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In Defense of White Sharia

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Donald Thoresen recently wrote a criticism of the White Sharia meme, wherein he alleged that the proponents of the meme may perhaps be suffering from “self-hatred . . . and the internalization of white subservience.” As one of the genuine originators of the meme – which was first promulgated on my podcast, The War Room, in late 2016 – I assure you: this is simply not the case.

In his piece, Thoresen wonders why anyone on the Alt Right would be “attracted to the brutality of the Islamic world” and advises those who enjoy the White Sharia meme to “decolonize themselves.” Unfortunately, it is Thoresen who needs to decolonize himself. He seems to have internalized the attempts of the darker races to meme our men into pacifistic, overly-civilized weaklings. Our enemies have facilitated this lie precisely in order to disarm us before moving in for the kill. But, in reality, barbarity is not foreign to us whites.

We should never forget that Faustian man was once, not so long ago, the most vicious and barbaric player on the world stage. Oswald Spengler referred to early Western man as “the red-haired barbarian” of “Frankistan.”[1] Whites did not conquer the entire Earth by being nice or civilized; Whites conquered the world by sailing into foreign lands and taking those lands by force. Vikings, Crusaders, and Conquistadores alike were all practitioners of rape, pillage, and plunder.

But, alas, we have lost that barbarity. Our enemies have successfully memed us into cowardly weaklings. We must all focus, as Jack Donovan has famously said, on “becoming a barbarian” again.[2] So, how do we do this?

Do we attempt to LARP as Vikings or other glorious figures from our distant past? This approach is already being taken by the pagans amongst us, and that approach is fine. I am not a pagan LARPer myself, but I fully endorse those who have chosen that path. Ultimately, however, I am skeptical about our ability to successfully resurrect dead forms.

Again, we have lost our barbarity. We’ve lost our traditions. We’ve lost our culture and our identities. Will we regain any of these by looking to our history books? The Muslim world is the only civilization left on Earth today where an extreme and rigidly codified patriarchy still exists. Sharia law, though practiced today by some of the world’s most despicable races, is the only living example of anything that even remotely approximates the patriarchal society that Western man once had himself.

I do not advocate converting to Islam. Nor do I believe that our people should actually adopt sharia in an unaltered form. However, calls for our people to adopt a sharia-like form of extreme patriarchy are an effective tactic because, again, it is the only living example of extreme patriarchy left in the world today. It is not a long-abandoned tradition lifted from the pages of a history book. It is real, alive, and visible to everyone, glaring at us and taunting us for being alienated, atomized cosmopolitans.

And let’s be clear: our race and our people will disappear from the face of the Earth unless we implement a radical, rigid form of extreme, regimented patriarchy, even more extreme than what we in the West had in the past. Either we appropriate the successful tactics of those of our enemies who are winning against us due to their more patriarchal cultural forms, or we continue to lose the war.

I don’t like Muslims, but if they had invented the wheel, I would have no qualms about stealing it from them. If our enemies are in possession of a superior weapon, it is our duty – in the name of the survival of our race – to steal that weapon from them and use it against them. One must fight fire with fire.

Ultimately, cultural forms are not and should not be considered as anything other than tools of the race. What is important is the survival of our people. And our people have worn various outfits throughout their history. Christianity was one such cultural garment that many of our ancestral tribes agreed to don in order to gain Rome’s approval for whatever patch of Europe they had come to rule over. And we should have no qualms whatsoever about utilizing any useful cultural forms we discover or organically conceive. Those who insist on resurrecting dead traditional forms are merely prioritizing their LARPy nostalgia over the survival of our people.

Western culture is dead. We now merely inhabit the ruins of what was once Western civilization. Faust died in the fires of the Second World War. His dying spirit lingered on in America before finally dissipating during the 1960s. The goal before us cannot be to resurrect a dead and dying thing, but rather to lay the groundwork for the coming Heroic Age.

Francis Parker Yockey described the Jews as a fossil of Babylonian civilization. While Yockey believed that the next task of Western civilization was the creation of the Culture-State-Nation-People-Race-Empire – what Arnold J. Toynbee would label a Universal State – he implies that the final form of any civilization is fossilization via melding into a Culture-State-Nation-Religion-Race-People, a term that he utilizes to describe the post-civilizational reality of the Jewish people.[3]

But what Yockey failed to consider is the possibility that a Universal State, or Imperium, could take other forms than that of a Napoleonic or Hitlerite Caesarism. Samuel P. Huntington spoke of liberal democracy as the Faustian Imperium, and he interpreted the consolidation of power around the metropoles of Washington and Brussels as akin to the establishment of the Western Universal Empire.[4] The next task of Western man is not to forge an Imperium. Our civilization is already in the stage of the dissolution and rot of the Imperium. The next task of Western man is fossilization: the formation of the Culture-State-Nation-Religion-Race-People.

