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In Bed with the Press

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Vegas Tenold
Everything You Love Will Burn: Inside the Rebirth of White Nationalism in America
New York: Nation Books, 2018

This is the most depressing book I’ve ever read. Tenold is a Norwegian Leftist journalist who has spent the last six years “embedded” with the National Socialist Movement, KKK groups, and the Traditionalist Workers Party. The result is basically a book about Matt Heimbach, whose grand strategy, at least in its first phase, is to create a coalition of skinhead, Klan, and National Socialist groups under the TWP banner. We’ll never know what phase two is.

Tenold’s thesis — that he has to maintain to keep people slogging through almost three hundred pages of excruciating travelogues, including bathroom breaks — is that Heimbach and company are a threat to the global multicultural order. But he undercuts his thesis on every page with acidic portraits of an array of bumbling buffoons and self-marginalizing cranks and kooks. Obviously, these people might be a danger to themselves — or an occasional innocent bystander — but they pose no threat to the current regime. Which means that Tenold’s whole po-faced, “deeply concerned” conceit is a fraud. His book would have been much leaner and more honest if he had simply cast it as a political freak show for smug middle-class Leftist urbanites who find it entertaining and self-affirming to look down on the antics of “white trash.”

I have not met most of the people Tenold profiles, so it would be foolish to take every detail of his account at face value. But from what I know about Heimbach and Richard Spencer, Tenold’s portraits strike me as deadly accurate, which argues for the book’s overall veracity, even though it is filled with bizarre errors. For instance, Jared Taylor is called Richard Taylor, George Wallace was murdered, and Mike Enoch and TRS are grossly mischaracterized. But these sorts of slips may simply be a function of Tenold’s laser-like focus on Heimbach and associates.

In Tenold’s portrait, Heimbach is described as a physically repulsive, slovenly crank with a compulsion to embrace positions that are divisive and self-marginalizing even within the marginal far-Right subculture, like proclaiming Orthodox Christianity at a Klan rally. All this is pretty much obvious to anyone who has followed Heimbach’s public career.

Tenold nails Spencer: “He wore tweed, drank tea, and mixed an air of affected intellectualism with the smug arrogance of every evil fraternity kid from 1980s college movies.” He also correctly observes Spencer’s penchant for lazy provocations rather than working out intellectually and morally defensible positions, his bizarre inability to take responsibility for any of his errors, such as the public relations disaster known as “hailgate,” and his grandiose self-image. I laughed out loud at Spencer lines like “The movement needs an enigmatic, badass leader,” which is presumably how he fancies himself.

According to Tenold, Heimbach sees Spencer as a “cocktail-sipping asshole,” but spends the last half of the book pathetically chasing after Spencer’s attention and being repeatedly snubbed, even after showing up to help defend Spencer when he spoke at Auburn University. Heimbach’s long-simmering hatred of Spencer is well-known, so the rest seems rather bizarre.

But let’s just pretend that this whole book is a pack of lies and distortions, as partisans of Spencer and Heimbach are likely to do. Why then did Heimbach and Spencer help Tenold create it?

What did Heimbach or Spencer expect from talking to this guy, or legions of other reporters for that matter? Are they so naive that they thought they would get good press? I can’t imagine any neutral party reading Tenold’s book and coming away with a more positive vision of White Nationalism.

What is the point of giving time and access to journalists — whom we should regard as enemy combatants — just so they can decorate the same old boilerplate about “hate” with a few fresh facts to make their mental poison more palatable?

Is somebody monitoring these reporters when they are “embedded,” or are they just allowed to skulk around unsupervised? Has it crossed anyone’s mind that these snoops might be passing along intelligence to the ADL, SPLC, antifa, and law enforcement?

Hailgate, the cringe-inducing fall of Eli Mosley, and now this terrible book — and I am sure many scandals to come — are all predictable results of crawling into bed with the press.

So why do they keep doing it? Why are they such promiscuous attention whores?

Years ago, Matt Parrott told me the cynical strategy behind Heimbach’s active press engagement, and I suspect that similar calculations drive Spencer as well. According to Parrott, most people in this movement lack the “self-esteem” and judgment to choose their own leaders. Instead, they allow the press and groups like the SPLC to anoint their leaders for them. Therefore, if one wants to become a White Nationalist leader, one must court the press and the SPLC.

How does one court the press? By giving them what they want, of course. By fulfilling the stereotypes that advance the enemy’s narrative. Thus Heimbach cheerfully incarnates the fat redneck, while Spencer plays the evil WASP snob. Thus Heimbach and Spencer have a symbiotic relationship with the enemy media. The media love Heimbach and Spencer, because they help cast White Nationalism in a negative light, and Heimbach and Spencer love the media because they believe it will elevate them over their rivals in the movement. Neither side has an interest in representing White Nationalism in a way that might actually resonate with the white majority.

