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Edmund Connelly’s essay “Harold Covington’s Northwest Quartet” at The Occidental Observer generated intense discussion. We have decided to continue and refine that discussion with a moderated debate. The primary focus of the debate will be the idea of the Northwest Imperative. A secondary focus will be Harold Covington’s writings about the Northwest Imperative, including the novels of his Northwest Quartet.
The basic rules of the debate are:
1. No ad hominem attacks are permitted, not even cute little asides. This is a debate about ideas, not personalities. If a comment has substance, I will edit out personal attacks. If personal attacks are the substance, I will delete the comment and ban the commenter.
2. Pen names are of course permitted, but multiple pen names (sock puppets) are not. If you start logging in under new names to agree with yourself, you will be exposed and banned. (I have no moral objections to sock puppets. But they contribute to an undisciplined, irresponsible, unserious atmosphere, and this is a serious debate.)
3. All the other rules of etiquette, logic, and fair play also apply and will be enforced.
4. All comments must be on topic. Off topic commentary will never see the light of day.
5. Should inappropriate comments slip by, debate participants have the recognized right not to answer them, citing these basic terms of debate, in order to keep the discussion moving forward.
You don’t need a familiarity with the Northwest Quartet to participate in this discussion, just good logic and good manners. However, by way of background, I am reprinting the following text from Harold Covington.
Fundamental Principles of Northwest Migration
H. A. Covington
French translation here
I. The White race in North America is in danger of literal, physical extinction. If current destructive demographic trends continue, White people will be a minority in the United States and Canada by the year 2050, and we will have vanished completely from North America by 2100. The real point of no return, however, is far closer. By the year 2020, the median AGE of the White population of North America will have become so high that we will no longer be capable of reproducing ourselves in sufficient numbers to overcome the tide of mud-colored Third World immigration.
II. We as a people have wasted the past six decades on pointless, futile, and impotent right-wing and kosher conservative organizations and strategies. The overwhelming majority of these past organizations and movements refused to recognize the vital central importance of race in all issues, and they refused to recognize the urgent need for state power in order to preserve the existence of our race. The few attempts which have been made to resist racial extinction by groups and personalities of an openly National Socialist or racialist nature have been led by men who were stupid, incompetent, dishonest, or some combination of all three. The result of the past sixty years of right-wing failure and impotence is that we are now out of time.
III. There is only one strategy remaining to us which may be able to secure the existence of our people and a future for White children. Our last remaining hope to stave off extinction is the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation on the continent of North America for White people only.
IV. Considerations of demographics, economics, and a history of commitment and martyrdom in the persons of Bob Matthews, Sam and Vicky Weaver, and Richard Butler dictate that the territory for this sovereign Aryan republic must lie in the Pacific Northwest.
V. The first step towards the establishment of the Northwest American Republic is a mass migration of the existing racially aware White community to the states of Idaho, Oregon, and Washington. It is a matter of the utmost urgency that you make this vitally important commitment to the future of our people, that you do so now, and that you come to the Homeland with only the minimum delay necessary to raise sufficient funds and put your affairs in order.
I also recommend you look at three other pieces on this site:
- Greg Johnson, Interview with Harold Covington
- Greg Johnson, “Birth of a Nation: H. A. Covington’s Northwest Quartet“
- Michael O’Meara, “The Northwest Novels of H. A. Covington“
So with that, ladies and gentlemen, don your thinking caps. Be patient, however. Since all comments need to be moderated, your thoughts might not appear immediately. So why not take the extra time before you send your comment to proofread it and decide if you can improve upon it or if it should even be published at all?
If this goes well, we might even make a slight dent in the internet’s madhouse, mosh pit atmosphere and show that online discussion can actually contribute to the development of serious ideas and political change.
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Thanks for allowing me to join this discussion. If I may try to refine my point it seems not to be resonating with HAC or most of the contributors. To put it in a different context:
“What will it take to get you here?
Fourmyle of Ceres
Comented on my prevous post-
“Character” is what you do when no one is looking.
Movement Past had far too many people of very poor character.
As Mr. Covington observed, they came for what they thought WNism offered them, and not what they had to offer the Race.”
My thoughts exactly I get that but that’s not the point. . Can we address the question of whites that wish to move to the area specifically those that HAC would not find suitable for political operatives or a potential candidate for some future NDF. Mr. Johnson hit very close to the mark in another post.
“One of the best things that WNs can aim at all around the country is to form local communities large enough to build, maintain, and staff a community center with a meeting hall, a kitchen, and even school rooms. It would require the facilities and community support of an average church congregation, many thousands of which exist all over the country. It would be a place where one could gather for educational and community activities, from lectures to classes to workshops to daycare to arts and crafts…”
Those non-political gatherings could teach the trades, educate on an economical level and fortify the people that will be your base. So what would you do about the people that migrate that don’t meet your character standard? HAC you haven’t answered the question. Would you ignore them or assist your white brothers and sisters? Most here seem to have bigger fish to fry a big picture outlook and don’t wish to discuss minutia. There are two distinct communities that both need to exist in the NW before anything lasting will take or any heavy lifting with happen. One a completly non-political community that builds economic, moral and to a small degree security for all whites in the NW and a second that will implement the rise of our race on the ground. The second would be measured by the character issue as one would expect for positions of power or authority. We all know that many of our people are walking wounded who have been worn down and tormented both physiologically and economically for decades. I don’t find them unimportant or irrelevant. They and their children are why most of us will fight. A race-conscious dedicated community of pro-white has not existed before. At least we have the luxury of hindsight that our forefathers lacked. Wonderful things could result in putting our race back on track with leadership and the help of a white brother in an all-white community. Your one thousand will have little chance of success without out your base and pockets of support all over the country. You won’t get the second without the first. Any resistance movement will surely be doomed for failure if those sympathetic communities are powerless, geographicly sparse and physiologically demoralized.
So. . .What it will take to get me there – To know all whites, moms, dads, old young infirm and those of lesser character will not be turned away or found irrelevant.
I want to hear that this is not recruiting for HACS raiders or a politically elite society of WN., Harold do you know (or agree) you need the little people to come first (or with your 1000)? Please share your thoughts.
D. Logsdon
Mr. Logsdon:
Human nature is like water; it seeks its own level, and “likes attract.”
Everyone has been to a job interview and just felt that it wasn’t right, as well as the opposite.
The meritocratic nature of what we are doing will take care of most of the self-selection, and the self-selectors will take care of the rest.
It’s that simple.
@I:
Of course. Just to be clear, I agree with you in part, and I’m not dismissing the value of the Internet. WNists are reaching a wider audience than ever thanks to the Internet, and obviously we should continue to use it. Hell, we are using the Internet now.
I don’t dispute this.
I just think it’s highly unlikely any form of mass cultural shift in our favor will ever be facilitated through WNist Internet activity alone, or through activity heavily weighted toward Internet participation as opposed to other things.
There is an old saying in WNist circles: if elections mattered we wouldn’t have them. Well, I believe we should consider the possibility that this principle applies to the Internet too. If Jewry and the ruling class regarded the Internet as a genuine threat to their power, they would pull the plug or crack down on it without hesitation. In fact, they already do this on a smaller scale by yanking videos from YouTube and harassing Web site owners that publish subversive materials. As long as Jewry can maintain de facto control over Internet without resorting to open repression, I would even venture a guess that Jewry wants the Internet around because it gives various dissident groups an outlet talk rather than organize and put boots on the ground.
I only brought up the campaign signs because HAC asked who here has done something besides talk on the Internet. By that standard, I myself have done next to nothing and don’t claim otherwise, but I did show my face in public and plant signs for an ex-Klansman when I had an OPPORTUNITY to do so. Unfortunately, such opportunities do not exist very often for me or anyone else. And part of the reason for that is that there has been too much emphasis on the Internet.
The Duke campaign says a lot about what Jewry does and does not perceive to be a threat to their power. Jewry has been harassing Duke going back to the early 70s, but they didn’t unleash all of their power and use every nasty trick in the book against him short of assassination until he was in a position to win state power. Jewry didn’t do any of those things when Duke and his supporters were spending their time holding small meetings, preaching to the choir, and exchanging newsletters (the era’s equivalent of the Internet).
Now, that isn’t an appeal for electoral politics; I understand we’re not going to vote our way out of this, and I understand that even if Duke had won he would not have been able to change anything fundamental. My point is just that real-world activity focused outside and beyond WNist circles seems to get Jewry’s attention in a way other activities don’t.
I think it’s reasonable to infer from this that Jews perceive organized, determined, credible real world WNist activity as the biggest potential threat to their power at this time. Such activity has the potential of mobilizing not just nationalists in the real world, but also our many sympatheizers who are sitting quietly on the sidelines.
This view is also vindicated by the fact that Jews have spent decades going after pretty much everyone who has either done or tried to do anything in the real world.
This includes Rockwell, Matthews, Lane, Butler, Duke, Metzger, Steele, and Taylor.
Lew:
Jewry has two fears, the White Race and REAL Christianity.
They have always worked to undermine the Race, and destroy (“deconstruct”) Christianity.
I think the development of REAL Christianity is an important choice for us, and, politically, framing our arguments in terms of the Constitution works, especially for starters, as in kick-starting the Moment of Awakening.
These offer us legitimacy, and effectiveness.
Most of White Nationalism seems deliberately calculated to do the exact opposite.
There is a reason for that, and that’s why the metapolitical project is so important.
The white homeland movement seems to me a reflection of the Zionist homeland movement of the last and 19th century. Is it just me or do others see the parallels? However, I do support the concept of a whites only homeland in the northwestern part of the present US or elsewhere. Why aren’t the present white residents of the northwest not supporting this movement and helping others who need to immigrate or come home to the northwest? The already established residents aid in finding that all too critical living wage job would be invaluable. I think the job situation is the key to getting this off the ground.
In ways there are similarities. I know for instance that we can point and say “the Jews have a homeland, why not us” and that is a valid point. The present Whites meaning the regular Whites that are there? Fact is that one of the reasons for the migration is for the racially aware Whites help make the more Liberal Whites, more racially aware. I can imagine though, in the future, help will be bestowed on those wanting to migrate. Just only problem is resources and such. And not only the job situation either. There are physiological needs, safety, belonging and esteem. Obviously the NF can’t meet all of them but yes I can envision aid to potential new comers in the future. I think as Covington said: you don’t join the Party, the Party joins you.
A larger question around the Jews right to a Racial Homeland, which only Covington has the courage to address, is this:
What would you DO with it?
It’s the cultural equivalent of compound interest, of a willow that bends with the wind, until it becomes a wall of willows, a wall against the wind..
Israel offers refuge for criminals to run and hide, safe behind American military power, and Israeli atomic weapons.
This would have been impossible before the formation of the Zionist entity.
Our building blocks are suggested in the VNN/F thread by “Hugh,” called “A World View.”
“The white homeland movement seems to me a reflection of the Zionist homeland movement of the last and 19th century. Is it just me or do others see the parallels?”
The parallels are deliberate. The Jews did it, and we can do it too.
While I am living as an expatriate these days, I certainly still care about my native land, and I do believe that the idea of a Northwest state is a good one. I’ve been wading through the mass of comments, and my only question regards its feasibility. Mr. Covington suggests that, in a theoretical future time in which the U.S. has become weakened, a colonial uprising could convince the authorities that holding onto the Northwest wouldn’t be worth the price in treasure and blood and they would be willing to let it go. I seriously question this idea. Naturally, in any state, no matter how severely weakened it is, the last thing it will allow to degrade is its military capability, so unless we see an unprecedented (in modern times) catastrophe of apocalyptic proportions along the lines of “The Road,” which would likely make the idea of a state in the Northwest or anywhere else impractical, I don’t see the U.S. ever losing its military capability altogether, at least not in our lifetimes. Of course these things are difficult to predict, but this seems likely to me. So I see four main problems:
1. Given the lack of character exhibited by the majority of Whites in the U.S. these days, I wonder where even a small-yet-significant guerrilla army of QUALIFIED (meaning, actually having the necessary know-how, and not just being wizards at target shooting or paintball), dedicated, incorruptible (since the U.S. will surely try to buy them out, as it has done with insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan) men and women, with a strong enough faith in victory to continue fighting even when there seems little chance of success, willing to sacrifice the lives of themselves and their families and to live an extremely austere life by American standards, will come from. I have no doubt a few such people exist here and there, but to wage such a campaign with any chance of success, one would need at the very least several thousand such people.