To complete this task, the merging of race with spirituality and culture, followed by a caste system-like merging of this three-way chimera into a rigid code, we cannot merely be traditional. We have to create new cultural forms. If we take inspiration from a living, breathing form of extreme, regimented patriarchy that is right in front of our faces, if it helps facilitate this culture creation, so be it.

In our skeptical, jaded postmodern milieu, humor is the most effective way to reach people. Satire is the language that American youth speak. The Right Stuff has shown the effectiveness of extremely edgy and multi-layered irony.

The White Sharia meme, like the helicopter and oven jokes before it, is an extreme form of edgy and ironic humor. It has caused so much controversy only because it has become so popular. It serves as a distant beacon of the patriarchy we as a people need and will one day have. It is both a rallying cry for the disillusioned young men in our movement as well as their guiding light. The inspiration it is giving these young men will assist them in their future culture creation.

When I say we will have White Sharia in White Afghanistan one day, it means that we will have an extreme tribal patriarchy in the ethnostate. But it also offers visions of what that patriarchy and that ethnostate could look like. People can imagine themselves with a beard and an AK in the Appalachian Mountains. Images and examples are more powerful than words. That is why joking about White Sharia is more powerful than pleas for returning to long-dead traditions.

Notes

1. Oswald Spengler, The Decline of the West, vol. 2: Perspectives on World History (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1950), pp. 42-43.

2. Jack Donovan, Becoming a Barbarian (Milwaukie, Or.: Dissonant Hum, 2016).

3. Francis Parker Yockey, Imperium (London: Wermod & Wermod Publishing Group, 2013), pp. 483, 552.

4. Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order (London: Penguin Books, 1997), p. 53.

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44 Comments

  1. Ogier the Dane
    Posted June 22, 2017 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    “Vikings, Crusaders, and Conquistadores alike were all practitioners of rape, pillage, and plunder.

    But, alas, we have lost that barbarity. Our enemies have successfully memed us into cowardly weaklings. We must all focus, as Jack Donovan has famously said, on “becoming a barbarian” again.”

    What women excactly should born-again white barbarians rape? Our white mothers, sisters and daughters? Or perhaps those of the brown hordes who have invaded our continent, when we drive them out? We would then be handing our most precious belonging, our genes, with all the iq ang ingenuity it possesses, not excactly wise. Already now, many of the most successful individuals in the arab world are suspiciously white in complexion, some even blue-eyed. We would boost their competitiveness in future generations. And how about the “donors”? How will it be to think that you might have a son or daughter living a thirdworld life, belonging to a competely different world and destiny than what ones child ought to?
    And besides chivalry and knighthood being intertwined in european tradition since the middleages, the ideas of having rules in war, prohibiting meaningless cruelty and mutilation of the defeated can also be traced back to the knight orders. Not in order to be moralistic, but as a means to preserve the mental health of your own warriors, since leaders of knights observed that excesses towards a defeated enemy seemed to inflict bad mental health and dysfunction on the ones inflicting the harm as well.

  2. Decon9
    Posted June 15, 2017 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Others have already adequately refuted all the justifications for this “meme” so I’m just left with a few points to make. (And meme is in quotes for a reason. Quit saying it is “just a meme” and then defending it as literal policy.)

    People in this movement have been able to, for the most part, look past considerable differences in areas like religion and political philosophy and find common ground. Yet when it comes to White Sharia, I notice its defenders demand everyone accept their views without compromise. They seem very intent on turning the Alt Right into just a manosphere movement with some edgy racism thrown in. Maybe they are just controlled opposition?

    Also, I will say that this “meme” is successful in one way – it functions as a litmus test that exposes the less desirable people in our midst. I invite you to take a tour of the Daily Stormer forums to get a first hand look at the mental state of White Sharia proponents. These are people who can’t find their way out of their parent’s basement much less contribute to a serious social/political movement.

    This whole thing is nothing but Semitic degeneracy started by a couple of baffoons and promoted by a toxic midget who has been trying to inject his personal issues with women into the movement for awhile now.

    The serious Alt Right should start regarding White Sharia as a separate entity that is not a part of our movement.

  3. Fashyfashionism
    Posted June 15, 2017 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Why oven meme’s work but white sharia doesn’t. Many who support the white sharia meme point to other over the top meme’s like oven meme’s of the alt-right and ask themselves why are my bro’s so cucky? Well my autistic objectivists friends humans are emotional and social creatures, and not just the women-folk.

