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Greg Johnson, Styxhexenhammer666, and Tara McCarthy Discuss Ethnonationalism

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  1. Antiochus
    Posted January 19, 2018 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Greg is certainly our best spokesman, which is why the controlled media will never go near him. It is unfortunate that when weighed together, the time it would take to reach enough of our race stacked up to the hour glass of overwhelming demographics..I’m not so optimistic. Without unforseen global externalities such as a magnetic pole shift or nuclear war, I’m afraid we’re lost. Who knows though..this site gets me through.

  2. Alex
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Greg Johnson is a great man

  3. NoddingHead
    Posted January 15, 2018 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it’s because I have just been on a reading frenzy of Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard, but I think you put too much emphasis on culture and language and not enough on biology. In the end you might lose to Styx unless there is more focus on biology rather than culture. Anyway, enjoyed the debate or discussion.

  4. Frontierland
    Posted January 13, 2018 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    This was the most focused representation of the Pro-White position yet, in the recent debates between Pro-Whites and the Anti-White position being displayed by the Principled-Skeptics.
    You displayed without fail, what attracted me to the Pro-White position when I first heard you on Red Ice years ago. Your words are deliberate and concise, an ability to both speak and edit at the same time. You stayed on message and weren’t led astray from the higher theme with fantasmagorical hypothetical scenarios.

    Great job Greg.

    Upon hearing your debate, it inspired this meme…

    https://i.imgur.com/WNc4R3E.jpg

  5. Antony
    Posted January 12, 2018 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    Good debate – Styx is one of the few Skeptics I’ve got time for, and some of his points could be taken on board.
    An achilles heel of certain sections of the alt right (ie “dark enlightenment” and monarchist types) is their fetishisation of aristocracy and elites, yes, people who are skilled at a job will rise up on merit, but the aristocracy were/are just a mafiosi type murder-ocracy who duped the masses with “divine right” myths, or executed those who questioned them – to bring things to the modern day, we have new myths about the infallibility of the croney-capitalism and fiat currency/Federal Reserve/Central Banks practised by the banksters, and fighting wars in the middle east on behalf of (((God’s Chosen People))).

    • Alex
      Posted January 15, 2018 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

      I completely agree. I have Also met people like that. I guess there are more of them here in europe then in north america and australia/New Zeeland. I have worked at a place Where there was quite a few Aristocrats. They are against the social democrat order of the day, But They are generally not white nationalist. They dont care about Their landsmen at all, there is No bound there. These are not an atractive bunch of people in My view.

  6. Dr ExCathedra
    Posted January 11, 2018 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Funniest moment. When Styx failed to show up on time, Greg said that he was probably off looking for a shirt.

    • Dov
      Posted January 11, 2018 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

      Ha. My favorite was @1:39:08 or so when Greg says, “No, no, I’m just stunned into silence by this…”

  7. Dov
    Posted January 11, 2018 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    A confident, sound, and extraordinarily smooth presentation by GJ of the causes of and solutions to White displacement/replacement. If I were someone who’s simply happened upon this discussion, I’d be searching for more GJ content right now. This isn’t to say that Styx was horrible; I think he presented his side rather well, as far as considering the unforeseen negative consequences that could arise from the soft expulsion of non-Whites from America (although, I doubt that China would have much use for the departing Blacks and Hispanics). However, the immediacy of the salvaging of White nations overrides abstract concerns, so I’d say the fight would be worthwhile.

    I wouldn’t give it more than two years before Styx becomes an ethnonationalist (a redundancy, but a necessary one these days, given that few people understand the meaning of “nation”) – once one appreciates the White predicament, it’s difficult for one to maintain other political ideologies for long.

    Greg and Tara, you may be too “extreme” for his show, but keep an eye out for a fellow named Stefan Molyneaux on YouTube. He’s very liberty-based, but I think that if he were ever to hold a discussion with Greg, some unimpeachable points would be made on the pro-WN side.

