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American Renaissance Conference Canceled Second Year Running

Jared Taylor at a press conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, Monday, January 31, 2011

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I just received the following email. But first, a few comments.

(1) Mike Polignano and I were planning to be at the conference to sell books, network, and hear Jonathan Bowden speak. Because the conference is canceled, we will not be flying to Charlotte.

Although we had initially considered going even if the conference were canceled, there is no time to organize an alternate meeting at another location and get everybody else on board. Besides, we do not want to spend one cent in Charlotte or encourage anybody else to do so either.

(2) I hope Jared Taylor will not file suit. If he did, any judge would almost certainly give the opposing counsel broad latitude in the “discovery” process, which means that AR’s subscriber and donor records, and even the IP addresses of the people who post comments on their website, could fall into the hands of our enemies. It is simply naive to think that AR can get justice in the court system.

(3) It is unfortunate, but I think it highly unlikely that AR will be able to put on another conference. How many people are likely to be willing to set aside the time, make the plans, and shell out the money for the second or third time with the prospect of another cancellation hanging over their heads?

(4) One cannot reform or work within a system that will not honor the values of freedom of speech, rule of law, and fair play that it professes to hold dear. This has the potential to be a clarifying and polarizing moment for White Nationalists. Events seem to be arguing against the conservatives and “mainstreamers” who would reform this system and in favor of those who wish to wash their hands of it and instead focus their time, talents, and limited resources on creating an alternative. That’s what Counter-Currents is here for.

(5) I hold Jared Taylor in the highest esteem. He is a brilliant thinker, writer, and speaker. He is a highly competent organizer. He is rational, broad-minded, decent, and honorable. He played his hand as well as anyone could. He has my best wishes in what must be a time of anger, bitter disappointment, and disillusionment.

Dear Conference Registrant,

I am very sorry to inform you that the AR conference scheduled for February 4 through 6 must be canceled. Despite strong assurances that it would not submit to pressure, the hotel with which we had initially contracted has broken its contract with us. We have investigated many possible alternative venues but have not been able to find one.

There is evidence that at least one elected Charlotte official was working behind the scenes to deny us a venue, and our legal counsel is looking into grounds for action against the city.

We are deeply sorry for the great inconvenience this causes you, and I apologize to you personally. As the head of the publication that organized this conference, the fault is entirely mine.

At your instruction we will, of course, refund all registrations and banquet fees.

Many of you will have bought non-refundable air tickets. Generally, the amount spent on such tickets can, for a period of a year, be used to buy a different ticket on the same airline. However, most airlines then deduct $150 from the amount that can be spent to buy the new ticket. If you bought a non-refundable ticket, please send us proof of purchase and we will send you a check for $150. We do not want anyone to suffer financial loss because of this cancellation.

We have heard that because of the impending storms, some airlines are offering full refunds on “non-refundable” tickets. This offer may not apply to tickets for February 4, but it may be worth inquiring.

We are considering alternative models for future American Renaissance conferences.

Again, please accept my sincerest apologies. We greatly value your continuing support, and deeply regret that we will not be seeing you on February 4.

Warm regards,
Jared Taylor

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75 Comments

  1. Karsten
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    “I hold Jared Taylor in the highest esteem. He is a brilliant thinker, writer, and speaker. He is a highly competent organizer. He is rational, broad-minded, decent, and honorable. “

    I agree with much of this, but cannot agree with the “competent organizer” part. I realize that armchair quarterbacking is easy, but after having his conference cancelled last year, it is inconceivable that he didn’t have multiple backup plans in place. He had a whole year to think about this.

    • Gerald Martin
      Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

      I agree with Karsten. AR seems to be an almost helpless organization. The only way to describe this is a humiliating defeat for Jared Taylor and the AR way of doing things. And really it’s the second consecutive such defeat, despite Taylor’s happy talk that 2010 was a success, with a little backroom meeting of a fraction of the scheduled speakers and attendees.

      • DS
        Posted February 3, 2011 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

        David Yeagley, one of the scheduled speakers, has this to say (comment #6):

        http://www.badeagle.com/2011/01/31/american-renaissance-violence-and-lies/

        David Yeagley // Feb 1, 2011 at 11:03 am

        American Renaissance is a mild-mannered group. That are not political activists. They hold no rallies, street protests, picketing, or any such coercive tactics. They don’t do this sort of thing. It’s just a quiet “think tank,” small in number, with small funding.

        It is their message which “terrifies” the lying opposition.

        Last year, when the conference was cancelled due to death threats against hotel employees–threats from the opposition, mind you, there were a couple of attorney groups interested in making a case. But they were not serious. And they abandoned the matter.

        As a free enterprise business, a competitive business, the practice of law involves economic considerations primarily. The chance for justice is entirely circumstancial.

        The costs of a suit for American Renaissance is prohibitive. Last year, I did write Eric Holder about the incident, (also the ACLU), and sent a copy of the letter to my senator, Tom Coburn. Of course, Holder’s office did not even acknowledge the letter. Why would they? The DOJ is racist. Seven months later, I did hear personally from Sen. Coburn, who agreed it was a stark violation of First Amendment rights. I was later contacted by his office, and I asked for action to be taken, only to be told that none could be taken. They merely hoped Eric Holder would take action.

        Muslims murderers can meet, and encourage murder. White people can’t meet to talk about their challenges. Liberals can’t, conservatives can’t. The enemies of America can, the patriots can’t. That’s the law of the land.

  2. Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Greg, Jared should aggressively sue the hotel for actual damages resulting from its breach of contract. Worrying about having to give up information about AmRen supporters in the discovery process is unfounded. It’s immaterial to whether the contract was broken without due cause. Jared says he has his attorney looking into suing the city which is another matter altogether. Still, with ether approach worrying about the discovery process is irrational and irrelevant..

    Your #( 2) sounds strangely similar to Mr. Covington’s excuse for not defending ‘Williams v. Covington.’ Remember his writing the following, here?: http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/03/08/re-covington-an-apology/comment-page-1/#comments

    “What we have to avoid here is what is called subpoena duces tecum, an order from a local judge in the county where I physically reside who can send armed goons to my door. Subpoena duces tecum commands me to appear in court and hand over all kinds of financial records, personal documents, the Party mailing list, the title to my 11-year old car (which I cannot and must not lose), and possibly my computer hard drive as well…”

    The hypocrite didn’t have any problem with the dread “discovery process” or ‘subpoena duces tecum’ when he filed a libel action against me and Ben Klassen in 1989. He had to drop that frivolous action when he realized his named co-defendants would use truth as our defense against his claim of defamation. When I sued Covington in a personal libel action in 1996 I had no worries that the National Alliance would have to give up proprietary information about its supporters in the “discovery process” because the NA was not a party to the personal lawsuit between the one plaintiff and one defendant. This was contrary to defendant’s repeated hue and cry about the “National Alliance lawsuit.” He couldn’t defend because his malicious smears of me were entirely false. I prevailed. The system worked and showed there are limits to “free speech.”

    Our side should use the justice system to our advantage, offensively, rather than have us always sitting in the defendant’s box when we are in a courtroom. I sued the New York Times Co., Inc., for libel and didn’t worry about the discovery process. I sued a Negro Sheriff for false arrest and didn’t worry about the discovery process. I sued the State of North Carolina in federal court for violating my civil rights and watched the Attorney General , later to be Governor, squirm like a worm on a fishook. All those defendants squirmed as defendants will do when they are guilty. After a while the establishment left me alone because they knew if they violated my rights I’d drag them into a courtroom and make them squirm.

    With all the lawyers who go to these AmRen conferences there ought to be a couple with the backbone to stand up to the guilty parties who queered this gathering. The statutes are ours — use ‘em or lose ‘em.

    I was looking forward to meeting you and Mike and other C-C supporter in Charlotte. We’ll do it some other time.

    • Junghans
      Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

      How correct you are Will. We have to play by the current rules of the game, and use ‘em or lose ‘em, is a fact of political and intellectual life nowadays. Why there is no White Legal Defense organization active today is something that I’ll never understand. Certainly, the opposition must be giddy about the fact. While dining with Edgar Steele and others, years ago, I queried him on this glaring void. For reasons not explained, he scoffed at the possibilities and effectiveness of such an organization. His attitude, coming from a racially aware attorney, rather mystified me. Now he is unfortunately suffering the consequences of the lack of just such a legal protective organization. Litigation is not pleasant for most of us, but in life, there is a time and place for everything, eventually. This is the nature of this part of the struggle, because at some point, virtually every activist gets drug into this legal maelstrom, like it or not.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted February 8, 2011 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

        Junghans mkes some excellent points, particularly in the need for intelligent, strategic organizational development. His comment struck a particular nerve with the issue of Edgar steele, and I know a little bit about this.

        Junghans wrote:

        How correct you are Will. We have to play by the current rules of the game, and use ‘em or lose ‘em, is a fact of political and intellectual life nowadays. Why there is no White Legal Defense organization active today is something that I’ll never understand. Certainly, the opposition must be giddy about the fact.

