the striking point that the first generation of Irish revolutionaries revolted against the British Empire knowing they would be hunted down and killed. But they did it anyway because, according to them, it was the right thing to do.

      History proved them right. The spilled blood turned out to be the seed from which a later, far more successful movement would crop up.

      • Lew
        Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

        I’m open to the possibility that HACs strategy might be the only the viable strategy whatever its weaknesses and pitfalls.

        XPWAs request for extraordinary proof was written with such confidence I can’t help but wonder what alternate strategies he has in mind.

        Getting access to nuclear weapons ain’t gonna happen.

        • Posted April 12, 2011 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

          @ “Getting access to nuclear weapons ain’t gonna happen.”

          France and England will disintegrate within a sea of Muslim breeders, as Mark Steyn has shown in his book. The Maghreb is already going Islamic. The Taliban salivates to acquire a few of Pakistan’s nukes. In a fully Iranized Maghreb, something will happen between Israel and the Muslim world.

          I have not read a page of Covington’s fifth novel but if an ethnostate is formed the Muslims will be our temporary, tactical friends (just like Hitler did with Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood) while ZOG will continue to drain USA’s resources from an already bankrupt country to postpone the inevitable, an eventual Muslim attack on tiny Israel.

          In such scenario my educated guess is that access to nuclear weapons might start becoming feasible (wouldn’t that be a little ironic: the powerful Aryans begging nukes from brown Muslims? This is how far the betrayal has gone).

  85. I
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    The major problem I have with the whole idea is the notion that the system is going to collapse sometime soon. I just don’t think it will. What do we do if the system doesn’t collapse?

    Thinking in terms of military power and territory is also problematic. These things just don’t matter that much. White people still own most of the land and have most of the important positions within the US military. So what? What difference does it make when Jews control the media, financial system, educational system, etc.? That is where the real power comes from.

    In general: control over social institutions –> control over military –> control over territory. It does not work the other way around.

    If Whites cannot retake control of the social institutions, then we cannot keep even the PNW. But if we can retake control of the institutions, then we do not need to settle for anything less than the territory of the entire United States. I really see it as being that simple.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

      In reply to I:

      GREAT observation, which calls to mind several issues it deals with.

      You wrote:

      The major problem I have with the whole idea is the notion that the system is going to collapse sometime soon. I just don’t think it will. What do we do if the system doesn’t collapse?

      In reply:
      Social orders don’t simply “collapse,” all at once.

      If you look at most collapse functions, you discover that things sort of “ratchet down,” slowly, softly, and then lurch down to a new dynamic equilibria, operating at lower level, in a smaller range, where the process continues until one day, no one really pays much attention to the legal entity called the state.

      THAT is where the nation, the organic, extended Family that is the foundation of the nation, comes to the force.

      In microcosm, look what happened to the cities of America following the de facto ethnic cleansing of White Families from them. You can’t point to any single event that can be called the collapse point. You can point to moments that crystallize a shift towards collapse – serious riots, like in ’68 – that show the fundamental legitimacy of the State is being challenged by a new nation. You then add a generation or two, and suddenly, the new Mayor of Detroit is talking very seriously about abandoning twenty-five percent (ONE DAMN QUARTER) of the city, to “Nature.”

      Yet, the City of Detroit is still offering and servicing municipal bonds, the police show up for work every day, and yet one and all know it is OVER. Incidentally, many other cities have contacted Detroit about how to implement the Controlled Collapse Function Plan.

      Still, externally, all will seem “normal” – admittedly, a new normal – on a day to day business.

      It is only when you adopt the Mile High View on things that you are shocked into how things have fallen apart.

      Look at LIFE or LOOk magazine in the Fifties; I think they’re on Google.

      SEE how beautiful Los Angeles was, SEE how the people are quietly proud and purposeful, SEE how the people dressed in nice damn clothes, and the city was neat and clean?

      Look at the same cities today.

      So, just as nobody pretends the police in many major cities do anything more than show the flag of the host nation to the new nation being formed within, so, too, will the day come that too many “promises” will not be kept, and people will quietly look for a way to vote with their heads, their hearts, and their feet.

      They will do so to vote FOR Something Better, for a welcome change.

      That’s where we come in.

      This is the word of generations, and even of centuries.

      We have no excuse not to start where we are, and do what we can, where we are.

      You wrote:

      Thinking in terms of military power and territory is also problematic. These things just don’t matter that much. White people still own most of the land and have most of the important positions within the US military. So what? What difference does it make when Jews control the media, financial system, educational system, etc.? That is where the real power comes from.

      In reply:
      One, in issues of the military, what you are looking at is long supply lines, and long-suffering taxpayers, who discover the use of expensive toys they can use once, like cruise missiles at $1.5 million each, versus a man who controls critically important tribes, and has slaved ZSU-23’s on Toyota 4×4 to make his points. With a little bit better organization that his opponents, it seems The Colonel has beat us (“NATO”) to a draw.

      Having forced a sort of legitimacy at gunpoint, we now discover we are running out of ammo, and the Sh’i (below ground political arm) are working with the Muslim Brotherhood (above ground political party) to begin to ease us of out the Af=Pak region,

      That’s an example.

      Look to Mexico for another example of how quickly State illegitimacy fosters de facto military counterforces from within. How much of Juarez does Mexico City control at night? How much now?

      Two, you made the same mistake I made when I went to school, and first became involved in municipal politics.

      You confused “ownership” with “control.”

      The Jews do control so much, but they only have the control over us we allow them to have over us.

      The softest, lightest things known, a thought, a puff of wind, a drop of water, can change all of that. Just as one drop of water can become a hurricane, and a tsunami, when no one expects it, where they least expect it.

      Suddenly, incidentally, decades of governmental corruption become apparent, as Tokyo loses a third of its electrical power from one event involving drops of water, puffs of winds, and a moment where the government displays its true nature, all too well.

      Many, many more examples are close to had. You can probably provide some of your own.

      The foundation of governance is legitimacy, whether it is through a Divine Right of Kings, of the temporal equivalent, the Will of the People.

      Let THAT slip, and people will vote, and act, with rare fervor.

      They will run for their lives, and the lives of the Families.

      That’s where we come in.

      In general: control over social institutions –> control over military –> control over territory. It does not work the other way around.

      In reply:
      Great point, which is why I refer to VNN/F’s “Hugh’s” “A World View,” which I mistakenly keep referring to as “A Better World.” Wishful thinking getting ahead of me, I suppose.

      We can develop a parallel system of social order quietly, effectively, by effectively withdrawing the consent of the governed and forming new social systems – home schooling, for example, in time developing a de facto Shadow Governance based on Race.

      You wrote:

      If Whites cannot retake control of the social institutions, then we cannot keep even the PNW. But if we can retake control of the institutions, then we do not need to settle for anything less than the territory of the entire United States. I really see it as being that simple.

      In reply:
      I have argued for the adoption of the Northwest Republic as an Analytical Model to ask, of all social questions, “How would this be dealt with in the Northwest Republic?”

      Really useful answers, costing less than current per capita expenditures, come to mid easily; see the example of clean hydropower above, for example.

      Thus, I dress better than I used to, and act AS IF I was an Ambassador (okay, an assistant cultural attache!) from a White Homeland, where most of this has been sorted out, and my Posterity are working on making themselves Better, for all of us.

      It’s a start, and, in time, might well become the spark that the tinder of the rotted dreams my Family has been sold into helping them to make their lives into the living foundation of a new nation, and one day, Take The Gap.

  86. Barney
    Posted April 12, 2011 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Being trapped in England, the true belly of the beast, and physically unfit (crippled), I have no hope of Coming Home, but I’d like to add a few thoughts of my own.

    Energy.

    First of all, by living just a little closer to nature, getting up at daybreak and going to bed at night rather than sitting watching talmudvision when we should be sleeping, I anticipate a truly White society having significantly lower energy requirements than at present.

    Secondly, in addition to solar, wind and water power, we could eliminate our dependence on oil by growing hemp, which only became a “dangerous drug” when it was perceived as a threat to Rockefeller’s oil interests. It is said that everything which is now made from oil could more easily, and in a far more environmentally-friendly manner, be made from hemp.

    Migration.

    Most of us have a special emotional attachment to the place where we grew up, since when we have created and otherwise acquired various “ties” which can be difficult to break, but for me the attraction would be to live among people of my own kind as I did during my formative years, people who respect the rights of others, who can be trusted not to rob, rape, murder and all the rest of it. Further, it would make a refreshing change not to be surrounded by sexual perverts of all kinds that have been given almost god-like status by our criminal rulers. There’s no place like “home”, but what kind of a home do most people have under ZOG?

    Our countries are being flooded with savages, many of whom I personally suspect are being armed by ZOG, especially in disarmed countries like England, where only niggers seem to have access to guns. Our incomes are eroded to the point where, even when both potential parents are in full-time employment, most White couples can’t afford to have children, while the imported jungle critters are subsidised to breed like rabbits. We have “hate crime” laws that are used only against Whites. We learn to fear government and the police even more than those murderous black and brown savages that surround us.

    This isn’t my country any more. Given the chance, I’d migrate to the NorthWest tomorrow. I’d be living among strangers with unfamiliar (American) accents, but these strangers would very quickly become friends because I’d know I was living among like-minded people. Most of all, as our White population grew, displacing the “others”, so would our mutual sense of safety.

    We know it’s going to get bloody, and a lot of us will die horribly, but that’s going to happen anyway, wherever we are. It’s better to unite and have a chance of Victory than to be isolated as most of us are at present, sitting ducks to be picked off individually whenever ZOG chooses.

    I’d rather live, and die if necessary, among my own people, people I can trust, people I can rely on, people who think like me. The White Race WILL survive because Nature’s Finest must NEVER be annihilated, but we won’t achieve anything by remaining scattered.

  87. Alaskan
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Quick question for Mr. Covington:

    What are your thoughts on including Alaska in the NW Imperative? In terms of sheer size, resources (including more clean water than anywhere else in the U.S.) and potential, it seems foolish not to consider this. Logistically, I can see some initial setbacks, but in the end it only makes sense.

    I look forward to your reply.

    • Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

      That is one of the many questions in the We’ll-Have-To-See-How-It-Plays-Out stack. One of the earlier posters pointed out a major problem: Alaska is not contiguous with the rest of the Homeland and is pretty much economically dependent on the United States and Canada. I’m not even quite sure how I’m going to handle the issue in “Freedom’s Sons” in the section I’m working on now.

  88. April Gaede
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    We who support the NW Imperative/Migration do understand that not everyone is going to want to or be able to make the move. Most people will find a reason not to move because lets be blunt, moving sucks.

    According to a PEW Institute survey from 2008 40% of people in the US live within 50 miles of where they were born. And that fit me until I reached the age of 40 and we decided to move up to Montana. My husband was living within 5 blocks of the house he grew up in. And I think that is not as uncommon as people would think. When people do move it is usually for a job or because they have family in the area where they are moving. It is rare that people are as pioneering as Mark and I were, and just sell their house and go look for a better place to live, especially when they have a good job and a nice house and family around. Rare indeed when they don’t have family or a job or any connections to the area.

    Stable, family oriented people, the same people we want to attract to NW Migration, will be the most likely ones who will find it difficult to move. That means we have to offer something that they cannot get anywhere else. It also means though that will will have plenty of WN singles which in itself will end up being a selling point to many.

    White Nationalist organizations exist for the main reason that the members want to associate with other people who think the same as they do. Same reason church people group together. These WNs get to get together monthly or even once or twice a year at some event to hang out with comrades and feel they are around others who really understand them. They meet, greet and listen to speakers and then go back to their homes until the next event. Those who are lucky enough to have an active local group have the advantage of getting together more often but since the events are usually open to anyone in the group, if you really dont like someone, you might be stuck having to deal with them just to be able to attend the event.

    The difference with the NW migration to specific areas is that you will be able to contact people already in the area who will help to guide you and assist you. It is like moving to a town and having an Uncle Harold or an Aunt April who lives there already and who can help advise you where to shop, what schools are best, place to get your car fixed etc. Also they can be a moral support system, and help to introduce you to others in the area from whom you may be able to find good friends.