2. How to gain the good will of the majority of the people in the Northwest. I have known many people from Washington and Oregon, and with a few exceptions, most of them are very liberal in their sociopolitical outlook – in fact, more so than people I have known from the Midwest or Southern states of the U.S. As Mr. Covington said, following Mao, the guerrilla must be like a fish in the ocean of the people. I don’t see most Whites in the Northwest backing such an effort, even in a crisis situation. Most people from the Northwest seem to have a strong libertarian streak, but I don’t see that extending to support for a racialist government which would no doubt have to be very authoritarian in nature, especially in its early days. More than likely most Whites would help the U.S. forces instead, particularly if the insurgents began targeting Whites who didn’t help them. Again, this was a major problem that led to the failure of recent insurgencies in Algeria and Iraq. Also, no doubt life in a newly-liberated Northwest would be very austere, given its severing of economic ties with the rest of the country, and many people may pine to be reunited with the U.S. simply to get their old lifestyles back.
3. A very concrete problem: the massive strategic resources held by even a weakened U.S. Even with its conventional forces alone, I see the odds that the U.S. would be persuaded by the loss of any amount of blood and treasure to give up any of its territory as very small, because surely success in one area would show other potential insurgents elsewhere that secession is a real possibility. I really doubt that the U.S. would ever be persuaded to give up the fight, even a long, bloody and costly one, simply to show its determination and to try to keep the country together. The price of defeat would be to risk the unraveling of the entire empire and the authorities would be well aware of that. Even if the Northwest did achieve victory, you know very well that the U.S. would resort to its old bag of tricks against unfriendly regimes, and would take every opportunity to sow internal dissent, commit acts of sabotage, burn or poison crops and water resources, impose trade embargoes or set up blockades, invent or actually commit atrocities that could be blamed on the Northwest government, etc. And there would always be the risk of invasion. A theoretical Northwest state would have its hands full simply organizing itself in the wake of victory, and would surely lack the strength to pose any threat to the rest of the continent which might create an effective deterrent. Even in “The Turner Diaries” and “Ecotopia,” after victory, the rebels had to equip themselves with nukes to dissuade the U.S. from attacking. The odds that such a goal is feasible, however, is small – nukes are not easy to come by or maintain, especially in numbers significant enough to create an effective deterrent. And lastly, while this could never happen today, in a theoretical U.S. experiencing an existential crisis, I could imagine the government using nukes on its own soil in order to show potential rebels everywhere that they are not willing to accept defeat at any price. There’s really no defense against that.
4. Winning the respect and trust of Whites throughout the rest of the world. The U.S. would no doubt use its extensive propaganda networks to depict the Northwest rebels or state as extremists, out of control, violent, etc. One thing that would go a long way to helping victory to be attainable would be to win the hearts and minds of Whites elsewhere who could then act in concert or at least encourage the government to sue for peace. But given their present conditionings, it’s unlikely the NW would gain many sympathizers, especially in the face of continuous propaganda campaigns, and no doubt many would see the war as a “crusade against racism and fascism” and the like. The TVs and radios will surely not go dead as long as the U.S. continues to exist in any form.
I can see the effectiveness of the Northwest idea as a motivating myth, as Mr. O’Meara has written, but a good myth must also seem attainable. Given all of these problems I wonder. I realize that it’s difficult to know now what the circumstances will be in this future crisis, but these should be taken into account.
John Morgan,
Interesting blogsite. Thanks. And very cogent objections. Make me wonder…
The only rapid response I can fathom now is that something really big will happen within our lifespan, perhaps in Europe. Demography is destiny and once the Muslims completely change the physiognomy of the some parts of the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands and France (kind of poetic justice: the most liberal countries will be the ones who will suffer a punishment of biblical proportions), those whites in these US Northern states will start to rethink their liberalism seriously. But even a crisis of apocalyptic proportions for Europe will not be enough to persuade those body-snatched American whites to become fully human again without the proper meta-political work. Hard times ahead.
By the way, in the fictional Quartet there’s a character, John Corbett Morgan, a valiant combatant who was betrayed and killed in an operation of the NW war of independence.
John Morgan:
Look what Jews did, over a thousand years, motivated by an overarching metapolitical theme they organized around, as a Race.
Christianity, another metapolitical theme, has developed far beyond Golgotha.
The Romans based their legions on the Centurion Principle – ONE Centurion could rebuild the entire Roman Army.
All of these achievements took time, a metapolitical focus, and skillful, disciplined training.
We don’t need all of the good will, of all of the people, to be effective.
Consider the governing resources of Los Angeles. Think there are vast sections they can’t control?
Some see obstacles.
Christians, and Centurions, see opportunities.
“While I am living as an expatriate these days, I certainly still care about my native land, and I do believe that the idea of a Northwest state is a good one. I’ve been wading through the mass of comments, and my only question regards its feasibility. Mr. Covington suggests that, in a theoretical future time in which the U.S. has become weakened, a colonial uprising could convince the authorities that holding onto the Northwest wouldn’t be worth the price in treasure and blood and they would be willing to let it go. I seriously question this idea. ”
The slow weakening of the Zionist power elite here in the U.S. is visible from closer up, John. It’s happening. The window of opportunity is approaching. Not anywhere near yet, but we can see the light in the distance coming down the track.
‘Naturally, in any state, no matter how severely weakened it is, the last thing it will allow to degrade is its military capability, ”
There seems to be a general awareness in the upper echelons and in the military itself that the U.S. military IS in fact degrading, due to repeated lengthy deployments and the lower standard of recruits necessary to fill the ranks of a volunteer force sans the draft, which the regime here still doesn’t yet dare to impose. Plus complaints over equipment malfunctions and degradation due to the same thing: long deployments in bad condition and a slow, constipated replacement and repair rate due to the general atherosclerosis throughout the whole system.
“1. Given the lack of character exhibited by the majority of Whites in the U.S. these days, I wonder where even a small-yet-significant guerrilla army of QUALIFIED (meaning, actually having the necessary know-how, and not just being wizards at target shooting or paintball), dedicated, incorruptible (since the U.S. will surely try to buy them out, as it has done with insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan) men and women, with a strong enough faith in victory to continue fighting even when there seems little chance of success, willing to sacrifice the lives of themselves and their families and to live an extremely austere life by American standards, will come from.”
Try tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of pissed-off Iraq and Afghanistan vets who are coming home to foreclosed houses, no jobs, and families living on food stamps and in some cases under bridges, as well as zero assistance from the VA. Happening as we speak; we’re already getting some coming around to the NF.
As a resident of 14 years in the Northwest, I can confidently tell you that a white homeland here isn’t possible under present conditions.
I came here in 1997 to be a part of a white homeland, but after all these years I have finally figured out that WN aren’t serious enough to pack up and move here and the ones that did are spread out so far that we will never achieve political power. There seems to be more of an awareness with whites who are surrounded by non whites, and the Northwest is too white to breed such awareness.
It’s sad to say, but I would leave here at the first good opportunity.
Yes, it is a paradox: the more homogeneously white a population, the less racially aware it is. The more racially mixed the population, the more racially aware the whites. But let’s acknowledge that this is produced by the Jewish domination of our explicit culture, which programs people to believe the racial equality lie, and the lie usually persists unless one actually has empirical evidence to the contrary. In a society where racially conscious whites controlled the media and culture, we could maintain racial awareness in a homogeneous environment.
One of the beauties of the NW Front is the idea of an ingathering of racially aware whites who can raise the racial consciousness of the natives. It is a dynamic that already exists, and I have seen it in action.
Gary SS:
Get in touch with the NF through our website or e-mail me at [email protected] I think you may be surprised.
On the practical side: how does the insurrectionist movement plan to deal with competing visions for secession, or in other words, win the hearts and minds of the people? The difficulty of fighting the U.S. military is daunting, even a flagging, withering state can deliver a deadly sting to a fledgling power; compounding this is the large presence of militia groups, Ron Paul Supporters, patriots, and Tea Partiers, who define revolution in terms of individual freedom, not group survival. Many believe that these people are implicit racialists; however, I think that this may be a bit of wishful thinking. Unfortunately, these potential supporters seem to cling to the prevailing cultural and political paradigm in many cases, and simply want to “throw the bums out”. There support or at least their non-resistance, I would think is a pre-requisite to any successful revolution in the PNW. Is there anything within the framework of these novels that provides a template for overcoming the entrenched attitudes of this population, and if not within the novels, how do you propose this be done?
In all fairness, these are problems that every WN group faces.
Americans are wedded to tough talk about freedom, but they generally don’t fight for it, else we would not have such a huge government. Instead, “freedom loving” Americans prefer moving away to fighting. Unfortunately the mental disease of libertarian individualism is very strong on the far right. In fact, between the individualists and the people who are just crazy, we can pretty much account for the whole WN “character” problem.
If HAC’s message to White People were: Move away from the dark folk to the PNW, and someday, without effort or risk on your part, HAC will hand you an all-white subdivision that you will never have to move away from again, he would be flooded with people. Unfortunately, nothing could be done with them.
Greg Johnson wrote:
This is singularly important. People gave their all, including their lives, fleeing a collapsed economy, to follow Brigham Young.
This proved sincerity, and motivation, in the fulfillment of a transcendental purpose. Enough of them moved all their energy in ONE direction, and the Mormons seem rather successful, today.
Effective organizations require a probationary period, until you can join The Team.
A new, parallel system of organized spirituality, is worth considering.
The “Pagan” North offered primal Masculine vitality to a soft, failing Christianity.
“On the practical side: how does the insurrectionist movement plan to deal with competing visions for secession, or in other words, win the hearts and minds of the people?”
What we’re TRYING to do along that line is build a visibly better mousetrap. Not doing so as fast or as well as I would like, but at least the effort is being made.
“Yes, it is a paradox: the more homogeneously white a population, the less racially aware it is.”
This is huge source of hope. The system is working its ass off to bring about the conditions by which our race will evolve, ( i.e. awaken or die).
How could we ask for more? Jews may really prove be our Light Unto Nations in this inverted sense.
Yes, I have known many Americans who have been awakened to racial consciousness by the best multicultural, multiracial efforts of the regime.
My real fear with secession is a repeat of 1861. I’d love to hear what other posters here think about that.
If, for example, Texas secedes and begins to succeed on its own, what’s to stop the rest of the herd from getting envious and invading, using their greater numbers and wealth to triumph?
Brett:
Texian Secession is political kabuki. Good entertainment, but New Aztlan wins the vote. The former head of Census said Texas is over, for the Anglos.
Texian Secession serves the Inner Party, as it provides the idea that Something Is Happening, and keeping people’s efforts from where they will be effective.
A parallel social order, peacefully withdrawing the consent of the governed, is feasible, more effective, and much more work.
Still waiting for someone to describe the world of their grandchildren in 2050 if they do nothing, and if they do.
Explaining why they did nothing?
Priceless.
Focus Northwest
“If, for example, Texas secedes and begins to succeed on its own, what’s to stop the rest of the herd from getting envious and invading, using their greater numbers and wealth to triumph?”
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, “Freedom’s Sons” is being written to deal with just this kind of scenario.
Douglas Mackinnon, wise, practiced, political expert, wrote “America’s Last Days.”
It ends with the 1776 Command controlling weapons, demanding a new nation formed from Wyoming and Montana. One of the weapons goes off, and the wish is granted.
Read that slowly.
The minute an all-White state was formed, no matter how desolate it seemed, you’d have to jump out of the way of the greatest migration in US history.
Focus Northwest
Once again I request that all detractors of the NWF concept ALSO provide us with your solution to our imminent demise. It’s easy to critique any concept, now provide us with your wise solution?
I tend to blow off simple criticisms.. we are the race that stood on the moon and have far flung survey probes heading out of our solar system as I type this.. we are problem solvers, inventors.. or have the jews beaten you down so far morally that you’ve lost hope in our potential destiny? That destiny is lost to us if we merely sit and kibbutz at the only going solution. If you have a better one we are all ears..