    Context matters, the holocaust while it should’ve happened unfortunately didn’t. Poking fun at lampshades, bars of soap etc is jabbing the eye of ZOG and reminding people all the absolutely bat shit crazy things they’ve slandered our great people with. They hate having to admit they promoted lies about the holocaust like lampshades so it puts them on the defensive. Also even for the true lame brained normies who only know the holohoax via shindlers list and inglorious bastards they don’t really believe a white state capable of pulling off a systemic genocide is possible or likely to happen. However, sharia does not require state or a military all it requires is fanatics. Therefore a threat from nazis is concerning but a threat from even 50 dedicated white terrorists which the word sharia is closely asscioted with is not just concerning but terrorfying to the normie. They would be willing to funnel staggering amounts of funds and override untold number of civil liberties including but limited to removing entire websites, shutting down conferences and arresting people for European like thought crimes here in America to stop a white sharia movement in a way they wouldn’t be galvanized for when posed with the threat from nazis.

    Some might look at that argument and think they already try to shut us down, it can always get worse. Others might look at it and say see it makes people react more than even nazi imagery therefore it must be good.

    The reactions we should care about is from our own people, we should be mindful of how we present ourselves to non-whites but inherently we care about white people more than others. What does sharia mean to us vs the holohoax???

    We don’t have family members killed in nazi “death camps” we are detached from the physically trauma or alleged trauma. Everybody kinda knows on some level worst atrocities have happened even if they haven’t been programmed to feel the same outrage for it and can’t tell you why they don’t feel the same way about millions of Chinese killed by Mao. Every normie knows on some level there’s a hypocrisy in which we treat the holohoax. Which makes it meme magic.

    Both are open wounds against our people, however the holohoax is an old historical abstraction at this point and is only kept alive as a psychologically weapon against us. Sharia is an open wound in the literal sense of the word wound, as we speak there are white men & women in European hospitals from sharia. Sharia is a force that is actively attacking us. Put aside the terrorists attacks, how many Europeans have been disfigured mentally, spirtually and physically because of Muslims in their schools or neighborhoods. If I was a European white nationalist my blood would be boiling. Sharia is ripping Europeans apart in both in psychological warfare from Semitic media but also in the physical sense of actual European bodys’. That deep agony and misery from both the body and soul of Europe makes “white sharia” even as “just a meme bro” a failure.

    White sharia in the context of the current year does not work, it’s not divisive to the movement because people “counter signal” it, it is divisive because Europe is being consumed by sharia as we speak. Normie Europeans who’ve had their daughter, sister, cousin, niece kidnapped, raped and sold into sexual slavery *IS* going to react emotionally against white sharia even as just a meme and won’t give a fuck if it was meant as a joke or not.

    Using it as a teachable moment, Sacco destroyed that. If the *TRUE* intent of white sharia was to highlight the misdirected rage of normies onto safe white targets then the war room failed by going on 30 minute long rape fantasy’s. I’m in favor of “get in the kitchen” or “make me a sandwich” meme’s which accomplishes the same goal of highlighting the double standard or white vs brown patriarchy.

    *Greg Johnson calling it whigger sharia was brilliant way of illustrating to Americans how this meme looks particularly to non-Americans. Arabs are the negros of Europe, young white males who turn into wiggers in Europe hang out with Arabs. It would be like appropriating negro’ism for American white nationalism. **however Greg I’m sorry but it’s spelt wigger, a whigger seems to huwhite to me, a wigger lose their huwhiteness when they go black. ***i don’t really care, I just thought it was a funny point to make and the more ***’s at the end of a comment the funnier

  4. Charles
    Posted June 13, 2017 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    you can always convert to Islam and memorize their prayers and get a sub-white bride that will give you unlimited unprotected sex, basically nothing in conservative America has anything on this, as American and european women in general are disgusted by an idea like marriage before sex. also once the honeymoon is over you can go back to doing the things you do, you get your Muslim wife although she may not speak good English and at the same time you do not need to do anything like grow a beard or stop eating pork, she will just have to deal with your white man westernized habits, as long as you can satisfy her in bed she will not leave you over something like a beer. of course you will not get a Nordic blonde this way…

    • Starfighter_Alpha_88
      Posted June 14, 2017 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

      I can’t tell how much sarcasm your post is drenched in (maybe all of it, haha).

      You say: “Of course, you can’t get a Nordic Blonde this way …”
      I say: Take one look into Nordic societies, and tell me with a straight face (I dare you!) that the women there don’t need a very stern punishment, beginning with a period of forced burqa-fication.

      Other additional punishments can be determined during this period, commensurate to the nature of abuses committed.

  5. Blitzmemer
    Posted June 11, 2017 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    I initially thought the meme was funny as I assumed it was only trolling that was not serious. Sure, I support more traditional gender roles and there is much wrong with gender relations in the west today. But the solutions as presented by white sharia (even disregarding the obvious trolling like rape gangs and genital mutilation), such as an extreme patriarchy (that is simply not founded in the traditions of the west), are simply neither realistic nor particularly appealing.

    Women have always had a stronger role in European societies than among the mudpeoples. My source, Kevin MacDonald.