    White flight happens and there are many White people, those who identify as racial and those who still might not, who are choosing to move away from multicultural areas every day. These are the people whom we hope to attract to the NW migration. I am not going to try to pry some old southern farmer out of his ranch and expect him to uproot and move to Montana or Idaho. But the reality is that many of our people are very unhappy with where they live and they are just looking for a place to go and a way to be around not only White people, but also politically active racially conscious people. The organizations aren’t enough anymore, they want a racial community.

    Moving to a specific area in the NW near other migrants helps fill many of the natural and social requirements that a family or an individual will have in order to make a drastic move to a new area. And being in an area that has an active WN base will also create many more opportunities to socialize with other WNs and attend events, like for instance a David Irving books signing, that before you might have had to travel hundreds of miles to attend.

    One of the biggest problems that seems to create all this debate is that people are putting the cart before the horse because of the NW novels. They see them as a specific blueprint for action when they are only the ideas of a creative and fantastic writer, Harold Covington. It is a bit like debating how we are going to control the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park before we are able to create them. We are in the very early stages of creating something and to me debating the ideas of how the new NW government would be run is really getting ahead of yourselves.

    Besides I am going to be the queen and you will all have to do what I say.

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

      @ “Besides I am going to be the queen and you will all have to do what I say.”

      On the contrary: in the novels the “Old Man” (presumably Covington) was no general whatsoever. And in his non-fiction there are no generals either. The whole NVA is supposed to be composed strictly of volunteers, not of regular soldiers. Even lone wolf revolutionaries with zero contact with the Old Man or the core of the party could be part part of the NVA.

      • Steve the Elder
        Posted April 12, 2011 at 11:52 am | Permalink

        Lighten up man, April is joking

    • Gregor
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

      I realize April is sorta “jesting” about her being the Queen, but I’m not jesting when I say that having a King/Queen may be much better than anything “democratic”.

      The “God that Failed”, called “democracy”, is part of what has led Whites into the position they are now in. Most of us have accepted the brainwashing about “democracy” from an early age, and also accepted that having a Queen is bad for us, since it’s not “democratic”.

      Perhaps, as our nodal network develops, having a single person, a Queen if you will, as a focal point for our identity in space-time is not such a bad idea. Of course, we’d need a guillotine handy if April ever got out of line.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted April 12, 2011 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

        Gregor makes a fascinating observation, when he said:

        I realize April is sorta “jesting” about her being the Queen, but I’m not jesting when I say that having a King/Queen may be much better than anything “democratic”.

        The “God that Failed”, called “democracy”, is part of what has led Whites into the position they are now in. Most of us have accepted the brainwashing about “democracy” from an early age, and also accepted that having a Queen is bad for us, since it’s not “democratic”.

        In reply:
        Democracy, in practice, above the small size of the lwdership of, say, ancient Athens, simply has been a mask for Oligarchies, in all but name.

        Only centuries of relentless salesmanhip and advertising have made The Brand Called Democracy achieve any value whatsoever.

        Sometimes back, the UN got more than a hundred of the top political theorists togethe to have them define “democracy.” They could not agree on a definition, when, by everyone’s accepted definition, Georgia (as in ‘S.S.R. of”) qualified as a democracy, as did the government of North Korea.

        What does seem to work, over time, is a limited Constitiutional Monarchy. Look to the Scandinaivian countries, and note that their leadership is groomed to rule by meritocratic example from birth. It is also the model we are going to use to deal with the Arab street in Morocco.

        Pournelle, who is very well read in political issues, noted that some form of Constitutional Monarchy seems to be the most effective system; it’s featured in the effective governance of his future fiction.

        “Democracy,” as w use the term now, is designed to make people feel really good, and that they matter. The first is useful to the Owners, and the second is important to the people. That term acts like an intellectual circuit breaker, stopping further thought into the fundanemtnal issues of governance, and responsibility.

        Given governmental transparency, we can trust most of the people to do the right thing, most of the time. Our First Founders were opposed to political parties, seeing them (as I see it) as means that support soft totalitarianism, and control the government, rather than reflect the “will of the people.”

        You wrote:

        Perhaps, as our nodal network develops, having a single person, a Queen if you will, as a focal point for our identity in space-time is not such a bad idea. Of course, we’d need a guillotine handy if April ever got out of line.

        In reply:
        Actually, the worst we can say about April is that she leads by excellent example, and, silently, must have paid a very high price in doing so.

        THAT is the hallmark of the natural Aristocracy.

        Next time: Ludovici For Dummies!

        • Steve the Elder
          Posted April 13, 2011 at 11:21 am | Permalink

          A good king is a blessing. A bad king a curse

          Democracy is the very worst form of government

          That leaves us as mere mortals with a true Republic of some sort as our only temporal solution. It worked for a time for both Rome and the USA. It could have some democratic aspects.. HAC has covered this with his concept for a tiered citizenship based on merit. The worthless and non productive will have little to no say while the accomplished and dedicated who are willing to risk and strive for the betterment of our people will have much greater say in matters of state and societal direction

          This along with basic rights, moral and legal parameters which we should all be able to agree on would be the foundation of a new order. Nothing is guaranteed in this attempt. What have you now that compares to this grand endeavor? Pecking at keyboards, whining to your buddies on beer and poker night about the non whites next door or at school? All the while the clock ticks nearer midnight and the obliteration of our race. No more lovely white ladies, cute white children, culture, music, scientific accomplishments, only a nightmare planet full of mud people, spinning off into eternal darkness

          Maybe Edvard Munch was thinking of this eventuality when he painted The Scream. Only you and I stand between that nightmare and a new, glorious white order

      • Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

        The draft Constitution of the NAR provides for democracy insofar as there will be a legislature with the genuine traditional power of the purse, but the franchise will be exercised not by every Tom, Dick, and Harry with two arms, two legs, and a noggin, but by CITIZENS who have EARNED a graduated franchise through national service in various forms–beginning with third class citizenship (one vote) awarded on completion of national service in the military. The graduated franchise will insure that those who have contributed the most and have the largest stake in society are rewarded with the greatest say in how it is run.

        There are other provisions to preclude excessive democracy and corruption of the kind that exists in the United States, such as the absence of a judicial branch of government, a unicameral legislature, and the requirement that the State President be a military veteran.

  89. Bill
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Covington, I am in the process of moving to the PNW, your concept needs to address some significant issues:

    1) The PNW is majority White, what in roads have you made with the existing majority Whites?
    2) What about the significant Injun, Asian, Fag, and other degenerate populace?
    3) Why not Alaska? It has all the strategic concepts, an existing independence movement, would be harder to invade by Amurrica, has resources to be self sufficient and resources that would enable foreign recognition, ie something to trade and crate immediate wealth for a new Nation, so why not Alaska?
    4) The Novels and Constitution is not a adequate blue print and is unrealistic for running a Nation, you say you ant to avoid Mad Max, but that seems to be the result given your lack of structure and the character of today’s Whites who are still rather Jeffersonian Libertarians rather than National Socialists, they always scream for their 1st, 2nd and other Amendment Rights, how will you De-Americanize “Our” people?

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

      In reply to Bill:

      So many red herrings, and me with only one net!

      You wrote:

      Mr. Covington, I am in the process of moving to the PNW, your concept needs to address some significant issues:

      1) The PNW is majority White, what in roads have you made with the existing majority Whites?

      In reply:
      The most segregated place in America is church on Sunday.

      Everyone there is WN in all but name, except, usually, for the preacher.

      Given a choice between Family, and False Faith, everyone that matters will choose Family.

      Race, for our purposes, is simply a tremendous extended Family.

      You wrote:

      2) What about the significant Injun, Asian, Fag, and other degenerate populace?

      In reply:
      “Winter Is Coming,” and most of them will self-select out.

      The rest will not matter.

      You wrote:

      3) Why not Alaska? It has all the strategic concepts, an existing independence movement, would be harder to invade by Amurrica, has resources to be self sufficient and resources that would enable foreign recognition, ie something to trade and crate immediate wealth for a new Nation, so why not Alaska?

      In reply:
      Alaska’s economy exists at the sufferance of America and Canada, either of which can neutralize it at will.

      As well, once the Slope turns EROEI negative (as the two major fields in Mexico are), Alaska will remain so demographically dispersed as to be a separate nation in all but name.

      They, of course, are more than welcome to join in!

      You wrote:

      4) The Novels and Constitution is not a adequate blue print and is unrealistic for running a Nation, you say you ant to avoid Mad Max, but that seems to be the result given your lack of structure and the character of today’s Whites who are still rather Jeffersonian Libertarians rather than National Socialists, they always scream for their 1st, 2nd and other Amendment Rights, how will you De-Americanize “Our” people?

      In reply:
      I can’t speak for Mr. Covington in this.

      I think what America has become will make people all too willing to choose the best for their Family, and that would be a nation that, frankly, represents the best the West has to offer.

      To the extent that the American managers place artificial prosperity over the greater reality of Race as the fundamental organizing principle of the nation-state, the inevitable failure of this to provide substantive values for the Families will lead to people making the natural, organic choice – for Faith, and Family.

  90. FWM
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    For those that wish to review past Radio Free Northwest episodes or get some background on this topic, here is a list/link of each episode with the topics covered. Sept 23 is a FAQ episode and a great starting point if you are new to this topic. I imagine many arguments that readers wish to pose have been addressed at some point i.e. enclaves, formal membership organizations, mainstreaming, etc.

    April 7: The Kingfish Huey Long of Louisiana, the coming Great Debate on Northwest
    Migration, health and nutrition with Gretchen the Librarian.
    March 31: Eulogy for British Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley; practical issues about
    Northwest Migration, including the Northwest climate, employment prospects, and housing.
    March 24: The American attack on Libya; a belated birthday greeting to Commander
    Rockwell; religion and Demon Weed in the upcoming fifth Northwest independence novel.
    March 17: The arrest of Kevin William Harpham in Spokane’s bizarre Bionic Backpack
    incident, why America will lose, and a homily on why Francis Fukuyama is full of
    horse hockey.
    March 10: Latest developments in the Edgar Steele trial, the creation of an interest-free
    banking system in the Northwest American Republic, and a bit of “The Plan” revealed.

    March 3: The American Dream versus the Iron Dream; events in Wisconsin; the kind
    of men and women needed to free the Homeland and create the Northwest Republic.
    Feb. 24: Movement burnout; the latest government program to disrupt the White internet
    through undercover trolls.
    Feb. 17: Responses to e-mails from Homecoming White migrants to Washington and Montana,
    a practical White Nationalist attitude toward Islam.
    Feb. 10: Edgar Steele update, leaflet distribution, and some “boring spiritual stuff.”
    [Note: In this podcast, Mr. Covington states that the German National Socialist financier
    Hjalmar Schact was executed by the Nuremberg Talmudic tribunal in 1946. This is incorrect.
    Schact died of old age in 1970. Hans Frank was the financier. Mr. Covington apologizes
    for the error.]
    Feb. 3: Revolution in Egypt, problems with trying to build Beaver Cleaverville without
    a revolution first, and how White Nationalists should deal with day-to-day life in
    a politically correct cesspool.
    Jan. 27: The Spokane “bomb” (possibly planted by the FBI itself), use of the term
    Aryan, and why secession is the only way to implement the 14 Words of David Lane.

    Jan. 20: Movement phenomenon of “running away to join the circus,” local organizing
    for the NF.
    Jan. 13: Answers to some e-mail queries, the Holocaust Hoax (again), response (from
    Jan. 9) to the Arizona Jew and Judge shootings.
    Jan. 6: The necessity of revolution as opposed to conservatism, why so many supposed
    White Nationalists have such a crappy attitude.
    Feb. 5: Northwest weather, Obama, the moral duty of White people to Come Home.
    Jan. 27: Phase One of the Butler Plan for Northwest Migration.
    Jan. 15: An introduction to Radio Free Northwest.