        In reply, the legal system is the focus of political power in this country, as we see the meme “a nationa of laws, and not men,” hammered into us from childhood.

        Why we don’t meet their legal forces with ours is an issue that speaks to our organizational shortcomings, and that takes us to Edgar Steele.

        Junghans wrote:

        While dining with Edgar Steele and others, years ago, I queried him on this glaring void. For reasons not explained, he scoffed at the possibilities and effectiveness of such an organization. His attitude, coming from a racially aware attorney, rather mystified me. Now he is unfortunately suffering the consequences of the lack of just such a legal protective organization.

        In reply, Edgar was being generous.

        He had been asked for years, by the many nominal White Nationalists he had met, particularly at Aryanfests, why he did not start sych an organization for us.

        He did, informally, putting out a call for financial support that could not have been unheard.

        He received a total that was less than my old office spent on coffee and doughnuts in a month.

        That is the measure of how seriously those who claimed to be hard-core White Nationalists take this issue.

        In short, far too many of them seemed to be trapped in the adolescent phase of oppositional defiance; angry, but seeing themselves as incapable of doing better, and this, being better.

        Junghans wrote:

        Litigation is not pleasant for most of us, but in life, there is a time and place for everything, eventually. This is the nature of this part of the struggle, because at some point, virtually every activist gets drug into this legal maelstrom, like it or not.

        In reply, litigation requires preparation; intelligent, focused, disciplined and expensive preparation.

        The old Civil Rights marchers were schooled in this intensively; “You go HERE, you stand HERE, you say THIS, we’ll have the reporters HERE, you drss this way, and THIS is the business card of the lawyer we use. He will be waiting to bail you out if you get arrested.”

        We won’t worry about who their trainers were.

        We need to develop our own teachers, and our own trainers.

        Remember, they could say what they were told to say, and it was “protected by the Constitution,” and repeated loudly and often – a politically effective, consistent message.

        We do not have this luxury.

        Terrible Tommy Metzger said, “You only have the rights you can enforce.” I suspect he learned that lesson the very hard way.

        We must exercise our rights intelligently, so we can enforce them legally.

        We can learn from this.

  3. Larry
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    A few thoughts:
    1) Why on earth did Jared Taylor choose to hold the conference in Charlotte? Why not choose a city with a small non-white population, far-away from ARA types, and with plenty of lodging and conference halls? There are plenty of options – Branson, MO; Pigeon Forge, TN; Panama City, FL; etc. Or, for that matter, just hold the conference at an unannounced location, have everyone make their own lodging arrangements, and meet in parking lot so buses can take everyone to the conference location.
    2) Jared Taylor should sue. He should sue the mayor of Charlotte for violating his constitutional rights and for tortious interference with a contract and he should sue the hotel for breach of contract. AmRen’s list of subscribers or any other type of information is entirely irrelevant and is not subject to discovery. If a judge compels discovery, Taylor can just refuse and appeal the order after his case is dismissed or just voluntarily dismiss the case.

    • ben tillman
      Posted February 2, 2011 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

      Right — there is no reason for AmRen to be intimidated by discovery, and it should pursue legal action to vindicate its rights under tort law and federal civil rights law. However, I might point out that there might not be a breach of contract; I saw it reported somewhere that the contract contained a cancellation clause that allowed the hotel to pay liquidated damages if it wanted out.

  4. Fourmyle of Ceres
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Greg Johnson wrote:

    (4) One cannot reform or work within a system that will not honor the values of freedom of speech, rule of law, and fair play that it professes to hold dear. This has the potential to be a clarifying and polarizing moment for White Nationalists. Events seem to be arguing against the conservatives and “mainstreamers” who would reform this system and in favor of those who wish to wash their hands of it and instead focus their time, talents, and limited resources on creating an alternative. That’s what Counter-Currents is here for.

    In reply, this is the comment that is particularly worthy of further discussion, at it directly addresses the difference between the metapolitical project, and the flaws of those who would try to create of our efforts a group of well-intentioned geldings, like the BNP.

    In this, Covington agains demonstrates what must be the most astute prescience, when he said:

    “Listen, we will be allowed to do everything BUT politically organize along racial lines.”

    Looking at what happened to the BNP, can there be any doubt that the “paste-jewel of middle-class respectability” simply reduces us to the ineffectiveness of Charlie Brown always missing the football, as Lucy always removes the opportunity to be successful away.

    And that is the perfect metaphor for conservatism, and the metapolitical project.

    On the other hand, the Idea that we convey is so powerful, it can not be allowed by the status quo to gain any sort of organizational headway whatsoever.

    We can learn from this.

  5. Jon Anon
    Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Jared Taylor accepts full responsibility, but it’s not only his fault. Mr. Taylor did everything he could to keep the conference on; as far as I can tell his “supporters” did nothing but sit around and gripe about how America just ain’t what it used to be.

    Being a patriot doesn’t just mean stockpiling ammunition, gentlemen.

    We still have an opportunity to turn this loss into a victory. Americans in general, even those who despise the notion of a white identity, tend to believe in free speech and freedom to peacefully assemble. Tell the people what happened!

    Last year after the conference was cancelled there was a wave of spite towards the extremists who worked to shut it down. That’s misspent energy – you can’t convince thugs they’re wrong. Hopefully this year everybody will take up the much more constructive action of letting the public know what’s really going on.

    Writers, bloggers, YouTube video producers… Create material for people to circulate, and circulate it. If you don’t have time to write something, circulate others’ material or pull Jared Taylor comment off the AmRen site. (http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2011/01/an_appeal_to_th.php)

    Everybody pitch in. No more nitpicking academic discussions, or moaning about how it won’t do any good. The people need to KNOW that it won’t do any good, and we’ll be that much closer to change, whether that means reforming the system or washing our hands of it entirely.

    • Karsten
      Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

      “as far as I can tell his “supporters” did nothing but sit around and gripe about how America just ain’t what it used to be. “

      I don’t doubt that this is true. On the other hand, that kind of inertia is human nature, and the trick to being an organizer is knowing how to overcome this inertia, how to marshal people’s energies to work on your behalf.

      It’s not a skill that I possess, for example — which is why I wouldn’t dream of trying to organize a conference. I don’t think Taylor can be faulted for a lack of effort. Not at all. But he should be faulted for not having a backup plan. He should have seen the cancellation coming a mile away and expected it, since it happened before.

      That, I think, is one of the key lessons to be learned here — expect the Schlieffen plan to fail, expect to not get to Moscow before winter, and be ready when these disasters occur.

  6. Posted February 1, 2011 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I’ve created a blog on the AmRen fiasco:
    http://amrenwhiteout.wordpress.com/

  7. Posted February 1, 2011 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    “American Renaissance Conference in Limbo: Charlotte City Councilman Patrick Cannon Reportedly Violated Group’s First Amendment Rights”
    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/01/american-renaissance-conference-in.html

    “Terrorist Campaigns against American Renaissance: ‘Whites Have More Freedom of Speech in Black Supremacist Southern Africa than in America’”
    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/01/terrorist-campaigns-against-american.html

    “Black Supremacists Win; American Renaissance Conference is Cancelled … Again”
    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/02/black-supremacists-win-american.html

    “City of Charlotte, NC, to Whites: Drop Dead”
    http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2011/02/city-of-charlotte-nc-to-whites-drop.html

  8. Puma
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    This was all anticipated in the comments last year when the last conference was cancelled and many good suggestions were made. Amren ignored them all and tried to hold the conference in a corporate hotel in a city that’s only 55% White.

    If they had scheduled the conference for a privately owned meeting hall or conference center in an all-White town or city the left would have had to work hard to shut it down. With the economy in such bad shape a small facility wouldn’t be so willing to give up the revenue, especially if they had mostly White clients year round.

    I can only guess at the reasons for attempting to schedule the conference at a big chain hotel. I suspect that the suit and tie factor was key. Jared Taylor is in denial about his organizations status. With his Yale education he thinks he has a right to hold his conferences in the same business class hotels that any liberal or left wing group would use.

    The sort of small meeting hall that wouldn’t cancel the event at the first sign of pressure would be too working class, an Elks Lodge not Bohemian Grove. Jared would feel slightly dirty in such a low rent venue.

    Well, tough luck, Jared. Time to face reality. The enemy wants all Whites dead, they aren’t going to play fair and let you play pretend that you’re part of the establishment entitled to all the perks and privileges to which you’ve grown accustomed. You’re right down in the trenches with Doctor Pierce and David Duke, and if you give them a chance of stopping you they will.

    Next time contract with an independent White man, not a chain subject to pressure from your and our real enemy – International Jewry.

  9. Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I know it is a bit far, but why don’t you come to Paraguay to host your conference ?

  10. WG
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    See?

    This is what happens when you try to “work within the system”.

    This is what happens when you try to “go mainstream”.

    Let this be a lesson for all the naive Mainstreamers and conservative hayseeds out there who still think working within the system, in a peaceful, democratic manner, is the solution.