But there’s more to being a leader than being seen as a leader — especially by the least discerning among us. Real leadership needs to be built on solid achievements, whether grassroots organizing, or creating educational and media organizations, or being a public intellectual. It requires hard, patient work, over many years. So it is tempting to just pull a publicity stunt in the hope that the enemy media will AstroTurf you into a position of virtual leadership.

Even if you pull it off, though, you need to start delivering positive results if you want to stay on top. But in Spencer’s case, the things he did of value — NPI and Radix Journal — have suffered, whereas the rallies and college speeches have been net negatives. He has alienated so many friends, colleagues, allies, and followers — Jason Jorjani, Red Ice, Identity Europa, etc. — that there aren’t even enough people left to cast a Spencer in the Bunker Downfall parody.

But at least Heimbach has stood by him.

Will these people ever go away?

Not as long as the movement lets a hostile press declare who our leaders are.



  1. OMC
    Posted March 11, 2018 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    I knew something was amiss about Spencer back in 2013, during an Alternative Right podcast that was co-hosted at the time by Colin Liddell and Andy Nowicki. Spencer invited his co-hosts to trace their philosophical path to the alt-right. The episode was 2 or so hours long and it was dominated by Spencer, who gave a 90-minute long uninterrupted chronology of his adult life. He went on and on in minute, often pointless detail about his life. What’s funny is that it gave lie to his apparent passion for Western Civilization. His passion is not European civilization, but himself. If Spencer ever writes an autobiography, he’ll be sure to let you know what toothpaste he bought on May 9, 2017.

    The episode may be archived somewhere and it has to be heard for Spencer’s extreme self-centeredness. When Spencer finally passed the mic to Liddell, he seemed annoyed. He didn’t treat Liddell respectfully, as if his background wasn’t important. Spencer scoffed at him.

    I don’t know why Spencer does this. Obviously, he has to realize that others notice his behavior. What does he want them to think?

    Are we supposed to be impressed by his faux elitism? I’m sorry, but a guy who talks seriously about 80s pop bands, doesn’t read the books he was selling through Radix Journal (he said Richard Lynn’s book on Jewish Intelligence was a “great place to start” learning about the history of the Jews, when it’s about IQ data) and pronounces his “t’s” and “d’s” isn’t fooling anyone.

    • Owlspotted
      Posted March 11, 2018 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

      I feel compelled to put in a good word for Spencer as he was my gateway drug to the more core entities of this site, TRS and the Stormer. It’s fair to say that if he was terrible at podcasts in 2013 he’s since improved; he has good (normie 😀 ) co-hosts such as Greg Ritter/Conte and I enjoyed listening to the Kubrick movie reviews while the original Radix was still online. The problem is he wants to bang his head against the wall trying to be something more than a gateway when he should have followed Anglin’s advice after C-ville.

  2. Posted March 11, 2018 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Collapsed Crap led by ZOGbots

    I’ve been in the [bowel] Movement since Waco and not being able to find a militia set me up two of them. In every single case, if you are successful in building anything which ZOG finds dangerous, they will try to infiltrate it in short order. Understanding that ZOG/Babylon won’t collapse in a single day or week no matter what you do or don’t do has kept people around me out of trouble. My particular Movement Mentor was James Floyd of Cullman Alabama.

    So I’ve seen tards cum and go. Louis Beam introduced me to Katja Lane, David Lane’s wife. They knew all about the Reverend Doctor Bob Millar of Elohim City being a ZOGbot. Katja Lane would tell all about “Phone-booth fuerher’s who got $400,000 in Order loot and didn’t help David Lane” talking about William Pierce and how TraitorFlenn Miller got $250,000 and yet testified against the Order and Pastors Richard Butler and Robert Miles.

    Now unlike most of the bowel Movement ober-shiessen-kopfen-feeben-fartin-fuktard-fuerhers I’ve never had any doubt that ZOG/Babylon the Third and Final will fall apart and break up into Ten Thousand Warlordcies over 10-20 million remaining ZOGling whigger and mamzer herd animals. My job has been to ensure the Collapse / Great Tribulation kills predominately the mongrels, jews, and Sixth-Day Beasts of the Field. Hence I’m not much interested in showing my self other than in running for political office in order to spread sedition at the local, state and federal level. Accordingly I’ve had a web page since Feb 1996 of which I never take anything down.

    Dickie Spencer is a 1/8 jew mischling with plenty of money from William Regnery — calls it the “Regnery Circus”. Until last week Dickie was a part of Attorney Kyle Bristow’s Foundation for the MarketPlace of Ideas. I called it the ZOGbot Poverty [F]Law Center (ZPLC). Kyle Bristow’s “law clerk” is one Bryan Reo a.k.a. “SwordBrethren” who is also on the ZPLC as is Attorney Brett Klimkowsky, who is suing myself, my girlfriend Roxie, and my Church Corporation the Church of Jesus Christ Christian / Aryan Nations of Missouri. First for $10.75 million in gederal court, then when that bogus federal lawsuit was dismissed, to the Lake County Ohio courts.