    Radio Free Northwest 2010

    Dec. 30: Two-hour year-end music special.
    Dec. 23: Christmas 1914 truce in the trenches of WWI, Pastor Robert Miles, message
    to an idiot on the internet explaining what it’s all about.
    Dec. 16: Edgar Steele’s famous article “It’s the Jews, Stupid,” then a general tirade
    aimed at kikes.
    Dec. 9: Advice for minors on dealing with parental objections to racial internet
    viewing, private property rights in the Northwest American Republic, White people’s
    refusal to understand.
    Dec. 2: Extended Edgar Steele update, volcanoes and science in the Northwest American
    Republic.

    Nov. 25: Corrections to last week’s show; 2008 Ron Paul presidential campaign; first
    Thanksgiving Proclamation from 1676, which like so much else, we have been lied to
    about by those who rule us.
    Nov. 18: “Negativity,” problems intellectual racists have with the NF (and vice versa),
    will there be a stock exchange in the Northwest Republic?
    Nov. 11: Recognize and deal with police, federal informers, and agent provocateurs.
    Nov. 4: The phenomenon of the Disappearing Comrade, midterm election results, and
    why we need to start taking “all this” seriously, right now.
    Oct. 28: Halloween music special. Edgar Steele, Ku Klux Klan, local NF organizing.
    Oct. 21: Eulogy for Comrade Jeff Hughes, who was murdered by the RCMP one year ago
    this week. Also: future of the White internet, local organizing for the Northwest
    Front.

    Oct. 14: Illegal activity, Republicans’ chances in the elections, how to recruit
    people.
    Oct. 7: The firing of Rick Sanchez from CNN for “anti-semitism,” a possible fifth
    Northwest novel, local organizing in the Northwest Homeland.
    Sept. 30: Furor over the Thoughtcrime blog, the Jewish origins of feminism, how the
    Northwest migration movement got started.
    Sept. 23: Two-hour FAQ special. Does the NF advocate violence or preach “hate”? Why
    not White enclaves? Why not take back America? Are today’s White youth completely
    useless? More.
    Sept. 16: Edgar Steele, response to Dutch Uncle critics, organizing in the Homeland.
    Sept. 9: Use of “N,” “K,” and “F” words, Constitutional government in the Northwest
    American Republic, why White Nationalists refuse to live in communities.

    Sept. 2: Communism and capitalism, Ezra Pound, advice to a federal agent.
    Aug. 26: Encounter with Obamacare, definition of “Class A White Nationalist,” reading
    of “Chrysalis,” written by late Order comrade Bruce Pierce.
    Aug. 19: Hal Turner, Northwest weather, NF General Headquarters.
    Aug. 12: Aryan history, the coming crash of the Obama economy and the window of opportunity
    it will provide, Leaderless Resistance.
    Aug. 5: Why tattoos are a bad idea, what might have been had we not fought two world
    wars against  Europe, how the NF can generate “buzz” on the internet.

    July 29: White boys who don’t grow up, some provisions of the Northwest Constitution,
    guiding purpose behind the Northwest independence novels.

    July 22: Edgar Steele, run-in with Mr. Rogers, self-publishing, White enclaves.
    July 15: Civil War music, Edgar Steele, November elections, Jewish names.
    July 8: Mel Gibson’s latest racial gaffe, culture in the Northwest Republic, the
    art of raising White children, more on the Northwest Volunteers.
    July 1: Edgar Steele, morality of Homecoming, Aryan origins, White immigration to
    the U.S.
    June 24: HoloHoax, advice to European Nationalists, long-range Homeland plan.

    June 17: A TV review, joining the U.S. military, the economy, seven good reasons
    why White people need to Come Home right away.

    June 10: How the Northwest Front is different, Skype, defense against accusations
    of “negativity,” what’s in store for White people here in the Northwest.
    June 3: Dealing with our friends in silk suits, Fireside Chats, the “good Jew” concept.
    May 27: Day jobs, hostile relatives, public rallies, messages from the host to our
    enemies and to our comrades.
    May 20: Freemasonry, White dating service, other Covington novels, “hate.”
    May 13: New York truck bomb incident, the economy, the role of women in the Northwest
    Republic, the Northwest Constitutional ban on abortion.

    May 6: Tea Party, advice for White Nationalists, vision for the Northwest Front.

    April 29: Who is White, characters from the Northwest novels, Ariz. immigration law.
    April 22: “Amish Solution” for Whites, how to help the NF, theory of armed struggle.
    April 15: Northwest Republic economy, psychology of the White Mind.
    April 8: Michigan militia arrests, theory of guerrilla warfare in America.
    April 1: NAR borders, NAR as a refuge for White people.

    March 25: The Goat Dance, treason, moral foundations of the NF.

    March 18: Conspiracy theories, White self reliance, the future of the NF.
    March 11: H.A. Covington reads excerpts from his article “The Awakening.”
    March 3: Basic security, health care in the NAR, Tea Party movement.
    Feb. 24: The state of White youth and White paranoia.
    Feb. 17: White enclaves, racial get-togethers, how Jews and blacks tag-team to destroy
    White people and their civilization.

    Feb. 5: Northwest weather, Obama, the moral duty of White people to Come Home.

    Jan. 27: Phase One of the Butler Plan for Northwest Migration.
    Jan. 15: An introduction to Radio Free Northwest.

    Mike
    ————————————
    The Northwest Front
    http://northwestfront.org/
    Come Home, White Man!

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

      Oh boy, That’s a lot of links and hours of listening. For those who only have time for ten minutes I would recommend this selection.

  91. Wandrin
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Debate rules, very good idea, thumbs up for that.

    1. I don’t agree with the migration idea (yet) but i do believe in “let a thousand flowers bloom” and see what works. It’s not neccessary for everyone to agree before anything can be done. It’s only neccessary for those *who do* agree to pick *their* thing and start doing it.

    2. This may be moot but in principle i don’t think a migration target should neccessarily be based on current demographics. In reality White demographics are that White people with a lot of direct experience of diversity would be a lot more use in a conflict than those without. I’d say more critical would be water, farmland, sea access, defendability, natural resources, more or less in that order. The Northwest may have this.

    3. “We as a people have wasted the past six decades on pointless, futile, and impotent right-wing and kosher conservative organizations and strategies.”

    I think the root cause of the problem is cultural manipulation and that manipulation effected the bulk of the White population to differing degrees. WNs develop strategies aimed at appealing to the minority of the population who are the least susceptible to that manipulation or who have broken out of it. Conservatives simply adapt themselves to the end result of that manipulation. A third option would be to try and beat the other side at the cultural manipulation. I don’t think that 3rd option has been fully tested yet so i’m not as pessimistic over the amount of time left, yet.

    • Gregor
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

      Yes Wandrin. It seems you are envisioning a reverse version of the Gramscian “long march through the institutions” as a strategy that can both preceed any NW migration, and be concurrent with it as well.

      The “we” that has lost ground has lost due to the success of the Gramscian Long March, which is essentially a strategy of using the convention-validated institutional “shells” as a container for a new “essence”, a trojan horse if you will. Those institutions are still present, but have been well defended against a reverse takeover because the people occupying them are well aware of that potential, and have taken measures to fortify their position with psychological conditioning which allows them to identify “outsiders” early on and eliminate them.

      The government and educational institutions are pretty much “gone” for the time being, but the key to their power is still hanging out in a manner which can be attacked. The only thing that allows them to maintain their power is their supposed “legitimacy”, and that can be attacked in a variety of ways. Now that most newspapers have online versions with commenting, almost any institution can be legitimately “de-legitimized” with careful wordings which present the reading public with a peek at their internal contradictions and their double-standards. Most White people, at a deep level, HATE double-standards, and will allow their beliefs in the legitimacy of an institution to be put in question, even if only subliminally at the start.

      I’m not against any group of Whites getting together and forming a collective, self-aware presence anywhere in space-time, but do see a need for cutting the “legitimacy legs” off of any local institution which spouts anti-White propaganda and forms the local mind into an anti-White weapon.

      This is not a chicken-egg decision to be made about which should come first. I see them as concurrent efforts. Wage the war in two dimensions: form physical nodes and network them for mutual strength and defense economically, and at the same time engage in ruthless delegitimization work that calls into question ALL the institutions that are strongholds of the enemy force.

      The NW Front affords an outlet for activists who are able and willing to relocate, and whose self-understood strengths focus on a local community. Even as this proceeds, there will be a necessary “front” where the legitimacy of the anti-White institutions can be attacked … with the goal of making them “shaky” in the minds of the public, and creating a bit more breathing room for the formation of networked physical nodes of Whites.

      • Posted April 12, 2011 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

        “The WE that has lost ground has lost due to the success of the Gramscian Long March, which is essentially a strategy of using the convention-validated institutional “shells” as a container for a new “essence”, a trojan horse if you will. Those institutions are still present, but have been well defended against a reverse takeover because the people occupying them are well aware of that potential, and have taken measures to fortify their position with psychological conditioning which allows them to identify “outsiders” early on and eliminate them.”

        This is called “entryism” by the lefties, and it has been used to great and deadly effect against us over the past 100 years by them and their Jewish allies. Trouble is, we lack the necessary 100 years to counterattack in this manner. Plus, once we do “sneak up on the Jews” and maybe get a few people elected, what to we do then in the context of what the world will be like by the time we succeed in order to GET RID of all the people who are causing the problems?

        • Gregor
          Posted April 12, 2011 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

          Mr. Covington;

          Yes, I understand the dynamic of “entryism”, and also understand that their long slow march, timewise, isn’t available to us at the stage we are in. I also understand that “they” have sentinels guarding the gates of these institutions because they know only too well that it’s possible to pursue their strategy in reverse.

          My point is, at this stage in the game, rather than trying a strategy of “entryism”, we should seek to destabilize the credibility of those “shells” they have occupied. By pointing out the internal contradictions of the decrepit system, at a specific level of a given institution, we can put its legitimacy into question in the minds of fellow Whites.

          I don’t argue this as an alternative to your NWF, but as a concurrent front both outside of the NW (or wherever White nodes form) and inside the space where those nodes form. The process of delegitimizing the occupied structures opens up clearings, both physical and psychological, for those of our people who are dissatisfied with the way things are, and “on the edge” where they can be tipped. Currently the main reason they don’t “tip” is because of the consensus that the current institutions are legitimate. Once that legitimacy is under relentless attack in all aspects of the MSM comment streams, that shakes the belief that the consensus is solid.

          We need BOTH node-formation, ala NWF, and delegitimization work. I’m not even interested in “sneaking up on the jews”, which is probably impossible anyway. I’m interested in seeing a growing number of people start undercutting the credibility and legitimacy of the “carrier waves” of the jewish modulation of reality. We may not be able to take over the media at present, but we can make their writers, editors and enablers look like the liars they are, and in public. That has been happening more and more these days, and is having an effect.

          We keep attacking legitimacy, and you keep encouraging node formation.

          • Wandrin
            Posted April 12, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

            “The only thing that allows them to maintain their power is their supposed “legitimacy”, and that can be attacked in a variety of ways.”

            Yes. We don’t have the option of a long march but the institutions they captured have both brute force power and power by assent. We can take the second away and then it’s a whole new board game.

            “This is not a chicken-egg decision to be made about which should come first. I see them as concurrent efforts.”

            Yes.

          • Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

            “My point is, at this stage in the game, rather than trying a strategy of “entryism”, we should seek to destabilize the credibility of those “shells” they have occupied. By pointing out the internal contradictions of the decrepit system, at a specific level of a given institution, we can put its legitimacy into question in the minds of fellow Whites.”

            Okay, let’s say we do that and we put the legitimacy of certain institutions or indeed the entire federal government into question. Some might say that’s already been done, but this gets into the difference between credibility and legitimacy in people’s minds, which is a lengthy hair I won’t try to split at the moment. So fine, we have large numbers of White people feeling that the federal government and many if not all of its institutions are illegitimate.

            Then what?