    Humiliation after humiliation, it never ends.

    Wake up, White man.

    • Posted February 3, 2011 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

      Whether this episode will end in defeat and humiliation depends on what Taylor wants to do and whether he can muster the necessary resources and assistance to prevail. Sometimes you have to fight for your rights. With money and lawyers and stubborn persistence it is possible to change many things.

  11. Ole Johansen
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    With regard to Mr. Williams writing about some lawyers with backbone in the”movement”.
    We had one,I suppose most of you know who I mean?
    Yes,I thinking about Mr.Edgar Steele.
    Have we all done the outmost we could do to help this courageous man?
    I haven’t seen all that much writings about his case on White/Right “mainstream” websites.
    Why not?
    In any case,here is the website to go to:

    http://www.free-edgar-steele.com/

    • Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

      What else do you want to do to help Steele? If he’s going to pursue the frame-up defense he just needs to get a forensic audio expert, which won’t cost much. I wrote a letter to Steele on Jim Giles’ behalf several months ago advising him of this. If it’s true as Mrs. Steele says that the fraud is so bad that an amateur can hear the editing, then he won’t even need a top-notch expert. He should get off very easily if the facts are as his supporters say.

      • Ole Johansen
        Posted February 3, 2011 at 7:59 am | Permalink

        I have sent them money,can’t do much else from Norway.
        I don’t think the approach you seem to prefer,according to your website,is going to bring us any progress either.

        • Greg Johnson
          Posted February 3, 2011 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

          AmRen does not need donations. According to the forms they file with the IRS, which the public can view (the last one I viewed was for 2008), they had stacks of money, hundreds of thousands of dollars in the bank. They also received a five figure cancellation penalty from the hotel in Charlotte, and similar cancellation penalties from FOUR hotels last year. Just for getting their conferences canceled, AmRen has made in the neighborhood of $100,000. They are surely the best funded WN organization in the US. Their only problem is figuring out what to do with the money.

          • Ole Johansen
            Posted February 3, 2011 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

            I’m afraid it’s a misunderstanding here on your part,Mr.Johnson.
            The donations I sent was to help Mr.Steele as an answer to Hadding’s question.

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

            I stand corrected. The way the comments are displayed on the WordPress dashbord did not make it clear to whom you were replying. Thanks for the clarification.

        • Posted February 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

          Ole, you mean that telling the truth is not a good approach?

          • Ole Johansen
            Posted February 4, 2011 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

            No,it’s not.I think it’s a place and time for everything.
            Over here in Europe people are arrested because they speak the truth.Judges have said in courtrooms,truth is no excuse.
            Remember,smartness above anything.
            Please don’t misunderstand,I have read(still do)much revisionist
            writings.

          • Posted February 4, 2011 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

            If you don’t have the truth then you don’t have much.

          • Fourmyle of Ceres
            Posted February 4, 2011 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

            This little subdialogue between Mr. Johnson and Mr. Hadding is useful for dealing with the situation involving Edgar Steele as an analogy for AmRen’s possible use of the courts to seek damages.

            Anyone who thinks this is possible has little experience indeed with the practice of law.

            If the Steele Solution was as easy as hiring an expert witness to undermine the credibility of the tapes, then, say, $25,000 would be enough to virtually guarantee Edgar’s freedom.

            But, under the rules of evidence, the rules of procedure, prosecutorial and judicial discretion in practice, being “right,” is no guarantee of freedom.

            Taylor could spend tens of thousands of dollars to go to court. He would also spend time he could spend building AmRen to be a more effective tool.

            The larger issue is how real power works in the racial debate.

            Again, Am Ren lost.

            AmRen has always provided what I call a “safe opposition.” Carefully remaining within the lines drawn by others, AmRen will always act for potential White Nationalists as a lightning rod.

            AmRen will act as a harmless diversion, avoiding all issues of Jewish definition and control of the race issue, and avoiding the creation of effective responses to the de facto genocide of the White Race.

            This does not mean that AmRen is not without its uses. Acting as a kind of think tank, addressing racial issues in currently acceptable terms, they have the same role to play for us that the Heritage Foundation did for the Conservatives.

            We should not confuse the Heritage Foundation with the Republican Party, or even the Tea Party. It is a think tank designed to deliver intellectual ammunition needed to help frame the developing debate to our advantage.

            The same is true for AmRen.

            And the analogy to Edgar Steele’s situation now is more obvious, with one exception:

            AmRen is generously funded, and can afford effective litigation, when it suits the strategic purposes of AmRen, define those how you will.

            Edgar Steele’s defense is only nominally funded, and that says more about this “Movement” than I feel comfortable thinking about.

            Now, what this may become – that is another story.

            And, Hadding’s “truth” has one tremendous flaw in it.

            “Truth” must be expressed to be effective, and you do have a right to freedom of expression; why, the Constititution/Bill of Rights even says so.

            It’s the EFFECTIVE expression of “Truth” we need concern ourselves with.

            “Truth,” in the legal system, is shaped by rules of evidence, rules of procedure, laws, opinions, and prosecutorial and judicial discretion.

            As Tom Metzger said, “You only have the rights you can enforce.”

            This is why focusing on the metapolitical project is of such crucial importance.

            Otherwise, we fall into the trap of playing THEIR Game by THEIR Rules, and we end up like Charlie Brown, always missing the football, and thus, the point of the exercise.

            And the point of our exercise is…?

            If you can not define the point of our exercise in one short sentence, you will never develop an effective political counterpoint to the status quo, and the policies and practices of White Genocide will continue apace.

            Hence, the incredible importance of the metapolitical project, where we consciously create a truth we can all believe in.

            We, and all of our friends and associates, who don’t believe us, or believe in our Cause.

            An effective “Truth” is an enforceable “Truth.”

            Taylor doesn’t have it, Steele doesn’t have it, Matt Hale doesn’t have it, The Order didn’t have it, the list goes on.

            Pierce tried with “Our Cause,” and received so much acclaim that he worked to define the foundation of a new religion for our Race.

            Pierce’s “Truth” was not enforceable, but that might be a challenge worthy of his – and our – posterity.

            We can learn from this.

          • Posted February 4, 2011 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

            You are quite the defeatist. You would have predicted convictions across the board in the Fort Smith Sedition Trial, I am sure.

            At least wait until Steele gets a forensic audio expert to say that the surveillance recording is a fraud before you complain that the jury convicted him anyway.

          • Fourmyle of Ceres
            Posted February 4, 2011 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

            Hadding deserves a reply.

            Here it is.

            Hadding wrote:

            You are quite the defeatist. You would have predicted convictions across the board in the Fort Smith Sedition Trial, I am sure.

            In reply, I will return to the topic of this thread, using the metaphor of Charlie Brown, Lucy, and the football.

            HOW DO YOU GO FROM AMREN TO THE FORT SMITH SEDITION TRIAL?

            This is the sort of fantasy thinking that explains why White Nationalists can’t get a break.

            They don’t deserve one, if they play the roles they historically have.

            Hence, the absolute importance of the metapolitical project, where Pierce (and Kevin Alfred Strom) found their greatest accolades, their greatest acceptance, and, it would seem, their greatest effectiveness.

            The correct application of the principles of the metapolitical project led to political effectiveness, the touchstone of all of our endeavors.

            After all, if our guys were “effective,” there would not have been a Fort Smith Sedition Trial.

            There would have been, as David Lane admitted he wanted, small WN businessess, developing into small WN communities of interest, and the WN communities, linking together to fulfill the temporal foundation of the metapolitical project. If memory serves, Robert Mathews actually worked towards a WNist community.

            I am not a “defeatist”; I am very optimistic about the fact that we will succeed, because we MUST succeed.

            In the words of Kevin Alfred Strom:

            “Never Forget, We’re Going To WIN.”

            The mindset of fulfilling a transcendent destiny will insure that the greatest of setbacks will matter no more than a wave that ripples in the Mississippi River.

            By the way, how did the Fort Smith Sedition Trial work out for our side? Remember, think of the opportunity cost involved.

            Ask those who are still alive what they would have done differently.

            Their thinking will be more along the lines proposed by Robert Mathews, David Lane, and Harold Covington, than you might think.

            Hadding wrote:

            At least wait until Steele gets a forensic audio expert to say that the surveillance recording is a fraud before you complain that the jury convicted him anyway.

            In reply, no, I don’t think that will be sufficient to carry the day. Necessary, yes, but not sufficient.

            If it was, surely someone could have scraped together the money needed for the expert, the expert would have delivered his testimony, and the Court would have let Steele go.

            No.

            The Rules of Procedure, the Rules of Evidence, prosecutorial and judicial discretion all have important roles to play in the situation Steele is facing.

            The metapolitical focus, in support of building the foundation of the metapolitical project, is where we should place our efforts.

            After all, with AmRen oh for two, a shrewd and suspicious man might think AmRen, and the political opposition in North Carolina, are all engaged in political kabuki.