The solution is for us to get enough WN in a given county to at least elect and control the Sheriff, county commissioners, etc…The biggest obstacle from what I can see is economic. People want “jobs”. I don’t blame them, I want jobs too! But what I’m seeing between the lines is, people are too spoiled and not willing to give up their cushy jobs and lifestyle to make the territorial imperative a reality.
I agree that carving out a white homeland is essential for racial survival, but it is not going to happen until we separate ourselves cognitively as a people. The vast majority of whites are under the “consensus trance” and the only way they are going to snap out of that trance is through interaction with non-whites. Once we define ourselves cognitively, emotionally, and historically we can mobilize a force of racially aware people and direct their energies accordingly. After our movement achieves self-ignition we can select, develop and train racial leaders. Hell, we might decide to go to Canada or Alaska or New Zealand or Australia instead of the Northwest. We will never achieve anything until we are able to separate ourselves mentally; the jews have maintained a separate culture among non-jews for thousands of years. A sizable element of our people must identify themselves as victims; that is the only way to mass-mobilization. Lofty rhetoric and appeal to idealism will never work; people are motivated by grievances, suffering and greed. Naturally, there will be a trickle of whites who move out to the Northwest over the next several decades, but they will be stranded in a liberal milieu as one poster pointed out. There was an excellent article posted on “The Occidental Quarterly” by Yggdrasil titled “The Shape of the Future” which addresses cognate issues relevant to mass migration, also read Baird Peterson’s “Succession is a Bad Idea for Whites.” Finally, some of us must stay behind for intelligence purposes and to throw monkey wrenches into the jews’ abattoir. It took 2,000 years for jews to subjugate whites; it might take another 2,000 years before we are free. Adolf Hitler’s National Socialist Germany was the “last” easy route to racial survival; it will “never” be that easy for us again.
Jeff (1):
Perfect analysis. Your key points, with (comments).
1. Cognitive separation as a people – (a Race).
2. The “consensus trance” can only be overcome by dealings with non-whites. (Indoctrination, and tranquilizers, work to cripple us.)
3. Self-cognition in all realms allows us to see clearly, and act accordingly. (A new Christianity can work miracles.)
4. Victimization must be transformed into the foundation of empowerment.
5. Citations from other websites. (Off-topic, and/or already dealt with.)
6. “…it will ‘never’ be that easy for us again.” (No. It will be BETTER. Ask your grandchildren in 2050.)
In reply to item 5, the two articles mentioned, address issues inherent in the Northwest scenario, so they are not off-topic. In reply to item 6, I was not inferring that we are doomed, only that the road is more difficult now. Once our mass movement starts (and it will) no force on earth can stand against us. We will prevail, but there will be many years of suffering ahead, years which are essential to creating any successful movement. Your assertion that things will be better by 2050 is overly optimistic; we will still be at the beginning of a long and danger fraught journey. I do not have my copy of “Imperium” handy, but I believe Yockey stated that it would take 200 years of continuous warfare to establish a white homeland in eastern Russia and the Ukraine. Of course Yockey held out no hope for whites of northern America, but I still do.
Jeff (2):
I do not assert things will get better by 2050; quite the contrary.
I asked everyone to write a letter to their grandchildren to be opened in the year 2050, describing the world around them today, and what they think the world looks like for their grandchildren, and what they DID to make that Better World a reality for their Posterity.
No one did, and there’s a reason for that.
A meritocratic aristocracy is being formed, even as we speak.
Where to start?
Send money to counter-currents, to keep this vital conversation going.
DO BETTER
Focus Northwest
“I agree that carving out a white homeland is essential for racial survival, but it is not going to happen until we separate ourselves cognitively as a people.”
You hit the nail on the head. You just said in one sentence what I have been raving on and on about on Radio Free Northwest for the past year.
Nothing that is truly good is easy. Lead and our people will follow. Talk means little and we have analyzed the situation to death for 50 + years with no real world results!
Without a plan, even a plan that may indeed change later, no one will follow!
There are signs of White resistance all over the country. This happened in New Jersey just hours ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOeVS_mJAU4
Definitely, there is White Resistance all over the country, and speaking of that, the Northwest Front just made the paper.
http://www.thetimesherald.com/article/20110424/NEWS01/104240330/1002/White-supremacist-fliers-distributed
Forgot to add.. we do not have 2,000 years. We don’t even have 50 years before we are virtually genocided..and long before that it will be too late due to simple demographics. In 39 years Europe will be a Muslim Republic and a few years later North America will be Greater Atzlan! Wake the hell up while there is yet time!
If you are talking to me, you do not know how much time we have! If you believe that the answer lies in the Northwest; by-all-means take-off in that direction and count the number of those who follow. Myself, I believe that the increasing danger will unite whites. You wake the hell up while there is still time and quit making personal attacks against other posters! You display an asinine hubris that you have all the answers; fatalism and personal attacks serve nothing. The more you rant; the more people you alienate.
“Sorry” to hurt your little internet feelings but what I said is absolutely true.. Europe will go under in less than 39 years and here in the States we are at most 55% of the population.. and falling fast. There is a point in demographic time where it is impossible to recover a population in the face of enemy invasion
We’ve lost Texas and California already and no one “united” to stave it off, they whimpered and moaned and went back to the potato chips and beer
http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/archives/2011/02/texas_demograph.html
As to you, you are never going to come Home so if I offend you I lose nothing. As Harold says revolutionaries are often not nice people. I am an equal opportunity offender so deal with it
Yeah, but the thing of it is, you *aren’t* a revolutionary. Nothing, not one damn thing, in the act of moving to Washington or Oregon or Idaho, is revolutionary in political sense. Packing a moving van, moving to bluetopia, and vacating yet one more living space for non-whites, is NOT STRIKING BACK. It’s NOT administering discomfort to the collective entity that is hurting us. It’s NOT even a manifest act of protest. And if I’m wrong, you tell me exactly how.
There is nothing about the Northwest Imperitive, other than the name, that is exclusive to that region, and could not be accomplished in other, already whiter and more racially conservative parts of the country, and you know what I’m talking about.
Chris:
This is why the Northwest Republic Analytical Model uniquely succeeds.
Can’t move there, physically? Build and become its living foundation, in your Mind.
Your idea of “revolution” fails, just as it did for The Order. Proof?
My challenge: writing diary entries for your grandchildren in 2050, describing what they see, and what they WOULD be seeing, if you did nothing.
NO ONE has accepted.
THAT, the most effective revolution of all, is much more difficult than robbing armored cars.
Much more effective, too.
“Apple pie, strictly legal,” and VNN/F “Hugh’s” “A World View.”
The (Adult, Metapolitical!) Way Forward.
In 2050, assuming that civilization still functions to the extent that the Gregorian calender is used to mark the passage of time, I would be 73. I cannot, for the life of me, even begin to realistically imagine what anything will be like at that point, since present circumstances throughout the world are becoming less stable with each passing day. But since I’m biting, why don’t you first define, and in explicit terms, what exactly is “doing nothing”? Because the impression I’m getting, is that anything other than unbridled enthusiasm for the Northwest Impertive, anything like, say, simply working hard and being dependable for your family and community, and having a plan of preparedness in the face of abrupt national disorder and violence, is automatically dismissed as “doing nothing”. I think you really want people to write out diary entries, to try and manuever them into betraying a guarantee that everything will have since gone to hell, and you can then say, ” Look how your grandchildren are suffering, all because you didn’t move northwest ! See how they curse you!” or some such. Well that’s ridiculous. Neither you, or I, or anyone present, can speak with certainty about what is to come, despite whatever paranoid, gloomy, statistics documents you happen to dig up and link. So please tell me what is “doing nothing”? Speaking for myself, and going out on a limb and speculating the same of every other racially-lucid, level-headed white person in this country, I PROMISE that we are doing EVERYTHING we can, to keep body and soul togethor under these circumstances. Just because I don’t agree with your course of action doesn’t mean that I am without one.
And for the record, no, I didn’t suggest Order-style pseudo-guerilla tactics. In fact, it’s actually yourself and Mr. Covington who are doing that, indirectly through his novels, which he unabashedly uses as vehicles to inspire northwest migration. What I said, is that MOVING TO ANOTHER, LESS-WHITE, LESS RECEPTIVE, MORE-LIBERAL, U.S. STATE, IS NOT AN ACT OF REVOLUTION. AT ALL. And it’s unethical and disengenuous to promote that as such, or use scare-tactics about demographics (We’ve lost California and Texas? Really, Steve? There’s not a single white person left in either state? Well damn.) to leverage people into doing what you want them to.
Again, I’ll be happy to write those two entries, but first I want to hear your definition of “doing nothing”.
Refresh my senile memory. Seems to be I posted the Four Phases of the Butler Plan on here a few weeks back. Did I? Don’t want a repetition of my FS gaffe on Thoughtcrime where I re-posted a chapter I’d forgotten I already posted once.
Chris:
“Doing nothing” lets the status quo continue.
The 2050 focus forces clarification of an End Game, and how what we DO will led to Something Better.
Looking after your family is great. Mere survival, however, is merely survival.
THEN WHAT?
Growth requires the disciplined, focused use of Force to expand.
YOUR focus was on the inappropriate use of force:
Covington only discusses force as fiction, limited strictly to self-defense, in an “All-American, apple pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)
“Myself, I believe that the increasing danger will unite whites.”
Jeff, you may be right. I hope so. But do we see any sign that this is in fact occurring on any level significant enough to produce results. Whites don’t just need increasing danger, they need a workable and comprehensible IDEA to coalesce behind when the little light bulb finally does go on over their pumpkin heads.
“Myself, I believe that the increasing danger will unite whites.”
Jeff, you may be right. I hope so. But do we see any sign that this is in fact occurring on any level significant enough to produce results? Whites don’t just need increasing danger, they need a workable and comprehensible IDEA to coalesce behind when the little light bulb finally does go on over their pumpkin heads.
Trainspotter:
I don’t think it requires discussion, as I perceive no one pushing the idea that non-writers, artists and intellectuals have nothing to contribute. A major part of this dispute, in my opinion, is over how the non-intellectuals/artists should contribute. Only HAC has answered this question with anything other than generalities.
Lew: “I don’t think it requires discussion, as I perceive no one pushing the idea that non-writers, artists and intellectuals have nothing to contribute.”
There has definitely been an attempt to smear intellectual work in the service of white nationalism as unimportant, if not cowardly.
Lew: ” A major part of this dispute, in my opinion, is over how the non-intellectuals/artists should contribute.”
I don’t know of anyone who has attacked non-intellectuals and artists. The issue was a smear job against intellectuals, the one segment of our movement that has been making strides and establishing a much greater presence in recent years. Clearly, there are people who don’t like that.
I’m concerned that something similar will happen with the Northwest idea, leading to an unnecessary breach and bitterness. The Northwesters will have strong incentive to attack those who have different plans, whether they are intellectuals or not. It will be very tempting, but if they are smart they will avoid it, or at least keep it moderate. There is a difference between saying “My way is the best way, so join me” versus engaging in demoralizing and damaging internecine conflict. This is open source, and synergy is an asset.
@ John Morgan
I share some of your concerns, though I come to a rather radical conclusion. Hence my “all or nothing” or “in for a penny, in for a pound” point of view.
Which is another way of saying that either the current System goes, or at least is reduced to a rump state that can no longer entertain imperial ambition, or it is unlikely that we’ll get a homeland on this continent. As long as the United States is able to effectively marshal the resources of most of the continent, it is very difficult to envision them letting us go. They hate and despise us like no other. They would let almost anybody go before us. I truly believe that they would give the Northwest to a foreign power such as China before they would let us go.
The reality is that it’s either us or them. In for a penny…
I hope I’m wrong about that, but I don’t find it particularly discouraging. The reason is that I remain optimistic that the System itself will weaken to the point where it will enter the dustbin of history, and I don’t think it’s going to take all that much longer for it to happen. It’s utterly unsustainable, and running off the tracks right before our eyes. It seems hopelessly unable to reform itself.