            What, exactly do we DO to REMOVE these illegitimate institutions? Post like hell to all kinds of blogs? Wait until the next election which will offer not one single candidate remotely serving White racial interests?

            What?

            At what point does all of this cease to become a matter of theoretical discussion and become a matter of pragmatic, real-world statecraft–revolutionary statecraft–aimed at bringing about actual, physical change in the world?

  92. ExPro White Activist
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Covington,

    First I want to address your principal points one by one. Afterward we can dive into the meat of what really constitutes “white community”, “white independence” and “white self-determination”.

    My strongest objection is you are – and very intentionally – confusing regained white self-determination and degrees of independence with the limited Northwest Republic & Migration scheme in the white public mind. Therefore to shoot down all concepts of self-determination in any form it is only necessary to target the NW Plan sitting duck.

    This TOQ article is the most recent example of what happens when the Butler Plan becomes the poster child for White Independence:

    http://www.toqonline.com/blog/secession-is-a-bad-idea/

    Mr. Baird Peterson adduced a host of cogent reasons arguing against the NW Scheme. But in his mind and his readers’ minds these objections extend to all forms of secession and enhanced independence. We are merely left with TOQ’s racially tinged Republican Conservatism.

    In these circumstances I think it is incumbent upon you to either answer Mr. Peterson’s objections or admit that the NW plan is not the only possibility.

    I. The White race in North America is in danger of literal, physical extinction.”

    Agreed. Stop. What are the causes of this? Until we conduct a detailed examination of the causes of this it is impossible to consider possible cures.

    Nevertheless, precisely how does the Butler-Matthews-Covington plan address this? Part of The NW Plan in its present form includes a subdued call for a renewed Order/IRA style insurgency campaign to establish some form of political independence.

    For three decades there has been a background thought in the non-movement. This is the idea that if The Order had had 10 times as many members and cells as it did, and had these operators used better tradecraft and fieldcraft, then they could have succeeded in sparking a revolutionary guerrilla insurgency. The seductive part is that this conclusion might well be true. But only for the circumstances of 1983. And unfortunately we don’t have a Doc Brown style DeLorean time machine we can use to alter events.

    In my professional opinion the march of time and technology has doomed such an illegal scheme to early practical defeat. But even if it could succeed the tactics you have outlined guarantee it will be a very protracted war. This is the nature of low intensity conflict. I think it’s a certainty that white birthrates in the theater of operations would further decline during this period (7 years. 10 years? 20 years?) of low intensity warfare.

    “II. We as a people … refused to recognize the urgent need for state power in order to preserve the existence of our race.

    We are discussing independent sovereignty here. Many racial subgroups have existed for centuries to millenia without having it. The Kurds, Chechens, southern European Slavs and Czechs all come to mind.

    But lets dive in. In the nuclear industrial era real independent sovereignty has two mandatory prerequisites:

    1. The secure possession of a nuclear strike force that can survive a first strike in sufficient condition to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy in a counterstrike. This means more than one warhead and even more than 20 warheads.

    2. 100% fuels and energy independence.

    How does the NW Front intend to satisfy these conditions?

    III. There is only one strategy remaining to us

    Only one? This is an extraordinary claim. In engineering and the sciences such claims have the burden of producing extraordinary proof. Would you please produce it?

    IV. Considerations of demographics, economics

    These need far more specificity. For my part I say the demographics are completely wrong. The whites in Oregon and Washington are the original Deep Blue state SWPL folks for the most part. And the “economics” are virtually non-existent.

    and a history of commitment and martyrdom in the persons of Bob Matthews, Sam and Vicky Weaver, and Richard Butler dictate that the territory for this sovereign Aryan republic must lie in the Pacific Northwest.

    This is a rhetorical appeal to emotion.

    These people may deserve the dedication of memorial roads, bridges, government buildings, parks and holidays after Victory. At the present time these names only call for brutally candid after action reviews to ensure the demonstrated mistakes are never repeated. They do not provide a single reason to copy what demonstrably can be disastrous tactics.

    V. The first step towards the establishment of the Northwest American Republic

    Our real history has been so buried by the Jew’s agit-prop that it’s apparently now forgotten that the earliest English settlements in Virginia and Massachusetts experienced high rates of starvation and death. This was entirely due to the poor preparation of the colonists to establish real self-sufficiency. The first step is for would-be independent whites to learn materially useful vocational skills as individuals.

    XPWA

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

      In reply to XPWA:

      You wrote:

      Mr. Covington,

      First I want to address your principal points one by one. Afterward we can dive into the meat of what really constitutes “white community”, “white independence” and “white self-determination”.

      My strongest objection is you are – and very intentionally – confusing regained white self-determination and degrees of independence with the limited Northwest Republic & Migration scheme in the white public mind. Therefore to shoot down all concepts of self-determination in any form it is only necessary to target the NW Plan sitting duck.

      In reply:
      There’s no “confusion” about what Mr. Covington has done.

      “White self-determination and independence” are not conflated solely with the Northwest Republic.

      Rather, the Northwest Republic is a symbolic shorthand for the best possible tool to deal with what ends “white self-determination and independence” would best, indeed necessarily, support.

      You can be as strong a supporter of “white self-determination and independence” on any street corner in South Central, or Compton, and it will bear bitter fruit.

      Why?

      Because social growth requires a social order; white social growth requires a white social order, and ONLY the Northwest Republic is formed explicitly, from its inception, to serve the best interests of the White Race, and ONLY the best interests of the White Race.

      You wrote:

      This TOQ article is the most recent example of what happens when the Butler Plan becomes the poster child for White Independence:

      http://www.toqonline.com/blog/secession-is-a-bad-idea/

      Mr. Baird Peterson adduced a host of cogent reasons arguing against the NW Scheme. But in his mind and his readers’ minds these objections extend to all forms of secession and enhanced independence. We are merely left with TOQ’s racially tinged Republican Conservatism.

      In these circumstances I think it is incumbent upon you to either answer Mr. Peterson’s objections or admit that the NW plan is not the only possibility.

      In reply:
      Under Dr. Johnson’s astute administration, we do not do board wars here.

      Baird can come over here on his own, and speak for himself.

      You wrote:

      I. The White race in North America is in danger of literal, physical extinction.”

      Agreed. Stop. What are the causes of this? Until we conduct a detailed examination of the causes of this it is impossible to consider possible cures.

      In reply:
      Asked and answered, particularly in reference to Immigration Reform Act of 1965, the open support of the Reconquista by the State, and the cultural warfare that aided and abetted the demoralization of the White Race.

      You wrote:

      Nevertheless, precisely how does the Butler-Matthews-Covington plan address this? Part of The NW Plan in its present form includes a subdued call for a renewed Order/IRA style insurgency campaign to establish some form of political independence.

      In reply:
      You just shifted topics midway through that paragraph.

      To answer the relevant question of the preceding paragraph, the Northwest Republic will not have illegal immigration, the inverted immigration act of 1965 will not have force, and the cultural war that led to the demoralization of our young, family-creating families will not have grounds to stand on, as they will be counter programmed, and parents will be able to afford to have families.

      The hidden costs that work against family formation, such as DINK’s – double income no kids – buying up the most desirable housing closest to the “good” schools – will be removed.

      You wrote:

      For three decades there has been a background thought in the non-movement. This is the idea that if The Order had 10 times as many members and cells as it did, and had these operators used better tradecraft and fieldcraft, then they could have succeeded in sparking a revolutionary guerrilla insurgency. The seductive part is that this conclusion might well be true. But only for the circumstances of 1983. And unfortunately we don’t have a Doc Brown style DeLorean time machine we can use to alter events.

      In reply:
      The only person who thought The Order might be able to spark a guerilla style insurgency was the ONLY person who thought The Order might be able to spark a guerilla style insurgency.

      Per Dr. Johnson’s ground rules, I won’t mention names.

      Per common sense, I shouldn’t have to.

      You wrote:

      In my professional opinion the march of time and technology has doomed such an illegal scheme to early practical defeat. But even if it could succeed the tactics you have outlined guarantee it will be a very protracted war. This is the nature of low intensity conflict. I think it’s a certainty that white birthrates in the theater of operations would further decline during this period (7 years. 10 years? 20 years?) of low intensity warfare.

      In reply:
      Again, as Mr. Covington has observed, the threat or use of force in his novel s, his works of fiction, are just that – fiction, and any resemblance to any living person is purely coincidental.

      Note that such use of force as is mentioned in Mr. Covington’s use of fiction is defensive in nature; never do the NW people initiate the use of force.

      Note further that low-intensity conflict is the most effective form of conflict, over time, as the Cultural War has demonstrated. Control the words, control the pictures, and you control the Mind.

      Make a safe place where none may make afraid, and women will welcome the opportunity to be mothers.

      You wrote:
      “II. We as a people … refused to recognize the urgent need for state power in order to preserve the existence of our race.

      We are discussing independent sovereignty here. Many racial subgroups have existed for centuries to millenia without having it. The Kurds, Chechens, southern European Slavs and Czechs all come to mind.

      In reply:
      “Survive,” yes, but flourish, Do Better, build Civilization, reach for the Stars?

      No.

      We can, and must, Do Better, MUCH DAMN BETTER.

      You wrote:

      But lets dive in. In the nuclear industrial era real independent sovereignty has two mandatory prerequisites:

      1. The secure possession of a nuclear strike force that can survive a first strike in sufficient condition to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy in a counterstrike. This means more than one warhead and even more than 20 warheads.

      2. 100% fuels and energy independence.

      How does the NW Front intend to satisfy these conditions?

      In reply:
      Concerning weapons, there are sources of military power, exclusive of atomic weapons, that are much more effective, and much cheaper. The most casual review of military blogs/national security blogs might be useful in putting together a working hypothesis.

      There are enough damn fools thinking in just such terms tonight, even as we speak.

      I will not discuss such matters.

      Neither should you.

      Concerning energy, in addition to geothermal and solar, the Northwest offers the most efficient energy source of all, clean hydro, and particularly, clean microhydro.

      Note that there are all manner of dams throughout the Northwest Republic, of all sizes, and very few of them are set up for hydroelectric production. Simple conversion of them, particularly those near the end of their construction life, is a matter of simple engineering. There is a LOT of cheap, clean energy to be had this way. the useful life of the new dams (and roads, by the way) would be enhanced by decades by the use of SuperCrete; concrete mixed with fly ash, a waste product of industrial incinerators. This would add about 5% to the cost of construction, and would extend the lifetime of the finished projects by decades, lowering capital costs and replacement costs dramatically.

      Triple bottom line thinking, and triple plus good!

      And, in time, Hyperion reactors could generate heat and power for small communities. Being modular, and inherently safe, they are ideal, as are Toshiba 4S reactors. Additionally, Thorium has already been demonstrated as a feasible reactor power source by Rickover more than half a century ago.

      All of this is after adopting the superinsulation standards for residential and commercial construction.

      Monolithic domes would also work very well.

      You wrote:
      III. There is only one strategy remaining to us

      Only one? This is an extraordinary claim. In engineering and the sciences such claims have the burden of producing extraordinary proof. Would you please produce it?

      In reply:
      We are still looking for anything better.

      If you find it, do let us know.

      You can start using it in South Central, and expand to Compton.

      Call us when you make it to Los Angeles, new capital of Alta California, home of the Reconquista.

      You wrote:
      IV. Considerations of demographics, economics

      These need far more specificity. For my part I say the demographics are completely wrong. The whites in Oregon and Washington are the original Deep Blue state SWPL folks for the most part. And the “economics” are virtually non-existent.

      In reply:
      I suspect that, for some people, there will never be enough “specificity.”

      Fine.

      The Deep Blue people will change fairly quickly, as the world that made Deep Blue possible implodes, causing not Deep Red, but Deep RIGHT, to come forward.

      Families change everything.

      As for economic feasibility, the “economics” are there, particularly from a resource based perspective.

      See the energy example I gave above, and note that a modern economy requires cheap energy, and a lot of it.

      The Northwest has it, and it scales very well, too!