  8. K
    Posted January 11, 2018 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    Styx believes since the idea that white people having their freedom and own sovreignty is so maligned the rest of the world would oppose us. When he mentions this, I can’t help but think of Rhodesia. If every American white became an ethnonationalist, what the rest of the world would have to say would not matter.
    His arguments boil down to “slippery slope” if whites determine they want a white only state, they will start oppressing their own? really? He knows currently that we are being oppressed right? so we should not try to stop the invasion of our homelands because our own elite would be bad?

    One criticism that should always be levelled at these individualist thinkers, they should be challenged to name nonwhites who share these individualist beliefs. This individualistic race blindness is strictly a white thing. Intelligent non whites do not have it.

    Also, something Greg mentioned that whites were leaders of the world. It is because of that envy that non whites glorify in our dispossession and downfall. Styx seems to think nonwhites will act in good faith. They never will. Despite, white people’s current predicament we are seen as being on the top and the other races would like nothing more then to see us torn from that position. Nonwhites don’t want a civic nationalist state they never will. They would do their utmost to turn it into an apartheid state with their group on top and whites as their productive slave labor.

  9. R_Moreland
    Posted January 11, 2018 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Styxhexenhammer666 is a good ally. If nothing else, he opens a door to White nationalism for a wider libertarian/counter-culture audience.

    As for civic nationalism – it might work if Western ruling elites supported it; if citizenship were a privilege and not something handed out to any border crosser; if foreign incursions were repelled with ruthless force; if minorities went along with the program; if… There’s an argument that civic nationalist conditions prevailed in the late Roman Republic through the early to mid Empire, hence the cohesiveness of the state in the face of any number of rebellions, civil wars, plagues and barbarian invasions. Civis romanus sum!

    The dilemma today is that elites in the Western world are hostile to the White middle class, citizenship is trivialized by globalism, mass migrations into White homelands are welcomed, and minorities are contentious under the prevailing ideology of multicultism (and yes, it has taken on the aspect of a cultic religion, complete with entire White populations drinking the Kool-Aid(tm)). So the civic nationalist card is not in the practical deck, at least not in this historical epoch. Which is why it defaults to ethno-nationalism.

    A black plague level apocalyptic threat just might be the forge which generates a White Renaissance. As for the issue of violence, given current trends it all may just end in a bloodbath anyway.

    Now where’s that gladius?

    • Lexi
      Posted January 11, 2018 at 6:10 am | Permalink

      I agree that Styx should be seen as a non-hostile. Dealing with him is win-win for us. He is not going to change any of our minds, and as long as he doesn’t start condemning us, he may well be just as useful to us as a non-hostile outsider as he would be as a committed convert.

      I like his style. This was the closest I’ve seen him come to losing his cool. If he is willing to engage with us, and give us exposure to his audience, which I suspect is rather high-quality, I’m grateful for that, even though it is frustrating at times.

  10. Ben
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Excellent debate. As has been mentioned elsewhere, debating some of the notorious YouTubers, like Sargan, would likely redpill a large portion of their subscriber base. You will be an immediate hit on the YouTube political circuit.

  11. Senhor Botero
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    What an interesting debate between two very intelligent people. Both sides handled themselves rather well I thought and leave much to consider. I agree with Mr Johnson in that I would love to hear further discussion on the subject of state versus individual control and responsibilities. Based on what I heard here I come down on the side of Greg Johnson. I am rather stunned however that Greg J is so Scholastic in his thinking. For a guy who sees himself outside of the traditional Christian world what you said thruout the interview to my mind sounded like Thomas Aguinas. Mr Johnson I think you are a Traditional Roman Catholic at heart. Good job in the debate, every time I thought that styx had you, you roared back. I would say that both of you made good points. I too tend to think with him that right now the fight is over culture which once won by default creates a world where whites will succeed and you can then leave to others unable to fit the option of self deporting.