    Reo v Lindstedt 15CV001590
    Reo v Church of Jesus Christ Christian / Aryan Nations of Missouri 16CV000825

    Bryan Reo took down 10-12 Church web pages because I said that it was a homosexual mongrel. Bryan Reo and Brett Klimkowsky recently tried to get summary judgment because I insinuated that Kyle Bristow and Reo were homosexual lovers and in my motion for summary judgment tried to get Bristow and Klimkowsky disbarred for abuse of legal process. The seventh trial date has been set for June 2018.

    Looking at the postage meterings (some from Detroit as opposed to Reo’s Cleveland and Klimkowsky’s Toledo) and the postage spent it seems that they were flush when Bristow got $27,500 for lawyer’s fees in last week’s Michigan State University rally a month and a half ago, then Bristow and Spencer fell apart to where Bristow is not representing Dickie any more.

    I made a video about this last week:
    “Pulling The Buttplug on the ZOGbot Poverty FLaw Center”

    When Kyle Bristow pulled the plug, so did the goat-raper with the mongrel spawn Augustus Invictus, then the rest of the lawyers. Dickie Spencer was also on the Bored of DirecTards.

    I doubt that Dickie Spencer has very much ZOGbux left, not that it matters because there is always ZOG financing via the ” Hal Turner Model of ZOG Financing”. ZOG gives Hal Turner or Alex Linder or Don Black the ZOGbux for their operations and they get to keep the ZOGbux, whiggazmites, and geezergelt sent in by tards, whose adresses and IP #s are in turn sent to ZOG/ADL/$PLC.

    It strikes me if a Norwegian presstard can write a book about the bowel Movement then I can write one that is better, cheaper, and more accurate, especially about all the jews, mongrels, perverts and ZOGbux in the See-Eye Dentist portion of the bowel Movement.

    Hail Victory !!!

    Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
    Church of Jesus Christ Christian / Aryan Nations of Missouri

  3. Alex
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    I agree on this pice.

    I have seen Richard Spencer in events online. He is not good. I dont get why he gets so much attention. I mean his spreches at campuses, and also in online debates…. The political tensions in america must be bigger then they are here in Europe, because what Spencer says and how he presents himself in these events… I dont think he would be taken seriously in Europe. Unmature, unpolite and lightyears from any form of brilliance. Its rediculus what he does. I did not need to see much of him to stop wasting my time doing so.

    We need people like Greg Johnson, Jared Taylor and Mike Enoch.

    • Peter
      Posted March 9, 2018 at 11:28 am | Permalink

      He´s great.

  4. Owlspotted
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    The best way to avoid striking at that which is strong is to strike at that which is weak.

  5. Petronius
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Wait a second – Heimbach actually ALLOWED this guy to hang around for years? He wasn’t undercover or so?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 7, 2018 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

      Yes, he allowed this guy to hang around knowing who he is.

  6. Jerry
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    All hope is in Anglin and a few sensible people (Greg, AltHyp, Jazzhands McFeels, Allsup, Mike Enoch on a good day) at this stage. Listen to the live “TRStlemania” to see what I mean by “on a good day” – Enoch has been very unfocused recently – though he has done better work in debates than pretty much anyone other than Greg so I’m not throwing him under the bus.

    Spencer however is such an unremitting disaster that he made me consider turning my back on ethno-nationalism and identitarianism entirely. Every college talk he did had me shouting at the screen since he couldn’t answer the simplest of leftist talking points against ethno-nationalism. After every event I would be talking to acquaintances and they would bring up some stupid thing he said as it reaffirmed their multi-culti worldview and prejudice that only irrational fools concern themselves with demographic change.

    It seems like all he does is turn off people who might otherwise be concerned about the problems of demographic replacement and multiculturalism. Heimbach meanwhile is so self-marginalizing as to be irrelevant.

    Also, any chance of getting an article on the Irish government’s plan to speed up the ethnic-replacement of the Irish people called “Ireland: 2040”? The most important detail consists of increasing the population of the Republic by 1,000,000 by 2040. The population of Ireland is only over 4,000,000 for those wondering how bad this situation really is.

    • K
      Posted March 7, 2018 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

      It would be great to get McGregor to support ethnonationalism in Ireland considering he has a son, but I doubt that man cares about anything other than money. He seems to have some ethnic pride, but it is overshadowed by his greed.

