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Counter-Currents Radio Podcast No. 222
Kievsky on White People with a Future

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Prospering in a declining civilization is necessary for those who wish to renew it. Greg Johnson talks to Kievsky about more strategies for white people to live well in anti-white America.

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  1. Posted September 13, 2018 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Those of you with children would do well to check out the Robinson Curriculum. It aligns with the three R’s; reading, writing, and arithmetic. Dr. Robinson’s philosophy is that rigorous math instruction teaches you to think.

  2. Posted September 6, 2018 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    For every white STEM graduate, they can import ten Indians and Chinese to take your place. STEM skills do not translate into political power. You’re off grid? You can grow food? Great, give half of it to these Somalis we just dumped in your lap. If you run away, they will chase you down with diversity. If you’re not in power, you can’t control the borders or do anything else. Laying low doesn’t work if the people in power are determined to destroy you.

    The one skill that DOES translate into political power is the ability to fight the propaganda war, and white men need to get a lot better at that. In office is not in power. Power comes from controlling public opinion. There is no substitute for winning the propaganda war and taking power. No other tactic or combination of tactics will save the white race.

  3. Troll King
    Posted September 4, 2018 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    I love Kievsky. He always has a fresh perspective. He was large on these websites about ten years ago and then sank into obscurity. Glad to hear from him again.

    I disagree that bright young people should always be pushed in the direction of stem subjects, however. I agree that stem subjects are more practical and will result in better paying jobs for high average to slightly above average iq guys(this is basically the path I took, so no disrespect intended),but for the truly talented, we need to take back the academy and intellectual discourse. Stem workers are basically technicians. The true nobles are the shapers of ideas: your philosophers, historians, and literary critics. We are in the throes of cultural Marxism, not cultural circuit boards. cultural Marxism was created by literary critics and philosophers, right?

    • Justin
      Posted September 5, 2018 at 5:58 am | Permalink

      I agree with not completely vacating the field when it comes to philosophy, history, literature and especially law. The legal industry is absolutely painful to work in the these days, as it’s increasingly coming to be dominated by women, and more and more minorities are being affirmative-actioned into corporate law firms as well where they can advance their agendas, particularly in relation to immigration law.

      But personally I’d think it would be a disaster if WASPs were to abandon the legal system to minorities. Could mean very bad things for white people down the track, given the tribe already has a heavy presence in the industry.

      Additionally, it’s kind of disheartening to get this advice for people like myself who just happen to have more interest and aptitude in these areas, rather than STEM. I guess Kievsky is saying though that it’s best not to take on huge amounts of debt studying these, but rather study something that enables you to make money. One can certainly study philosophy and history on the side, and this might be a better approach for all but those who aspire to a career in academia.

    • Posted September 5, 2018 at 11:21 am | Permalink

      Thank you for your kind comments Troll King.

      One of my arguments is that studying mathematics makes you a better philosopher/historian/thinker in general, the same way that strength training makes you a better wrestler or track and field athlete.

      Math make brain muscle big and strong. Do whatever you want with it. Math doesn’t restrict your options, it expands them.

      • Lexi
        Posted September 5, 2018 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

        Aren’t you married to a judge or som something, Kievski? And yet you claim women don’t value learning. Shame on you!

        I notice you have nothing to say about young men knocking girls up and skipping town. What do you think young Whites think when you bash the mother that has given everything for them, but have nothing to say about the deadbeat Dad they’ve never met?

      • Troll King
        Posted September 5, 2018 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

        I agree. Intellectuals need to be grounded in math and science for its own sake, in addition to not being intimidated intellectually by stem majors. We live in a scientistic society. I had a 5 on the calculus bc ap test in high school, and I always get the brain teaser on derbs monthly diary. This should be a bare minimum for us all!

  4. Lemur
    Posted September 4, 2018 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    Excellent discussion. Kievsky is a very innovative personality. Regular appearances would be welcome.

  5. Troll King
    Posted September 3, 2018 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    How would you guys feel about the value of memorizing poetry for education? Our parents’ generation memorized classic poetry as a part of their curriculum, which created a touchstone for literary judgement and a shared culture. Poetry is very important in this way in China. I’m talking classical poetry, before 1900. Longfellow, the schoolroom poets, Robert Frost, Blake. Not that nonsensical modern garbage. I don’t want kids reciting Howl. Nor adults.

    • Posted September 5, 2018 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

      When I took Russian language they had us memorize long passages from Pushkin and Akhmatova and Yesenin. I also memorized the passage from Paradise Lost when Lucifer woke up on the lake of fire, “Is this the region, the soil, the clime, this the seat we must change for heaven” and so on, to his rallying cry for “what may yet be gained in heaven, what more lost in hell?”