  12. Lemur
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Re ‘the slow cleanse’, why not just ban reproduction by non-whites? If you do reproduce, you get deported. That way you could eliminate them from our societies within a generation.

  13. Colton
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Great exchange.

    Can you please debate some heavyweight on the left? Someone with prestige, like Žižek, Thomas Nagel, Chomsky, Sam Harris, etc? Somebody who can be rational like Styx yet be on the Left.

    There’s got to be some leftist out there with an obsession with the Alt Right who is ripe for the defeating in a debate. You’ll be able to put down more red herrings, slippery slope arguments, goal post-moving, contradictions, and hypocrisy than someone teaching about those things in a philosophy class.

  14. Libertardistan
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Is Styx jewish?

    No real White could still be this stuck in Libertardistan at his point…

  15. Vick
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    First, I want to say good job to Mr Johnson for taking on Styx. I have a few thoughts about the debate that I hope he reads in good faith:

    1. YouTube seems to be the place to be at the current moment. For a while now, YT has just had white nationalist videos which existed in sort of a ghetto, with different personalities talking to themselves and to fellow white nationalists, but something really interesting is happening where white nationalists are talking to each other on video and now, are beginning to debate non-white nationalists. People love watching these debate videos. They’ve got elements of drama which make them appealing to watch, and, more importantly, helps create a sort of momentum where white nationalist ideas can make their way out into the mainstream. Writing on blogs is good – but YT is where the action is (as long as Joogle allows it, of course).

    2. The Skeptics and their obsession with the mechanics of implementing an ethnostate is sort of a trap for white nationalists. Johnson correctly saw this in the debate, and moves around it, but perhaps we should pause to talk about ways to deal with it.

    As it currently stands, the white nationalist argument in recent YT debates goes something like this:

    a. White people face genocide if mass immigration/migration trends continue.
    b. Therefore, white people need ethnostates of their own.

    It’s point b. that people like the Skeptics seem to choke on.

    I’d like to offer this slight adjustment:

    a. White people face genocide if mass immigration/migration trends continue.
    b. White people need to become self-aware of their identity as “White People” in order to deal with the prospect of white genocide.
    c. Therefore, white people need self-determination as “White People,” and ideally self-determination would take the form of ethnostates of their own.

    The truth is, we don’t know what the future will hold and the possibilities are limitless. What we do know is that raising white consciousness – for white people to begin to see themselves as “white” – is the crucial next step.

    In one crucial respect, events are on our side in the sense that as whites see power slipping from their hands at the ballot box due to demographic changes, it is inevitable that there will be a rise in white consciousness and “taking our own side.” Given this, white nationalists only need to create social and cultural enclaves which welcome white people who have awoken into white consciousness. We can speculate about which sort of conditions are the most welcoming – but it doesn’t matter – those “white only” socio-cultural spaces will have a life on their own and will evolve faster and in ways than even White Nationalism 2.0 can predict.

    Given that the process of white awakening is more or less out of anyone’s control at this point, it also means that the “last step” i.e. the creation of ethnostates is even less under control, even less certain as to how they will take form, and most of all, far less important than the simple job of trying to accelerate the process of waking up white people.

    And so, for the time being, I think we should necessarily be vague about the ethnostate and simply point out that we want what most countries on the planet already have – nations which are more less culturally/racially/ethnically homogeneous. The mechanics of how to achieve that can range from compassionate to violent. It really doesn’t matter. Our main goal is to wake white people up.

    The Skeptics will point out that we are being vague or running away from the question – but it is fine to be utterly transparent and honest in response to this criticism. We are at a historical moment where the ethnostate is basically unknowable. Our main problem as a race is acknowledge to ourselves the simple truth that WE EXIST and have interests of our own, as a race. Simple stopping these “ethnostate debates” in their tracks and forcing the white Skeptic to become racially self-aware could be a big win and make a big impression on bystanders. Perhaps I am myopically focused on raising white consciousness, but I do think it is a rather heavy, important, and crucial sort of transformation that every white person needs to make.