  6. J.R. Phillips
    Posted June 11, 2017 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    After reading this, I”m even less convinced this is a good idea, but at least I can finally make sense of the bizarre case of the “neo-Nazi” who converted all the way to Islam:

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/22/suspect-to-cops-i-killed-two-roommates-for-disrespecting-my-muslim-faith/

    At first, I thought this must be some sort of gross distortion on the part of the news media. What sort of “neo-Nazi” would not only convert to Islam, but go full Muslim and kill unbelievers for disrespecting his faith? Couldn’t possibly be someone in our sphere, right? Now I see that there are people who think sharia and Islam are laudable things we should aspire to, as long we call it white. The remarks about “bombing his country” suggest he made a seamless transition from “white sharia” to plain old sharia pretty quickly and easily.

    Promoting Islam or sharia as a means of promoting patriarchy or attacking feminism, even as a supposed joke, winds up being simply promoting Islam. After all, if they’re so much stronger or more masculine than any of those dead old Western cultures, why not just go there? We need to provide a good alternative, and talking up sharia (“white” or not) is certainly not it.

  7. Claus Brinker
    Posted June 11, 2017 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Sorry it’s not an effective meme. It’s hurting our movement. Let it drop already. You sound like a psycho.

  8. Myles Davidson
    Posted June 11, 2017 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    If Sacco Vandal and The War Room are the future of white civilisation… let it die I say :-/

  9. Bjorn Thorsonn
    Posted June 11, 2017 at 1:48 am | Permalink

    Jesus, why must we yet again run into the deserts of the Middle East to find a concept to worship and die for?

  10. ChadNationalism
    Posted June 10, 2017 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    The overton window has been successfully shifted. White Sharia now has everyone in the movement talking about the importance of a return to patriarchal values, whether they like the term or not.

    • the Right T
      Posted June 10, 2017 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

      They were talking about it before this.

      If you want to talk about something- just do it.
      This hysterical screaming mi mi finger in nose tactics is a way you are like silly coy feminine manipulators.

      It’s not “marine humor”. it’s just bullshit.

  11. Starfighter_Alpha_88
    Posted June 10, 2017 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    The vast majority of comments here miss the point. You are taking the meme WAY too seriously.
    For anyone who has ever listened to The War Room, it is clear that Marine humor is intended to be as barbaric as humanly possible. The substance and form of their jokes is NOT necessarily to be taken seriously. The intent behind the jokes, however, is.

    For example, a common trope of White Sharia involves blowing rape whistles to open a portal to the 1488th dimension, from which Vikings with flamethrower bayonets come through and rape “Aryan Alpha Male” babies into “THOTS.”
    The substance here is patently absurd. The intent, however, is to express a desire for the renewal of our race with the most gifted children. Also, it expresses a desire to punish the selfish, nation-wrecking women who continue to place their careers, easy lives, and instant sexual gratification over motherhood and family.
    These are two questions which we as a race cannot afford to answer incorrectly.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted June 10, 2017 at 7:46 am | Permalink

      This is a pretty weak defense. I think the critics are making progress here.

      • Starfighter_Alpha_88
        Posted June 10, 2017 at 8:08 am | Permalink

        One of the main issues the commenters seem to have with “White Sharia” is that it includes the word “Sharia.” However, what this tells me is that the word Sharia is already well-known. A joke about White Sharia needs no explanation as to what it means: “Sharia for Whites.” All discussion can be directed to what it entails. Assuming everyone approaches the issue rationally, which is a big assumption.
        Another issue seems to be the bad taste left in “Conservatives” mouths by its association with Islam. I simply retort that the Alt-Right/New-Right is already thoroughly reviled by the vast majority of “Conservatives.” As for the younger and more malleable “Conservatives” -the only ones I see as potential converts to our way of thinking- they are going to be less concerned with “muh evil Islam” and much more concerned with forcing the vapid sluts who surround them back into their proper place in the home.

        • Fashyfashionism
          Posted June 15, 2017 at 8:49 am | Permalink

          You’re grasping at straws and coming up short at every turn:

          1) marine humor, I think this goes beyond marine humor and into a sick coping mechanism responding to PTSD, TBI or both. With that said taking your argument at face value it still comes up short, if this is just barracks Bantz there’s a reason they stay in the barracks and not presented to the public. No sane army ever presents its self as crude despots. From ancient time to now, army PR has always been about honor and moral fortitude, not being extreme for the sake of making a point. The army doesn’t allow infantry men to do its PR campaigns for a reason.

          2) sharia is known, but for all the wrong reasons. Your attitude seems to be extremely Americanized, which is fine for an inside joke but not great PR. Europeans have had their daughters, sisters, cousins, nieces kidnapped, raped and sexually trafficked. Besides terrorism how many families in Europe have been ripped apart by Muslim men leaving young whites permantly disfigured from a robbery or girl strung-out on drugs after getting raped. Sharia is an open wound on Europeans, not an historic abstraction like the holocaust. Men of Europe on the right would be rightfully disgusted and have a vitriolic hatred of sharia which is understandable and reasonable.