I’m thinking a decade or two, not generations, and it could well be sooner. It’s entirely possible that we could have serious secessionist movements coming to life in the fairly near future, movements that could de facto gut the System, not just try to slice off a piece. If the PNW people (or whoever) get their act together, that would be the window of opportunity. Itz coming, whether we are ready or not.
Lew: “I don’t think it requires discussion, as I perceive no one pushing the idea that non-writers, artists and intellectuals have nothing to contribute.”
Trainspotter: “There has definitely been an attempt to smear intellectual work in the service of white nationalism as unimportant, if not cowardly.”
If the long battle of “HW versus the intellectuals” is what you are referring to here, it is not what I had in mind with that remark. Let me clarify. I meant no one in this discussion is pushing the idea that non-writers, non-artists and non-intellectuals have nothing to contribute, or the reverse, that intellectuals have nothing to contribute. I take it for granted that everyone here agrees that both groups can and must contribute, that the two groups are complementary and reinforcing groups, and that their activities are not mutually exclusive.
That said, I do think drawing a distinction between the tiny few who are qualified to do serious metapolitical work (credentialed, academically trained intellectuals, fiction writers, screen writers, artists, etc.) and everyone else who is NOT qualified to do serious metapolitical work is an important distinction. If we grant that metapolitics is most important, then it’s obvious what the tiny few should be doing, and they’re doing it. As you said, they’re doing it here, at Alt Right and at TOO.
Where no one seems to be able to agree is on how the vast majority of people who are not qualified to directly contribute to a cultural shift should be spending their time while the tiny few who are qualified do their work.
This is where the movement continues to spin its wheels with the result being a seemingly unending generation of words instead of action. That at least is my perception.
Thanks for the clarification. Apparently we were talking past one another to a degree.
Lew: “Where no one seems to be able to agree is on how the vast majority of people who are not qualified to directly contribute to a cultural shift should be spending their time while the tiny few who are qualified do their work.”
Maybe we’re still talking past one another a bit. I would reiterate that the cultural shift is not exclusively the domain of the tiny few. Not at all. Much of the spread of our ideas will be from the bottom up, whether from one on one conversations in the real world or making comments on other internet sites, to a thousand other things. Everyone can and should participate, in whatever way they are best situated to contribute. This is the one thing everybody should be able to agree upon, if nothing else. It’s the one thing that everybody can do, in one way or another, regardless of their personal circumstances (not good at writing or talking to people – well, write a check).
I’ve made it clear that the relatively few intellectuals that we have are the most important men alive today. But ultimately, it will be the artist who spreads our vision through fiction and music and other mediums.
The attack on “intellectuals” was, fundamentally, dishonest and misleading. As I’ve said, everybody can and should participate in the spread of our ideas, not just the tiny few.
The real division is over what nuts and bolts things should be done – pursue the PNW idea, engage in electoral politics, infiltrate existing organizations, form micro communities, etc. You’re absolutely right, there is no consensus on these things. In my view, there isn’t going to be a consensus, and there doesn’t really need to be.
For example, there isn’t going to be a “consensus” on the Northwest plan, or working for the A3P, or forming a micro community in Utah. None of these plans are compelling enough to get everybody on board. On the other hand, none of these plans require everybody to be on board. Those who believe in a plan can pursue it, and if they demonstrate some level of success, they’ll get more supporters. Success attracts support. There is no need to engage in internecine conflict. Instead, show people.
I have to say that, in my view, until we’ve managed to spread our ideas further into the white population, most nuts and bolts plans are going to achieve very limited success. Until we prepare the ground, not much will grow in it. But to each his own. I’m not going to rain on anybody’s parade, unless I perceive what they are doing as extremely foolish, dishonest or in bad faith.
We are in a certain stage right now (idea spreading), and we aren’t going to be able to skip it – but I would love to be proven wrong. I just doubt that I will be.
@ “I’ve made it clear that the relatively few intellectuals that we have are the most important men alive today. But ultimately, it will be the artist who spreads our vision through fiction and music and other mediums.”
The other medium is oratory, starting perhaps in the underground of YouTube. I’d love to see Covington’s radio podcasts transferred to video. But we’d need a real artist to do the recording and to finance the project. IMHO Covington’s style has more chances to touch a public fiber than Duke’s far more temperate videos.
I believe that not only is this country ours but this whole planet is ours as well. However, I do recognize that we need to start somewhere obviously and I think that the Northwest would be key in building a White homeland. For instance, as has been pointed out, New England would be too small to build one and yes there are wealthy snobs there but not all. The South (especially the “Black Belt” states) I don’t think would be a good idea. While I don’t support the territorial fragmentation of America, if we look at demographics alone, we can know where to start building. It is our duty to spread our White Racial Loyalist message to as many Whites as we can. If our efforts are concentrated in a area, and area where we all live, an area that we intend to build a White Homeland in, I believe that we can have (and will have) a lot of success. We’ve tried the old ways for 50 years, time for something new.
Great concluding point:
“We’ve tried the old way for fifty years, time for something new.”
Why do you suppose, post-Rockwell, organizationally, NOTHING worked?
It’s almost as if WNist “Leaders” created false flags, stopping us from focusing on effectiveness for our Race.
Look to the past, adopting archaic forms – robes, brownshirts?
Effect – laughingstock.
Look to the future, withdraw the consent of the governed, building parallel social structures, building a new People, a Racial Homeland, in an “apple-pie, strictly legal, sort of way?” (HT: Jim Giles)
Effect – Ask your grandchildren in 2050.
Focus Northwest
Fascinating discussion!
My wife and I have been discussing where we want to move (the shifting demographics here are making this necessary), and the racial makeup of our destination is the single largest consideration.
Regarding the politics of the PNW, I did live in Portland, and my experience was that once out of the lefty epicenter of the city, the outlying areas were just as, if not more, conservative as the South, where I grew up. (My car notoriously displayed a large Confederate flag–this once initiated an interesting conversation with a resident of the Morrison area, hippie central–this guy actually sympathized with the CSA! With some more talk, his racial realist views came out.)
Anecdotes do not equal data, so I must say that I don’t really know how much things have changed there in the last fifteen years.
This plan does sound feasible–I share some of the reservations of previous posters, but where I am now, I’m powerless to stop the influx of Hispanics and the ghettoization of my town. With some time, effort, and sacrifice, this plan could at least establish a starting point.
Maybe I’m still a bit idealistic, but optimism and action appeal more to me than cynicism and inertia.
Slowly we are building up a structure of regional guides/greeters and others on the ground up here. HAC can put you in contact
Rev.Wayne.. if you’re Identity there are a lot of us up here, already
Eight months ago, the new English-language television network, Russia Today, did an interview with Patrick J. Buchanan, entitled “U.S. is Being Broken up Deliberately.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufwIwMchCbs
Buchanan says the world is fracturing along racial and ethnic lines, and that multi-racial and multi-ethnic nation-states, including the U.S., will follow the trend we have seen with the break-up of the old Soviet Union and the dissolution of Yugoslavia. This certainly suggests that some in the American intelligentsia realize that a concept like the Northwest Territorial Imperative could really appeal on a mass level to millions of white people in the U.S., and that, perhaps, the realization of this idea is even inevitable.
“…and that, perhaps, the realization of this idea is even inevitable.”
Oh, I doubt very much that our masters envision any homeland for us. As has been pointed to above, they’d sooner give land to China than Whites. We are their battered wives, their white slaves, their plough horses, their consumer drones, and in a perverted way, their scapegoats. To give us a square mile of land would ideologically destroy the FEAR that underlies those relationships.
But remember… (this is for Fourmyle of Ceres)
“Worker bees can leave
Even drones can fly away
The queen is their slave”
Mike
FWM:
Their fear is that we leave, and take what ONLY we can do – create, build, and sustain Civilization – with us.
That’s why black politicians are trying desperately to annex White suburbs; they say it’s taxation fairness for better schools, but they REALLY want what makes the better schools better.
Good!
By Withdrawing The Consent of The Governed, they learn more in home-schooling, more effectively. The first home-schooler curriculum for IPADs wins!
The second generation creates the Northwest Republic, starting where they are. In time, certainly, Taking The Gap.
In 2050, what’s outside YOUR grandchildren’s bedroom window?
Why?
Of course, we Withdraw The Consent of The Governed in an “All-American, apple pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)
We knew that all along, of course.
Parallel institutions, parallel governance.
VNN/F’s “Hugh” outlines why this is so important, and how to begin, in the A World View thread.
Focus Northwest
“I doubt very much that our masters envision any homeland for us.”
Good thing we have no intention of asking their permission, then, eh?
To those who responded to my post…
Chechar: Thanks for your comments. I hope you’re right but I see most Whites, both in North America and Western Europe, as pretty far gone. There seems to be cause for greater hope in Eastern Europe, where people seem less ethnomasochistic and more prone to idealism/spirituality. Thanks for letting me know about my namesake in Mr. Covington’s NW Quartet – I intend to start reading it soon, even if it leads to my own demise. :^)
Fourmyle of Ceres: I absolutely agree with you but Mr. Covington and others are talking as if a collapse is imminent. It might be, I don’t deny it, but no one can know with any certainty. Personally I think it’s going to be a much more gradual process. But we’ll see. Anyway, if a collapse IS imminent, then the metapolitical approach is not going to have enough time to work before the collapse happens. The process you’re discussing would take decades, at least. Lifetimes, most likely. Do we have that long? And look at GRECE in Europe, they’ve been talking about metapolitics since 1968 but they’ve been content to veer off into pure academicism and the realm of pure theory. I’m not saying to abandon the metapolitical approach but we should also consider the possibility that it’s too late for that now.
Steve the Elder: I don’t oppose the NW idea, I hasten to add, I just question its feasibility. My own contingency plan would be to construct farm-based communities that are self-sustaining in as many remote areas around the world as possible. Preferably based on some form of spirituality since the most powerful movements are always based on God/gods, and those who understand that they are servants of God are willing to endure and achieve much more than those who don’t and they receive God’s blessings. As soon as possible people should begin moving to these communities. There should be nothing illegal happening in them, no plans for revolution (although of course weapons for self-defense are a must), just simply refuges for people to avoid the corrosive effects of our present-day culture and from where they can ride out a future collapse. Since 99% of the rest of the Western world will be unprepared, those in these communities will naturally be in a position of power once the oil-based economy has gone the way of the Dodo, and they will have their faith to bolster themselves. I’m not saying they should cut themselves off from the surrounding world completely before the collapse, perhaps some people will even continue to have jobs on the outside, but things will be prepared when the sh** really hits the fan. This circumvents the whole issue of trying to seize control of a piece of territory and having to fight out with the powers-that-be, leaving much more energy and resources free to construct a new way of life. And, free of modern life, the people in these communities will learn the skills they’ll need to rebuild civilization in the aftermath, and become people of much greater character in the process than those individuals who are mere by-products of consumer culture.
I hope that we do have enough time for metapolitics (both idea spreading and community building) to take root and produce results before the system falls apart. My greatest fear is that the end will come too soon, before we are in a position to benefit from it.
That’s a very legitimate concern, one that I share. Yet I suspect that what we’re looking at is a drawn out process, something that could fairly be named “The Long Emergency” a la Kunstler.
As this process develops, the very real conflicts of interest between races will become more and more apparent. Non-whites disproportionately benefit from fully funded government programs and wealth transfers, whereas whites bear the burden. This in a long term context of shrinking resources and promises – important promises – that must be regularly broken. It is pretty much guaranteed that the coming strains will have racial fault lines, if only implicity at first.
Whether it is the white ox being gored in our political system (likely) or the non-white one, somebody is going to lose. Big . It is a matter of simple math the the current System cannot keep the promises that it has made. It will have to pick and choose in order to keep the wolf away from the door – but the wolf will come just the same, precisely because of the picking and choosing. It has to. Hopefully we can show our people a way out of a completely unsustainable situation.
John:
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I do not see an immediate Collapse taking place, but you can see it, inexorably, in microcosm, in the absence of the White Race. Detroit? Los Angeles?
I do see plateauing down, suddenly falling off a cliff, and another, gradual plateauing down, until a new foundation is formed, that can Rebuild and Renew, from Higher Ground.