    Just a thought. Hope this post has some value for Counter-Currents readers. Cheers.

    • Posted January 10, 2018 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

      Using the word “skeptics” may be confusing given the recent sargon vs spencer debate. I am assuming that you mean skeptic in “skeptical about ethnostates” but otherwise right-leaning?

      Styx repeatedly stated that he had no problem with ethnostates. His main objection -as libertarian- is that concentrating power in a government makes that entity way to powerful. And once the future unfolds that power will be used by people who do not have the experiences and lessons from their predecessors. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That power will be used to achieve personal interests. There is no way to avoid that.

      The US started out as a small government republic. In a very real sense it started out as an ethnostate. Yet the concentration of power in the govt is what has lead us here.

      I have no answer for that argument. And I do not believe that Greg has given a good answer either.

      • Lyle Bright
        Posted January 11, 2018 at 4:33 am | Permalink

        It has occurred to me that when ‘white identity’ is empowered (excuse that tacky term) and when we turn back the critical onslaught against whiteness, our special cultures, our histories, and the value-sets and meaning-sets that we established, that the ‘brown other’, or whoever the heck they are, will no longer be able to wield this critical tool against us.

        The critical tool seems to be that of Cultural Marxism. It is a wedge, a lever, a guilt-trip, and in my case Jonathan Bowden expressed it best in ‘Western Civilization Bites Back’: it is a grammar that we have allowed to be used against us. It turns us against us is perhaps one way to put it. And we require a counter-grammar with which to destroy the *critical arguments* of these undermining operatives.

        The day will soon come when we will defeat these destructive critical ideas, and really that is happening quite fast. Our efforts are affecting the discourse and we are getting through to people. I often write on so-called ‘conservative’ blogs (true Cucks!) and have over a two year period watched people begin the Red Pill process.

        One day, we will no longer be susceptible to the Critical Theorists and their polluting, destructive and undermining discourse. As one iconic YouTuber with a leonine presence often says, that day will be ‘glorious’.

        As I see things, one of the most important things is to defeat the (((New York Intellectual Establishment))). That is an edifice ripe for falling. They will go down screeching, but I honestly think they will go down.

    • TexasorBusted
      Posted January 11, 2018 at 1:00 am | Permalink

      I totally agree. The key is to expand white racial awareness. Whites are not aware of The Displacement. Normies are not aware that society is losing European/white standards. Moving the Overton window on possible options and futures for Normies should be the point of these debates, win or lose.

      Normies don’t even have the proper language to articulate white problems. Thank (((Them))) for removing the vocabulary required to bring white nationalism to the mainstream.

  16. Lexi
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    I haven’t finished this whole show, but I want to get some thoughts out while I have. minute.

    First of all, color-blind nativism is a failed strategy that Whites accepted in principle wake of the Civil Rights movement. Whites thought all Americans would come together as a civic community with a leading White supermajority that would set the tone of the society and define its norms, while providing equal rights to all citizens. That could have worked, but non-Whites didn’t keep their end of the bargain. They have allied with the Jew, stabbed Whites in the back, and supported displacement-level immigration. They piled on as Whites who disagreed with this agenda were shouted down as racists, White supremacists, naps, etc. Yet, here again we are supposed to treat non-White interests as sacrosanct, even at our own expense. Why?

    The truth is that once Whites implicitly conceded racial egalitarianism by accepting integration and civil right, we were in a rhetorically weak position on immigration. If Whites were not entitled to their own schools, why would anyone recognize the legitimacy of an immigration policy designed to keep the country White? Again, non-Whites had gained the moral high ground and pressed their advantage.

    It’s high time for explicit pro-White politics. Much to his credit, Styx doesn’t seem to object to White political mobilization. He really can’t, because he has already conceded that White identity and self-preservation are morally legitimate. As I said in a previous thread, that is more than half the battle. Already, moral legitimacy concede tremendous scope for Whites to assert themselves, even if only by non-viol not means.

