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Cultural Marxist vs. Material Marxist, Part 3:
Could Bernie Split the American Left?

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The ideal 2020 election scenario is for Bernie Sanders to lose the Democratic primary race, and for it to be black people’s fault.

Say it comes down to Bernie versus the establishment’s chosen Not Bernie™ candidate. Blacks rally around Not Bernie™ — just to be unpleasant — and tilt the nomination in Not Bernie™’s favor. This causes all the Bernie Bros to blackpill on forming a multi-racial communist coalition and so they all decide to become racist Nazis instead. That would be ideal!

But if Bernie’s momentum continues, we might very well be looking at a Trump vs. Sanders general election. That would be interesting because we would have a contest between two candidates who are both hated by the establishment.

Doug Huntington wrote an article for Counter-Currents about the Dirtbag Left called I Listened to Chapo Trap House So You Don’t Have To. It’s a good article. However, I would somewhat disagree with his conclusion. He says the DSA/Dirtbag Left scene and the materialist Left is de-facto controlled opposition, evidenced by the fact that the establishment is not trying to silence them. How revolutionary could Chapo possibly be when they have their book on display at Barnes and Noble?

Here’s the thing. For the time being, the DSA scene is useful to the establishment because it draws kids away from white nationalism. For the time being. As long as Democratic Socialism stays a niche, semi-underground, bougie white thing, it is no threat. However, if class-based material Leftism got too big, or if it threatened to go mainstream, or if socialists started racking up too many upset election wins, I could see the establishment moving in to shut down the DSA-types, or at least the ones that couldn’t be bought off.

In fact, this is already happening. In the last few weeks, Twitter banned Nick Mullen, one of the most popular Dirtbag Left personalities. Also banned was Aimee Terese of the What’s Left podcast. Apparently, she was banned for saying that Elizabeth Warren needed to be beaten — as in beaten in the primary.

Remember that Alex Jones was useful to the establishment until he got too big. He made people suspicious of state power look silly, and he was a useful meme for our elites. Politicians could respond to legitimate concerns with “What is that? Some kind of Alex Jones conspiracy theory?” and then everyone would laugh. But then Alex Jones got too big. He started beating several MSM outlets in viewership and making everyone look bad. People weren’t laughing anymore, so Alex Jones had to go.

It’s one thing to be annoying on Twitter. But the materialist Left isn’t just becoming a thorn in the establishment’s side culturally. They’re also threatening to split from Democratic politics, period.

A few days after Tim Wise’s previously-mentioned meltdown, he had another hissy fit over an Emerson poll that found that only 53% of Bernie supporters said they would “definitely support” the Democratic nominee should Sanders lose. 16% said “definitely not,” and 31% said it would depend on who the eventual nominee was. Only Yang supporters, a large portion of whom are ironic right-wingers, showed less loyalty to the DNC establishment.

There is some speculation within the Dissident Right as to where the next big wave of converts is going to come from. At this point, all the intelligent Proud Boys, YouTube skeptics, Tommytards, and Jordan Peterson fans have defected or are in the process of defecting to the Dissident Right.

So who’s next?

Some people, like Nick Fuentes, believe the focus should remain on the Alt-Lite and normie MAGA types. But there is a faction of the Dissident Right who believe that Bernie Bros should be the next frontier. Richard Spencer — whose new wife is a DSA socialist — recently endorsed Bernie Sanders for president, and TRS’s Fash the Nation has been giving Bernie glowing — no pun intended — coverage lately.

To be honest, I understand why people might think that. These people occasionally say some really interesting things — sometimes ironically, sometimes semi-ironically, and sometimes, in dead seriousness. (Both Menaker and Khachyiyan’s Tweets have since been deleted.)

And some in the Bernie Left have begun to push back against political correctness and visceral anti-whiteness which they see as undermining working-class solidarity:

So, I get it. I get why people wanna go easy on these guys. There is a lot of common ground between the populist Right and the populist Left. We’ve identified a lot of the same problems, and have a lot of the same enemies. Bernie’s supporters tend to be reliably anti-Zionist, and some are even semi-woke on Jews. There’s some high IQ talent in their ranks, and they are big picture thinkers. They use right-wing slang and repurpose right-wing memes. They’ve managed to shake off some of the neoliberal programming, so you would think that shaking off the other half should be a breeze. But I think our people are underestimating just how big that other half is.