          TBH FAM You sound like a strip-mall suburbanite, completely obtuse to the world around you, and narrowly focused on self interests(vagina and your failed quest).

          3) “muh evil Islam” Islam is evil and younger “conservatives” are more opposed to it than the boomers. The Islamic invasion of Europe is a huge motivating factor of why young white males are entering the right. In Europe it may be the sole reason why they’re entering the movement. The hatred for Islam amongst non-cucked whites is only going to grow, if you’re unable to see that you really shouldn’t say anything in public. *the only caveat to that argument is that I don’t want pro-white movements to be hyper liberal reactionary movements like the alt-light, but nobody here are making those arguments so don’t strawman me with women voting BS.

  12. nineofclubs
    Posted June 10, 2017 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    ‘.. if they had invented the wheel, I’d have no qualms about stealing it from them.’

    I think this is the crux of the matter. If your argument is basically that white people would be better served by a rigid patriarchy (I disagree, but anyway..) then there are any number of Western patriarchal traditions you could draw on to promote that view.

    By choosing to use sharia as a vehicle for the promotion of this view, you risk (1) alienating social conservatives who may come over to a nationalist perspective but are repulsed by the foreign nature of Islam and (2) lending de facto credibility to sharia and Islam more broadly.

    To use your own analogy, if Arabs AND Europeans had invented the wheel, why steal it from the Arabs and risk lending credence to other aspects of Arab culture – including an obvious hatred of us? Use our own cultural heritage. An edgy meme might impress a few rebellious adolescents today, but they’ll have forgotten it tomorrow.

    For the record, I believe that Australia and other western nations will have the best chance of survival under illiberal governments that put the wellbeing of the organic nation first. This will necessarily involve curtailing some of the individual liberties that we’ve come to see as rights since the late 60’s. But this does not require wrapping our women in niqabs. If we establish an economic order where families can have a decent standard of living on one wage, the pressure on women to work is reduced and families can raise more children, as many would like (but cannot afford) to.

  13. Posted June 10, 2017 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    I think the only good thing about this meme is that it trolls alt-lite types who are anti-Islam only because it is anti-democratic, anti-feminist, anti-gay, etc. The problem with the Middle-Eastern invasion of Europe isn’t an anti-liberal religious fundamentalism, it’s that these people aren’t us.

    That strength is also it’s greatest weakness. These people aren’t us, and Islamic brutality is fundamentally Semetic and anti-European. The ideological difference between the Torah/Talmud and Koran/Hadith is virtually nonexistent – it’s all primative sandnigger swindling and survivalism. While I am not necessarily pro-Christian, at the very least the New Testament is highly influenced by Hellenistic mystery religions and various other forms of Neoplatonism, which is why Christianity always has had a very common sense view of gender roles as complementary, similar to traditional European paganism. The idea that to survive whites must become like Semites is revolting. Whites could also “survive” by reproducing in fatherless welfare communes ran by grandmother-matriarchs, but at that point “white” is nothing more than a skin color and has become totally deracinated from European tradition.

    Saying it’s either beat your property-wives without pity and put them in burkas or feminism is an absurd false dichotomy. Rebirth our people’s pagan traditions, or at the very least gender roles before Enlightenment fallacies totally warmed over.

    • Jaego
      Posted June 10, 2017 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

      As Savitri Devi said, the New Testament is hopelessly spiritual and impractical. The Sufis concur, saying that Jesus taught the way to the Other World while Mohammad taught the Way in both Worlds. So how did Christianity survive? By retaining the Old Testament and by taking on the Warrior ethos of both Rome and the Germanic tribes.

      I don’t think you’re even grasping the question. You won’t get the right answer until you understand the question. How does one or one’s culture survive in a primitive, barbaric, world? Your answer? Being barbaric and primitive is bad. Wrong answer or correct answer to a whole different question.

    • Nestor
      Posted June 10, 2017 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

      “I think the only good thing about this meme is that it trolls alt-lite types who are anti-Islam only because it is anti-democratic, anti-feminist, anti-gay, etc. The problem with the Middle-Eastern invasion of Europe isn’t an anti-liberal religious fundamentalism, it’s that these people aren’t us.”

      Right now, that “only good thing about” it is, I’d say, such a good thing about it that it practically justifies the meme on its own.

      As for your other points, look at the situation as a teeter-totter: feminism has unbalanced sex relations so far in one direction that you would need as strong a push as possible in the other direction if you actually do ever want to achieve some sort of Aristotelian mean. Opposing extremism with moderation is not effective.

  14. Lemur
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    There is no excuse to ever invoke the traditions of another civilization. Instead, we should be looking at the general way in which Indo-European societies treated women *at the systematic level*. Somebody who has studied this should poast here on this.