    On the subject of violence, I would say this. Styx seems to think that White ethnonationalism carries an unacceptable risk of mass bloodshed. The problem with this view is that in theory, all ethnic self-assertion caries this risk. Non-whites know they are imposing on us and taking over our countries against our will. We know they know it, because they call the us racist all the time, which is of course an acknowledgement that most of us don’t particularly want them here. They block vote for Democrats, even against their own economic interest, because they trust them to repress any White backlash.

    Now, if demographic aggression is not a reason to risk violent conflict, then probably nothing is, and you wind up with a completely defenseless, neutralized population that is vulnerable to all kinds of abuse. That is why the Rotherham abuses were swept under the rug. That’s why there are no-go zones in Europe. Policing immigrant ghettos is seen as a provocation that could escalate into violence. Styx needs to articulate exactly what sort of insult would be sufficient to justify Whites putting our own interests first, even at the expense of “fairness” to the other, and even if it risks catastrophic violence that of course nobody wants.

    • K
      Posted January 10, 2018 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

      I imagine Styx realizes the minorities will not readily give up their gibs. I don’t think Blacks will never want separation. Even with their current feeling of oppression, they know their ethnostate would be shit so it is far more attractive to maintain the status quo. The other hispanic minorities, it is the same way. They have their ethnostates already and they hate them. Styx is wrong that the state would be the one to initiate violence. It will be all these groups that have gotten a free ride. They will violently oppose this. Also, every Civic nationalist and classical liberal seems to believe that other races have a right to white people. Styx seems to argue that they have a right to white people because conflict could happen if that is taken away from them.

      • TexasorBusted
        Posted January 11, 2018 at 1:14 am | Permalink

        Great point. “Is it a right that minorities must be in close proximity to white people?”

        If the answer is no, then violence to prevent minorities near whites would be justified if whites feel threatened.

        If the answer is yes, then that is an implicit admission that minorities couldn’t survive without whites. And by definition whites must be oppressed in their homelands by minorities.

        There is no way you can sell the yes answer unless you explicitly state, “Yes whites are superior than minorities. Minorities couldn’t function or survive without whites.”

        • Posted January 11, 2018 at 7:14 am | Permalink

          I fear for the future of the world if whites go extinct. White christian based culture may have been an aberration – historically speaking. Add to that the exhaustion of easy accessible natural resources, and there may never be a second chance for human kind to reach the stars.

          Maybe the existence of Trump – another aberration imo – is indeed proof of the existence of God?

  17. Posted January 10, 2018 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Good debate that actually did clarify a few points for me.
    – There will always be strife within a society
    – Government power must be balanced by individual rights lest the strife within society gets out of hand through domination of the government (it can be said that this is what has gotten us into this predicament in the first place)

    And one point of my own: The future will do what it will do, there is no controlling that. While a long time preference is a good thing, we cannot (and should not try) to dictate how future generations want to shape their nation. So any change that we try to engineer should be towards stability so that the future may unfold based on merit.

  18. Peter
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    I only sifted through it… because Styx was just too much on my nerves. I have to say: downgrade for Styx ! What an annoying bunch of stuff he comes up with…. all easily refutable… guy getting on my nerves… generally, his trademark “common sense” is useful, but not so rarely, he just doesn´t know what he´s talking about, rambling along… and in this discussion, I just found him particularly annoying and pointless. I used to estimate the guy… but wondering if he has outlived his time in the limelight.

    Not that I wouldn´t have a ton of criticism of the present form of the representation of WN…top point: WHY does WN have to be “right”?? I´m a White advocate, I have no business, or not automatically, with woman question, authoritarianism, violent mobs, economic questions, philosophical questions, world views, religion, aristocracy blah blah… I am being exterminated by organized forces and I´m standing up against it… Styx would be useful if he framed his points that way but he doesn´t, so he´s down in the ranks (I anyways found Lionel Nation more relevant, and unusually entertaining, recently).