            We can learn from this.

          • Ole Johansen
            Posted February 5, 2011 at 11:55 am | Permalink

            Sorry,but this is the Orwellian state of mind we have to relate to.

  12. Posted February 2, 2011 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    If Taylor were a bit less hoidy-toidy he could have his meetings on a supporter’s farm, either in a barn or a big tent. Maybe Erich Gliebe would rent out the meeting hall that Dr. Pierce had built before he died; I doubt that Gliebe is using it. There is a way to do this without relying on hotels.

    Yes I think that fear of discovery is a bad reason to refrain from suing, although there may be other reasons not to do it. What is so controversial about AR? It’s hardly more radical than the GOP.

  13. Sam Davidson
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    “This has the potential to be a clarifying and polarizing moment for White Nationalists. Events seem to be arguing against the conservatives and “mainstreamers” who would reform this system and in favor of those who wish to wash their hands of it and instead focus their time, talents, and limited resources on creating an alternative. “

    The proof of this was given back in the ’60s and ’70s. Forced integration and forced busing were all wildly unpopular – but they happened anyway. Women have a right to an abortion because of the implicit “right to privacy” but business owners do not have the right to choose their employees or customers “based upon race”. (Or in a way that could possibly be a proxy, such as IQ tests. This is illegal.) These examples are all there. One shouldn’t spin our repression as if it’s something that just happened in 2011.

    I wish Jared Taylor the best in his efforts to highlight racial differences but his Jewish associations have always puzzled me, especially since Jews have played a large role in trying to deny him freedom of speech and their intolerance of discussing the role of the Jewish community in our racial decline. (I.e. Michael Hart’s obscenity-laced outburst at the 2006 conference against David Duke, who was speaking quite tamely…)

    See here:
    http://www.amren.com/ar/2008/04/index.html (2008 conference and JDO)
    http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011/01/24/1833271/militant-jewish-group-seeks-to.html

  14. Patrick
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    The most obvious option for a backup venue would have been in the White suburbs in Charlotte in a VFW hall or a firehouse.

    How about holding the conference next year in lily White Vermont in a VFW Hall or a firehouse. The local Native Born White American in Vermont is way more conservative than the power elites in the State. Try Southern Vermont just across the border from Pistol New York…..Norman Rockwell’s and Grandma Moses’ hometown. Vermont would be an interesting place to have because the liberal political elites live in Vermont precisely to avoid all the post-1965 high fertility darkies. Where would Howard Dean and his wife run to then?

    I can’t remember the name of that city in Southern Vermont even though I was there this past summer. There is a very nice hotel downtown. Mount Snow has very nice accommodations also .

  15. Patrick
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Bennington Vermont. It is an overwhelmingly majority conservative working class Native Born White American community…it is in Norman-Rockwell country-Grandma Moses country.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:52 am | Permalink

      Wasn’t Grandma Moses a black folk artist?

      • Junghans
        Posted February 8, 2011 at 10:21 am | Permalink

        As I recall, Grandma Moses was an elderly White lady who took up painting in retirement, was apparently good at it, and was iconically lauded, for whatever reasons, by the media and art critics at the time (1950’s & 60’s).

  16. Stronza
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Po’ Jerry jes cannot win! He went on da Don Black Show! And now he be payin’ fer it.

    from amnation.com:

    “Once again AR is barred from holding a conference

    As happened two years ago, once again the biennial American Renaissance conference has been canceled by a hotel which had contracted with Jared Taylor to hold the conference, knowing his views were controversial, and then betrayed him when they came under political pressure from local officials. Here is Taylor’s press release on the matter.

    I will repeat, with minor appropriate changes, what I said about the similar affair two years ago, when, after taking Taylor’s side, I found out that in the middle of those events he had gone on a radio program to be interviewed by Don Black, the founder of the neo-Nazi website Stormfront:

    Of course Taylor and anyone should be able to hold a conference, a perfectly legal activity, without interference, without criminal threats of violence making it impossible to hold the conference, and without elected officials bringing improper pressure to bear on hotels leading them to cancel a conference because of the unpopularity of its views.

    I support Jared Taylor’s right to speak and to assemble with like-minded people. The hotel which contracted to host the conference and then canceled it should be condemned. Media, especially conservative media, which ignore the jackboot tactics of the left should be condemned.

    But beyond that, I express no solidarity with Taylor. While he himself is not a Nazi or an anti-Semite, and his publication is not Nazi or anti-Semitic, his continued willing association with Nazis and serious anti-Semites makes it impossible for me to take his side.”
    Posted by Lawrence Auster at 07:36 PM

    Isn’t it nice to be able to have it both ways! Hot darn, Lawrence!

  17. Posted February 2, 2011 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Either Jared Taylor sues those responsible for this debacle, or his credibility within the White Nationalist community will be permanently compromised. Jared Taylor will be forever viewed as a quitter.

    I know it is the custom of the “suits” to look down upon the “boots”, but when’s the last time you heard of the National Socialist Movement canceling a rally because of political pressure? When the “suits” quit, the “boots” soldier on.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted February 2, 2011 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

      Anchorage Activist wrote:

      Either Jared Taylor sues those responsible for this debacle, or his credibility within the White Nationalist community will be permanently compromised. Jared Taylor will be forever viewed as a quitter.

      In reply, let me simply note the obvious: credibility within the “White Nationalist community” – using that term very loosely – is worth precious little, indeed, in the eyes of the community at large.

      And the worth of such credibility?

      Given the track record of the “White Nationalist community” to date, it seems worth if all but absent.

      To his credit, just like the BNP, Taylor played the game by the rules.

      To our credit, we such just what such creditworthiness is worth.

      And, here is a bit of advice that all would do well to heed.

      Those who advocate litigation rarely realize the full cost of litigation; it always costs more, and takes longer, than you realized going in. The cost of Edgar Steele’s freedom is reliably estimated at more than two hundred thousand dollars. Anyone writing that check for Edgar?

      Didn’t think so.

      Far better for Taylor to take the moral high ground, and score points for playing the Game like an Adult – suit, tie, Yale education, professional demeanor, all representing us at our best.

      Anchorage Activist wrote:

      I know it is the custom of the “suits” to look down upon the “boots”, but when’s the last time you heard of the National Socialist Movement canceling a rally because of political pressure? When the “suits” quit, the “boots” soldier on.

      In reply, the effectiveness of the National Socialist Movement works more to the advantage of their opponents, than to them.

      Routinely, the other side uses pictures of the obese, slovenly, and incompetent NSM (except for Bill White), to hold fund raisers, and gain moral superiority for their side. Bluntly, if I was opposed to White Nationalism, I would pay for the NSM to hold on their rallys at a location near me. They offer the perfect political counterpoint; seemingly aggressive, yet more of a threat to themselves than to anyone around them.

      The “boots” only “solider on” to the sound of mockery from those who are truly effective.

      Here’s an important question for one and all in this “White Nationalist movement”:

      What should Pierce have done, and what should the NSM do, to be remotely effective?

      A track record of abysmal failure does not inspire confidence, particularly if the “boots” are mismatched, unshined, and attached to pathetically obese people whose uniforms are mismatched, and slovenly.

      Contrast the professional appearance, in dress and demeanor, of Jared Taylor, to the NSM.

      One is respected, and the other mocked, even as their breathtaking incompetence is displayed with “White Pride, Worldwide.”

      Losers.

      We can learn from this.

      • Karsten
        Posted February 2, 2011 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

        Many good points here, but I don’t see why it has to be one approach or the other. This is a classic case of a false dichotomy. Both approaches, Taylor’s and this other group’s (whom I’ve never heard of), obviously fail.

        A third way is needed. And no, I don’t have a blueprint ready at hand.

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted February 3, 2011 at 11:30 am | Permalink

          Karsten’s reply addresses one of the many shortcomings of the White Nationalists.

          A third way simply seems beyond us, but only for a season.

          The First Way – Rockwell using brownshirt uniforms, the NSM doing streetwalking (usually ending up in emergency rooms), all speak of the futility of using the Forms and Symbols of Yesterday – a vanquished, loathed foe, at that! – today.

          The Second Way – intellectual discussion of the issues before us – worked well, up to a point, as Pierce and Kevin Alfred Stroms’ ADV broadcasts brought national legitimacy to the National Alliance.

          Pierce’s singular failure was his unwillingness to relinquish the slightest iota of effectiveness to people like Linder and White, allowing them to develop the foundation of a national organization that, in time, would involve itself in politics.

          The Third Way reconciles the false conflicts between the first two ways, and is not “merely” a political project, it is a metapolitical project.

          The issue is, what do we want the Future to look like, and how do we make that happen?

          Glad you asked.

          The metapolitical project reaches from temporal signifigance – AmRen, Counter- Currents, Bob Whitaker’s masterful Mantra, and White Rabbit Radio, to Harold Covington’s Northwest Republic – the best analytical model you can find, and from there, a transcendent focus, as we prepare for our posterity to walk “Among The Stars.”