      • thotcriminal
        Posted March 13, 2018 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

        hes basically a dindu

  7. GB
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    I remember reading “Hate”, the biography of George Lincoln Rockwell, and tons of other mainstream books on similar subjects like Coogan’s biography of Yockey and many of them seem to take a similar approach: portray the subject as a grave danger to democracy while at the same time ridicule them at every turn for how pathetic they are. I doubt the average reader detects the cognitive dissonance. If anything, these books were useful to me decades ago when I was starting to delve into these subjects and there weren’t that many sources available, let alone the internet. These days in which you have direct access to the sources and can also obtain more information from genuinely diverse points of view (adverse, neutral or sympathetic) it makes no sense to pay too much attention to these exposes. this is not to say I didn’t enjoy your review, but quite the opposite: Your take on this book (and Heimbach) are the most useful lessons one can get out of reading this type of work.

  8. Lyle Bright
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    I imagine that everyone who has been attracted to what we are now calling ‘our movement’ has come to it through a causal chain. I am quite aware, and becoming aware daily, of my own causal chain which has led to a profound examination of everything that has informed me.

    There is a part of this that is deeply personal and subjective and which has to do with the pressure of the surrounding world on my own self and being, and there is another aspect of it which purely intellectual and describable in political and sociological terms.

    The more that I stick with the process — both of inner, subjective analysis and reflection, and study and research — the more I am convinced of the magnitude of the task at hand. If we speak about Europe as our ideal, and European identity, we can only be speaking of a renewal project, a sort of social renaissance, an awakening. I am unable to see how this can come about — successsfully and enduringly — without a simultaneous inner/spiritual awakening. It seems to me that we need a ‘complete program’ for such regeneration and reasserting of strong identity. My own choice is to research the origins of Europe and to that end, among numerous authors, people like Christopher Dawson have been helpful to me. But then so too Werner Jaeger.

    In respect to those who have provided great examples of areas in which to do research, we know of those who have a cogent position by reading their works. But when it comes to these (what I can only understand to be) YouTube personalities I think we have a real problem. Some of these people are paid performers essentially. They develop an audience who are also subscribers and contributors and, or so it seems, turn to their audience to ask them ‘What do you want to see?’ Once one notices that that is the case it tends to make the whole relationship of Performer-Audience look a little suspect. These figures — sympathetic and charismatic as they may be — will rise and fall, come and go, and they in themselves can really do nothing and nothing will be done by them.

    The issue revolves (IMHO) around a complete reeducation project. A recovery of a Paideia that is very particular to Europe and the European person (I mean Europe-derived of course). Our movement will remain superficial, not enough intellectual and prone to emotionalism, unless we ourselves essentially reeducate ourselves and then succeed in transmitting this to others.

    I am still of course ensconsing these ideas within a core idea that Greg Johnson had mentioned, and it is an important one: just as it took 60 years for this calamity to descend on us, it will take 60 years to slowly begin to reverse it. My other visualization is that Europe received a knife in its heart through the devastating events of the 20th century and has become sick and possibly even moribund. We sense this impending crisi/death and don’t know what to do. But what we have to do is to ‘discover life’ again through our own self-reanimation. This is not that easy given what stands against us. But it seems to me that once to proper ‘ground’ is found and defined, that everything therefter will fall into place.

    And the problem here, then, is that of will: a will that can operate through time (in this insane ‘world’ of electronic mutability and ever-shifting attention).

  9. Peter
    Posted March 7, 2018 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    Our task is simple: do Whites want White ethnostates? Yes. Proof: self-segregation.
    So: how is there a problem?

    Some details :

    1)The primal point is IDENTITY. And identity = group-belonging.
    Explicit RACIAL identity is a NEW issue coming with globalisation. So we need a new adjustment of hitherto IMPLICIT racial identity-based group belonging to EXPLICIT racial identity-based group belonging: that is the new learning task for our new time.

    2)DEEP STATE = power structure: who is stopping us from having White ethnostates? The established power structure. In the eternal power struggle, the oligarchic merchants have gained a dominant position. How to cope with that: BALANCE OF POWER. Power tends to concentrate. My suggestion is the building of decentralized structures, based on local currencies. It will prevent concentration of power, thus enable self-determination = White ethnostates.

    3)VIOLENCE : distinguish between defensive violence and aggressive violence. The movement has to get rid of aggressive violence. Defenisve violence is a matter of course. It is also a tactical question; non-violence à la Gandhi, to delegitimize the establisment, is an option.

    4)Strategy: ANONYMITY! Stay behind in the shadows, have few public figures act with the full financial and internet support of the anonymous supporters. Resistance movements have to act out of the hidden, it´s a game theory problem (established power can crush any dissent).