My request for diary entries for your grandchildren in 2050 are to focus people on where they want to be, and what they must do, to get there.
What do THEY see outside their bedroom window?
Are you proud of that?
Hello sir.. you said:
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Steve the Elder: I don’t oppose the NW idea, I hasten to add, I just question its feasibility. My own contingency plan would be to construct farm-based communities that are self-sustaining in as many remote areas around the world as possible.
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My response.. it won’t work.. did you see what happened to the Branch Davidians? More on topic for pure white separatists..the FLDS Mormons? ZOG will never leave small white groups alone no matter how remote, even semi-pacifist ones, they must be destroyed. Add to the mix that you would be surrounded by dangerous non whites. The only real safety for us is in our own nation with our own military and surrounded by our own people. if that place was for instance, New Zealand I would be headed there, but as HAC says history, demographics and IMO our native RKBAs dictates the PNW as the best place to try it
There is no reason why that powerful but small nation could not later expand to retake sectors of the rotted ZOG Matrix. Look what tiny Germany almost accomplished against the entire world
What is RKBAs ? I’m new to the White Nationalist community and do not know all the anacronyms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=RKBA&fulltext=Search
Thanks for your contribution.
Thanks
Thanks.
Is there any doubt that the United States, in the not to distance future, is going to break into pieces? Russia Jew Dmitry Orlov (whom I assume has US citizenship) writes about this in his book “Reinventing Collapse”: http://www.amazon.com/Reinventing-Collapse-Example-American-Prospects/dp/0865716064
Orlov claims that the US is going to collapse has did the USSR and I might add for the same reasons; the old USSR and present America was/is run by the Jews.
Here are a people, the Jews, who are congeniality incapable, mainly because of their parasitic nature, learned or otherwise, of creating and maintaining a civilization on their own. And when they get their hands on a culture/civilization created by othes it eventually turns to dust. History is full of examples.
Other than a handfull of Whites in the Western Culture, most Whites can’t get it through their thick skulls, that these very special self-chosen are cultural destroyers as I think it was Samuel Roth said they were several years ago in his little book “Jews Must Live”.
The point is, this country is going to fall apart no matter what we do or don’t do as WN.
HAC has laid out, as have others, what WN’s must do to prepare for the collapse.
Also, WN’s must make it clear to non-whites that if they expect to have a piece of the post collapse pie, for their own self interest, what ever that may be, that they’d best allow the formation of a Whites only republic in the Pacific NW. Why? Because if the Whites in America ever get their act together and are successful in carving out a NW Republic, and the non-whites get into their tiny brains including the bigger brained Jews, that they don’t like it and try to do something about it, then they will come to know and feel what the rage of the Keltic-Tutonic warrior is all about. You leave us alone and we’ll leave you the fuck alone.
I’m I getting ahead of myself? Maybe so. But has been said before in this little debate,
before physical separation there must be psycological separation. Thought precedes action. What this means, whether we like it or not, this country is going down the tubes.
And if all possible each one of us must psycologically separate ourselves in all ways from this dying culture and prepare accordingly.
We here in Ontario Canada have stolen, unashamedly, parts of HC’s plan. But with what is called The Haliburton Plan. Here in cottage country, Ontario, Canada. ( Those with cottages, main residences scattered throughout cental, east and west Ontario. ) They flee from the fleas on weekends and holdidays, mainly from multicult Toront, and smaller cities. These cottagers live in the mud mix 5 days per week, say from April til October, weekending time up here, 2 & 1/2 hours from Toronto (120 miles). They are fairly affluent, else not own cottages.
They are too aware of the mess, living with it most of the time. As it gets worse, more and more are moving to their cottages full time. More legal hunters up here than anywhere else in Canada (full time hillbillies). With the various segments up here, we really will make Harold’s plan work, but in our backyard, not his. Haliburton County is massive, with a population of only 17,000 full time, then tripled with cottagers counted. Very few non white, but as said, the cottagers come up to escape, so they certainly know the score.
Come off it John. It’s the cottage country types that brought in multicult and persecuted anyone that spoke against it.
After much headline publicity screaming at me very recently in the loser rags, the cottagers still hire me to do work in my job. Hmmmmmm.
I am a (financial) supporter of the Northwest migration and a future White NorthWest Republic.
Mr. Covington has done a good job describing in practical ways why a White NorthWest Republic is the best hope for our people and given current trends, it is not just a fantasy/dream that the anti White ZOG American Empire might break down and break up, like the Soviet Empire, British Empire, Roman Empire and all multi cultural/multi racial empires eventually break down and break up. We need to hope for some piece of North America as we will never get all or most of America from sea to shining sea.
And from my perspective, it doesn’t really matter if the Northwest Republic is only a fantasy dream at this date. Our people need hope, we need myths – something to yes – dream about for a romanticized, idealized White future – some place away from where we are now in this Kali Yuga.
I think the NorthWest migration, a future White NorthWest Republic has very many similarities to the Zionist dream of a Jewish state in the Middle East. Who would believe a Jewish Zionist state would ever come about in the year 1910? The place was ruled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, the place inhabited by Arabs – well big things happened and this dream came about.
The North West migration, the dream of a White NorthWest Republic – it’s something like White Zionism and I don’t have a problem with that. All of the problems listed in this thread can not stop a dream, myth that takes hold of a people and like the Zionist dream for a Jewish state in Israel, this dream of a place of our own, somewhere in a beautiful, healthy land will give hope to Whites living in all places in the world – in Dixie, some housing estate with nasty Pakistanis just down the block in Merry Old England and to Whites on the South Side of Chicago.
Those people objecting to the NorthWest Republic under the grounds that Whites in the Pacific NorthWest have liberal views about Blacks, non Whites – there is an easy solution to this:
Have the non racialist Whites in the Pacific Northwest spend some time on the S.S. of Chicago, in Haiti, Uganda, St. Louis – this seems to do the trick, it did for Kevin Macdonald. Abraham Lincoln had very sound, sensible views about relations between Blacks and Whites after slavery was ended, he got these sensible racial views by getting in to face to face, fighting contact with Blacks in his youth.
So, yes – I support the NorthWest migration and a White Northwest Republic. It’s something to look forward to, something to give us hope, give us a reason to go forward.
Keep the faith everyone or instead:
start dreaming and living your life to realized this great dream.
14 Words.
JR: “And from my perspective, it doesn’t really matter if the Northwest Republic is only a fantasy dream at this date. Our people need hope, we need myths – something to yes – dream about for a romanticized, idealized White future – some place away from where we are now in this Kali Yuga.”
You are absolutely right about this. That’s what is so important about what Covington has done.
I’m well traveled within the U.S. and have lived in the PNW for the last few decades; Boise, Spokane, Seattle, Portland, and finally Springfield, OR. The inland portions are mostly White and conservative. The west coast, particularly the major urban centers, are liberal with a noticeable Asian populating giving them an ambience of cosmopolitanism.
We’ve got a lot of wide open space out here, partially because the Bureau of Land Management owns so much of it. Because its public land, and not privately held, it has a sense of being “ours”. You can drive out into the countryside and pull off the road without encountering all the fences and No Trespassing signs you encounter in other parts of the country.
Committed WN’s are few and far between in this massive area, but we are beginning to network to maximize our sense of community. HACs efforts have been, and continue to be helpful to many of us, in galvanizing this effort.
I don’t like saying its the “the only way”, but I have to admit it’s done more good for us than anything else I could name offhand, and I’ll try to lend a hand to anyone who wants to check it out with a scouting trip.
I might also like to add that anybody who is a true supporter of David Lane and even The Order for that matter, believes in the Northwest Territorial Imperative of a White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest. Anybody with the strength of their convictions would thus be willing to move to the Northwest or “Come Home” so to speak. Indeed, one of the main ideas of White Nationalism in general is the building of a White nation or White nations plural and anybody making claim to the title but not willing to support the idea of building an all-White nation (especially in the Northwest) isn’t truly a WN in totality.
Reverend:
Ironically, Mathews BEGAN with the idea of NWR ethnocommunities!
Those who sense what The Order was really up to, before they fell prey to the misguided thinking of Others, must ask the question no other WNists answered:
“If you accomplish what you say, THEN WHAT?”
Those who are against “X” can’t answer the question:
“If ‘X’ is removed from the face of the Earth, THEN WHAT?”
Mathews’ (and Lane’s!) original, “All-American, apple pie, strictly legal,” solution’s metasolution?
The Northwest Republic.
Ask your grandchildren in 2050 what THEIR choice would be, for US, for THEM.
“THEN WHAT?”
Focus Northwest.
Rev., I have been corresponding with Gary Yarbrough of The Order for a while now and I have no idea of his thoughts on the founding of the NorthWest Republic as to discuss such topics would only get him another extension to his already overly long sentence. His wife now runs http://garyyarbroughlegalfund.org/the-gary-yarbrough-legal-fund in an effort to achieve his release. As for myself I see no real harm in Whites congregating in any particular area of your country to secure a touch of our culture although I prefer Guillaume Faye’s dream of a North American block and a Greater European block stretching from “Brest to the Bearing Strait.” Faye quoted Nietzsche: Politics is only for those capable of having a broad, very broad view of tings.
On a slightly different note, David Duke has argued that we can ignite the revolutionary spark by finding a way to get our people into the streets for mass protests akin to what we saw at the collapse of the Berlin wall or in Egypt recently. If we do this, Duke argues that White police officers and White members of the military will come over to our side, and then once that happens Whites will have many options that do not currently exist for dealing with various problems.
Although this idea might be far-fetched, I’m not sure it is so far fetched it should be ruled out without discussion.
A lot of White police officers and White members of the military presumably care about seeing their families and children survive. They also see the realities of diversity often so I can’t help but wonder how many of them pay lip service to the “consensus trap” because they have to but don’t really believe a single word of it.
In the context of this video, it’s not clear to me if Duke is putting forward this idea as a serious proposal, or if he is suggesting something he knows very well to be impossible for rhetorical and emotional effect.
Still, I’m wondering if anyone thinks this idea is feasible and if so how would it be done?
The relevant statements are in this video from about 11:00 to 14:30 (the rest of the video is not germane; it’s just a recap of what everyone here already knows). In this passage, Duke gives his answer to question of “what is the solution”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTLB3wFM9nU
HAC and his supporters have repeatedly challenged people to suggest credible alternatives to his northwest migration plan.
So, FWIW, here is an alternative that has not yet been discussed.
In my experience, (I was not military or police, but EMS/fire) first-responder types, who have seen the true face of multiculturalism first hand, are likely to be easy converts.
My dad’s twenty years of police work eroded the 60s radical, lefty views he picked up in his youth.
My friends who had bricks and bottles thrown at their ambulances and fire trucks when they showed up in the projects–to help the residents!–learned quickly the ingrate nature of such people.
Seeing obese female applicants hired by the fire dept to fulfill a quota, leaving competent White men out of the picture destroyed many a young man’s faith in the equality myth taught them in school.
Duke is on to something here, and those of us who have contact with these types would do well to make some inroads now–I’ve been planting seeds where I can, at least subtly enough to keep off the radar of management (so far).
Back to the proposed initiative–the skill sets that military/police/EMS workers possess would be valuable to this hypothetical community, so recruiting such individuals could be framed as a win/win–they would both contribute and benefit from relocating (aside from the obvious need for more “boots on the ground”).
Duke is an excellent orator but he ignores the demographics I mentioned above and as a result his concept for a “peaceful” revolution is the very definition of rose colored glasses. Once we become a true minority (only a few years away now) the only viable survival option left to us is violence
We lost our opportunity for peaceful change decades ago when we had solid majorities. Today in the USA we are 55% (census says 62% but that is a farce, with at least 5 to 10% of the “white” numbers not actually white/caucasian) and falling fast, and many if not most of that number are race traitors and enemies. It’s pure fantasy to think that some sort of “peaceful” pro white revolution is going to happen now. The end of a multi cult empire is always a blood bath
Lew:
If Duke has done what VNN/F’s Hugh “A World View” thread suggests, instead of wearing brownshirts and satin robes, he’d Senator Duke. Whitaker says Duke is a political genius. Right man, wrong time. Duke has left American politics.
His “revolutions” weren’t spontaneous. They were meticulously planned, and brilliantly stage managed.