          That takes us to the importance of the metapolitical project, and I will revisit it in the light of the craggy rock outcropping my professor has captured as one of two photographs in his office, and what it means to the metapolitical project, which was lightly mentioned in another post in a different thread.

          We can learn from this.

        • Fourmyle of Ceres
          Posted February 3, 2011 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

          Thoughts on Karsten’s Third Way, or, “How I Learned to Love ‘None Of The Above.'”

          In an earlier post I mentioned a picture in the office of my favorite professor; one of only two pictures, I asked him what it as, and he told me I would know when I was ready. The picture was of a rocky outcropping, hardly the inspiring picture you would expect. One of the most astute posters recognized the location, and what it meant to the metapolitical poject.

          I ran into my professor at a regional meeting more than twenty years later, and he noticed I was studying – not just reading, but studying – Uncle Adolph’s little book. He asked me what I thought of “the NSDAP Cultural Moment.” This was unusual phrasing; in his undergraduate lectures he always referred to “Hitler’s Germany.”

          We talked about the meaning of his phrase for a long time, a conversation that has continued over the years, to my immense reward. He opened my mind to what Nietzsche meant, in light of his cultural framework, and encouraged me to read Ludovici as well, in the light of our cultural framework.

          Two thoughts came from my conversations with him that weekend:

          One, conservatism is a fraud; it is intellectually dishonest, a confidence game to bluff the fools; worse, in practice, it always loses.

          In practice, conservatism always loses.

          Buckley, and his knowing and unknowing followers, created a perfect trap to make the Republican Party a mere counterpoint to the Democratic Party. My professor pointed out what now seems obvious – the Republicans, when they had power, never rolled back ONE Democratic initiative. Not ONE. Not the illegals, not Affirmative Action, not Civil Rights 1968, not ONE of the Democratic initiatives have been rolled back, or even modified.

          Two, Hitler was the last real revolutionary of our Race. He tried to do a hundred years of cultural development in ten, and a thousand years of cultural development in twenty. Above all, the NSDAP Cultural Moment is a phrase that describes the last metapolitical project of our race, for the time being.

          THAT is why it was so threatening to the status quo.

          The NSDAP Cultural Moment was preparing for the day the children who chose the sandbox, would be left in the sandbox, while those who made the greater decisions would see their posterity walk “Among The Stars.”

          As long as we play by their rules, they will always win.

          As long as we play the role of Charlie Brown, and let Lucy pull the football from us at the last second, we will always lose.

          We will also lose ground in our search for a better future, for us and our posterity.

          The Cultural War against us has been total, and totally overwhelming. Color television has powers to control far beyond Savitri’s “press, wireless, and the cinema.” When Howard Beale in the movie “Network” told us to turn off the televisions right now, can you have any doubt that the owners of the mass mediacorps knew we would keep them on?

          Why?

          Because they knew, if we turned the television off, we would not replace it with anything constructive, and soon, our rewired minds would seek the excitotoxin fix. After all, without television, what would we have to talk to our coworkers about?

          Who would do our thinking for us?

          We would become, de facto, isolates from the Culture at large, and most of us would float aimlessly as we were isolated from friends, family, and a viable future.

          Color television was used to teach us The Rules, and it was relentless in its impact, and its effectiveness.

          Is there any doubt as to why we have rasied a generation that is remarkably infantile, and only does what is suggested, without initiative on its own, save the outbreak of adolescent oppositional defiance?

          No.

          Hitler took office facing an unemployment rate of fifty percent.

          Shadowstats puts our unemployment at about 20 – 25, starting with U-6. Hidden in the unemployment data is a deep truth no one wants to face – meaningul jobs for those people, and the people who are off the unemployment rolls altogether (the “99’ers,'” now at three million off the rolls as of 1 Feb, and, really, out of the meaningful job market for good.)

          What do you think a fifty percent unemployment rate would do to us?

          The revolutionary Hitler faced fifty percent unemployment, and developed organic solutions, blending national capitalism, and natural socialism.

          That was his metapolitical project, and could have been ours.

          It worked, and shone so bright a light that the enemies of Mankind fled in horror, regrouped, and went on the attack against the fullest flourishing of the Western Soul ever seen.

          You ask why I speak at length about Harold Covington, his Northwest Republic, and, citing “Hugh” of VNN/F, how we have to be better at working in this system, so we can excel in the next system – the one we can consciosuly create.

          Covington recognized that as long as we play their game by their rules, they will always win. Ask David Duke about the tremendous power brought to bear against him, when it seemed he might actually succeed in national politics.

          Worse, not only will we always lose, we will be given consolation prizes to keep the best of us diverted from doing better. Charlie Brown always gets something to keep him active, but not productive; a new sweater, perhaps, to make the pain of failure a bit more tolerable.

          We must stop being Charlie Brown.

          Different people have spoken of symbols for the metapolitical project.

          Some have thought of the mathemtical symbol for inequality, some have favored American flag patches with a black field to replace the blue field with stars, some, well, the list goes on.

          I carry two in my mind, one personal, one truly metapolitical.

          One is a button of Charlie Brown, with the red circle around him and the red line bisecting the circle. “NO Charlie Browns.”

          The other is of the Earth as a dark, soulless, lightless orb, slowly and coldly revolving around the sun.

          Arthur Clarke was most prescient.

          In his seriest hat built on 2001, his alter-ego, having transcended the need for a physical body, said that Entities far above us were looking at us, and what we were doing on Earth, and the life-forms of one of the moons of Jupiter.

          We were not allowed to compete directly, but one of us would gain the Solar System, and then, the Stars.

          The fate of the other was not directly discussed. One has the impression that it wasn’t what one would prefer.

          We are put on Earth to meet the needs of the cultural moment, and to make the world before us, as much as we can, a better place.

          We needed a framework that look forward, to the infinite Universe, and not backwards, to worlds that never were.

          We needed a metapolitical framework.

          We must then use our lives consciously, one small thought, one small deed, one small habit, one small character, and one small destiny, uniting in the fulfillment of a metapolitical destiny, starting with who we are, starting where we are.

          We did it before, and we can do it again.

          Start where you are and, in the words of Harold Covington:

          “Do Better.”

          Or, be prepared to explain to your posterity why they live as dispossessed cattle in the nation that formerly sent Man to the Moon, brought him back, and stopped working for the day their posterity could walk “Among The Stars.”

          We can learn from this.

  18. Lew
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    I hate to criticize Taylor given all that he has done for the White Nationalist movement, but some criticism is definitely warranted here. One has to wonder what he was thinking using the same formula two years in a row. The obvious solution would have been to schedule this event on public property, or on private non-commercial property owned by a sympathizer. Taylor’s decision to use the same approach in 2011 as he did in 2010 is inexplicable. I hope he tries one more time next year and listens to peoples’ suggestions this time

  19. Mr. Dithers
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Is it just a coincidence that the 2010 and 2011 conferences have been effectively shut down ever since Obama became president? It makes me wonder if the Obama administration are using proxies like Patrick Cannon to get the conference shut down since the government can’t be seen as taking an active role in depriving a group of their constitutional rights.

    Will this be a watershed moment for race realists and white nationalists? Or will we continue to be graceful losers we always are and bemoan how mean and unfair the anti-white bigots are?

    I think Sam Dickson said it best on TPC radio program recently that it is time we rethink our loyalty to the U.S. government. This is long overdue considering we live under a government that hates us simply for our pro-white beliefs.

    • Ole Johansen
      Posted February 3, 2011 at 8:08 am | Permalink

      So what did Mr.Dickson propose that we should do?
      Trying to do something the goverment don’t like and you are going to be crushed.
      There are many examples too this fact in our history.
      I can only say,smartness,smartness above anything.
      Remember,our enemy is very smart.

  20. Dave
    Posted February 2, 2011 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    You guys need to think like the enemy. The mayor’s actions are a good thing! We now have a public official (instead of a few black panthers at a voting station) denying a white group’s civil rights. Run with it! Play the victim! Always have two AMREN conferences scheduled – one in a liberal hot bed, and the “real” fall back position in a white stronghold. Pray the libs get the first one canceled! These people are creating a story that you can use for advocacy! The left has so inculcated whites with guilt that they have to make up civil rights violations to get publicity (e.g., when some leftist plants a noose on a lib college campus). The leftists are actually crazy enough at this stage to actually commit civil rights violations! Get them to do it as often as possible!

  21. Eman
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    You can’t buy this kind of publicity. It’s a good thing from a publicity standpoint that the conference was canceled, since it would not have attracted nearly as much attention if it had gone on as planned.

  22. Patrick
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I am in agreement with Kevin and Eman. Public attempts at repression by the race-replacement enthusiasts will generate free publicity for AmRem….every single time. Gotta just keep slugging away.