    5)Socialism – individualism debate: it´s a pseudo problem. Non-Whites do not belong to our group, in that sense it´s excluding; but IN-GROUP, we have the group coherence of a (extended) family: in that sense, it´s socialist. It is hierarchic in a meritocratic sense; it is individualistic in the spirit of aryan freedom. But is is coherent as a group.

    6)What about the non-White races? It´s a world of ethnostates, not a globalist borderless mono-state. There is exchange ad libitum but the territories are separated. There are zones of encounter, and the there are the ethnostates.
    Race-mixers have to live in the respective territories (mulatto states like Dominican Republic) (expect decline in race-mixing Whites as a White will not wish to live under non-White conditions).

  10. Twochairs
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    At this point, either Anglin is the leader of White Nationalism in America, or you and Anglin are.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

      We really don’t have the kind of movement that has a leader. We have a decentralized network of webzines, podcasts, publishing houses, people who make videos, various parties and activist groups, etc. But that is fine, actually, for metapolitics, which is what we are engaged in now. I think actually seeking to capture political power is premature at present, but when that time comes, the necessary political movements and leaders will emerge. Until then, we should focus on metapolitics: educating the public and building communities and networks. The harder we work at metapolitics today, the sooner the day we can actually achieve political power will come.

      • Samuel
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

        Do you think that politicians like Paul Nehlen are doomed to fail at this time?

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted March 7, 2018 at 9:49 am | Permalink

          Yes, but it was not so long ago that politicians like Donald Trump would have been doomed to failure. Nehlen is using his position to red-pill as many people as possible. He is doing metapolitics now. I don’t think he believes that he can win in the near future. But as the culture changes — and WE are in part actively changing the culture — it will be possible for a Paul Nehlen to get elected.

          • PureDureSure
            Posted March 9, 2018 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

            It is (sadly) true that we may have to suffer many cycles in which Nehlen is simply a perpetual candidate (Der Ewige McCain, only good instead of evil). But, no matter how long it takes, for stepping into the line of fire the way he has, we owe the man allegiance until death. Nehlen 20XX!

        • Richard Wordsworth
          Posted March 14, 2018 at 4:29 am | Permalink

          Nehlen had a good chance to hurt Ryan running as a Trump like. He was doing great with his Pro White light and talking about free speech, but as soon as he brought Kevin McDonald into it, it all went to hell.

          As usual when the jewaholics on our side brings up jews, they can’t take just one sip. The jewish experience becomes the sole topic of conversation and then White survival becomes a poor second. Nehlen’s Twitter became wall to wall jews then they banned him. They were like flies on you know what. Thanks Kevin McDonald!

          Pity Nehlen didn’t discover Bob Whitaker, before the Alt-Right discovered him and ended a promising political career. If I saw #WhiteGenocide every where during a Presidential election campaign, I would try to find out where that came from and learn from That Guy. Pity our people don’t have that kind of initiative.

  11. Ivan
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Something my father told me as a child was to always make sure to show up, even when other factors are unknown, often the job or victory is handed to the person who simply shows up. Heimbach and Spencer understand this. They put themselves out there and no one else really steps up to challenge them for the roles they play. Until that changes, most critiques smack of armchair generalship.

    I do believe in my heart that the man that will lead us to victory is already alive, but for the next forty or fifty years we have to try and be charitable to the early beta versions.

  12. Ben
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    I was interested in reading a review of the book and not some armchair quarterback lecturing about leadership… smh

  13. Lemur
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    side note: seems like a legacy version of Radix is back online, with most of the archives.

    • CP
      Posted March 8, 2018 at 11:49 am | Permalink

      Thanks for pointing this out.

  14. Tom Gray
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    I wish we had an Orania-type effort to work toward. I feel like so much of this is the result of sheer boredom and the inability to create things and work toward real, achievable goals, on the part of people who cannot contribute meaningfully to the metapolitical effort.

    The attrition rate for young white nationalists is very high. Many poeple pass through these halls, but they leave, believing that there is no way that they can help or that there is no way we can win. How could anyone look at the events of the past few days and believe otherwise? It’s hard to fault them.

    But there also seems to be almost no interest in a real-world community. It would be so thrilling to venture toward an economically independent town of White Nationalists. Ordinary White Nationalists would have something real to work toward. It would serve as a place to fall back to, for those doxxed or fired. We could build some grand building, reinvigorate the arts and crafts movement, or whatever–make something beautiful for no reason whatsoever. We could establish our own currency–electronic and convertible–and eventually issue community credit, and we could develop products for the diaspora market. We could design the thing as we see fit–stone cottages, thatched roofs, cobblestone lanes, whatever we like. We could host conferences to our hearts content. Folks would view it as retreat, and people from all over the world would come to visit. It would be so cool and so fun, and, yet, no interest whatsoever.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

      Community building is important, and a place where we can actually make progress. So too with educational efforts. These things make our movement larger and more powerful, and they lay the groundwork for moving the mainstream in our direction. Goons battling antifa on camera make our movement smaller, more repulsive, and more marginal. We need to focus on what works, and we need to penalize attention whores who are building their brands at the expense of the greater movement.