      • Troll
        Posted September 5, 2018 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

        I wonder what is Russian poetry like in terms of rhythm and meter? Is it rhymed, and what are the dominant forms? Is there free verse and when did it arise?

  6. Thomas
    Posted September 3, 2018 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Stimulating discussion, thanks for posting. Would love to hear a dedicated conversation about homeschooling in the near future.

    Also, would endorse strongly believers in the cause to pursue modern equivalent ‘aristocratic games and hobbies’ in their free time, especially with men of like mind if possible.

    • Vagrant Rightist
      Posted September 4, 2018 at 5:02 am | Permalink

      We talk about ‘larping’….

      There isn’t a lack of whites with leadership skills currently. But virtually every single one of them has been corrupted into serving white genocide or is too afraid to do anything for their own people.

      Well-to-do aristocratic classes in Europe still exist. From my interactions with this group they have zero interest in the well-being of less wealthy and lower class whites, if they ever had to begin with. They are overwhelmingly not custodians of our values in any way today.

      Many of them have become willing dutiful servants of the globalized liberal machine, where they believe their remnant of prestige, wealth and obedience to a power higher than them will spare them the fate of lesser whites. There were some important historical exceptions to this in England during the war period. But today, this group are part of the problem.

      Although I enjoy the rhetoric we play with on this, I have misgivings about trying to recreate some new kind of historical hierarchy in that way as sometimes proposed on the Right or restore an old one. There is no latent aristocracy, or remnants of one that I am aware of in Western Europe that are fit to fulfill a serious role in a white ethnostate, while the propensity for white elites to turn against other whites is extremely real. And that’s before you even get to Jews marrying to into white elites. This group has to be kept in check as much as the seething masses.

      • Thomas
        Posted September 4, 2018 at 9:38 am | Permalink

        Plenty of room for interpretation, but to clarify, my use of ‘aristocratic games and hobbies’ borrowed from the interview isn’t an endorsement of larpy behaviors or attitudes, or the resurrection of obsolete and failed bloodline aristocracies. Simply saying that men of the cause should attempt to bond socially through activities that are as martial and warriorlike as modern times allow. Strength training, physical challenges, book groups, team sports, shooting range days, exploration of the outdoors, etc. Create circumstances to test yourself and each other, let competition create a hierarchy within your closest affiliations so you may know where you stand and what what these friends and brothers are also capable of.

        • Vagrant Rightist
          Posted September 4, 2018 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

          ok, I don’t disagree it is good for men bond and work together and compete on some kind of functional level. We lack a sense of fraternity if that’s what we are talking about. If this can be cultivated on the Right through such ideas then fine.

    • Hyperborean
      Posted September 4, 2018 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

      I’ve had the good fortune of being raised on a cattle ranch in the Dakotas where my hobbies have always consisted of training horses and cattle dogs, and hunting in the fall.

      I have two son’s of my own now and couldn’t imagine the prospect of raising them in an urban environment. There are so many valuable life skills that you learn growing up on the land that an urban lifestyle robs children of.

      Great podcast, i would love to hear more on this subject.

  7. E
    Posted September 3, 2018 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Getting into IT by learning electric circuits first – no. Just hit Ctrl + Shift + I in Chrome or Firefox and start tinkering. When you have figured out what’s what, get a couple of programming books from Amazon.

    But I agree that electronics, robotics, petroleum engineering – real things in general – are even better career choices than software.

    And in most Western cities it’s hard to find a decent carpenter.

  8. Justin
    Posted September 3, 2018 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    This was a really great discussion, and I’d like to hear more like it, particularly on the idea of leveraging the decline. For a lot of (if not most) white nationalists, the enormity of the task ahead of us is very discouraging, and it would be good to come up with more concrete steps we can take to further the cause in our everyday life. That is, actions which don’t necessarily expose us to the risk of being doxed or fired but which still further the cause in some small way. I’ve taken the advice a previous commenter left, and tried to pick up a few hours of overtime each week, the money from which I use to support sites such as this and Arktos.

    I have only been into white nationalism for a short time (a couple of years, coinciding with the ascendancy of Trump), and while I appreciate a lot of the philosophy and the grand theories, I feel a lot of people in the movement see the destination in the distance but have trouble putting one foot in front of another (beyond redpilling the odd normie here and there).

    It seems that Kievsky would argue that working within the system and trying to effect change from the inside is, in most cases, a fool’s errand. I guess many have tried before…

    • Thomas
      Posted September 3, 2018 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

      Good on you with the overtime contributions. Solid work.

    • Posted September 5, 2018 at 11:23 am | Permalink

      I’m trying to create the conditions to get the next Henry Ford or Nicola Tesla, along the lines of “Boys from Brazil” trying to re-create Hitler. Although my version is more plausible.

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