      You wrote:
      and a history of commitment and martyrdom in the persons of Bob Matthews, Sam and Vicky Weaver, and Richard Butler dictate that the territory for this sovereign Aryan republic must lie in the Pacific Northwest.

      This is a rhetorical appeal to emotion.

      These people may deserve the dedication of memorial roads, bridges, government buildings, parks and holidays after Victory. At the present time these names only call for brutally candid after action reviews to ensure the demonstrated mistakes are never repeated. They do not provide a single reason to copy what demonstrably can be disastrous tactics.

      In reply:
      Point well taken, and they do require us to look at the first issue to be discussed in the after-action review – we will even use 5 part paragraphs if you like.

      What they all had in common is that they all took for granted the Government would play by their understanding of The Rules.

      The loss of Robert Mathews is particularly tragic, and it is our duty for it to be particularly educational.

      Again, the example of VNN/F’s “Hugh,” in the “A World View” thread, is illuminating.

      On the other hand, those who look to the South look to a past that never really was, and a track record of bitter failure, all the more so now that the boundary of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo have now been Reconquered.

      Focus Northwest – focus on a better, brighter Future!

      More on Mathews before this thread is finished.

      You wrote:
      V. The first step towards the establishment of the Northwest American Republic

      Our real history has been so buried by the Jew’s agit-prop that it’s apparently now forgotten that the earliest English settlements in Virginia and Massachusetts experienced high rates of starvation and death. This was entirely due to the poor preparation of the colonists to establish real self-sufficiency. The first step is for would-be independent whites to learn materially useful vocational skills as individuals.

      In reply:
      See the thread by VNN/F’s “Hugh,” A Better World.”

      The foundation of the Northwest Republic will be the development of a critical mass of Better People, who started where they were, and made something of themselves.

      It was only after enough of these people got together and Did Something, that the Longview Conference took place.

      The Mars Colony took a bit longer.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

      There are just under 200 sovereign nations on the planet today. How many of them satisfy XPWA’s “mandatory prerequisites” for sovereignty, namely:

      1. The secure possession of a nuclear strike force that can survive a first strike in sufficient condition to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy in a counterstrike. This means more than one warhead and even more than 20 warheads.

      2. 100% fuels and energy independence.

      By these standards, the US does not have sovereignty. Russia is probably the only nation that fits the bill. Which pretty much proves that this is an arbitrary red herring.

      • Captainchaos
        Posted April 11, 2011 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

        XPWA’s criteria for the Northwest Republic’s viability is predicated on his unstated understanding that a muscular effort to snuff it out of existence would be mounted. It is not unreasonable to expect the Republic would be attacked militarily at least as vigorously as was Serbia. Was Serbia able to withstand the might of the American military; did Serbia withstand the might of the American military? Even assuming Serbia could have potentially, she did not.

        • Posted April 11, 2011 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

          @ “Even assuming Serbia could have potentially, she did not.”

          And there’s the rub, since if the new nation is attacked its moral would be skyrocketing-high just after its creation. Unlike the Serbs: who gave up prematurely instead of awaiting for the US army to intervene though an impossible mountain terrain. I remember the military advisors in 1999; I was in England then. All of them were awaiting that Clinton’s bombing would move Slobodan Milošević to resign without any actual contact with the all-terrain Serbian forces. Slobodan resigned because the poor man obeyed his wife.

          Nothing of this sort would happen in the Northwest just after its creation.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted April 11, 2011 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

          History is filled with examples of successful secessions and colonial liberation struggles as well as unsuccessful ones.

          One can multiply analogies and disanalogies indefinitely. Let’s not forget that Serbia was the rump of an empire fighting to retain territory after multiple successful secessions. Perhaps the Russians and the Chinese will play the same role in the breakup of the American empire as the US played in the breakup of Serbia’s empire.

          Analogies like these are interesting, but they don’t really lead to any strong conclusions, especially on this level of generality, where they function more as red herrings. You need to understand the NW imperative FIRST before you can know what analogies are illuminating.

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted April 11, 2011 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

          In reply to Captain Chaos:

          You wrote:

          XPWA’s criteria for the Northwest Republic’s viability is predicated on his unstated understanding that a muscular effort to snuff it out of existence would be mounted. It is not unreasonable to expect the Republic would be attacked militarily at least as vigorously as was Serbia. Was Serbia able to withstand the might of the American military; did Serbia withstand the might of the American military? Even assuming Serbia could have potentially, she did not.

          In reply:
          Efforts to “snuff the (White RACE) out of existence” are already well underway, and have been for more than half a century.

          The analogy with Serbia is poor; Camp Bondsteel remains an expensive burden for American forces who began with an air campaign, which didn’t quite succeed in Vietnam, then, or in Libya, now, where The Colonel seems to have forced us to come to terms – on his terms.

          The least of our concerns is open military assault against what is an openly peaceful movement, along the lines suggested by VNN/F’s “Hugh.”

          The rare use of force mentioned in Mr. Covington’s novels is (1) fictional, and (2) defensive only.

          The more correct question is, what do we have to offfer that can not be found anywhere else?

          The answer is, at the end of the day, the universal organizing principle for Mankind – a safe place to raise White Children, and support White Families, where none may make afraid.

          That is a more powerful force than the military of any power.

          A better metaphor would be the Mormons under Brigham Young.

          Yes, Johnson’s Army came to conquer; however, the LDS people followed the Prophet, and, in time, Johnson’s Army left, as the Army had other things to do, elsewhere.

          The LDS people continue to manifest their instrument of expansion, and seem to have done quite well for themselves, turning a desert into Our Beloved Deseret.

          They bent like a willow in the wind; bent, but did not break. In turn, in time, they became a wall of willows, and a wall against the wind, providing safety for those they surrounded, nurtured, and protected.

          Incidentally, the FLDS Family that was such a concern for Child Protective Services recently did quite well economically, and their children were all home-schooled, and very well adjusted.

          That is an example we would do well to follow.

        • Captainchaos
          Posted April 12, 2011 at 12:37 am | Permalink

          In fairness to the scenario Covington paints in his novels as presumably what he believes to be the necessary conditions for the Northwest Republic to be achieved, the America which would be opposing the creation of the NR is not the same America we experience today, but an America more decrepit and many times more widely viewed as irredeemable and illegitimate. Before enough will dream the Iron Dream, first the American Dream must be viewed as deader than a doornail. The choice must be clear: to act with a chance for a future or to not act and have no future.

          Even if the NR never comes to fruition, the value of advocacy for it at present lies in its vision of a better future than can now possibly be had under the existing dispensation. It is a totem which discredits the trajectory of the extant order by contrast. If this essential perception can be sufficiently magnified, perhaps the NR idea can act as the catalyst of its own eventual realization.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

      Baird Peterson’s critique basically boils down to the claim that if we try for a NW homeland, we’re going to get in trouble. The Feebs won’t like it. They’ll get us. We might get hurt. Just look at what happened to the Baltic states! (No, not when they gained their independence from the Russian Empire and again from the Soviet Empire, but only when Stalin invaded them.)

      His argument smuggles in at least two premises: (1) that Covington and other advocates of the NW homeland are stupid enough to challenge the US government at full strength, and (2) that the US government is always going to be strong enough to hold this empire together. Both assumptions are false.

      The United States, like every society that has ever existed, will age, sicken, weaken, and die, and the end could come as suddenly and unfold as quickly as the USSR’s. So it behooves us to start thinking through post-collapse scenarios and building the basis of a new order today. That requires both deep thinking and real world community building, and Covington, to his credit, is doing both.

      • Stronza
        Posted April 13, 2011 at 11:13 am | Permalink

        The United States, like every society that has ever existed, will age, sicken, weaken, and die, and the end could come as suddenly and unfold as quickly as the USSR’s.

        This is absolutely true, but when it happens here it will make the events in eastern Europe look like a polite tea party. Of that I am sure. At least the Russkies and other peoples around them had a history of being able to live on cabbage and potatoes and had some capacity to pick up and carry on. Not here, matey. No coffee? No microwaveable whatever in a plastic package? No strawberries from Argentina in January? WAH! Think of it – tens of millions of prescriptions for antidepressants unfilled. What will this look like? Anybody want to follow me to Jonestown?

    • Posted April 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

      ExPro White Activist

      “We are merely left with TOQ’s racially tinged Republican Conservatism.”

      Yup. And that pretty much says it all.

      After all the thousands and thousands and thousands of words churned out against the Northwest Republic, that is pretty much all the No No Nanette No You Mustn’t position boils down to–continuation of the endless status quo of blogs and web sites and usually anonymous internet handles. Maybe occasionally a furtive little meeting in a rented motel banquet room somewhere, under a pseudonym of course, lest the local lefty scum call in a bomb threat, frighten the motel manager and make him come charging into the middle of the speeches to chase us all out into the dark parking lot. How often has that happened to you folks reading this? More than once, I’ll wager.

      So the years pass, and our heads grow grayer and our shoulders more stooped, and eventually “our kind” start to die out around 2030 or so. Some of us will probably fall in action, collapsing with a stroke or a coronary or kidney failure over our keyboards.

      That can’t be, people. That must not be. We don’t dare let that happen. We don’t have the right to do that.

      “In these circumstances I think it is incumbent upon you to either answer Mr. Peterson’s objections or admit that the NW plan is not the only possibility.”

      I’m all ears. Show me another REALISTIC possibility.

      The only one I’ve ever seen is Eric Thomson’s idea of a kind of White I.W.W., a massive syndicalist-type labor union of the majority of White workers in America that will eventually bring down the System with a general strike.

      Okay, maybe, although not one jot of effort has ever been applied to actually DOING anything with this idea.

      But suppose we could manage to paralyze the country with a general strike? What then? What, exactly do we do with the 100 million or so non-Whites, mostly young, who will inhabit the continent by then? What military force will we use to back us up, when the U.S. military will be by that time fully in enemy hands and their black, brown, and sodomitic troops will turn their guns on the strikers without a moment’s hesitation? How do we re-establish the United States in some form approximating what it was in, say 1900 or whatever we decide the idealized target era is? And some people think SECESSION is impractical?

      “I. The White race in North America is in danger of literal, physical extinction.”

      Agreed. Stop. What are the causes of this? Until we conduct a detailed examination of the causes of this it is impossible to consider possible cures.”

      We have been “examining” this issue for 80 years, and we’ve come up with some damned good theoretical ideas and some books which, in my view, verge on greatness, like IMPERIUM and WHICH WAY WESTERN MAN. The number of people who have read these works is minuscule and they have exerted no practical effect whatsoever on real-world events.

      “Nevertheless, precisely how does the Butler-Matthews-Covington plan address this? Part of The NW Plan in its present form includes a subdued call for a renewed Order/IRA style insurgency campaign to establish some form of political independence.”

      (Well, of course, I can admit to no such thing. To so so would be against the sacrosanct LAW of our lords and masters, but let us assume for the sake of argument that I am indeed the kind of wicked person who would do something like that):

      “For three decades there has been a background thought in the non-movement. This is the idea that if The Order had had 10 times as many members and cells as it did, and had these operators used better tradecraft and fieldcraft, then they could have succeeded in sparking a revolutionary guerrilla insurgency. The seductive part is that this conclusion might well be true. But only for the circumstances of 1983. And unfortunately we don’t have a Doc Brown style DeLorean time machine we can use to alter events.”

      As much as I respect and admire men like David Lane and Bruce Pierce, et. al., I do not agree with the above proposition, and I have attempted to convey this in my novels without actually criticizing them in public, which would have been tasteless and beside the point.

      In my opinion the Order made several serious strategic mistakes, the primary one being to launch a military campaign with inadequate (frankly, nonexistent) political and propaganda preparation. Mao said that the guerrilla is a fish and the people are the sea in which they must swim. All of the efforts of the Northwest Front at present, are devoted towards completely legal activism in order to create that friendly sea in which, at some future date when times change, certain predatory fish may swim.