    ‘White sharia’ sounds very much like the totalitarian impulse Evola identified when a formerly spiritual-organic unity (in which hierarchy was the product of attractive as opposed to coercive forces) calcifies. Look at the Muslim societies who practice Sharia in its most extreme forms – they’re not just non-Western and non-white, they are decrepit political orders on their own terms. Saudi Arabia is comprised of decadent despots, fundamentalist fanatics, and a lazy citizenry who can’t fight a war to save their lives. Evidently the ‘spiritual vitality’ with which the dominate their woman isn’t the panacea for an effective political order.

  15. Fashyfashionism
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Our women are sick, but raping them and making war brides of them isn’t going to get us to the stars. Geniuses can’t be created, but they can be destroyed. An abused child in pain regards of IQ will not grow into a man.

  16. PhilosophiCat
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Not a single argument in that whole thing. Just a lot of assumed conclusions with no logic or evidence to back them up. Greg, why are you posting this kind of anti-intellectual garbage from a caveman LARPing as the patriarchy?

    • Jaego
      Posted June 10, 2017 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

      Early European in North Africa describe how the Berbers would throw rocks and spears and then run away. Yet a couple of centuries later they took Spain from the European Knights in Shining armor. We may be throwing rocks, but our Sun is rising.

      Patriarchy is an owned word. Feminists own it. We need a new approach.

  17. Le Happy Pepe
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    The way you know that this entire concept is trollish LARPing is that the creators of this meme chose to use the term Sharia, as opposed to calling their proposed system of extreme patriarchy something less likely to alienate just about 99% of conservative whites who may be otherwise sympathetic to white nationalism. Therefore, just from a branding perspective alone, this meme is rank stupidity.

    As to the substance: the author claims that it would be impossible to revive European traditions for the modern age. Let’s ignore every instance of traditionalist revival that has occurred throughout Western history and assume that this is indeed the case. Why is it any more likely that a foreign and hostile system of values would gain broad acceptance among whites? There will never be a “White Afghanistan” because whites are not Afghans and do not wish to be Afghans, Vandal’s peculiar personal preferences as an Iraq/Afghan war combat veteran notwithstanding. We do not need white nationalists to dance on the grave of Western civilization and declare it dead. Our enemies are doing that just fine. Our job is to bring it back and defend what remains.

    I also fail to see why the author does not wish for whites to convert to Islam. If Islamic traditions really can save our race and bring it to new heights of glory, as Christianity once supposedly did, why not adopt the real thing? A cheap knockoff would hardly be able to create a new “Heroic” age of rape and pillaging.

    • the beer seats T
      Posted June 9, 2017 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think you guys understand what a traditional Patriarchal European society even is. These guys- from the war room- would go to jail in a traditional European society. It wasn’t that long ago either. European men of not that long ago – would not allow these guys to do what they do. A patriarchy makes things safe for family. They didn’t allow punks like this.

      Before you can advocate for traditional Patriarchy you first have to even know what it is.

  18. Mr. Frosty
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Tl;dr and don’t have to. White Sharia is a weak, confusing and failed meme. If you have to write an “in defense of…” article, then the meme failed, let it die. It never triggered liberals, they just got confused. It didn’t rally the Nationalists, most were either disgusted or confused by it. The fact that certain parties are really, really trying to kick this dead horse says a lot about them.

    Christian Warriors still exist
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DwqXa6fT90

    Manlet Anglin needs to read the stuff he puts on his own site
    http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CsfJS3WVUAAx0x7.jpg

    • Arthur Frayn
      Posted June 9, 2017 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

      Ok, the meme failed. It is confusing for people and unnecessarily obnoxious, but the idea behind is important. We really are going to have to find some way to roll back the sexual revolution. This isn’t optional.

      Let’s put it this way: If I thought non-ironic white sharia was the only way to restore monogamous marriage and set things right, I’d support it. How important is survival to you? That’s what we’re talking about here. As much as we’d all like women to approve of us and as much as we want to avoid scaring them away from white nationalism, are you so sure we can accomplish this simply by asking nicely?

      This society is in ruins. More than 1 in 4 men in Norway go without having children while only half as many women go without them, and this when we know for a fact that both men and women when polled equally expect to have them. It’s twice as likely not to pan out for men while women form harems. That’s a disaster. We’re reverting to r selected 3rd world matriarchy and Sub Saharan mediocrity.

      Men who have no reasonable prospect of marriage and children have no real investment in their society. You could argue that it isn’t their society at all. A guy in that position will ask why he should defend “our” women. They aren’t *his* women. He has no women or children to defend. No future, for that matter. Is it any wonder why those men would roll over for an Islamic invasion?