  19. Kutlesh
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 3:02 am | Permalink

    Nearly all guys at the TRS forum admired Johnson in this debate, and all would like to see him collaborate with our hosts, as well as take other opponents to speak in the name of WN.

  20. Philip Smeeton
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    Your door being kicked in in the early hours of the morning and you being carted away, tried and imprisoned is something we all must fear. Sadly this is a reality now. This sort of justice seemed far away; in soviets, third reichs, dictatorships and african and muslim nations; but it here now in Britain,The Mother of Democracy.

  21. Rob Bottom
    Posted January 10, 2018 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Greg blew the fucking lid off this. Thanks! I hope your debates will garner the same views as that ridiculous Spencer/Sargon one.

  22. Phillip Smith
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    It seems to me that Styx’s whole argument was just him concern trolling. At first he uses arguments that Greg Johnson correctly identifies as Science Fiction and then moves on to basic Sophistry and half thought out stick in the mud objections. I can find no readily available affirmation of this but I am pretty sure he is (at least enough to fear white independence) of that one ethnic group that could not exist outside of other people’s societies and whose ethnostate is subsidised by U.S tax payers to to tune of 8000 USD per person. At least blacks could exist as slash and burn subsistence farmers in Africa and Gypsies and other parasite like groups could go back to the areas they originally came from and where they still have a presence. A certain group however can not allow the most productive of the human races (and therefore the most self reliant) to be sovereign of them as this both sets a bad precedent and limits that groups ability to grow.

    I laughed when Styx went from predictions of possible nuclear war and third world nations that only exist (as polities) due to U.S tax payer and U.N supervision allying themselves to China to saying that the white ethnostate would not be able to trade with anyone! Wow so we wont be able to send all of our manufacturing base to China anymore! As if the worlds most advanced and creative race of people with its own sovereign ethnostate not governed by hostile racial outsiders and traitorous local elites would ever be denied the right to trade and have international relations simply because they declared a racially based state by fiat! Simple realpolitik would dictate that China, Russia or anyone else would continue to deal with any American or European ethnostates.

    Greg Johnson should have made the point that racially homogeneous communities are the human norm anyway and that if the right to freedom of association (Which Styx apparently supports- though in reality I doubt it) was reintroduced by getting rid of that particular section of the civil rights legislation blacks and whites would form separate communities anyway just without blacks being able to shoehorn themselves into white institutions by using legal challenges. In other words racial separation and separate communities/institutions are perfectly natural and are the (very sound) basis for an ethnostate.

    Another day another Sophistic Skeptic arguing in bad faith and pretending to be the moderate when in reality hysterically serving a totally unacknowledged ethnic agenda. Styx came out relatively unscathed from the Doxing server scandal, took the moderate position in the Sargon vs Richard Spencer debate and now to maintain consistency has to argue completely improbable scenarios which are in no way worse than the future awaiting whites anyway.

    Be gone with these would-be gatekeepers!

    • Lexi
      Posted January 10, 2018 at 10:15 am | Permalink

      Quite right about the future we face as Whites. Styx spoke of the problem with setting “precedents” for government abuse of citizens. This is simply a restatement of the notion that as long as we lose graciously and hand over our power, the new non-White majority will give us a square deal. In this view, White notions of human rights, limited government, etc. will survive our dispossession. There is no reason to believe this is true, and even if it could be shown to be most likely true, Whites have no obligation whatsoever to even take a chance. Nor even to accept a comfortable march to extinction even if it were an absolute certainty that the last generation of White children would be treated impeccably.

      As Greg correctly pointed out, there comes a point where we have to take our own side even if it’s not “fair.” Otherwise, we are going to “fair” ourselves to extinction.

  23. K
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Is there a way that this can be put into audio version? currently, have no way of accessing youtube

    • Michael Polignano
      Posted January 10, 2018 at 12:07 am | Permalink

      Try this: MP3 download.