      They also erred in immediately beginning with things like armored car robberies, etc. which allowed the enemy media to portray these men as nothing but criminal stick-up artists. To the best of my knowledge (and I may be wrong; it’s been 25 years, remember) the one truly insurgent act they committed was to whack that Jew talk show host in Denver.

      Lacking adequate propaganda and social preparation of the population, a guerrilla group can to a certain extent hope to make up for that through “propaganda of the deed,” although the Joseph Stack incident of last year shows that White Americans don’t seem to respond to that, either, possibly because for some mysterious reason all the actual IRS agents in Austin were conveniently out of the building at ten o’clock on a weekday morning and besides himself, Stack only immolated one hapless negroid janitor. (Shades of the BATF office in Oklahoma City!) But armed robberies do not constitute “propaganda of the deed,” no matter how much the cause needs money.

      “In my professional opinion the march of time and technology has doomed such an illegal scheme to early practical defeat.”

      What one man can devise, another man can circumvent. I dealt with some of this in the novels and am dealing with it further in “Freedom’s Sons.”

      ” But even if it could succeed the tactics you have outlined guarantee it will be a very protracted war. This is the nature of low intensity conflict.”

      I agree. The I.R.A. fought the British to a standstill in the Six Counties, but it took them 30 years to do it.

      “I think it’s a certainty that white birthrates in the theater of operations would further decline during this period (7 years. 10 years? 20 years?) of low intensity warfare.”

      Another argument for the establishment of a Homeland and keeping the problem to manageable proportions. As one of my characters in “The Brigade” says (paraphrasing here): “You think we can overthrow the government of the United States with 1,000 people?” and the Volunteer commander replies, “No, I’m saying that 1,000 people can start a colonial war and keep it going long enough for the accountants to surrender and force the federal government to cut their losses by detaching three states in what they consider to be a primitive backwater in any case.” Achievable goals and workable parameters, people.

      “II. We as a people … refused to recognize the urgent need for state power in order to preserve the existence of our race. We are discussing independent sovereignty here. Many racial subgroups have existed for centuries to millennia without having it. The Kurds, Chechens, southern European Slavs and Czechs all come to mind. But let’s dive in. In the nuclear industrial era real independent sovereignty has two mandatory prerequisites:

      1. The secure possession of a nuclear strike force that can survive a first strike in sufficient condition to inflict unacceptable damage on the enemy in a counterstrike. This means more than one warhead and even more than 20 warheads.

      2. 100% fuels and energy independence. How does the NW Front intend to satisfy these conditions?”

      Mmmmm…damn, I know this sounds like an evasion, but I now have about 110,000 words done on the fifth novel, describing the first 50 years of the Northwest American Republic’s existence, which is being written precisely in order to deal with these very issues which many people, such as yourself, feel to be largely omitted in the Quartet.

      In addition to which, as I sit here tap tap tapping away, something has come up that I need to deal with immediately, and that’s another sign I wish I could convey to you folks without telling too many tales out of school and letting cats out of the bag. We are starting to build an honest-to-God org up here and I am constantly interrupted in my writing and babbling by actual organizational and political work, which is a problem I don’t think anyone else in the Movement has these days, if I do say so myself.

      Anyway, I need to take a break and deal with this. Tell you what. It’s not usual for writers to pass first drafts of their work around to all and sundry, but I am doing so to make sure that if I get busted or I drop dead, the whole book isn’t sealed forever in the tomb of my hard drive. E-mail me at [email protected] and I’ll send you what I’ve got thus far on “Freedom’s Sons” in MS Word attachment, or if the file is too big for your ISP to accept I’ll upload it to Sendspace tonight.

      -HAC

  93. Jimmy Marr
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    I’m favorably biased toward a Northwest Republic because I live in Oregon, but I just spent a little time on Google Maps getting a global overview of the situation, and a question jumped out at me: Why not make the leap?

    Alaska is geographically isolated from the United States. It has a very short history of being part of the U.S. It’s very close to Russia, which seems to to be in a stronger geopolitical situation than the U.S. and is more likely to be favorably disposed to white nationalism than any nation I can think of.

    The climate and terrain are cold and rough, but that would be an evolutionary advantage for people who evolved in Northern Europe. Conversely, that’s probably why old N.Y. Jews go to Florida to die. And sure enough, if you look at a map of North America you will see that Alaska is the continental antipode of the Jew haven, but MUCH larger. In fact, it seems to be over twice as large as Oregon, Idaho, Washington and Montana combined.

    How about that?

    • Steve the Elder
      Posted April 12, 2011 at 11:19 am | Permalink

      Jimmy,
      Food production for Alaska is a huge problem. Now oil could be traded for food – but it could be blockaded. Alaska is a prize that ZOG will not easily relinquish as it has at least a 500 year supply of oil for North America, and more if you believe in abiotic oil vs the fossil fuels propaganda. Google Lindsey Williams at youtube. IMO Alaska would be a secondary target after a NWR was formed, consolidated and ZOG weakens further. I also believe that possession of British Colombia would be nearly essential in this endeavor so that an ocean blockade could not stop the flow of oil

  94. Christopher Monti
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    I would be interested in Mr. Covington’s timetable on all of this. Since, in his novels, the shooting finally started when a fictionalized U.S. government agency attempted to forcably take some white children from their parents, and Mr. Covington seems to be modeling the Northwest Imperative after the events in his books, what then are white people supposed to do after they make the move? Just sit and suffer through the same multiracial pathologies that afflict us in our real homelands (the places where we were born, where we have real roots, a lifetime that formed us, a legitimate ancestral claim. Places where our ancestors sacrificed for our posterity. Some might even call it ‘martyrdom’..), although this time far away from familiar surroundings and a without a genuine connection to the ground beneath us? [. . .] I ask this because there seems to be no real course of action beyond “relocate here”. Relocate and then what? Pass out leaflets? Hang that flag from an overpass, so some kids can spraypaint a dick on it? What and when, is going to be the “decisive” moment, where the physical presence of white migrants becomes crucial? [. . .]

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

      In reply to Christopher Monti:

      You wrote:

      I would be interested in Mr. Covington’s timetable on all of this. Since, in his novels, the shooting finally started when a fictionalized U.S. government agency attempted to forcibly take some white children from their parents, and Mr. Covington seems to be modeling the Northwest Imperative after the events in his books, what then are white people supposed to do after they make the move? Just sit and suffer through the same multiracial pathologies that afflict us in our real homelands (the places where we were born, where we have real roots, a lifetime that formed us, a legitimate ancestral claim. Places where our ancestors sacrificed for our posterity. Some might even call it ‘martyrdom’..), although this time far away from familiar surroundings and a without a genuine connection to the ground beneath us? [. . .]

      In reply:
      I see one question asked, and another implied.

      I can sum them both in one question that I think addresses your real concerns, which I think are quite valid.

      You asked the question:

      “…..what then are white people supposed to do after they make the move?”

      Great question!

      Let me ask you to do something tonight, before you go to sleep.

      Write out, like you would in a diary, what your best day ever would be like in the year 2050.

      Look out your bed room window; what do you see? Why?

      Who are you living with? What Goals do you have in common? What do you do to become a more effective member of your Family, and the Community? Where do you go to work/ What do you do? What are the power sources? What are the communications systems like? The people? How do they dress – Duluth Trading or Lands’ End? What tools do you use? Why are they better than the tools you have now?

      Write that diary entry TONIGHT, and with it, write another diary entry TONIGHT, describing your typical day will be in 2050 if you stay where you are, doing whatever it is you are doing now.

      What makes the two very different words possible?

      YOU, and people like you.

      You wrote:

      I ask this because there seems to be no real course of action beyond “relocate here”. Relocate and then what? Pass out leaflets? Hang that flag from an overpass, so some kids can spraypaint a dick on it? What and when, is going to be the “decisive” moment, where the physical presence of white migrants becomes crucial? [. . .]

      In reply:
      I’ll make you a deal.

      You write those two diary entries, and post them here. Don’t use personally identifying information!

      We’ll discuss What’s Next.

      It’s up to you.

      Incidentally, I am heartened that you do not see yourself as a Victim in all of this.

      Good.

      • Posted April 13, 2011 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

        On Chris Monti’s request for a timetable, I can give one, but not the kind some people might wish. Lacking a crystal ball, I obviously cannot say that the revolution will begin in 2017 and the Republic will be established in 2022 or anything of the kind. This is one of the reasons why I avoided specific dates in the novels.

        I can, however, give a series of benchmarks as to the “when”–not by a certain arbitrary date, but when certain events occur. One appeared briefly on the horizon last week–for a short moment it appeared as if the government would “shut down” (which is a misnomer; it would in fact have done nothing of the sort) and certain government functionaries would not have been paid, including allegedly the military.

        Last week was a dog and pony show, and meaningless, but one of the benchmarks is when a GENUINE government shutdown comes because the government just plain RUNS OUT OF MONEY, or else they fire up the Federal Reserve’s presses to the point where U.S. currency is worthless, and they can NO LONGER PAY THEIR MERCENARIES, including the military, the FBI, and the alphabet soup of secret police agencies.

        I’m glad that moment when La Cesspool Grande runs out of money did not really appear last week, because we are nowhere near ready, and we have to be when the window of opportunity appears.

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

      Chris:

      There is a plan, actually. It is detailed in our Party manual, the White Book, which needs updating along these very lines now that we are in fact starting to get a few boots on the ground up here. I intend to get to work on that and get a properly printed version done available for public distribution sometime this year, as opposed to the hand-bound and photocopied private versions we have now.

      Okay, I’m going to violate my own rule here and do a little cutting and pasting regarding the four-phase plan, just the headers and not the extensive commentary on each phase from the White Book:

      The Four Phase Plan

      The Butler Plan consists of four broad aspects or phases involving the creation, the buildup, and the operation of the Northwest Front. These phases are not nailed to any given time frame so much as they entail a specific kind of activity and an agenda of goals or benchmarks to be achieved. All four phases will be simultaneously ongoing in the various Party units around the Homeland, and at any given time the NF will be involved with issues relating to any or all of these phases. There will be a lot of overlap.

      Phase One: Relocation of the better elements of the existing racially conscious White community to the Homeland.

      Phase Two: The formation of the Northwest Front as a fighting revolutionary Party. This Party must engage in massive, serious propaganda and missionary work among native Northwesterners and organic migrants.

      Phase Three: The insertion of the Party into actual politics, and the creation of a bona fide political movement for Northwest independence.

      Phase Four: The seizure of state power through the creation of the Northwest American Republic in the power vacuum created by the collapse of the United States.

      The overall answer is that while a new migrant’s first task is to get settled in, get employed, and start sinking roots in the community–just as the first settlers of the thirteen colonies had to build their log cabins and put turkey and corn bread on the table before they thought about rebelling against King George, a process that took 168 years–no, once they’re settled in and a local support system has been built, they won’t be just sitting there twiddling their thumbs waiting for The Balloon To Go Up.

  95. nash2z
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    I fully support the establishment of the white ethnostate, and believe it does truly represent our one best chance not only for racial survival, but for racial greatness, once again.

    However, I will enter an objection. Perhaps it is too early to go Home.

    The United States has entered steepening decline. Economically, she endures the worst years since the Depression. Commodity prices have risen and are rising – with food being the final chance to gouge from the populace what profits the moneymen can before the end. White families are broken throughout the nation, and the heads of those white families – white men – having no reason to play by the rules anymore, are ‘checking out’ in larger and larger numbers…thus one sees increasing signs of everyday competence as increasingly rare. States are going bankrupt, home foreclosures still stubbornly high.

    Geopolitically, the Middle East is now on fire. Other white nations are beginning to challenge the dominance of the United States; such as Russia and Germany.

    Antisemitism is on the rise, especially in the most Jew-friendly of countries – America. And this socalled antisemitism is being ignored by the elites…or even originating from them. We now have a mulatto as President, and this event has, more than any other in the last 50 years, racialized whites and made them at least tacitly aware of their own pending dispossession.