    • Lemur
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

      Intentional communities always fail, and it would be an open target for the establishment anyway. Much better to devote scant resources to leveraging the power of the system against itself.

    • Rob Bottom
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

      While the street activism may not do much good, it does get a certain segment fired up. Greg, you must admit that marching in defense of statues and heritage are a good place for it if the optics are right. But reaching a wider audience is more important, so that rather than losing young people to hopelessness we inspire them to create and share our ideas through memes and media. We need to sort out the free speech policies of internet monopolies so that they can continue to be used as our playground. The next generation of youtubers will be huge for or against our movement depending on how things go, and that is why our enemies are doing everything in their power to stack the deck against us.

  15. Johan de Vrij
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    I know that Johnson and many other nationalists I admire are American, so it’s with difficulty that I say this but the American scene is absolute trash compared to the European one.

    Every news item that comes from your country – from Mosley to Heimbach – further solidifies my belief that if anyone is going to get their acts together, it’s going to be the Europeans. The continent of historical ethnic, religious, linguistic, and cultural tensions has been able to produce a more cohesive movement with less in-fighting than the one comprised solely of White Americans. Any progress in public consciousness made by the likes of Taylor are erased every time Spencer decides to strut around in an ill-fitting suit and Heimbach gathers his fatsos for a photo op.

    Speaking of fatsos, phrases like “the people coming over to our side are high quality” which are bandied around in our circles are not consistent with my experiences. Especially in the American scene, many of the newcomers are social rejects, fatsos, alcoholics, race-mixers, misogynists, anti-intellectuals, etc. In other words, they’re the caricature the media created of us. Compare the types that were at MSU to these [1] Flemish nationalists. Tall, thin, attractive, Nordic, well dressed, are all words that come to mind when I think of these guys. This is where the American movement should be. Unfortunately, that’s not where it’s going.


    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

      I generally agree with the claim that the European movement is better than the US. But I disagree with your claim that we are not getting quality people in the movement.

      • Johan de Vrij
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

        You’re more connected in the movement than I am so you’re in a better position to make the assessment. It hasn’t been my experience, but I hope you’re right.

        • switzerman
          Posted March 10, 2018 at 4:45 am | Permalink

          One issue here is that the “higher quality” people are the ones most likely to be anonymous/invisible due to the risks associated with doxxing. I have a degree from Harvard and a career among liberal normies, so it’s impossible for me to allow my views to be known. I think Anglin is probably the most important figure in the movement – he’s totally focused on red-pilling young white men and, and I think he’s doing a brilliant job of it. Check out the Stormer Book Clubs on Gab, which are just now getting ramped up in an organized fashion; a majority of US States are still in need of chapters, so the iron is hot!

  16. Afterthought
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it time for Counter Currents and Occidental Dissent to hammer out WN 3.0? No one is going to write us a blank check. We need to have a plausible end state and a plausible path to get there.

    When the Trump Era ends, whites will be scrambling for solutions, now is the time to build that consensus and perhaps even a shadow government.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

      Sadly, Occidental Dissent has now embraced “hard right” black-pilling and self-marginalization.

      White Nationalism 3.0 will be hammered out by Counter-Currents and advocates of American Nationalism like James Allsup, Identity Europa, Anglin & Weev, and Mike Enoch.

      • Per Nordin
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

        Andrew Anglin???

        • Per Nordin
          Posted March 6, 2018 at 11:58 pm | Permalink
          • Erwin Bauer
            Posted March 7, 2018 at 7:15 am | Permalink

            Not that it matters too much, but I suggest you listen to the man rather than the Lügenpresse. I am very doubtful that Weev is Jewish, because he looks like many people from south Germany which would fit well with his last name, as we have two Auernheims here (as far as I know), both located in south Germany (one in Baden-Württemberg, the other in Bavaria).

            Just wanted to share this, so people reading the article also listen to Weev himself and form their opinion on both sources not just one.


          • Posted March 7, 2018 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

            Erwin Bauer wrote:

            I am very doubtful that Weev is Jewish

            I’d go a bit further: I’m confident he is not Jewish.

            David Lane’s rule should be kept in mind: “If someone looks White, acts White, fights White, then until their actions prove otherwise, they are our Folk.”

            For the sake of argument, and only for the sake of argument, let’s stipulate that Weev’s family tree includes a great grandfather who was half-Jewish. Who but a mindless moron would care?

            You know you’re in a purity spiral when your definition of Aryan is far more stringent than Hitler’s.