You have to wonder if being friendly and hospitable to the Bernie Bros is really the best way to win them over. The Dissident Right won over Proud Boys and Tommytards by exposing how full of shit Gavin McInnes and Tommy Robinson are. We made videos deconstructing Jordan Peterson’s worldview. We won over YouTube skeptics by putting our best minds against theirs. We didn’t just play footsie with them on social media. We went out and started slapping them around.

Here’s the thing. While there may be a lot of overlap between Left and Right populism, the socialists may just as well just say: “Well, if we’re so similar, then why don’t you nationalists come over to our side?”

Now, speaking for myself, for me to even consider becoming DSA, there is a ton of stuff that I know that you would have to debunk. You would have to debunk race realism, the JQ, and you’d have to disprove everything I believe about human nature.

Likewise, while many in the Bernie crowd have rejected some of the neoliberals’ insane bullshit, they still believe different insane bullshit. They’re still race-deniers, they still believe culture is purely a product of economic and material conditions, and they still believe that problems of biology and nature can be solved through wealth redistribution. Hardcore Bernie Bros believe a lot of unbelievably dumb stuff. And when they are right, it’s often for the wrong reasons. Sure, they tend to be anti-Zionists, but only because they oppose all forms of nationalism; not because they know anything about the Talmud. They may be harder to redpill than normies because their heads are so full of ideological gobbledygook and require more deprogramming.

If you want to win over Bernie Bros, then you have to start deconstructing their narratives. You have to go out and put our ideas next to theirs. Unfortunately, a Dissident Right meme war with the DSA/Dirtbag Left is unlikely. Unlike TPUSA and the YouTube Skeptics, the socialist Left is smart enough not to engage with us. They’re never gonna agree to go on the Killstream for some Internet Bloodsports.

You could publicly respond to Leftist public figures. It will most likely get shared on Leftist message boards. If it hits hard or goes viral, said figurehead might be forced to respond. Perhaps they can be provoked into a meme war. Who knows? But joining hands and saying “we think capitalism sucks too!” is not going to be enough to win over committed ideologues.

You might also wonder if Bernie Bros are not better off where they are. Perhaps it’s to the advantage of whites to do as the Jews do: divide our camp and colonize both parties. Perhaps it’s better to have some whites over in the enemy camp sowing discord among their ranks.

A taste of their own medicine, if you will.

 

18 Comments

  1. Triptolemus
    Posted February 17, 2020 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    The Sanders political platform is a pipedream full of contradictions, and it is also inherently anti-white and anti-worker. Read it for yourselves.

    For instance, Sanders is for open borders/sanctuary/asylum while claiming to be pro-worker/small farmer. So how does he appeal to a working class (skilled white tradesmen) concerned with material conditions that largely voted for Trump?

    He is also against the 2nd Amendment and states’ rights, and wants to combat “gentrification” and “segregation” by emptying prisons and filling new mandatory affordable housing units. These stances do not appeal to right-leaning libertarians and independents (also mainly whites) who broke for Trump.

    Bernie himself is a Zionist and proclaimed himself “pro-Israel” at a recent debate. Yet his supporters claim to oppose US military intervention, which always benefits Israel. Sanders’ platform itself is sketchy on details. He only has to appeal to anti-war progressives relative to the other candidates on offer (besides Gabbard) who are brazen warmongers.

    The 2016 Sanders campaign may have appealed to classical Marxists (insofar as these still exist) but he is not running that campaign this time. He has signed on to all of the cultural communist talking points (including “climate change” which is an unfalsifiable claim used to paralyze and stigmatize whites). In any case, any Sanders supporter who claims to be “materialist” or interested in “class solidarity” is ***insincerely*** using this as a rhetorical tactic, in order to remove race from the debate long enough to convince whites to vote for a “socialist.”

    Candidate Bernie is not a “socialist” or a “democratic socialist” or a “social democrat” or any such thing, but simply a neo-liberal, as neo-liberalism has absorbed/co-opted socialism. To their credit, bonafide communists understand this, although they have not yet managed to make a clear distinction between authentic national liberation and resentment politics. Socialist language is window-dressing for what is in fact a bellicose anti-white, nation-destroying platform.

    So, then, there are a few different categories of Sanders supporters. There are the less intelligent, who really believe he is some kind of socialist, and that his programs will work, and who don’t understand or refuse to address the national question. There are the conniving, mainly of the ethic group which comprises the leadership of leftist political organizations, who know Bernie is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and who circulate the “materialist/class” language as a strategy. And there are former Trump supporters, who understand the national question and who should know better than to support Sanders (now matter how compromised or fake Trump is). There are also those who have renounced electoral politics altogether, but who still cannot escape its effects.