  23. Captainchaos
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    The Institute for Historical Review owns facilities which could accommodate a conference. Mark Weber is a personal friend of Taylor, so this could be easily arranged. The one problem is that Weber dares challenge the holy writ of the Holohoax. If Taylor were to take advantage of Weber’s venue the Jews would no doubt descend on Taylor like the ravenous vultures that they are – I mean, more so than they do already.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:51 am | Permalink

      The IHR facilities could not accommodate a large conference with 200+ guests and speakers. But you are right: even if they could, I do not think that Taylor would avail himself of them.

      • Captainchaos
        Posted February 5, 2011 at 6:20 am | Permalink

        Yes. Amren uses HBD as its hinge to the door of racial preservation. Meat and a side of potatoes. To smother it in the barbecue sauce and jalapenos of Holocaust revisionism could spoil the taste for the, um, lemmings.

    • H. Rock White
      Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:52 am | Permalink

      If he really owns such a venue, why doesn’t he use it? As I remember, last time they tried to hold a conference they got chased all over the metro LA area.

      The National Alliance and Volksfront both own meeting halls which could be used, but the American Renaissance generally appeals to a different type of style.

  24. Galoot
    Posted February 3, 2011 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    I read a comment on AmRen itself that I really agree with: Americans hate being associated with losers. Two time losers that fail on the 5yd line by pulling the -exact same QB sneak- from the playbook that cost them the bowl game last time are even worse.

    Switching to smaller venues with fewer amenities and acting like ‘we have to use the barn or the firehouse’ because we’re such a small opinion segment we can’t afford (or afford to get caught using) better is not a good operative psychology to get stuck with as well. Particularly if your audience group are themselves used to a middle class lifestyle, not farm leagues as a bunch of race realist hopefuls too close to our metaphoric roots in Lo-K-ation.

    But it’s far better than the alternative which is the continued perception that whites cannot exist -except with- the ‘tolerance’ of a much smaller minority. Whether that be 12-13%. Or 2-3.

    In terms of shared interests and extended hands to increase our numbers, it doesn’t get much worse than that for it’s implied sense of helpless at risk of social exile for daring to want better than where we’re headed.

    At this point, Loyal Americans should be looking at the situation in a gameable sense. Hoping for -any- opportunity which creates sufficient stress in the system that we can force the issue of ‘a followon government’ into a ‘P3′ or previously prepared position of overlapping defense, industry, agro, education and trade enabled, coadjacent, WSM secession states.

    Unfortunately, I just don’t see another Black Swan Event which doesn’t involve pulling America back in tighter, around a police state enforcement condition of collapsed economies. POMO and T-Bill buybacks that crash the dollar value even further (and result in the unpinning of the Yuan as credit security currency) will come -before- any further international adventurism on the part of our enemies gets our troops locked down in far off theaters of war.

    And the default of American Finance will lead to the rejection of status of forces agreements across the board with the resultant expulsion of American Forces. All of which (NATO, Korea, Japan, SWA) will end up:

    Right. Back. Here.

    Making a second civil war condition highly painful, if it’s winnable at all.

    Unless we are P3 ready to make a very fast transition to a secured subnation with nuclear arms of our own to refuse the reoccupation.

    Anything else, including ‘moving to Vermont without burning the bridge behind you’ is _pointless_, so long as the right of association is essentially flipped on it’s head to to allow poor black, hispanic or other groups to chase us with Federal mandates of residency assurance.

  25. Posted February 4, 2011 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Fourmyle of Ceres you certainly do write a lot of gobbledygook with gratuitous plugs for Harold Covington.

    You point to William Pierce as an example in some way that totally mystifies me.

    I should inform you that Dr. Pierce was not averse to litigation. I discussed it with him. The limiting factor for him in that regard was money.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted February 5, 2011 at 9:39 am | Permalink

      Hadding wrote:

      Fourmyle of Ceres you certainly do write a lot of gobbledygook with gratuitous plugs for Harold Covington.

      In reply, what, exactly, is the “goobledygook?”

      What words don’t you understand? Why? Is there an implicit context that is not clearly defined, or understood?

      Harold Covington’s works are cited, because Covington, alone, has defined what White Nationalism could be, on the way to becoming what it should be.

      The Northwest Republic is used as an analytical framework, in which the metapolitical project can learn to stand, and then walk, before it runs.

      Best case, the Northwest Republic offers us a touchstone to measure our personal and organizational efforts. Do you see yourself as a ambassador from a much better, White National Homeland? Do you act like it? Do you dress, act, and speak better than you did a year ago?

      Worst case, the Northwest Republic is our last, best hope.

      Only Covington figured it out; playng their Game, by their Rules, insures that they always win. We always get to be Charlie Brown, and they always get to be Lucy, controlling the Game against us.

      Hadding wrote:

      You point to William Pierce as an example in some way that totally mystifies me.

      In reply, let me note my three basic “points” – your term – about Pierce.

      One, Pierce was at his most successful when he addressed issues worthy of the metapolitical project. The response to his broadcast of “Our Cause” inspired him to define a religion that carried us forward, “Towards the Stars,” and not backwards, to worlds that never were – Rousseauian worlds where men were “equal,” for example. Cosmotheism, Pierce’s rediscovery of (Masculine) Traditional Religion, was essentially a cult, which could have been much, much more in time.

      Perhaps that still might happen.

      Two, Pierce found a system that worked for him, and him alone. Nothing wrong with that, but the absolute failure of his National Alliance to accomplish anything like it could have, says something about Pierce, and it is not good.

      Three, Pierce failed to link his activities, however remotely, to a metapolitical project. He insured his would always be a one man show, and when that man died, so did the National Alliance, “Cosmotheism,” and virtually all of the efforts he and Kevin Alfred Strom worked on.

      Pierce was masterful at description, but a failure – intentionally so, I maintain – at prescription (other than sending your money to Hillsboro, West Virginia).

      Bluntly, Pierce created something like a racially conscious version of the old John Birch Society – all communications were one way, and controlled from on high, and nothing ever got done past that. No organizations were developed, much less the fantasies of an “above ground” political organization, and an “underground” political organization. I have little doubt the subject was raised, but Pierce had what worked for Pierce. The rest of us were on our own.

      Pierce’s National Alliance had the same political effectiveness as the John Birch Society. There’s an excellent reason for that.

      Neither was meant to be politically effective, much less tools of the metapolitical project.

      There’s a reason for that.

      Contrast Pierce’s forsaken mudhole in West Virginia with Harold Covington’s Vision – much of which is THIS CLOSE to us.

      The answer is correctness of Vision, and linking of activities to organization, and the metapolitical project.

      Pierce hated organization, beyond serving his immediate needs.

      Covington opens a world of very complex organizations, which are the organizational form needed to accomplish transcendental purposes.

      Jefferson’s yeoman framers, and the Articles of Confederation, were no match for the complex, highly organized, Briths Empire.

      The United States of America, organized around the Constitution/Bill of Rights, was.

      At Philadelphia the Founders, our wisest leaders, decided to not play their Game, by their Rules.

      They consciously created their own Game, and their own Rules, which better served the needs of themselves, and their families.

      Now, reread that last section, and substiture “William Pierce” for Jefferson, and “Harold Covington” for the Founders.

      Hadding wrote:

      I should inform you that Dr. Pierce was not averse to litigation. I discussed it with him. The limiting factor for him in that regard was money.

      In reply, as I noted above, litigation costs more than you think, takes longer than you expect, and usually has different outcomes from what you expect.

      We have all too many on our side who can testify to this.

      We can learn from this.

      • Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

        Harold, it really is unseemly to adopt a pseudonym for the purpose of praising yourself.

        “Covington, alone, has defined what White Nationalism could be, on the way to becoming what it should be.”

        A big load of manure, that is.

        I used the word gobbledygook and I said that your reference to Dr. Pierce mystifies me because his Our Cause speech has absolutely nothing to do with the advisability of filing a lawsuit.

        Then in your next post, characteristically, you turn around and attack Dr. Pierce, because you always did envy him.

        Contrast what Dr. Pierce built to your (Harold Covington’s) “vision”? Somehow I don’t think that’s a fair comparison.

        I hope that Greg Johnson will get to the point that he recognizes a Covington sockpuppet when he sees it. To me it’s the forum equivalent of a virus that gets into your computer and constantly takes you to advertisements for the Northwest Republic novels.

    • Posted February 5, 2011 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

      The connection to the Fort Smith Sedition Trial is that all the defendants were acquitted. This is a striking counter-example to the view that the legal process is completely hopeless.

      • Fourmyle of Ceres
        Posted February 5, 2011 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

        Mr. Hadding, I must reply because education is a critical part of the metapolitical project, and the statement you made is appalling in its ignorance. Such misinformation might encourage someone to take your advice, and make a grievous mistake.

        Hadding wrote:

        The connection to the Fort Smith Sedition Trial is that all the defendants were acquitted.

        In reply, let me simply tell you that you are facing a very different politico-legal environment that they did at Fort Smith, which took place more than twenty years ago.

        Think this country has changed in the last twenty years?

        Think those changes have been for the better?

        If they were, Edgar Steele could confidently represent himself.