      • Posted June 9, 2017 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

        There may be some hope of restoring traditional gender roles and the valuing of the traditional family unit to some extent, given some intensive metapolitical work and assuming that the True Right ever gets its hands on real cultural power. But the idea that there is any possibility of an “extreme” patriarchy being established in today’s West, as this article calls for, even if such a thing were desirable (it isn’t in my view), is nothing more than a fantasy. The only aspect of liberalism even more deeply ingrained in the Western psyche today than racial equality is sexual equality. The reason is that it has roots that go deep into the history of Western culture, much further back than just the 1960s or the 1920s. It’s true that radical feminism and the politics born out of “gender theory” need to be combated, but the solution is not to go to the exact opposite extreme. The solution will have to be one that will appeal to a large number of whites, and believing that a majority of whites would ever accept a brutal return to a primitive form of gender relations is just as LARPy as the things condemned in this article. And attempting to realize this will just lead to even further division among whites. How would our mothers, daughters, and sisters react if we tell them that they shouldn’t be allowed to attend school or work (which logically follows in an “extreme” form of patriarchy)? Most will only end up hating you, or thinking you’re crazy, unless like in Muslim families you plan to literally beat them into submission, which reduces us to a level unworthy of our heritage. If “white sharia” is introduced, it will be violently brought into being by the new Muslim overlords who take power once we become minorities in our own countries, it will not be developed by a healthy white civilization.

        • Ogier the Dane
          Posted June 10, 2017 at 12:40 am | Permalink

          Even our most barbaric ancestors were not patriarchal like other races at the same time. Viking society had a high degree of gender equality, not just in that women could be shield maidens, actual soldiers, but especially in their rights to divorce if their husbonds were gone on raid or trading for more than a year, and she would get to keep their estate, their children, and could take a new husbond of her own choice. Not really close to sharia..

          • Fashyfashionism
            Posted June 10, 2017 at 10:59 am | Permalink

            While the Vikings allowed for outliers to raise without a systemic rule of no women, most of what you stated was basically myths. One of the oldest ASATRU societies in America was started by an agnostic Jew who simply wanted to say F- you to the dominate white culture, their work had really muddied the waters. The Vikings were extremely patrichal and would shame women who didn’t marry and breed, there wasn’t an egalitarian you can be whatever you want be attitude in the Viking world. Most stories sourced for these claims are extreme outliers or were taken during wartime, and we’re not an accurate portal of everyday life. Women were allowed to divorce their husbands? Sometimes, rarely. Remember divorces inintiated from men or women had to be approved by the gothi or chieftian depending on the highest ranking authority close to you. Gothis were only men, there were a few female chieftains but again outliers, also female chieftains had extra rules attached of giving her male handlers more input. Most divorce request were shot down and they were encouraged to work out their differences. Your framing made it sound like a no-default divorce. Also really the only times women were able to divorce their husbands is if he was deemed a detriment to the children. Those were very extreme cases of sadists and on the rare occasion that a female initiated divorce was granted usually the male was killed by the gothi because he was a child rapist or an extreme sadist. Gender roles were defined and enforced, just because whites are mentally flexible enough to acknowledge an outlier doesn’t mean we were egalitarian hippies running around dirty in the woods. Slapping your wife on occasion wouldn’t get you killed or divorced though, get real.

        • Jaego
          Posted June 10, 2017 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

          Women dream of being put in their place. Check out the whole fantasy Amish genre. Marry that with Fifty Shades of Grey. Got it? Don’t say you do if you don’t. Female sexuality is incredibly primitive. This reality goes right under the radar of most intellectuals – who then are puzzled why they are celibate and the beauties are with the dark skinned thugs. Read “Submission” by Houellebecq. Maybe we will help you out like the Muslims helped the professor. Or maybe you will prefer them to us in the end….

          • Posted June 13, 2017 at 8:21 am | Permalink

            You make the mistake that all manosphere, neo-patriarchy types make, which is namely thinking that what women may find temporarily arousing is therefore the key to social organization. Both men and women enjoy being titillated, and are often attracted to the exotic, which keys into their fantasy lives. This does not, however, mean that most white women therefore secretly want a husband who behaves like a medieval Sultan with them and their children, or that they all want non-white partners (marriage statistics put the lie to the latter). I am not necessarily saying this about you, since I don’t know you, but my impression of most manosphere, partiarchy types is that they are young, naive men who don’t understand women and are unsuccessful with them, and thus have developed a fantasy role to play which they believe will earn them respect and get them laid more often. In my experience, they don’t get laid any more often than anybody else, but pretend they do, and are unprepared for family life, which involves very different character traits than those which work to pick up a slut in a bar, and thus they remain stuck in a perpetual adolescence when it comes to relationships. Be that as it may, I have many white, male friends who are successful husbands married to white women and who are also successful fathers, and none of them behave like medieval Sultans. This sort of silly “extreme patriarchy”/manosphere rhetoric needs to be put aside as it only serves as a distraction from the real issues that we confront.

        • Posted June 10, 2017 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

          I think John Morgan’s comment on this issue is definitive. I second it entirely.