          • Romel
            Posted March 9, 2018 at 1:33 am | Permalink

            I am very doubtful that Weev is Jewish, because he looks like many people from south Germany which would fit well with his last name

            To me, his picture always reminds me and always will remind me of a half-Jewish acquaintance. But then, this is of course not a proof, he could also be purely European.

          • Per Nordin
            Posted March 9, 2018 at 5:24 am | Permalink

            Fair enough Erwin and Irmin, you may have right about him not being a jew, or have some jewish heritage, and even if that would be the case, that is not neccesary a problem, seens there are some jews friendly to our cause.

            I just reacted when Greg wrote: “White Nationalism 3.0 will be hammered out by Counter-Currents and advocates of American Nationalism like James Allsup, Identity Europa, Anglin & Weev, and Mike Enoch.”

            I’m just very surprised that he puts qualitative publications such as Counter Currents and organizations such as Identity Europe, along with vantard’s maniacs and provocators like Anglin.


  17. Lemur
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Yeah I too have been reliably informed Spencer is increasingly isolated. Engagement continues to tilt toward dissident right nodes like Fash the Nation, Warksi bloodsports, Gab, Red Ice, Woes, post-C’vlle figures like Allsup and Fuentes, Patrick Casey, Faith Goldy, Lauren Rose, and even the tiny niche of the alt-left.

    Lana and Henrik at Red Ice deserve enormous credit for their efforts. They provide a megaphone for dissident right views on youtube, with the graphics and presentation that constitute a floating signifier of narrative authority.

    My intuition is that the dissident right always attracts the socially and psychologically deviant, who in turn turn turn our efforts in a platform for their neurosis. We have to find a way to address this structural deficiency. On a distributed network of virtual fiefdoms, that can only come through culture change. Might I suggest that everybody who is in a position of influence, and at least on speaking terms, gets together and put their name to a resolution that rejects the self-defeating tendencies like public Nazi LARPing, the READ SIEGE cult, and attention whoring? Put together a list of all the stupid things done to date, and draw a line under it. On a positive note, commit to promoting healthy virtual environments. The neurologically deviant must be driven out like the money lenders from the temple. So must the axioms that rationalize their actions. We have to start imposing psychologically adaptive habits in the same way the corporations inculcate their employees with anti-racism and diversity. Finally, I propose a sort of Security Council formed from an understanding each prominent figure will consult the others before taking a public action that implicates everyone. A veto means the action must not be taken. This would promote more rational thinking by reducing the echo-chamber effect and build trust.

  18. Greg Johnson
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    This description of Heimbach as a scam artist rings true. But why build actual institutions when you can just lie about them on social media? Why do any grassroots organizing when you can become a “leader” through the AstroTurfing by the mainstream media?

    • Vortrekker
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

      I maintain that it’s impossible for white Americans to have a fascist-nationalist-WN revolution. You still sit at the heart of a great Empire where your ambitions as a soldier, statesman, academic, businessman are nearly unlimited. Enjoy it while it lasts.

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

        Argument needed

        • Rob Bottom
          Posted March 6, 2018 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

          Come on Greg, he’s clearly saying the masses are too comfortable to get active in a revolutionary movement that would risk upsetting their leisurely existence. At the very least it’s going to make a lot of people uncomfortable, both personally and professionally, before it gains any traction. And too many people are simply unwilling to take that risk. Therefore, things will have to get much worse before they get better, hence accelerationism.

        • Vortrekker
          Posted March 7, 2018 at 2:49 am | Permalink

          Sir Oswald Mosley had the correct economic and diplomatic ideas for the UK in the 1940s-70s. Had he simply played the game in Labour Party cabinets in the 1930s he’d have beaten Attlee to the PM job. Sadly the LARPed as a Fascist while the British were still an Imperial Folk.

  19. Samuel Nock
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Richard Spencer cares firecely for two things:

    1. That Whites regain control of their culture and a homeland where they may flourish.

    2. That Richard Spencer, at all costs, be the leader of the movement to achieve 1.

    His belief in White nationalism is sincere, but his absolute will to be the leader of it blinds him or leads him to ignore the ways in which those two goals may, at times, be at odds. The movement is too young (in both senses) to have an unquestioned, coronated ruler. We are decentralized and dynamic. Some amount of the infighting within the movement results from this josteling to be the undisputed leader, when it is way too soon for any such fights.

    Every dissident right group should do its own thing, do it well, cooperate with other groups where possible (even where ideological or personality disagreements exist) and not focus on ‘besting’ its own allies.

    How has Spencee alienated Red Ice? I know that was supposed to be a three-way collaboration between Spencer, Friberg and Red Ice. Is Red Ice now out of that picture?

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

      Yes, Red Ice is out of the picture. But never fear, the swindler Friberg remains in the Spencer camp.