        I simply want to tell one and all that the Federal judiciary has incredible discretion from the bench, the Federal prosecutors have incredible discretion in their offices, and they have depth of support like you can not imagine.

        Run down all of the defendants at Fort Smith; go ahead, and see where they are today.

        Lane? Mathews?

        You get the picture now?

        Both would have come out with the same line of analysis supported by “Hugh,” of VNN/F, and Harold Covington – be legal, be “Caesar’s Wife” in your life (above suspicion, beyond reproach), be better, Do Better, and develop proethnocentric businesses, and mutual support organizations, leading to communities of common interest, leading to physical communities, leading to a Northwest Republic, leading back to the stars.

        Hadding, listen to me, please.

        We are the one group that can be officially discriminated against, in workplace issues (employment!), in organization, in almost any place, and we are routinely mocked by everyone from children’s cartoonists, advertisers, and even Presidents who rejoice in the fact that we will be a minority in this country in less than fifty years.

        Against Fort Smith I offer, literally, every other time a White Nationalist has gone to court for acting on behalf of the White Race. Wasn’t Terrible Tommy Metzger on the wrong side of some litigation? Hell, Pierce lost against the IRS for tax-exempt status for his “Church of Cosmotheism,” and those were adminstrative proceedings, well short of litigation. Our win/loss record is about 1 for 100, less than you would expect from random chance.

        Why go into the ring against some MMA Champion, when you can avoid the match altogether, and do much more – much more – with none of the burden?

        Such ill-conceived thoughts are little more than wishful thinking.

        Years ago I worked with one of these self-appointed “Constitutionalists,” who went to traffic court, and began by raising the Constitution as his defense.

        The State’s Attorney rose, said “Your Honor, Objection.”

        He didn’t get the rest of the objection out of his mouth.

        The judge looked at him, said “Granted,” and then explained to the “Constitutionalist” that the Constitution did not apply to these proceedings.

        The judge was correct. I’ll leave it for your “Constitutionalists” to explain why.

        Hadding, Fort Smith was lightning striking, and it does not strike twice. Again, look at where the Fort Smith defendants have been for the last twenty years.

        Then, ask yourself what they have said they would have done, had they had it all to do over.

        This time, they would be effective, acting along the lines of VNN/F’s “Hugh,” and Harold Covington.

        Hadding wrote:

        This is a striking counter-example to the view that the legal process is completely hopeless.

        In reply, I have never said the legal process is “completely hopeless.”

        I simply said that the legal process should be the last resort, and we should act as if the very expensive process of litigation would take longer, and cost more, than we might think going in.

        Ask the defendants of the Fort Smith trial about that.

        We can learn from this.

  26. Posted February 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    I think Taylor is going to have to sue and win at this point just to create confidence in the ability of AR to continue staging conferences. Who is going to register to attend with the expectation that it will be canceled?

    The other option is to give up having conferences in hotels.

  27. Posted February 5, 2011 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Ole Johansen says: “With regard to Mr. Williams writing about some lawyers with backbone in the ”movement”. We had one, I suppose most of you know who I mean? Yes, I thinking about Mr.Edgar Steele.”

    No offense meant to Mr. Steele, but he’s a defense lawyer who has practiced defensive racism. In fact he wrote a book by that title: _Defensive Racism_. I urged Edgar for years to go on the offense, to sue Morris Dees for barratry, for abuse of process over his patented, selective vicarious liability lawsuits; sue him and his deep pocketed SPLC for *anything,* but go on offense! Put Dees in the defendant’s box and make him squirm. Ask him if he really kissed the Jew Charlie Springman on his penis, like his ex, Maurene, claimed he did. That’s what I was talking about having an attorney with backbone. Edgar’s wife and his attorney named Wes Hoyt are asking WNs to dig deep and raise $250,000 for Ed’s Defense Fund. That’s a lot. The way Wes ended his last begging letter with,”May the choicest blessings of the Lord be upon each of you” didn’t exactly have me reaching for my checkbook. What’s with that? Ed’s not a Christian.

  28. Posted February 5, 2011 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Fourmyle of Ceres says: “Harold Covington’s works are cited, because Covington, alone, has defined what White Nationalism could be…The Northwest Republic is used as an analytical framework, in which the metapolitical project can learn to stand…Best case, the Northwest Republic offers us a touchstone to measure our personal and organizational efforts…Worst case, the Northwest Republic is our last, best hope.

    “Only Covington figured it out; playng their Game, by their Rules, insures that they always win…

    “One, Pierce was at his most successful when he addressed issues worthy of the metapolitical project…Cosmotheism, Pierce’s…Religion, was essentially a cult…[T]he absolute failure of his National Alliance to accomplish anything like it could have, says something about Pierce, and it is not good…Pierce failed to link his activities, however remotely, to a metapolitical project. He insured his would always be a one man show, and when that man died, so did the National Alliance, “Cosmotheism”…Pierce was…a failure – intentionally so, I maintain – at prescription (other than sending your money to Hillsboro, West Virginia).

    “Bluntly, Pierce created something like a racially conscious version of the old John Birch Society – all communications were one way, and controlled from on high, and nothing ever got done past that…Pierce had what worked for Pierce. The rest of us were on our own.

    “Pierce’s National Alliance had the same political effectiveness as the John Birch Society…Neither was meant to be politically effective, much less tools of the metapolitical project…Contrast Pierce’s forsaken mudhole in West Virginia with Harold Covington’s Vision…of the metapolitical project.

    “Pierce hated organization, beyond serving his immediate needs…Covington opens a world of very complex organizations…

    “[L]itigation costs more than you think, takes longer than you expect, and usually has different outcomes from what you expect…We have all too many on our side who can testify to this.”

    As I stated in an early post in this thread, I sued the Leader of your metapolitical gobbledygook project, defendant Covington, in 1996. It took about 18 months for the legal process to play out, at which point the court awarded me a judgment for damages, actual and compensatory, which amounts to over $200,000 today. Your Leader also has an outstanding criminal contempt of court warrant because of his continuing flagrant violation of the court’s injunction. I didn’t spend all that much money to pursue the bastard because I had an attorney who agreed to represent my interests ‘pro bono’. That is a fact. That is the truth, Mr. Fourmyle of Ceres, despite HAC’s repeated claims that my “Jewish lawyer” “cost Dr. Pierce $200 per hour,” and that he “worked for Morris Dees,” among other ridiculous claims. Your Leader-in hiding attempted to try “Williams v. Covington” on the Internet rather than in a courtroom, observing rules of evidence, and under oath to tell the truth, under penalty of prosecution for perjury. Your Leader “figured it out,” all right: that “playng their Game, by their Rules, insures that they always win.” Who’s “they,” Mr. Fourmyle of Ceres? Me? I’m the one who got the Rule Book, played “their” Game by it, and kicked his sorry, lying butt out of the South and up into the great Northwest territory to lead his migrants in your so-called “last best hope”: your transcendental metapolitical bs project.

    Your smears of Dr. Pierce are way out of line. You were in the outgroup and “on your own” because you would not have made a good Alliance member. You don’t have the right stuff to be a team player, except for Covington’s metapolitical project. You obviously didn’t know Dr. Pierce judging by the things you say about him here: that the National Alliance was a “cult,” modeled after JBS, and intended to be ineffective. Hadding and I both knew Dr. Pierce well, working with him as staffers at the National Office you call the mudhole. You seem to have intimate knowledge of Mr. Covington, however. You could very well be Covington the way you run on, promoting his nonsense.

    It’s uplifting to learn from Greg that Jared Taylor has a substantial war chest and that AmRen was already paid a 5-figure cancellation penalty by the Sheraton chain for breaching the agreement. Jared said his attorneys are looking into the possibility of suing the city of Charlotte, the “Queen City” that just announced it will be hosting the Democrat Party Convention in 2012. We can only hope that Charlotte is turned upside down with protests like Chicago was in 1968 at that Democrat Convention.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 6, 2011 at 12:18 am | Permalink

      Guys, no more Covington versus Pierce on this thread.

  29. Karsten
    Posted February 5, 2011 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Richard Spencer’s live feed was also disrupted due to “agitation” (his word). However, he has offered a free DVD of the recorded videos to the subscribers.

    That is a very nice gesture, but what would make me even happier would be a blow-by-blow account of exactly what transpired, what form this “agitation” took.

    He writes:

    “Regarding the live web-stream, we’ve run into serious difficulties. We’ve decided not to go into details at this time, but you can use your imagination. “

    I would be even happier with the “details” of what happened than with the DVD (though the DVD is appreciated). It really would be nice to know.

    • Greg Johnson
      Posted February 5, 2011 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

      Yes, I am curious. I am afraid that my imagination is coming up short. What sort of “agitation” could not prevent them from taping the talks but could prevent them from streaming them live? That would seem like a purely technical problem rather than a political one.

      • Puma
        Posted February 6, 2011 at 6:01 am | Permalink

        What sort of “agitation” could not prevent them from taping the talks but could prevent them from streaming them live?