  2. Alexandra O
    Posted February 17, 2020 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I just learned last night that Pete Buttigieg’s father, Professor Joseph Buttigieg, was the translator and editor into readable English of Antonio Gramsci’s “Prison Notebooks”, composed from 1926 – 1937, while he was in jail in Mussolini’s Italy. I know little about Marxism, except its main points — with which I disagree — so it was a shocker for me to see how closely Mayor Pete is entwined with the subject. He was 10 when his father began the project that he worked on for a further 10 or more years, so surely the child was influenced. Does anyone have comments on this (though I realize I may be off-subject here), because it was something I had never heard before, and I wonder if it is being suppressed by the Democrats (though secretly cheered) and/or by the media.

  3. Richard
    Posted February 16, 2020 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    If you’re registered to vote in a deep blue state, I suggest voting for Bob Whitaker of the American Eagle Party — or some other Third Position candidate who’s values are more supportive of National Populism and/or Constitutionism.

    The ideologies of grave importance include the following:
    Nationalism
    Traditionalism
    Christianity (not Judeo-Christianity, which is an oxymoron, but rather authentic Christianity such as Eastern Orthodoxy)
    Ethnonationalism and Ethnocentrism (Ethnic European Heritage)

    Things are getting bad and they’re only going to get worse. Traditionalism is under attack like never seen before in the West, and another prominent figure has been silenced as British Intelligence has barred Franklin Graham, the son of the Billy Graham, from speaking anywhere in Great Britain. Billy was barred because he’s a fervent advocatie for authentic Christian values as opposed to Cultural Marxist degeneracy.

    The Religion of Hatred

    “I don’t like writing this kind of post, but I feel I must if for no other reason than to personally work through the ever-escalating anti-Christian sentiments and developments taking place in the West.

    Alphabet people in the UK have effectively barred Franklin Graham, the son of the Billy Graham, from speaking anywhere in Great Britain. Their reason for pressuring the venues to drop Graham was succinct, simple, and straightforward – Frank Graham preaches hate. Yes, that’s right. Franklin Graham’s adherence to and promulgation of Christian morality amounts to hate in the contemporary UK. Full stop. End of story.”

    https://www.francisberger.com/bergers-blog/the-religion-of-hatred#comments

  4. Guy Frowney
    Posted February 16, 2020 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    I agree with the author of this article on the impossibility of forging alliances with Dirtbag Leftists/Bernie Bros. The fact that they’re opposed to cultural Marxism/political correctness doesn’t make them compatible with white nationalism. If anything, their strict adherence to undistilled class-focused Marxism makes them the heirs to the Communists who did battle with nationalists on the streets of many European countries during the first half of the 20th century.

    As far as the self-appointed thought leaders of what’s left of the alt-right cozying up to these people, it’s obviously a business decision. They’re banking on a reinvigorated alt-right swelling with disillusioned middle- and upper-class ex-Communists with nowhere else to turn after Bernie fails to live up to their lofty expectations, and they want to be ready to sell them false hope (and a paywall or two) when they arrive.

  5. nineofclubs
    Posted February 16, 2020 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Here’s the thing. While there may be a lot of overlap between Left and Right populism, the socialists may just as well just say: “Well, if we’re so similar, then why don’t you nationalists come over to our side?”

    Now, speaking for myself, for me to even consider becoming DSA, there is a ton of stuff that I know that you would have to debunk. You would have to debunk race realism, the JQ, and you’d have to disprove everything I believe about human nature.

    I don’t know what kind of rules the DSA has about what people must believe to join, but it seems to me that your beliefs aren’t that far off what some socialists already think.

    Race realism – No socialist will talk about the superiority of one race over another. That’s fair enough because superiority is subjective. Superior in intellect, or basketball, or art, or long-distance running? But what right-wingers call racial separatism isn’t that far off national liberation theory. Basically each nation deserves a homeland and autonomy. National liberation theory is rejected (as you’d expect) by the liberal globalist left, but many genuine socialists support it.

    The JQ – the article mentions that some of the Dirtbag Left are already semi-woke on the JQ. In the UK and Australia, hostility to Zionism is common on the left. The first time I ever heard the US referred to (disparagingly) as the Jew.S.A was from a committee member of the former Socialist Party of Australia.