    In short – revolution is in the air. For many of us not young, who have families not willing to leave and so to care for in these perilous times, the cost of pulling up all stakes and moving now are too great. Communities will be left behind, children (if divorced, which so many of us are) and parents abandoned. Since it is clear we are living in historic times, perhaps it is wiser to sit still for a bit longer, better preparing for the move…which I agree, must happen sooner or later.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

      In reply to nash 2z:

      Thank you for addressing an issue well worth addressing, particularly because it highlights the preeminence of the Northwest Republic as an Analytical Model, a template for transforming ourselves, our lives, and, leading by example, our Families and extended Families into the Living Foundation of a New Nation, a Northwest Republic.

      You wrote:

      In short – revolution is in the air.

      In reply:
      I am glad you make the critical distinction between “revolution” – which is evolution at a faster rate of change – and “rebellion,” which is the fools way of failing, miserably, against the most powerful military and intelligence services in the history of the world.

      The true “revolutions” are bottom-up, in pursuit of Something Better.

      Thus, most are very localized in their effect, and that works for everybody.

      Some revolutions are much greater, again, without the threat or use of force.

      Take how the Jews took over all of American cultural thinking (Frankfurt/New School), the financial system (Federal Reserve, Treasury), and political power (Democratic Party, most of the judiciary, most of the bureaucracy, most of the Republican Party), in less than a century, without firing a shot.

      This is the key to why only Covington has The Answer; his Northwest Republic provides us with a series of Analytical Models that allow us to answer the question, “What if we could do it over, and do it better? What would it look like? How would it work?”

      The depth of thinking needed to answer these questions as intelligently as the First Founders did theirs requires disciplined depth and breadth of thought and experience.

      That’s why I return to VNN/F’s “Hugh,” A World View” thread, as a reminder that the tools are available for us to start where we are to build what will become a White Racial Homeland, a Northwest Republic.

      You wrote:

      For many of us not young, who have families not willing to leave and so to care for in these perilous times, the cost of pulling up all stakes and moving now are too great. Communities will be left behind, children (if divorced, which so many of us are) and parents abandoned.

      In reply:
      I think a good source for such issue might be the examples of de facto ethnic cleansing in American cities cited by Dr. E. Michael Jones.

      You need not move NOW.

      You need to start preparing to move, when the opportunity presents itself.

      Look at the city-data website, for example, and then local newspapers, and then listen to local radio and tv stations on the net.

      Then, perhaps, start a blog – easy to do with WordPress- dealing with the civic issues where you would like to live, focusing on your area of endeavor. School? Lots of data, close to hand. Finance? The same. Become an expert on where you will move to, before you make a scouting trip, and use THAT opportunity to network with people in RealSpace. Then, become MORE of an expert, useful regionally, and have someone waiting for you to Take The Gap.

      We do not want you to leave your worthwhile relatives behind.

      We want you to do well enough that they will all but ask to join you, first for a little sightseeing vacation, and then for a few weeks over the school holidays/vacation, and finally, when there is no “Home” to go back to, to have you suggest that you just happen to have some extra space in the dormer…

      You wrote:

      Since it is clear we are living in historic times, perhaps it is wiser to sit still for a bit longer, better preparing for the move…which I agree, must happen sooner or later.

      In reply:
      A poorly planned move works to remove the validity of the Concept altogether.

      That doesn’t work for you, your Family, or the Republic.

      Start Where You ARE, and begin to prepare for what might well turn from being an option, into the only Choice.

      Start Where You Are TONIGHT, by writing a letter to your Grandchildren from the year 2050, for example, telling them of what you DID to make their lives much, much better than yours.

      After all, think of what YOUR Grandparents went through to make YOUR life much better than THEIRS.

      Family – the Living Foundation of the New Nation.

      Focus Northwest.

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

      nash2z:

      Mmmm, wouldn’t quite say that revolution is in the air, but I agree, things are more encouraging than they were a few years ago.

      But how do we get revolution out of the air and onto the ground and into the streets? I mean for real. (I know, most Americans simply can’t wrap their minds around anything like that actually HAPPENING here, since the last time it was tried was a century and a half ago.)

      There has to be a PLAN, and it has to be DO-able.

  96. Steve the Elder
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    (1) True White Nationalists are a small minority within white society. Our “own” turn on us in a heart beat when we are “exposed”. Therefore we not only face our racial enemies, but the traitors and fools within our own race . We are horribly outnumbered

    (2) Tactical Regrouping is a sound military tactic when very outnumbered and yet an avenue to successfully regroup exists. At some point there will be insufficient numbers of us to regroup, and no majority white place to regroup TO. That will be the end

    (3) Many serious WNists are already on the ground up here, even if not technically “with” the NWF. At some point they will weigh in at some level because it will be their last tango, put up or shut up

    (4) Three ocean ports and many natural resources including the possibility to later add Alaska with it’s massive hidden oil reserves, and it is not incomprehensible that BC could be taken later, depending on subsequent events

    (5) As Atzlan rises to the South of the proposed Homeland, they will be a buffer against ZOG. Even if they join in attack they are minimal enemies as far as quality, and their incompetence as allies will be an albatross to ZOG

    (6) The PNW is as well armed or better armed with small arms in civilian hands than any other part of the former USA. Many white vets see how nice it is and retire here and my experience is many of them have become defacto WNists by being forced in proximity to muds in the service. We have a mothballed fleet of Navy vessels up here as well, which vets could recommission into our service

    (7) The terrain in the West and some in the Northern and Eastern portions of the proposed Homeland are rugged and heavily covered in vegetation, which makes excellent cover, along with the misty and rainy weather in the West which plays havoc with surveillance and ZOG’s tech toys

    (8) The detractors of this plan have nothing approaching this concept as an alternative. I dare all detractors to tell us in detail what your plan for our racial survival is, and why it could succeed? If not, you are merely kibbutzing and have nothing positive to offer us for our survival

  97. Cognosco
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    The only argument I have heard against the northwest imperative is that it is merely white flight and that we should stand our ground. The only problem with this is that we AREN’T standing our ground.

    Everyone keeps waiting for it to get worse. Worse than what? Worse than something Hollywood can make up? As Detroit and D.C. are turned to ruins. As California, Arizona, Texas and others are being overrun we continue to talk into deaf ears and cast votes in one of the worlds largest game of charades. There are no great collisions. No grand battles in the streets. No men shouting into windows “the webacks are coming!”

    We say we’re waiting for it to get worse, we’re waiting for someone else to go first. Well people have been going first for decades; people like Robert Matthews and so many others. Only, you didn’t follow. Now we have people willing to go first again, but we can’t do it alone. You follow?

    If you think we should secure the country, GREAT! Why not start here?

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

      In reply to Cognosco:

      You wrote:

      The only argument I have heard against the northwest imperative is that it is merely white flight and that we should stand our ground. The only problem with this is that we AREN’T standing our ground.

      In reply:
      The ground was moved from us when the 101st Airborne went into Little Rock to racially integrate the schools at bayonet point, and only empty, pro forma “opposition” took place against an opposition that plans in terms of decades, and centuries.

      With the demoralization process described by Bezmenov well underway, de facto conquest by force of arms was easy, and it forced the Consensus Trance to shift into Self-Proclaimed Greatest Generation mode, where the obedience of a whipped dog was praised as a model for Masculine functioning.

      We lost ground on all possible fronts, to an Enemy that plans Deep war, designed and funded to last centuries.

      We adopted the role of Good Ol’ Charlie Brown trying to kick the football as younger men, and we laugh at how we have accepted the role of Homer Simpson, thirty years later.

      You wrote:

      Everyone keeps waiting for it to get worse. Worse than what? Worse than something Hollywood can make up? As Detroit and D.C. are turned to ruins. As California, Arizona, Texas and others are being overrun we continue to talk into deaf ears and cast votes in one of the worlds largest game of charades. There are no great collisions. No grand battles in the streets. No men shouting into windows “the wetbacks are coming!”

      In reply:
      I think those on the HBD front have seen how people respond to the cries of “the wetbacks are coming.”

      Again, we are battling the Consensus Trance, placed in us by about fifty years of the best conditioning system the worlds has ever seen, color television, and control by the Adversary of the pictures we see, and the words we read and hear.

      It takes a real Red Pill Moment to shock you out of the conditioning, and, even then, you are conditioned into a state of learned helplessness, aren’t you, Charlie Brown? STILL trying to kick that football?

      We have to be ready with Something Better to replace the Consensus Trance when the Red Pill Moment takes place.

      Covington has done more than anyone since Rockwell to make sure we have our own Something Better, and not the conveniently available “Something Better” manufactured for us by our Racial Enemies.

      You wrote:

      We say we’re waiting for it to get worse, we’re waiting for someone else to go first. Well people have been going first for decades; people like Robert Matthews and so many others. Only, you didn’t follow. Now we have people willing to go first again, but we can’t do it alone. You follow?

      In reply:
      Mathews is a perfect example, for several reasons, and I will deal with late later on in this thread.

      The particular relevance of Robert Mathews in this response to your post is that he did not have an overarching Theme, a Plan for what to do that encompassed anything more than what he did.

      He literally walked into traps – several of them – that were set for him, because, in part, he did not have an overarching Theme to test his actions against.

      If you robbed from fifty armored cars, to what end would the money be used, before someone at a federal agency looked at someone and said, “Make It Stop.”

      The irony?

      Mathews SAW the Northwest Model, in microcosm, before he was suggested into using force against a government that has claimed, and will enforce, a de facto monopoly on the use or threat of force.

      Mathews could have done FAR MORE if he had worked with Lane to develop ethnocentric communities, linked into sustainable ethnocentric economies.

      THAT would have been the foundation of what in time could have become the Northwest Republic.

      And, if people saw it was possible, THERE is the Red Pill for the so-called Wallace Democrats/Reagan Democrats.

      Mathews was a Natural Leader, and he would have been perfect as a Senator from, say, Idaho, working for the day he could represent the Northwest Republic to the American Republic.

      LEARN from this.

      You wrote:

      If you think we should secure the country, GREAT! Why not start here?

      In reply:
      It’s too soon to paraphrase Metzger’s “What have you done for your Race today?”

      You COULD write the diary entries I discussed above, and Start Where You Are.

      It’s a very good place to start.

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

      Cognosco:

      I get that a lot. “Ah ain’t movin’ nowhar, Hurrold! Ah’m gonna STAND AND FIGHT!”

      Okay, when and where does all this “standing and fighting” begin?

      My own personal opinion is that the proper time and place to truly stand and fight was Little Rock in 1958, when Eisenhower ordered the troops in to enforce integration at the point of a bayonet. In those days White Southerners still had a natural leadership class, governors and police chiefs and attorneys and clergy and professional men, men of substance in every sense of the term, the same class that took the lead in 1861.

      That was the time for the guns to come out of the closet and the Confederate States of America to be re-established. Instead the mobs of young Whites threw a few rocks, and then they went off to the NASCAR track and the burger drive-in and the sock hop to gyrate to Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis. Why bother to fight for freedom when there was a good time to be had? The old American story.

  98. Lew
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    This comment/ question is for Mr. Covington.

    I am familiar with some of your arguments for establishing a White Republic/ethnostate in the Pacific northwest and for limiting that Republic to Washington, Oregon and Idaho. You have argued that the northwest has favorable demographics, natural resources, a deep water harbor and is far removed from the regime’s east coast power centers. You have argued that the distance from Washington DC to the northwest makes it likely the regime would surrender the northwest under the right conditions. You have also argued that limiting the Republic to just three states would make the problems associated with establishing a Republic more manageable.

    All that said, there are still well over a hundred million White people in this country.

    So why write off the other 47 states?

    I agree with you it’s far too late to reclaim the whole country, but writing off 47 states worth of territory seems excessive.

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

      Lew:

      The question of why it is impossible to take back all of America from sea to shining sea is one I have dealt with repeatedly, but I don’t want to fall back on canned answers or referring people to web sites, so let’s just look at one angle: the urgent and increasingly painful necessity we face of doing a lot with a little. Very little.