Russia’s managed “collapse,” to a sustainable, profitable ethnic homeland, is a perfect example for us.
About my letters to everybody’s grandchildren in 2050.
Is everyone’s silence born of overwhelming fear from putting the first sentence in writing?
Much less answering “What THEN?”
That’s why Covington is so important.
“On a slightly different note, David Duke has argued that we can ignite the revolutionary spark by finding a way to get our people into the streets for mass protests akin to what we saw at the collapse of the Berlin wall or in Egypt recently. If we do this, Duke argues that White police officers and White members of the military will come over to our side, and then once that happens Whites will have many options that do not currently exist for dealing with various problems.
Although this idea might be far-fetched, I’m not sure it is so far fetched it should be ruled out without discussion. ”
We can discuss it all we like. But will masses of Whites actually ever DO it?
Yeah, the Tea Party can pull a few thousand people together for rallies. But look at A) their median AGE, and B) their motivation–not racial, but financial. They’re basically a bunch of middle-aged and elderly White people , i.e. the last reserve of privately held real wealth in the country, who do not want that wealth seized and redistributed to blacks and Third World illegals via Obamacare. This is a reasonable complaint, of course, but their solution so far has been to vote Republican, hardly a realistic or effective response. I am astounded at how swiftly we have forgotten eight years of Jug-Ears Bush and his little Jewish friends.
Even though this is slightly off topic, even the American National Socialist Party appears to be embracing the White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest idea.
http://www.theansp.us/PAMPHLET.pdf
“Even though this is slightly off topic, even the American National Socialist Party appears to be embracing the White Homeland in the Pacific Northwest idea.”
Sure. The Northwest Front is by no means the only tendency within the Movement (usual disclaimers on that term) to advocate and practice Northwest Migration. The Homeland is for all of us.
“We need to hope for some piece of North America as we will never get all or most of America from sea to shining sea.”
I would never say never. When the Jews brought the Moors into Spain and the Spanish were pushed back to their northernmost mountains they never gave up on getting it all back eventually. I’m not convinced American-Americans won’t be able to get it all back as the US crumbles but even if there was a tactical retreat “all of it” needs to remain the end goal and by “all of it” i mean South America too.
Wandrin:
What was the metapolitical framework that kept the Castilian Aristocracy focused, disciplined and relentless for centuries?
Where can we get it?
Thanks.
Focus Northwest
Well the first step would be a rule saying “never say never” or a slogan “all of it” which doesn’t specify what it means but acts as a permanent reminder.
Wandrin:
I think it was the Duty of (Western) Christian Dominion.
The proximity of Islam provided a constant motivation.
They also focused on the development of a true aristocracy.
We’ll have to work on that, in the context of the metapolitical framework, in an “All-American, apple-pie, strictly legal, sort of way.” (HT: Jim Giles)
Lew,
” it’s not clear to me if Duke is putting forward this idea as a serious proposal, or if he is suggesting something he knows very well to be impossible for rhetorical and emotional effect. Still, I’m wondering if anyone thinks this idea is feasible and if so how would it be done?”
This kind of thing is standard in homogenous countries. If you can get a political movement going that threatens the power structure then eventually the power structure will attack it. If that political movement has enough support then it will have support inside the security forces too and if there’s enough then they’ll hold back from attacking and the regime crumbles. The revolutions among the old Warsaw Pact countries followed this pattern. You need some kind of mass movement first of course.
There’s an additional problem in a multi-ethnic context because if there was a White mass movement they felt threatened by and they didn’t think the White element of the security forces were reliable they’d try and create a non-white force they could use to kill us.
Of course they will use the non whites against us. HAC covered that in his novels. So what.. we are better fighters in every sense of the word
Is the solution to wait until our numbers drop even further and more darkies flood into our land?
Steve the Elder,
You make a great point that can’t be said often enough. The clock is running, and the tide of color continues to rise. I do agree with you that HACs critics keep ignoring this basic factor. Beyond a certain point, it will be too late to do anything. Getting into the particulars of these various ideas makes it very easy to miss the forest for the trees. People have said it that would be easy for the US military to crush a PNW insurgency. While this is probably true, in the context of the looming demographic avalanche, the regime will probably have an even easier time rounding up and killing individual and small groups of White dissidents. Given that White dissidents will be dispersed all over the country running around atomistically surrounded by non-Whites, they will be very easy pickings.
There is no clear answer here. Every idea seems to have serious and fatal flaws. I think we are going to need to catch a break at some point. Someone high up in the ruling class with a lot of money, power and influence might have to break ranks for Whites to have a chance.
“Someone high up……a lot of money….” . To me $$ is the missing link. We do not need to have someone with power, or influence. The power and influence in today’s world means tainted crap. BUT the money would do the trick. In “our” circles, and am using the “our” here very loosely, there are top quality people. Absolute top quality. How else could you be a responsible & serious White Advocate if you were not top quality.
Within our circles are people that can run rings around those currently holding power. Just give us the tools, and we will do the job. With loot given now, the core cadres in each city can be visited and stirred to even higher levels. Confidence draws. Ask any woman what she admires best about her man. When whites in general see we have complete confidence to the point of arrogance, they will flock to our cause. There will not be a need for any enclaves. There are thousands upon thousands of us “out there”. All that is missing is big money. Just watch us. The money will come sooner than we think. Promise !
John Beattie:
I agree 100%. WNists are never short on excellent ideas. We see it all the time across the WNist blogophere.
Racially aware folks are always saying “we need to do this, we need to do that, we should this, we should try that, if only we did this” and so on, over and over and over again.
99 times out of 100 it’s an excellent idea but one that requires physical proximity and money. Greg’s idea of creating a White American community center is a perfect example of this. It’s an outstanding idea that will never get off the ground without money and proximity.
Greg has also said (and I’m paraphrasing) “we are a tiny, despised, powerless and broke minority that attracts dysfunction and shoots itself in the foot by not demanding high quality leaders with integrity” — or something like that. That’s probably all true, but with big money the dysfunction does not matter. You can simply hire professionals to create the community center or the WNist version of RT.com and bypass the dysfunction.
So yeah, I agree. Big money would make a lot of presently intractable problems vanish overnight.
John:
You wrote:
“Big money” is nice.
A lot oflittle money, sent to counter-currents, is just as good; Hell, maybe better, as it depends on us doing what we CAN do, starting where we are.
That is the key to effectiveness.
Trainspotter:
Spreading ideas to “prepare the ground” is a nice metaphor, and I get your point, and I’m not disputing your point. But i think we need to remember that metaphors are a poor substitute for rigorous argument.
You said that the various “nuts and bolts” plans are likely to fail or achieve only modest success until we spread the right ideas. While this is certainly true, it’s also true for spreading ideas because spreading ideas is itself a plan with a “nuts and bolts” component.
And when you take this notion of spreading ideas out of the realm of metaphor, it’s a plan that crumbles under scrutiny at a practical level very quickly just like every other “nuts and bolts” plan.
So what does this notion of spreading ideas, art, a mythic vision or whatever mean at a practical level?
Who? When? How? Which ideas? Which art? What literature? Which myths? Greg’s ideas? KMD? Duke? Arno Breker? Paganism? Orthodox Christianity? Bob Whittaker? James Edwards? Some artistic vision not even invented yet but that might work if some artist invents it and we find a way to spread it without the benefit of mass media?
You see, just as there is no consensus on micro communities, infiltration, politics and these other “nuts and bolts” plans, there is no consensus on which ideas to spread and there never will be.
Let’s generously assume that there are 100,000 racially conscious White folks in the country committed enough to make a concerted daily and relentless effort to spread the pro-White ideas they deem important.
OK, so right away you’ve run into a serious problem in that 100,000 people will be spreading a mass of ideas that while pro-White in a general way, will also be largely inconsistent and confused (because no consensus will exist on which ideas are important enough to spread).
Furthermore, these 100,000 people will not have the benefit of mass media; what they will have is the power of word of mouth and personal interaction within their immediate peer circle and the Internet.
So let’s assume all 100,000 of these people are working constantly and diligently through word of mouth, linking pro-White videos on Facebook and You Tube, blasting Whittaker’s ideas in newspaper comments, driving traffic to CC and TOO, promoting the A3P as a form of metapolitics and doing every other thing that you mentioned. With 100,000 (purely hypothetical) people doing all of that, it will definitely have an effect. But whatever effect it may have will be no match for Hollywood, mass education and mass media blasting propaganda 24/7/365 to 310,000,000 people, while the power structure also continues to grind Whites down.
Meanwhile, the tide of color will continue to rise. And the US federal government might or might not weaken.
Again, I would reiterate I am not disputing the vital necessity of preparing the soil by every one of us doing as often as possible everything that you suggested. But there is little real evidence this approach has any greater chances of success than HACs hypothetical PNW insurgency.
Similar objections can be raised against other weak metaphors as well that sound good but lack specificity such as let 1000 flowers bloom and the notion that WNist efforts are akin to open source software development.
I’m not trying to be a wise guy. That’s just how I shake out on the ”spreading ideas” alternative to HACs plan. Reasonable people can certainly disagree.
Anyway, this will probably be my last comment until Mr. Covington returns to answer the many objections that have piled up here.
Lew, spreading ideas is not a metaphor. It’s simply a stage that any revolutionary movement has to go through. If you can figure out a way for us to skip it, then by all means, clue me in. But if you can’t, I’ll go by my understanding of the historical process, what I have observed in my own life, and what makes sense to me on an intuitive level.
How does any successful movement spread its ideas? There is no single answer to that. If you look historically at how such ideas spread, it is through a wide variety of means. So yes, it is “open source,” and that’s not really a metaphor either. That’s not dressing it up or playing games. It’s just how it is – unless and until some super wealthy benefactor steps in and funds everything in massive quantities – within HIS guidelines, of course. Until then, it’s going to come down to individuals and small groups trying things that they hope will be effective. Some will work, others will bomb. You gonna control all of these independent actors? Of course not. So yes, it’s open source. That’s just a fact, not a flowery phrase.
I’m describing a certain process. So leave the metaphors out if you wish, they are handy but not necessary.
Study the history of successful revolutionary movements. They used the tools at hand.
Right now, we have an obvious tool that they didn’t – the internet. We’ll see, but I think the internet is proving to be at least somewhat of a match for the mass media. It may still be David versus Goliath, but at least Goliath has an opponent today in a way that he really didn’t not so long ago. The internet is still in its infancy, and just because it hasn’t delivered a white homeland to us in a pretty blue ribbon doesn’t mean that it will prove insignificant. It’s an obvious tool for people in our situation to use. You don’t seem to believe that it will be decisive. I disagree. We’ll see who’s right in time.
As to the issue of consensus, that too will arise in time (at least somewhat), IF we are successful in spreading our ideas sufficiently. At a certain point, once enough people have embraced the idea of white survival (what’s “enough?” Like porn, we’ll know it when we see it), it is likely that some organizational efforts WILL start working. We can’t know at this time which one will stand out from the rest, but it is likely that one will. Maybe it will be a new David Duke. Maybe it will be something along the lines of the PNW. Who knows? A lot of that will depend on who does the best job of spreading their particular “subset” of the broader white nationalist idea. Right now, Covington has done more in that department than most due to the high quality of his fiction. That’s the only reason anybody gives a damn at all about the PNW idea – Covington breathed some life into it, and made it attractive.
You want specific answers in an enterprise where, currently, there aren’t any. That doesn’t mean that it’s all a joke, or all bs. It’s just the nature of the beast.
As a former libertarian activist, I have to say that a lot of purported white nationalists absolutely amaze me. Was there conflict and discord in the libertarian movement? Of course – tons of it and all the time. Libertarians probably compete nicely with white nationalists even in the kook quotient, though I suspect WN have them ultimately beat. But there was one thing in libertarian circles that I don’t remember EVER being argued: the necessity of spreading the libertarian message. That was a given. Of course, we all wanted our particular strain of libertarianism spread, but there was also an understanding that fellow travellers were helpful. There just wasn’t the internecine slaughter that so characterizes the white nationalist scene, at least not among the rank and file.