    Human nature – if you believe it’s fine for speculators to make fortunes while their employees – their national kin – struggle to make ends meet, that will be an unpopular position in any socialist group. But I don’t think you believe that. I don’t think half of the people reading this believe that. In my experience, there is no single position on human nature to which all socialists agree.

    There’s a view out there that political positions are like package deals. You have to take a side and accept all of the detailed policy that (allegedly) goes with that side. That’s nonsense. The whole Dissident Right is premised on the idea that the old Conservative Right and the NeoCon Right were deficient, at least in some ways. Socialism is already wildly fractured. There are more variants than I’ve had hot breakfasts. So help build a new variant.. a reborn version of an older socialism that was national and illiberal.

    Channel your inner Huey Long.

    .

  6. Randy
    Posted February 15, 2020 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    No need to sow discord. That’s the jew’s game, and they are good at it, as befits the Synagogue of Lies. What we could sow is sympathy for whites. The thing the Bernie left will never go for is talking trash about the other races, other than to say, perhaps, that whites and blacks are never going to make peace because blacks do not want peace, they want revenge.

  7. Vegetius
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Bernie is already splitting what passes for a left in America from left-center neoliberalism.

    Worrying about where recruits may or may not come from is less important than doing everything possible to wedge the leftists away from the neoliberals while also provoking expressions of white hatred in all parts of the left-center coalition.

    If Bernie goes into the convention leading on delegates but ends up being denied the nomination there will be a collapse of support on the part of young whites.

    Some will move further left, others will remain in the mainstream but grow increasingly alienated from it, others will begin casting about for something new, and some will try to drop out altogether. In time, these last two are most likely to become interested in real political dissidence.

  8. John Wilkinson
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I 100% agree with the concept that having Bernie get the Dem nomination will create the most fascinating political landscape since the Civil War….and having a Trump landslide against Bernie will be a crushing blow to the left.
    *I cannot envision a scenario where it is even possible for Bernie Sanders to win against Trump*
    I challenge someone to make an argument that will change my mind on that. I think one thing that defines the political center is an aversion to radical leftism, particularly economic. You’ll see a whole lot more people in the center who claim to be “socially liberal but economically conservative” than the other way around. The specter of the economy grinding to a halt because of Bernie’s policies will scare the bejesus out of a lot of people.
    This doesn’t mean that I like the fact that Trump’s neo-con lite politics will win the day. I freely admit that this is just another “lesser of two evils” scenario. It will suck that he will get affirmation from the electorate from the landslide and dig in his heels with what he’s been doing. It will also send the wrong message to the GOP that their boiler plate schemes have broad approval. They don’t. They are just, again, a little less evil than what Bernie offers, and people will hold their nose and vote for it.

    • Tykebomb
      Posted February 14, 2020 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

      I have a few thoughts on the chance of winning. 75 percent of the Democrat party just wants to beat Trump. Right now that means imagining who gets the independent vote. Once Bernie gets the nomination he combines his 25 percent with the rest of the party.

      Blacks either vote Democrat or don’t vote at all. They have a voice in the primaries, but in a general they will climb onto the buses and vote as ordered by their DNC financed pastors. Hispanics and Asians are equally as reliable but less in number. The propaganda machines drove black women out in force in 2018, there’s more money now.

      Bloomberg hates Trump more than he hates Bernie. Bloomberg has shown a disturbing ability to rally big money donors. When, if, he loses than he will still be a major force with A LOT of money.

      Trump drives suburban white women insane. They especially hate his personality.

      Hillary won the popular vote, she just missed a few thousand votes in the Rust Belt. Bernie has actual working class support in those states. They have also only gotten browner.

      Bernie can win easily. This is the demographic age and the Democrat party has the ever growing advantage.

      • John Wilkinson
        Posted February 15, 2020 at 9:39 am | Permalink

        The center is what matters.

        There are quite a few minority people, and more importantly, a lot of white centrists, who see the economy doing well and nothing else really changing one way or another for good or bad in their lives (a lot of centrists don’t really care about social justice warrior issues nor do they care if whites are being marginalized until it directly affects them)

        Bill Clinton famously said “it’s the economy, stupid”. Though for me it is much more than that, unfortunately the majority of the electorate does vote primarily with their pocket books.

        So I don’t think that energized democrats are going to overcome the hurdle of convincing regular and apolitical folks who do vote that Trump is still literally Hitler (that has worn off and has no teeth anymore), so lots of them who didn’t vote for him last time will vote for him this time.