        Two possibilities come immediately to mind. First, a denial of service attack on the streaming site. Second, if the streaming site is a third party service provider, complaints similar to those used to pressure the hotel into cancelling could be to blame.

        • Karsten
          Posted February 6, 2011 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

          Puma, by “streaming site” do you mean something other than the URL where the streaming was going to take place? The site that was going to broadcast the feed, npitv.com, was live the whole time and never went down. There was just no signal, merely a colour test pattern.

          • Greg Johnson
            Posted February 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

            Good point. I think the reasonable conclusion is that it was a technical problem that cropped up on site in Charlotte. I have seen plenty of people getting “agitated” by technical problems!

  30. Mr. Dithers
    Posted February 6, 2011 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    GOP cheerleader “Hunter Wallace” has claimed that the recent Amren conference cancellation is squarely the fault of……. the vanguard wing of white nationalism. It seems they should have peered into their crystal balls to see that the Amren conference would be held in Charlottle in 2011. Then they could have worked on “moving the goalposts” with white North Carolinians years in advance.

    Actually, the Amren debacle shatters Hunter’s credibility since he claims that the conservative establishment is valiantly defending the rights of white people in America. If that were true, the conservative establishment of NC could have entered the fray on behalf of Amren but remained silent to avoid a media firestorm and shrill cries of “racist, Nazi” that would have ensued. This is a classic example of conservative cowardice.

    Where was Rush and GOP bigwigs? Where was Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin? The witless conservatives don’t understand that today it’s Amren but tomorrow it will be them.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted February 6, 2011 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

      Mr. Dithers has made a very strong point, which we should consider as worthy of much further study.

      The Tea Party started as an organic outpouring of anger at a status quo that was softly failing them, and they could not quite figure out what went wrong.

      It quickly became channeled into a Movement against the government, and was quickly institutionalized by the Republican Party into the Tea Party Express, putting forth positions that the Republicans could not openly support until the groundwork was laid by the Tea Party people.

      Note that when Palin announced her “independent” political initiatives, one of her first financial backers was something called “Israelis for Palin.” Note the Israeli flag seen prominently next to the American flag in many Palin pictures.

      Conservatism has always failed.

      Not ONCE have the Republicans rolled back even one Democratic initiative, even the Democratic initiatives that were deliberately designed to reoder society in a manner directly antagonistic to the interests of the Republican membership.

      Not ONCE – not on Affirmative Action, not on the illegals, not on Civil Rights 1968, not once has there been even nominal Republican push-back.

      What there has been – and this ties into the theme of political kabuki and the AmRen conference issues – is a shifting of the focus away fom a response to the failure of the Republican leadership to be remotely conservative.

      One example – the issue of illegal aliens has been shifted into an issue of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, slowing it down and moderating it to ineffectiveness.

      Many more examples suggest themselves, and this is all the more reason for the metapolitical project to be the focus of our efforts.

      We can learn from this.

    • Posted February 6, 2011 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

      Rockwell was already complaining in 1965 that conservatives (specifically the John Birch Society in that era) were hostile to their own vanguard, while the moderate left, by contrast, always makes apologies for the far left. You have solidarity and de facto support for extremism on the left, and paranoid concern about staying “respectable” on the right.

      Hunter Wallace is a current example of that, and I think if he ever has troubles for being a racist he will be hoist on his own petard, insofar as those people slightly more cowardly than himself, using the same self-righteous posturing, will not come to his aid.

      I have to give Jared Taylor credit for not being that kind of coward. Despite not wanting to take a stand against Jews, he has not made any ostentatious effort to distance himself from those who express concerns in that area.

      • Greg Johnson
        Posted February 6, 2011 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

        Hadding, you are absolutely right about “Wallace” — and about Taylor.

        The funny thing is that a year ago, Wallace was saying virtually the same thing about the relationship between “vanguard” and “mainstream.”

        But the words of crazy people mean nothing, even when they happen to be saying things that are true.

  31. Posted February 6, 2011 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    It is a mistake to regard the government and the legal system as sole property of enemies of the White race. The terms ZOG and JOG unfortunately facilitate that kind of caricature.

    Imagine a football between two teams, the Whites and the Invaders. It’s a strange game because the Whites, who are really by far the stronger and better team, don’t know where their goal is. Being the stronger team they will have the football most of the time, but they won’t do much with it toward reversing the gains of the Invaders. They will often however, despite being clueless about the big picture, frustrate many of the Invaders’ specific efforts.

    The football is the government. The stronger but confused team is the White majority.

    It is important to understand that the government is more like a contested prize than an entity with its own agenda.

    In what ways have the Invaders been able to change the legal process in their favor? They’ve gotten some laws on the books that are pretty unfair. Civil Rights laws and Hate-Crime laws. These laws are an abomination, but if you don’t trust the judge, you still have the option of having a jury determine whether you are guilty.

    Contrary to what some people would have us believe, juries do not always find racists guilty regardless of evidence. Do a search on the terms “skinhead” and “acquitted” and you will find a few examples of juries following the evidence.

    In civil cases I think that racists have lost often mainly because of the paucity of resources on their side against multimillion-dollar plaintiffs. The system has always had that weakness, that you could buy better representation if you had more money. But that is probably much more of a factor where there is some ambiguity in the case, than in a case where the facts of the matter and the principle are unambiguous.

    • Fourmyle of Ceres
      Posted February 7, 2011 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

      Hadding, you’ve made several points here, one quite good, and the other, while well-intentioned, falling a bit short of the mark in legal reality.

      Hadding wrote:

      It is important to understand that the government is more like a contested prize than an entity with its own agenda.

      In reply, the people who control the government – for now, and for the last century, for all practical purposes – DO have an agenda, and you see that in their transformation of every element of governance to further their agenda.

      The contest is fought by us in the sense that Charlie Brown “fights” the football, always having it pulled away by Lucy.

      Charlie Brown, for whatever reason, never seems to turn on Lucy, and treat her like he should.

      There was a great Steve Martin movie, “The Jerk.” In this, the Martin character, working at a gas station, is shot at by a guy who hits the oil cans, while aiming for Martin.

      The Martin character shouts, “Someone’s shooting at the oil cans!”

      That’s the Charlie Brown self-identified “White Nationalists” have been; missing the football, and accusing someone of shooting at the oil cans – when we have been the real target.

      In what ways have the Invaders been able to change the legal process in their favor? They’ve gotten some laws on the books that are pretty unfair. Civil Rights laws and Hate-Crime laws. These laws are an abomination, but if you don’t trust the judge, you still have the option of having a jury determine whether you are guilty.

      In reply, believe me, the legal process rules themselves – the rules of procedure, and the rules of evidence – are of far greater importance in shaping the outcome of litigation than any single group of “laws.”

      And your faith in a jury is touching; read the rules I have referred to closely, and see how the prosecutors and judiciary can shape what the jury can see, and discuss.

      Hadding wrote:

      Contrary to what some people would have us believe, juries do not always find racists guilty regardless of evidence. Do a search on the terms “skinhead” and “acquitted” and you will find a few examples of juries following the evidence.

      In reply, a few token victories at the lowest level of the legal system make us feel like good losers; we are still losers, because those who “won” the case quickly looked at the legal costs, and decided to be a lot more discreet in the future. In effect, the cases they were allowed to win served as a lesson to them, where they looked at how far down the rqabbit hole really went.

      Juries are instructed by the judge. Again, a look at the rules of procedure might help you to realize the magnitude of what we are up against when we go trial, even if the facts and the law SEEM to be on our side.

      Of course, we could note how often our advovcates have failed in court

      The System wil let us win a few rounds when it costs them nothing; if they want to win, they will prevail, one way or another.

      Thus, the great wisdom of VNN/F’s “Hugh,” in the thread “A World View.”

      We can win, if we simply work slowly, and steadaily, following the successful example of Ghandi, who always had a metapolitical focus to his projects.

      We can learn from this.

  32. icr
    Posted February 8, 2011 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    B. Lode points out a relevant aspect of the zeitgeist:
    http://m4monologue.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/the-foaming-tiber-of-american-mediocrity/#comment-2259
    A degenerating culture is one where complaining is a way to get things done. – Johnny Dissidence

    Nobody likes a whiner, and whiners don’t win. – Devin Finbarr (on my blog the other day)

    The two statements are both true, in their own ways, and I note them together mainly because of the coincidence. They have come from people in the same broad ideological camp (anti-PC / alt-right etc.) The PC double standard that proscribes right-wingers from noting the negative, and encourages left-wingers to do the same, instantly becomes a double bind, since noöne will ever come out and say honestly “right-wingers are under a more restrictive set of rules than left-wingers, who are the mainstream”.

    Each time I think the ever-fashionable thought: “Left and right are obsolete categories, in an increasingly globalized, post-Marxist, fashion-obsessed modern world”, I find exactly this sort of thing that confirms that right and left are not just valid, but actually very basic, deep-seated thought patterns.

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