Whether it was the CATO Institute or the Libertarian Party, or just a college group, everybody did what they could to spread the ideas. How did it ultimately play out? Well, so far, its highest manifestation has been in Ron Paul and Rand Paul, and to a certain extent the Tea Party itself (corrupted by another group that has been tireless in promoting their, neocons).
Did we envision such a thing 20 years ago? Nope. I don’t think a single libertarian would have guessed that the biggest break would come in….Kentucky. Who’d a thunk it? We considered Alaska and New Hampshire, places like that. But that’s just not the way it worked out.
You can also learn a lot from ordinary conversations on the street. Twenty years ago, libertarian was a “weird” word. Many people thought libertarians were Larouchies, or just libertines. Back then, you never ran into random people describing themselves as libertarian. Now, it happens all the time. From weirdo Larouchie to semi-respectable and almost hipster. I’ve seen it with my own eyes.
Lew, the best thing I can tell you: get comfortable with the unknown, dude. That’s not a cop out either. The job of today is crystal clear. Spread the message. How? However you can. The rest will reveal itself in time.
Things are speeding up to the point where I doubt we’ll be in suspense for all that much longer. Could be wrong, but things look to be coming to a head over the next decade or so, maybe two. Enjoy the ride.
@ “There just wasn’t the internecine slaughter that so characterizes the white nationalist scene, at least not among the rank and file.”
This should be a source of major concern. It reminds me Covington’s term “GUBU” (Grotesque, Unbelievable, Bizarre, Unprecedented) freaks among some white nationalists. For example, why WN Corey Nash betrayed John Corbett’s column, “the largest and most efficient single combat unit in the NVA” is the plot of one of the Quartet novels. It is true that, as an intuitive psychologist, I expect this sort of behavior in all radical-departure movements, as is white nationalism. But treason is still very disturbing.
Beware of the Nashes…
Quartet fiction aside, did a WN kill Commander Rockwell?
Chechar:
Good analysis.
Historically, WNists operated in silos – various Klans here, NA there, NS/Brownshirts here, nativists there.
Each operated from the top down, with all information and resources going to the top. Information down to the rank and file was limited. Control was assured.
Thus, loyalty was to the organization – using THAT term loosely – and, by extension, the Leader.
We were divided, and conquered, silo after silo.
The Internet crosses the boundaries of silos, and information.
Above all, the Northwest Republic offers an overarching theme, building from our Families, outward, to the Racial Homeland, and UPWARDS, to the Stars.
“Quartet fiction aside, did a WN kill Commander Rockwell?”
TECHNICALLY, according to the official version of events, Rockwell was indeed killed by “one of his own men.” However, like the JFK assassination, there are a lot of odd little bits and pieces that don’t fit into the official version and which have been swept under the rug.
Neither the time nor the place to get into this, but put it this way–in my own mind, the jury is still out.
Lew,
“So let’s assume all 100,000 of these people are working constantly and diligently…But whatever effect it may have will be no match for Hollywood, mass education and mass media blasting propaganda 24/7/365 to 310,000,000 people, while the power structure also continues to grind Whites down.”
As you say, WNs trying to spread ideas and information generally haven’t been able to compete with mass media and educational conditioning. There are a lot of possible explanations. I believe at least part of it is the weight people give to ideas and information is proportional to the moral authority of the source and the media and education sources are trusted and we aren’t.
However given that the multicult is entirely built on lies, double standards and internal contradictions it doesn’t actually take much to undermine that moral authority if you focus on relentlessly targeting the double standards. If the moral authority of the mass media and education system is reduced to zero (like it was in the USSR) then the weight given to their ideas and information is reduced to zero also. At that point the samizdat idea-spreaders can win.
The BUGS thing is mostly about that (at least that’s how i use it) and i doubt it would take more than a 1000 people dedicated solely to attacking the multicult 24/7 to bring the whole thing down because if you take all the internal contradictions out of the multicult there’s nothing left.
(I’m not saying it’s enough on its own. It’s the equivalent of the standard movie scene where the cops are raiding a house and there’s a guy with a ram who busts the door down. BUGS or BUGS-style activism is the guy with the ram.)
The “singularity2050″ author proposes placing fliers at high traffic urinals to create viral Internet campaigns and drive traffic to subversive web sites. I know that must sound ridiculous, but I think he has hit on an excellent idea here. Although his focus is on undermining the moral authority of the feminist regime, his ideas would work against the Multi-Cult too. This article is worth the 10 minutes IMO.
http://www.singularity2050.com/2011/01/the-time-has-arrived.html
“I’m not trying to be a wise guy. That’s just how I shake out on the ”spreading ideas” alternative to HACs plan. Reasonable people can certainly disagree.
Anyway, this will probably be my last comment until Mr. Covington returns to answer the many objections that have piled up here. ”
I apologize for the hiatus. Not just making excuses, guys, but I am in the rather unusual position for a White Nationalist of having multiple projects that need my attention, at least half of them in the real, non-internet world. The debate here seemed to be dying down and I slacked off for a bit. Again, my apologies.
Chechar: “This should be a source of major concern. It reminds me Covington’s term “GUBU” (Grotesque, Unbelievable, Bizarre, Unprecedented) freaks among some white nationalists.”
You’re right. Unfortunately, due to the open source nature of our struggle, we can’t exclude the kooks entirely. But we should do what we can.
One reason I’ve posted here at Counter-Currents, other than the general high quality of the site, is that Greg Johnson moderates comments. As I get more time, i’ll probably start posting again at some other sites as well, but I’ve got to tell you, I’m liking the kook free zone. Whatever one may think of the disagreements at hand, it’s been handled in a way that should be a net positive for white nationalism in the eyes of any curious onlookers. That’s a good thing. I’ve grown weary of taking time that I can ill afford to contribute to threads that end up as nothing but kook/troll infested embarrassments.
Thanks. I look forward to your future comments.
Agreed.
The moderators here have done a good job of moderating the comments section.
F of C: “Above all, the Northwest Republic offers an overarching theme, building from our Families, outward, to the Racial Homeland, and UPWARDS, to the Stars.”
Well, I think one of the best things about the PNW idea is that it’s something that people can wrap their minds around. I still maintain the criticisms that I’ve made in this thread, which pretty much boil down to the PNW idea not reflecting the balance of forces, and not being a viable end point (though perhaps a viable starting point?).
But the full truth, the real reality of our situation, is not something that is easy to swallow. It all seems so impossible (though of course, even in the last couple of decades all sorts of “impossible” things in fact happened).
Whereas breaking off a few states, comparatively speaking, may seem doable, or at least much more doable. Since whatever happens has to be done by real human beings, and since those human beings have to be able to wrap their minds around the task at hand, well, that’s all in the PNW’s favor.
Over all, and I suppose opinions will vary, it seems to me that the effect of this debate has been to, in a sense, legitimize the PNW idea. Even the criticisms, including those of yours truly, treated the PNW idea as legitimate. So, on the whole, I would think you guys would be fairly satisfied with the outcome.
Greetings
I support the Northwest Migration. To me its a numbers game.Blacks & browns are reproducing faster than we are. We are barely haveing enough children to maintain our current population, if that.
“Blacks and browns are reproducing faster than we are”
So what? They’re also killing each other faster than we are.
“We are barely having enough children to maintain our current population, if that.”
No, thoughout the entirety of our existence, white people have always maintained small, strong family units. The white baby-booms of the colonial period, industrial revolution, and middle 20th-century were unique reactions to the introduction into, or presence of, a new frontier to grow into, be it a untouched continent or new way of life (ex: American suburban middle-class). White families continue to exist in healthy enough numbers to sustain our race for the forseable future. The obvious threat, is from hostile, alien races competing for our own vital resources in our own lands.
Blacks and other non-white races reproduce in large numbers because one 1.) They biologically lack the impulse control to restrain their sexual urges, 2.) They care little for their offspring, which incindentally, are already adapted to being left to their own devices, having been born with predatory instincts that whites must later develop from experience, and 3.) STUPID, ARROGANT, SHORT-SIGHTED WHITE PEOPLE KEEP FEEDING AND HOUSING THEM.
There is no point in huddling togethor somewhere and purposely attempting to breed ourselves into excess numbers, which is against our nature anyway, in the hopes that it might put demographics in our favor. I would much rather do something about THEM (you know who I’m talking about), in my lifetime, than create a new generation to shoulder the burden. And that brings me to something that I posed in my first post here, but was edited out by the moderators. I don’t think I’m being out of line in bringing this up, and I would like it given the chance for Mr. Covington to address it:
In the mythos of the Northwest Quartet, the tipping point for hostilities, the “first revolutionary shot” so to speak, came when government agents tried to steal some white children from their family. It is no secret that those novels are being posited, however loosely, as the model for a real-life revolutionary movement (see Covington’s repeated use of the term ‘colonial struggle’.). So am I being outrageous in suspecting that ‘the plan’ might just be, white folks all move northwest, have lotsa’ purdy white babies, (and that’s not being inflammatory — Mr. Covington has even said as much, not in those exact words, on his podcasts) and hope that at some point in the distant future they might become some kind of bait for an overzealous, degenerate U.S. government? If there actually is some other course of action in mind, and I do hope there is, I would really like to hear it.
Chris: I would much rather do something about THEM ….
Exactly WHAT do you propose to “do?”
How is it anything but the triumph of impotent entertainment versus the conquest of political effectiveness?
We have more than fifty years of everything that DOESN”T work, all doing more good for our Enemies than for us.
Why isn’t the energy better spent defining and creating a better life for your Posterity in 2050, in the Northwest Republic?
What would make your grandchildren really proud of what YOU DID FOR THEM, Charlie Brown?
Focus Northwest
Were are you from? When, before the 1960′s in America, did we have small families? I am the youngest of seven, born in 1964. Our family was by no means the largest in the county, nor unusual for its size.
I fully agree with the three points you make. But the fact remains that our birthrate has declined steeply.
Is it just my computer messing up, or are some of the posts that were here no longer up?
It is all there.
HAC,
I am really enjoying Radio Free Northwest. This week was great. Last week was good too.
You are doing great work with this series on WNist history. I don’t follow the British scene too closely, so I had never heard of Sir Oswald Mosley. Very interesting stuff.
And Father Coughlin was an incredible speaker. It’s hard to believe he once had an audience of 30,000,000 people.
Lew and others:
I have a 56-installment “Weird Aryan History” series I send out periodically. Anyone who wants to receive it, e-mail me at [email protected]
-HAC
The latest Radio Free Northwest is now available for download at
http://northwestfront.org/2011/05/radio-free-northwest-may-5th-2011/
I discuss the Hal Turner case and concerns that I am a “ZOG agent,” so this may have some relevance to the OO BS.
@ “so this may have some relevance to the OO BS”
Perhaps you meant “OD [Occidental Dissent] BS”? (OO, The Occidental Observer, on the other hand, is a sane WN site).
And BTW thanks for your podcast on NS principles a couple of weeks ago.
Sorry, that was unclear. My bad. I meant all the hootin’ and hollerin’ in the comments section of my Occidental Observer review by the GUBU crew.
[Okay, I mentioned the Weird Aryan History series during the Great Debate on Counter-Currents.org and some people expressed interest in receiving this series of 56 individual e-mails. This is the original article I sent out in '05. Please read it carefully and check out my 2007 comments at the end. - HAC]
June 24th, 2005
The Weird Aryan History Series
Greetings,
Okay, I have been advised henceforth to avoid the use of humor in my posts. Apparently it’s going over some of your heads.
I have also been advised to explain everything clearly, concisely, and simply, since apparently some of you are confused. So let me start by explaining the concept of a “Weird Aryan History” series.
Someone once said that Americans are a people without a past. I once saw a statistic to the effect that less than 50% of Americans (meaning White Americans) can name all four of their grandparents (I mean actually name them: Grandpa and Mee-Maw don’t count) and less than ten percent could name more than one great-grandparent. Many Americans confuse the Korean War with World War Two. Something like 30% of reporters in the Gulf War did not know there had been a World War One, although you’d think the designation of World War Two might have tipped them off that there was a previous version floating around somewhere. (True story.)
We as a people have no idea where we’ve been, so it’s no wonder we have no idea where we’re going.