      It is a matter of what we can realistically do with what we have to work with. Bear in mind, I am talking about actually DOING something about the crisis we face, and it’s been so long since that has been attempted that a lot of our people can’t really wrap their minds around the concept, because they are so used to decades of mediocrity, failure, and the constant generation of nothing but endless WORDS. Put simply, the problem has to be reduced to MANAGEABLE PROPORTIONS, geographically, demographically, and politically.

      Let’s face it: White Nationalists of all stripes are very thin on the ground, even on the internet. I have said that I believe our internet community numbers something on the order of 100,000 people, but that springs from a very broad and optimistic definition of what constitutes White Nationalism and includes everybody from Skinheads to Christian Identity to sovereign citizen types and militia, all the way to the more aware Tea Party and John Birch types. (Yes, the JBS is still around.)

      As far as hard-core racialists go, the number is of course significantly less. If I had to hazard an educated guess, I’d say about 25,000 “hard core” people on the internet and an unknown number, millions, who agree with us but who will simply never get the chance to hear our message because barring some seismic event that catapults us onto every cable network, they will never know we are here.

      Now, realistically, how many of those among our present audience will actually DO anything, even a perfectly legal act like moving to the Pacific Northwest?

      I state on Radio Free Northwest that we are looking for a cadre of 1,000 people to come here. I didn’t just pull that figure out of the air. I honestly think that number is all we can pragmatically hope for from the people our message is currently reaching.

      They will have to be the tinder that lights the fire here in the Homeland, the water that primes the pump, and we can’t spread them too thin on the ground. They have to be organized in cells or units or activity groups or whatever you want to call them, of between four and six serious adult revolutionaries each,so as to provide the essential support system they will need when they become active and the heat ratchets up.

      That first thousand bodies are proving murderously hard to find, and we are running out of time. It is essential that this cadre be concentrated in a workable area before serious on-the-ground political activism of any kind and directed toward any end can begin.

      Everywhere within the current projected Homeland area is within a day’s drive of everywhere else, and that is really the maximum spread I believe to be practical. We have all (or most of us) known what it is to try and hold events where a tiny number of people drive for days from all over east or west of the Mississippi to attend. Nowhere outside a few major cities, and now our two Primary Settlement Areas here, is there a concentration of even as many as a dozen adult, mature, dedicated, intelligent, and compos mentis White Nationalists. Those we have must be used to the best effect.

      For all I know, when The Balloon Goes Up we may in fact be able to glom onto more territory. Hope so. But the initial area of operation has to be of workable size and our targeted White community sufficiently small so that the paltry number of active people we will be able to muster will have an effect. 1,000 people, even good ones, are nothing in a 50-state area of 300 million people. In a three-and-a-half state area with only 14 million (give or take), they can make a difference.

  99. Posted April 11, 2011 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    While the Northwest Imperative may be a worthy goal, so should a New England Imperative consisting of Vermont, New Hampshire, Northwestern Massachusetts and Maine be considered.

    The population of these areas is 96% European. There is a fine road network, rail, industry, FARMLAND, industry (Sig, Ruger, etc), a functioning NAVAL BASE and many self sufficient people. If we were able to get the Federal Leviathan off our back we could make quite a go of it.

    A Northeast Imperative might make sense for people with ties in the area who would find a move to the Pacific Northwest untenable for family or employment reasons. We are not competing with the Northwest Front, but complimenting it.

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

      Diane:

      There are in fact two existing New England separatist movements already, one in Vermont and one in New Hampshire. The Vermont secession movement is run by a bunch of liberal, hippie-dippy Sixties retreads, mostly lefty academic types who get together in university lounges and pubs wearing tweed jackets with patches on the elbows and turtle-necked sweaters, where they bloviate about fighting the power and how they hate that awful man George Bush, so forth and so on. A lot of them are Jews, and after they got Obongo elected the whole thing seems to have dried up and blown away.

      The New Hampshire secessionists are libertarians, and they do indeed have a migration plan, but they are not overtly racial and that kind of defeats the purpose of the exercise. Why secede and take all the problems of America with you? The last I heard they’d gotten about 20 or 30 families to actually move. We’re doing a little better, but to be honest, not much.

      If anybody wants to set up a viable and serious New England separatist movement based on the 14 Words, more power to them! Just remember the famous words of A.K. Chesterton: “If they don’t name the Jew, their message isn’t true!”

    • Frank Marshall
      Posted April 11, 2011 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

      Miss Schreiber, I agree with you entirely about the idea of a Northeast Territorial Imperative. This need not compete with the Northwest. Just one thing, though,..your idea “complements” Covington’s; it does not “compliment” it.

  100. Rich Gieseke
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    I have never been a part of a white seperatist movement before, so I have done alot of research before commiting to any one group or school of thought. I do know what I have personally gone through and have seen over the years, and it has gotten much worse for white men and women. If we show any kind of pride in our race, right away it is called racism. We are being forced to intergrate with other races and tensions are rising. They have orgs. such as the N.A.A.C.P and the S.P.L.C, white people have none of that. I Agree with Harold that we need a whites only homeland. A place where we as Whites can live without the forced racial diversity that the Government is putting upon us. As far as the 14 words, I agree.” We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” What man would want less for his children and his race. The 88 Precepts also speak the truth to any race. You can substitute the words “Aryan” and “White” with any other race or color and they would make sence for that race or color of people. Yet because we are white, we are put down and called racest and worse. I believe it is time for our race and our people to take back what made us great and damn the rest. Forced diversity, social conditioning in our schools and through the media will not work for long. I feel when push comes to shove, The poop will hit the fan and the walls will come tumbling down. I for one want to be ready for that.

  101. Fourmyle of Ceres
    Posted April 11, 2011 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    *climbs up ship rigging, tacks his colors to the mast…like….THIS*

    There Is No Positive Alternative To The Northwest Republic.

    That places a metathematic perspective on what is the last, best hope our Race has on this planet.

    I will simply begin by noting what I have said before.

    Rockwell’s Model envisioned using the extant political process to work for the representation of the White Race, and worked from the bottom, up. His goal was, in part, the formation of a political party that was devoted solely to representing the interests of the White Race. It starts in Virginia, and ends up in Washington, D.C.

    Covington’s Model, as I understand it, sees the extant political process as a testing ground for our developing the future Leaders who will create and sustain a Racial Homeland for the White Race. In contrast to Rockwell’s “bottom-up” model, Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model works from the top, down, in providing the overarching goal that all of our activities must work purposefully to support. It starts where you are, and ends with our Posterity returning to walk Among The Stars.

    That’s good enough, for now!

    I’ll address Covington’s Basic Points above, directly.

    The colors I wish to nail to the mast here is that there is NO alternative to the Northwest Republic as a Homeland for the White Race.

    I have asked only one question from Covington’s critics:

    What is YOUR alternative, and how do you propose to make it happen?

    The one and only response so far has been to suggest we take over and control the cities, and then, somehow, take over and hold the country.

    This, from people who can’t “take over and hold” one street corner in South Central.

    The Northwest Republic ties together perfectly with the metapolitical project, as the temporal bridge for the metapolitical project, and a place where our Posterity – Children, and Grandchildren – can live where none may make afraid, and may make their Manifest their unique Racial Heritage, a Destiny worthy of Manifestation, indeed.

    Want to make the Fourteen Words a reality?

    Focus Northwest.

    To paraphrase General Robert E. Lee:

    “You can do no more, and your grandchildren deserve no less.”

    • Posted April 11, 2011 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

      Sorry, I can’t figure out how to capture quotes directly on this site yet, so I’ll cut and paste:

      “Rockwell’s Model envisioned using the extant political process to work for the representation of the White Race, and worked from the bottom, up. His goal was, in part, the formation of a political party that was devoted solely to representing the interests of the White Race. It starts in Virginia, and ends up in Washington, D.C.”

      True. This was also in the 196os, where such a project was at still feasible, at least theoretically.

      “Covington’s Model, as I understand it, sees the extant political process as a testing ground for our developing the future Leaders who will create and sustain a Racial Homeland for the White Race. ”

      Mmmm….close enough.

      “In contrast to Rockwell’s “bottom-up” model, Covington’s Northwest Republic Analytical Model works from the top down, in providing the overarching goal that all of our activities must work purposefully to support. It starts where you are, and ends with our Posterity returning to walk Among The Stars.”

      That’s the plan.

      “The colors I wish to nail to the mast here is that there is NO alternative to the Northwest Republic as a Homeland for the White Race. I have asked only one question from Covington’s critics: What is YOUR alternative, and how do you propose to make it happen?

      “The one and only response so far has been to suggest we take over and control the cities, and then, somehow, take over and hold the country. This, from people who can’t “take over and hold” one street corner in South Central.

      The Northwest Republic ties together perfectly with the metapolitical project, as the temporal bridge for the metapolitical project, and a place where our Posterity – Children, and Grandchildren – can live where none may make afraid, and may make their Manifest their unique Racial Heritage, a Destiny worthy of Manifestation, indeed.

      Want to make the Fourteen Words a reality?

      Focus Northwest.

      To paraphrase General Robert E. Lee:

      “You can do no more, and your grandchildren deserve no less.”

      ********

      My “model” is that of the COLONIAL WAR, a template which has been used both successfully and unsuccessfully over the past century by revolutionaries of all races. The object is to compel a withdrawal from a specific piece of territory by making the continued retention of that territory by the occupying power financially, politically, and eventually militarily untenable. As I say in my novels: “In a colonial war, it is never the generals who surrender. It’s the accountants.”

      Such an insurgency undertaken against a United States at the top of its game, or even today, would be doomed to failure. No one disputes that, least of all me. But my (purely fictional, of course) NVA insurgency which I describe in the novels is not confronted with the United States government or the United States military at the top of its game.

      I am describing a United States that is both morally and financially bankrupt; a United States whose military is stretched as thin as a spaghetti strand by maintaining over 700 overseas bases and at least three brushfire wars and foreign occupations; a United States burdened with a collapsing economy, massive unemployment, massive foreclosures and home loss as the productive White middle class disappears and the tax base withers away accordingly, bloated and corrupt government so incompetent it cannot even rebuild a major American city after a natural disaster, and a growing population of surly and non-contributory illegal aliens from the Third World who drain the country’s resources like leeches.

      I am describing an America in decline that can only “win” wars for a while by massive aerial bombing, and yet is so afraid of losing pilots and the resulting bad PR that they use incredibly expensive drone missiles to blow up weddings and elementary schools by mistake, tactics which realistically would never be used against a domestic insurgency or, if used, would cause such massive PR blowback as to virtually guarantee the success of the rebellion.

      I am describing a United States so unsure of itself and its moral authority that even with its military stretched to the limit, it dare not conscript an army for fear the guns would be turned on itself, by any one of half a dozen dissatisfied racial and ethnic groups.

      I am describing an America where the President of the United States has to schedule his television addresses so as not to conflict with American Idol and Dancing with the Stars. I am describing a United States where the president quite literally cannot address a classroom full of eight-year-olds without a teleprompter, which must be hauled in and set up by his small army of flunkies and bodyguards.

      Needless to say, since the United States of America is the greatest country in the world and has achieved diverse and democratic (as well as Democratic) perfection by electing an African-American to the highest office in the land, it therefore follows that no such United States could ever exist in reality. So just read the novels and enjoy!

      • Posted April 11, 2011 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

        @ “Sorry, I can’t figure out how to capture quotes directly on this site yet”

        You can use the standard “blockquote” template with < instead of quotation marks, etc. Just make sure to preview before posting it.

        * * *

        I have read the whole Quartet and the three TOQ articles republished here at C-C. My first thought is that I must be thankful to Mr. Covington for something very concrete but so complex that I cannot explain here.

        To those who have not read the novels, see some excerpts here.

  102. Posted April 11, 2011 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Okay, we’re off to the races.

    I will be working on Radio Free Northwest today, but I will check in regularly and make the time to respond to the posts. This is actually something of a historic occasion, one of the few attempts on the part of the Movement (or whatever you want to call “this thing of ours”) to use the internet to its full potential to actually exchange serious ideas.

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