      • K
        Posted January 10, 2018 at 3:54 am | Permalink

        thank you

  24. J Ellis
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s great that you did this debate as Styx has a large following and many of his subscribers are good recruiting material.
    His allusion to ancient Rome as an example of a high functioning multi racial state is a stretch. What specific sources detail the racial composition over time? Which sources describe the continuity of the original culture? If your best example is a state which existed 2000 years ago and for which the record is sketchy at best, you have no real examples. On the other hand, as Greg points out, we have examples of racially homogeneous states today which are spared from the civic turmoil in Western Europe.
    His denial of race realism really hamstrings his position as well. I couldn’t take seriously on the part about South Africa.

  25. Fred Malone
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Greg, you are a superlative debater. I wonder if you could delegate a little more of your web editing duties and focus more on that? Now that you’ve been doxxed, maybe you should embrace the fact and do some public appearances? Talk to reporters on the news? Give Spencer a run for his money.

    Anyway, I want to add a talking point to those covered, and which I believe cuts through a lot of the crap that is thrown our way. Instead of focusing on the issue of social conflict as the reason we need an ethnostate, I would open by saying that we need one for our collective survival. Then I would define whites as an extended family (which of course you already do). But I would go in to press the implications of this. Get your opponent to admit that consanguinity is a consideration in their affections, or those of most people. Talk about how people pay money to research their family tree, etc. The knock-down argument is that if consanguinity and genetic continuity did not matter in and of themselves, then people would not have any more children until the world’s orphanages were empty. Then relate this back to the topic at hand. The advantage to be gained is bypassing all this complicated talk of culture and ethnicity and values and civility, which should I believe take second place to the racial imperative.

    • twochairs
      Posted January 9, 2018 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

      I was also thinking at first that it would nice if Greg would start appearing on camera: in light of the dox, and what I hope has been a succsessful expatriation. But there’s a certain magic in seeing that beautiful Janus etching, while Greg lays it all out for us. It speaks to the profundity and historical seriousness of the “counter currents” brand, and fundamental mystery of our people and their destiny, which Greg has fought so hard for.

  26. Seb Durant
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Your performance in this debate was truly exemplary, Greg. I am pretty sure it is the best articulation of our ideas that I have heard in any debate hitherto . Thank you.

    Millennial Woes could put you into contact with Jean-Francois Gariépy with a view to appearing on Warski Live, preferably on the topic of the moral legitimacy of ethno-nationalism rather than the implementation of a hypothetical ethno-state.

  27. Gorgar Tilts
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Good job. Styx will come around.

    • ronehjr
      Posted January 10, 2018 at 5:14 am | Permalink

      Styx represents the main problem with the success and wealth our race has achieved. It has allowed a fairly substantial portion of the white race to be as stupid as the dodo bird. Styx will not admit to any actual threat from other groups. He will not come around, nor will any of the other prominent NAP adherents, until the proverbial wolf has broken down their door and has chased them into their bathroom. They are truly useless as actual agents, only useful insofar as debating them helps us convert their followers.

      • TexasorBusted
        Posted January 11, 2018 at 1:32 am | Permalink

        I get that Styx is a libertarian but his comment on being pro-ethnic armed vigilante gangs vs state suppression of ethnic conflicts was crazy. I am very pro-2nd Amendment but guns are for protection of you, your family, your property and the state itself. Not for culling the herd and other tribes to keep the peace.

        • Captain John Charity Spring MA
          Posted January 11, 2018 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

          Styx might be of a certain tribe with that particular outburst.

          The state isn’t allowed to make an orderly removal of a population but a mob is free to.

          That’s Rabbi Logic.

  28. Jerry
    Posted January 9, 2018 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know how to thank you enough for being presenting our ideas so well in this debate Greg. Great job, and try arrange going on Warski’s YouTube channel if it’s possible, you’ll reach a huge audience there.

    Keep up the good work, 2018 will be a big year for us.

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