  19. Greg Johnson
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    To say this meme is “ironic” implies you don’t really believe it. Obviously that is not the case.

  20. the beer seats
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Your premise is based on viewing Sharia Law and Islamic society as being successful. More successful than our own.
    The Alt-Right focus completely on our own shortcomings and problems- while simultaneously praising various aspects of non-Western societies. Or non-White societies. However, Islamic societies are failures. They are in bigger trouble than Western societies. Shall I expound?

    You guys are fakers. That is the problem wit the alt-right.

  21. Posted June 9, 2017 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    I agree the meme is strong, humour is needed. Hope is utmost important.

    When it comes to actual policies I think Salic laws etc. should be more of an inspiration than Sharia. One can even look to greek and their coverings of women in the public with veils and all. But Sharia is forreign, not needed and contains evil.

  22. Niko
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    “Western culture is dead. We now merely inhabit the ruins of what was once Western civilization. ”

    “The goal before us cannot be to resurrect a dead and dying thing, but rather to lay the groundwork for the coming Heroic Age.”

    “Sharia law […] Is the only living example of anything that even remotely approximates the patriarchal society that Western man once had himself.”

    “. If we take inspiration from a living, breathing form of extreme, regimented patriarchy that is right in front of our faces, if it helps facilitate this culture creation, so be it.”

    “I do not advocate converting to Islam. Nor do I believe that our people should actually adopt sharia[…]. However, calls […]to adopt a sharia-like form of extreme patriarchy are an effective tactic because, again, it is the only living example of extreme patriarchy left in the world today.”

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    I don’t see how this isn’t effectively promoting Islam. If we cannot look to our own past and work for a Palingenesis, if western culture is truly dead, then why not adopt Islam, which you argue is the only ideology which has the tools to literally save our race?

    You cannot make use this logic but then assert, “but don’t adopt this awesome weapon which will save our race.”

    This logic actually does inspire whites to convert to Islam, and we can expect more and more whites to convert as Islam grows in the west. People will be attracted to it because it will provide more and more status and power- and protection. Looking at the statistics in the UK, White converts to Islam are growing.

    Look at Iron March, many of those folks converted to Islam on the same exact logic you use, Vandal. In fact, one of the converts killed some atomwaffen members recently, and the media are now subtely implying this white Muslim did the right thing because the victims were white nationalists.

    This meme is bad news, fam. It’s our duty to provide an alternative to Islam based in our own traditions. To throw this opportunity away, hoping to remake our ethnos based on ad hoc adoption of foreign ideas is naive as well as downright bizzare.

    Not long ago, the Islamic world was moribund. Women hardly wore the veil and men didn’t follow the law- certainly not the elite. Then a reform movement sprang up in order to revive the traditions. This reform movement constituted, I think, a palingenesis; and it has been largely successful. This is why Islam is so robust today. If you want to take a page from “Islam,” look there; but I say don’t, because reviving old traditions is not unprecendented in the white world, not at all.

    • Fashyfashionism
      Posted June 9, 2017 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

      The only ironic part of White Sharia is in his argument against reviving old traditions he calls himself a LARPer as a vandal.

  23. Teutonick
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Another benefit of this meme is that it forces those on the left that are okay with Muslim Sharia to admit why they are not okay with White Sharia. That of course being that the subjugation of women is okay, as long as it isn’t WHITE men who are doing it.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted June 9, 2017 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

      So we are told. I am sure that is why Whigger Sharia advocates are attacking women like Lana Lokteff.

      • Doctor Mayhem
        Posted June 10, 2017 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

        Eh, I apologized to Lana. If she isn’t going to get over it after said apology, that’s her problem. Not ours. We ceased our attacks on her, too.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted June 11, 2017 at 1:26 am | Permalink

          What a gentleman

  24. Arthur Frayn
    Posted June 9, 2017 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    I’ve found that people who counter signal the white sharia meme either didn’t understand it or are extremely naive about how corrosive and damaging the sexual revolution has been to us. They’re typically people who think like Dennis Prager and vastly underestimate how difficult it’s become for young men to successfully attract wives, start families, and not destroy their lives when they are divorce raped or end up in debtor’s prison because they couldn’t afford child support payments.

    Vandal is right. There’s no future unless we can roll this back and reestablish traditional monogamous marriage. That is going to take a lot more than declaring yourself “trad” and making individual lifestyle choices, assuming it is even realistic to successfully make them in the given climate.

    Monogamy is about more than the birth rate. Establishing families structures our lives in socially beneficial ways and invests us in the long term success of our communities. It’s what give us a shared future. It isn’t just religious or moral sanctimony when somebody points out that the traditional family structure is the basis of our civilization. It is truly the foundation of all of this. All our institutions are arranged around family formation and procreation, and without it, we’re done. We’re a people cut off from our own future.

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