    • Amoux
      Posted February 14, 2020 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

      ….and having a Trump landslide against Bernie will be a crushing blow to the left.

      This would be glorious and it’s very plausible.

  9. Doug Huntington
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the shout out. I largely agree with your analysis. I was wondering when you were going to bring up cumtown, which can be quite hilarious at times, and you did mention Nick Mullen. Great article.

  10. Mac
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    “They may be harder to redpill than normies because their heads are so full of ideological gobbledygook and require more deprogramming.”

    Some of them will naturally hit the ideological ceiling of class politics when pattern recognition becomes too much to ignore. But I’d wager that, for most of them, their ideology isn’t a means to an end but a pseudo religious belief system to follow. They soak up the programming for the purpose of protecting themselves from the cognitive dissonance that naturally comes with having such a arbitrarily simplistic worldview. They feel a sense of moral righteousness for their strict adherence to their ideology & view anyone who doesn’t share their beliefs as pure evil that must be destroyed or ignorant of the truth whose ideological soul can yet be saved.

    Past a certain threshold of reason & maturity its a willfully ignorant worldview that uses motivated reasoning & lying by omission to prop itself up. Intelligent people who cling to it despite knowing its limitations almost always have ulterior motives, are more than likely dishonest & should always be viewed with suspicion. I understand that they haven’t gotten collectively blackpilled like libertarians have but history has shown that these types of people will watch multiple catastrophic failures as a result of their ideas & march on as if it never happened. I wonder just how many of them are true believers versus those that have been sucked up in the Bernie hype & will abandon the movement after he’s gone. Only time will tell.

    In any case I fully support them sewing chaos among our enemies & rightfully critiquing certain self defeating cuckservative dogmas. I’m not against mutually supporting a decent politician with them either, in theory of course since that’s an extremely unlikely event. But that’s where my support ends, there’s no way I’d ever be comfortable forming a coalition with them beyond that, even with the supposedly based ones. A based Bernie Bro is the white nationalist equivalent of what a based black guy is to conservatives, they’ll still side against you when it comes down to it. At best they exist to sell dreams of unity to the gullible (often quite literally in the case of based blacks) & at worst they’re a siren call that leads to imprisonment in a gulag. All they see us as is a tool to get their implicitly anti white candidate in office & are weaponizing the disappointing Trump presidency for that purpose, don’t be their useful idiot.

  11. c matt
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    The FTN guys were not so much giving Bernie glowing coverage as they were noting that Bernie Bros are in a similar situation as the DR was with Trump in 2016. They see a Bernie presidency as a redpill for the BBs when the total and inevitable disappointment with a Bernie presidency kicks in – whether bc Berine cucks or bc he is completely hemmed in by TPTB.

  12. HamburgerToday
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    At some point Mr. LeBlanc seemed to let the Melaninnies out the analysis. As you might recall, in the post-2016 electoral analysis the DNC noticed that Blacks didn’t come out for the Anointed One quite as expected. I suspect that will also happen with (((Bernie Sanders))) and then the rank-and-file of Bernie Bros might be up for grabs. Suddenly discovering that Blacks already have their socialist utopia in the form of welfare, affirmative action and ‘grievance capital’ may set the stage for a reassessment of the ‘multi-racial’ nature of their ‘coalition’.

    The Dissident Right doesn’t really need to do much to court the Dirtbag Left, because if Bernie is not the nominee they’re going to be bereft and ready for a message of racial separatism.

    • Vegetius
      Posted February 14, 2020 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

      I don’t think the failure of Sanders’ candidacy will make anyone ready to hear about racial separatism (or the JQ) in the immediate aftermath and/or without a lot of preparation.

      What they will be ready to hear are arguments about immigration and its impact on wages (old lore now forgotten by the contemporary left), immigration and its impact on our ecology (more old lore), and a strong anti-interventionist message that will dovetail with extant anti-Zionism by highlighting the role of Israel in creating waves of refugees flooding the west.

    • A. Nailer
      Posted February 14, 2020 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

      Let’s hope. But something tells me that the DBag-Left’s social programming vis-a-vis the Tabula Rasa fairy tale is stronger than Bernie going 0-2. His near certain 2nd primary loss will help but it’s only going blow halfway through the mountain.

  13. A. Nailer
    Posted February 14, 2020 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Tactical as hell. I’ve been (first) subliminally and (now) consciously waiting for this energy on the Right since the 80s. I love it.

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