      • Steve-O
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

        I wasn’t aware that Red Ice and Spencer were on bad terms. This might sound naive but I hate hearing about people I like being on bad terms.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

          I know nothing about the “terms” but they pulled out of the Alt Right corp.

          • Dominique_Nuit
            Posted March 7, 2018 at 8:46 am | Permalink

            In the interest of fair play, it should be acknowledged that [snip]

            Editor’s note: I am not interested in fair play.

  20. WN
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    If anyone had not yet figured out that Richard Spencer is a train wreck, the recent “AIPAC is gay” banner from Operation Homeland should have made it crystal clear. The man is a clown. It is obvious that he is, as he would say, not nearly as smart as he thinks he is, and that he is simply an egomaniac with no concept of strategy, no practical vision, no unique insights. Nothing but a guy approaching middle-age trying to be cool in front of a bunch of kids who don’t know any better. He is an embarrassment. It is an unfortunate state of affairs when Whites are so starved for a political voice that they have to resort to following people like him.

  21. Oldvannes
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Spencer and Heimbach get criticized and attacked by the Leviathan but nevertheless are allowed to periodically take their circus act on the road. If they had more options in the public sphere would they be as clownish? Maybe they don’t even know. Anyone with a better strategy and more thoughtful message would be savaged 24/7, or ignored (Jared Taylor).

    Giving speeches on Campus is bound to fail and paint us in a very bad light as disruptive and maniacal. It’s not our space, it’s theirs.

    Our greatest natural allies are white suburban middle management (PC has many of them either hiding under their desks or ready to join the SS) and recent college grads who have left utopia and are becoming seasoned in the realities of adult life under the diversity regime of the Leviathan.

    If we keep focusing on the very young our movement will never mature. Find a way to engage the interest of the two groups I’ve mentioned in a PUBLIC MANNER and our movement will blossom rapidly. Keep entertaining the young and we will be a fad. We misuse and misdirect our resources. Things like TRS need a ring master and not the clowns (yes they can be funny) running the show.

    The intellectual wing of our movement is important, but without effective public ritual we are coffee house dilettantes.

    The Europeans are and have been showing us how this is done. Austria and Italy have nationwide successful political parties. Are we that different?

  22. Posted March 6, 2018 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    When will we get a Spencefarian-Johnsonian truce?
    The problem with Spencer is his increasing populism and drift from intellectual roots. You are correct in calling him out.
    I want to hear you all sit together and mull over some Spengler, Guenon, Bowden & Evola. Everything seems so materialist now. Must be the normie/lumpenprole influx

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

      Spencer and the swindler Friberg launched a campaign of lies and gaslighting last year with the express purpose of destroying Counter-Currents. There will be no truce.

    • Voryn Illidari
      Posted March 6, 2018 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

      With no populism there are no numbers. With no numbers there is no chance for us to achieve our goals. We need populist Spencers just as much as we need intellectual Greg Johnsons.

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

        Does Spencer have populist appeal?

        Premature populism, especially mobilizing people recuited from the dregs of WN 1.0, makes our movement smaller rather than bigger.

      • Voryn Illidari
        Posted March 6, 2018 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

        My comment was directed to axolytyl up there. He said Spencer needs to be more about intellectualism and less about populism. My point was we need populism, not necessarily Spencer’s brand of it (though I’ll confess that I respect the guy for his efforts of furthering our Cause, and think his college talks are great) but populism in general. Too much Intellectualism results in a small club of big brain nibbas that have no mass appeal and don’t make anything happen.

  23. Rob Bottom
    Posted March 6, 2018 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    I dunno about the book’s title, but after your article the burn center is going to have some new patients alright.

    Let’s be honest. No one cares about Matt Heimbach. I’ve heard his name before once or twice but I’ve never read an article or essay by him, and he has no youtube presence. So he leaves his mother’s basement now and then to LARP as a nazi to an audience of dozens. Who cares? Is this the subject of a book?

    And Spencer seems to have stalled. I suppose his motto is, “Any press is good press!”, though he’s been trying to build more of an online presence in the last year or two. He doesn’t seem to have the balls to go the Rockwell route, but he’s perfect for it. He should be talking about the Jews, and connecting the dots to all the things that are pissing off young people, like online censorship, the diversity push and blackening of white characters on film and in video games, and all the organizations and programs promoting white dispossession through mass immigration (like the recent Ireland: 2040 campaign). He should be acting the court jester, ridiculing the insanity pumped out daily by the left, like quoting headlines from major publications about breast-feeding transsexuals. Instead he’s off in the weeds of the white ethnostate, when he should be simply pointing out that none of the above were problems for our grandparents who effectively lived in one.

    Also, this Vegas lad spent six years on this? Jesus. If that was the product of six years of my life, I’d be seriously questioning my life choices.

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