My Weird Aryan History series is an attempt to remedy that, to inform White Nationalists of some of the more interesting events in the history of our people and let them know that yes, in fact there were Aryan events going on before the time of cowboys and Indians, which is as far back as most Americans have any historical awareness at all.
Beyond a highly inaccurate movie version of the Wild West, some Americans have a vague impression of the Civil War (some re-enactors are downright anal about the 1861-1865 period to the exclusion of the other 3000-odd years of Western civilization, just like some National Socialists can recite a day by day history of the Third Reich from 1933 to 1945 and nothing else at all.)
There is a dimmer impression in a few consciousnesses of George Washington crossing the Delaware, and guys in white wigs signing something in 1776, and beyond that there’s Elmer Fudd in Puritan dress, wearing a cartoon steeple-crown hat and carrying a blunderbuss, hunting turkeys for Thanksgiving (nobody in the 17th or 18th centuries hunted with a blunderbuss) while having run-ins with Bugs Bunny. For 99% of Americans, that’s it.
Now, in addition to being a people with amnesia, we are also a very sleazy people, as the current pre-occupation with Court TV and assorted media hyped crap indicates, from Scott Peterson to Natalee Holloway. Fine, I’m sleazy too. So I will be selecting all kinds of weird, wonderful, violent, bloody, bizarre, and ghastly stuff from the history of our race and presenting it for our own little tabloid show here on the internet. I started off last night with the mystery of the Princes in the Tower.
These articles will in fact be mostly fairly long and detailed and you will have to dust off the old attention span and give it a good workout to read and understand most of them, but I will try to intersperse short little Aryan factoids as well. I think this will actually be a kind of entertaining project, something to occupy myself while waiting for the lights to go out, and something many of you will appreciate. If you don’t, there’s always the old delete button.
Okay, are we clear on what the Weird Aryan History Series is and why? We do know that there is a purpose to it and it’s not just Harold losing his marbles? Good.
-HAC
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[2007] I did sixty-some odd articles in the series. A few of you loved it. Most of you–well, it was pretty obvious most of you just considered the series one of HAC’s little eccentricities, and didn’t even bother to read them.
That always saddened and disappointed me. I don’t understand why I could never seem to get any traction with this. I mean, I just don’t get it. How can anyone not be fascinated with all this stuff?
Anyway, to counter all this Black History Month crap, I am going to re-transmit the complete Aryan History Series, roughly two or three per day, so this will probably take about a month. It will give you guys some great entertainment, which seems to be largely what many of you are looking for.
However, I won’t load up your e-mail boxes with stuff you’re just going to politely ignore and delete. If you want to receive this series, let me know. I’ll give it a couple of days for everybody who wants on the Aryan History List to let me know. I need to warn you, though..some of these articles are pretty long, especially the first two, “The Princes In The Tower” and “The Wild Donnellies.”
No, history did not begin with Amurrica. Yes, our race does have a past other than WWII and the Civil War and the cowboys.
Want to find out about it? Let me know at [email protected] and I’ll put you on the Weird Aryan History Series list.
88!
HAC
Link doesn’t work.
Ward:
Long overdue!
Two quick comments:
One, “So, what’s the answer, then?”
For a total Racial war: “All Of The Above.”
There is no inconsistency between you and Covington; he defines the temporal bridge to the metapolitical project, with plenty of room for all approaches to the One Problem.
Two, we require a “plan of action, (un)burdened by the failed iconography and symbols of the past.”
Plan: Transformation of self, family and society in preparation for joining and building the Northwest Republic. See VNN/F’s “Hugh’s” thread, “A Better World.”
What’s In YOUR Future?
Focus Northwest
1. “All approaches” – America began with two Approaches – religious families at Plymouth Rock, businessmen in Jamestown. Neither could have imagined what America would
2. Northwest Migration begins in the Mind, with cultural separation. The qualities of Character required complements this, and the numbers of the RIGHT people will follow. Example: Brigham Young.
3. Your site idea is fascinating! Some ideas to follow.
4. E. Michael Jones described the “ethnic cleansing” of the first PLE’s, ethnic city neighborhoods. Divided by ethnicity, conquered by (another) Race. “A Nation, Not A Neighborhood.”
More to follow.
What’s In YOUR Future?
Focus Northwest
5. A meeting place? How about a Community Center, linked to a Church? (Like the Jews, temples with Jewish Community Centers.) All linked to a New Christianity, melded with Traditionalism? A new Priesthood, based on Pagan Masculinism? Using christianseparatist.org’s “Anointed Standard” Bible? Kinism?
Look to the Witnesses for an expansion model, and the Mormons for Masculine Hierarchical Organization.
Our own Nation, our own Homeland our own Religion, all supporting our Race, on OUR terms.
No more Lucy’s Rules Football, no more Charlie Brown.
More to follow.
What’s In YOUR Future?
Focus Northwest
Regarding the “why not a church?” question, etc. I should point out that one of the main problems the Movement has these days is finding anybody who OWNS ANY PROPERTY, and who is willing to help. This is one of the reasons that we constantly have to fall back on the ultimate rite-wing abomination, the rented motel banquet room.
“Back in the day” we actually had wealthy and substantial supporters who owned property and buildings, and who had sufficient courage to let us use them. These days almost all of us seem to be living in rented rooms, and the few of us who do own their own property are usually unwilling to let us use their facilities, either because they are terrified of lawsuits from Morris Dees that might cause them to lose their precious assets and material wealth, or else because the character and behavior of “our” people is so abysmal that normal people don’t want us on their property and don’t what us knowing where they live.
Sorry, guys. I know most Movement people want to shoot the messenger when I say these things, but what can I tell you? This is the reality we face and this is what we have to overcome.
6. Focus and Effectiveness.
We have the metapolitical project.
The Northwest Republic is its temporal manifestation.
Nations are built on people, and better nations require need better people, who start where they are, and MAKE THEMSELVES better in conscious service of this higher purpose.
The examples of Switzerland, and Singapore, are illustrative.
The examples used by VNN/F’s “Hugh’s” “A Better World” thread, are perfect for us, for now.
COMPREHENSION: The most effective, powerful nations in history are the Roman Catholic Church, and the Jews.
We can learn from this.
More to follow.
What’s In YOUR Future?
Focus Northwest
My podcasts are an attempt to establish the type of open “McDonalds” style communication and propaganda Mr. Kendall describes. The problem is that NO ONE KNOWS THEY ARE THERE. We’re stuck at about 4,000 hits per week and have been for a long time. The fact is that our “community,” even online, is effing TINY, and we simply don’t seem to be able to break out of the bubble.
Give me a million listeners to Radio Free Northwest every week (WHITE listeners) and I’ll give you a revolution.
Ward Kendall.. your assumption that a viable, visible WNist community center could be created, much less sustained is, sadly a mere fantasy here in ZOG-land.. it would be protested, harassed, terrorized and possibly burned down in short order by the antis. WNists cannot even meet at a rented facility oe room for one day without repercussions these days. If all that terror and harassment fails it would be sued into non existence after extreme provocations caused a “security over-reaction”, (real or fictitious) ALA the Butler incident. In the real world everything MUST be done without transparency, since our enemies will use that candid approach to destroy us. Haven’t you been paying attention to how badly the deck is stacked against us? We are not free, this is now a totalitarian nation run by our racial enemies and we had better wake up to that fast if we are to have any hope of success
And this is exactly why we must work together INTERNATIONALLY. Since we obviously cannot make it within our own borders, then we must do more than just internet. I.E., yes supporting across border wherever possible. In Western Canada/ USA this a bit easier. Meetings in homes and apartments over and over…..WITHOUT PUBLICITY…..if squealed upon, then on to another home/apartment. Key Core people are ready. Trusted Key Core people are ready. By meeting and tight knitting our network legally, but privately, perhaps more sparks willl be lit. Titles need not be accented at such. Just simply friends of the White Race, or whatever. Please not moan that if we cant make it in our own nation, how in hell would it work internationally. Stressing: there are enough core people in each white nation ….that if some of these core continue to meet and build, as often as is financially and whatever possible, then must build with what we have, and not what we wish for. Bird in hand worth two in the bush.
britishpeoplesleague.com [email protected]
Well said. And with all due respect, what escapes me is how could someone write such an ultra-Orwellian novel where whites are compelled to miscegenate by force to the point of extinction while, at the same time, believe in a bucolic all-white island within an archipelago that’s actively genociding whites not in a novel, but in the real world. It reminds me of Arthur Conan Doyle whose Sherlock Holmes is the epitome of skepticism while, in real life, he believed in fairy tales (literally in fairy tales, no kidding).
Harold’s way is the only way. The problem is not the Northwest imperative. The problem is that most whites have become nothing but zombied Eloi: fatted cattle to the Morlocks (Hunter Wallace and his ODers are extremely dishonest for not recognizing this with their “let’s go mainstream” stance). It is a mental health problem. That’s why finding out the basic etiology of our current mental disorder has become a kind of obsession for me.
“It is a mental health problem. That’s why finding out the basic etiology of our current mental disorder has become a kind of obsession for me.”
The red pill folk who now want to go mainstream do not have the maturity to recognize that it is a sin to receive the gift of insight and then choose to live a life with form, but no substance. It is as cruel of an existence for themselves (and their people) as is the White climber in the ruling Judæo-Liberal Orthodoxy.
My obsession is to gear those of us devoted to the 14 words, to reconcile our hearts so as to be the superlative “first responders” in recognizing those in our extended family who have a favorable prognosis from this “mental disorder.”
Furthermore, this is a hard enough job without having those amongst us crapping out and drawing unwarranted and false dichotomies. We must not only be spiritual guides with our words and our deeds, but possess the wisdom and fortitude to PUT INTO PRACTICE that with which we spend so much time arguing: We aren’t all equal, and we must be shrewd harvesters, gathering the right fruit and turning away from the bad.
This is why I have so little patience with those that mock this process by making their choices out of the banal, selfish concern to wave their personal freak flag, rather than hoisting the flag of their people. In fact, in a movement nearly rendered useless from infighting, besides the traitor, the individual most justly deserving of admonishment and banning, is the selfish divider who purports to care about the 14 words, but whose true concern is quantity, self-aggrandizement. How effortless and average. The people who make this happen won’t have either of those aptitudes.
This whole process may seem too theoretical and irrelevant, with so many gates we have to first enter, but I think it is relevant now; who do reach out towards? We spend much time crafting the message, which is a passive process. Aren’t we also called to engage in an active process of finding, picking, and kicking?
Consider an email I sent to HAC as a RFN question to be answered on his show:
The short version: How will the white Republic separate the wheat from the chaff?
I recall from one of the Northwest novels the stream of cars leaving via Interstate 5 but also a stream of cars coming into the newly created Northwest Republic. We both know of the latecomer phenomenon, how there will thousands (if not millions) of whites who will be keen to see the tide turn towards the revolutionaries. These will be the destroyed, opportunistic, cowardly, and slothful. They may want into the Republic, but we certainly don’t want them, or at least I don’t want them.
I have listened to each of your podcasts, sometimes several times. You have addressed having compassion and mercy for whites that have been decimated by ZOG. Though it is nice to think of our spokesman as a man of compassion, I am of the belief that their is a healthy limit to this form of “mercy of the heart.” I remind you that as a physician, I see daily the detritus of a society that has spent three generations destroying a birthright. Seldom do I see truly hostile liberals or Jews; however, close to a majority of white folks that I do see are so demoralized, so bereft of knowledge, wisdom, and integrity, that they exist only to suck resources from a society they can not even begin to understand. They are unable to think in any way that is helpful to themselves or to others. They may have IQs approaching 100, but, in effect, are retarded.
I suppose a small proportion will be able to be rehabilitated. But what of the rest? We are talking about close to 100 million whites in North America alone that fit this description. I cannot think of a greater handicap to a nascent republic than the millstone of a retarded population around our collective necks. Of course, they will be clamoring from the first possible minute to get into this great, new and promising thing, like a toddler stumbling towards something shiny. Will there be entrance exams?
Mike
Excellent points. I agree wholeheartedly. Precedent was clearly set on this very continent at the time of and the aftermath to the American Revolution. The “Whigs” were the fervent and freedom minded revolutionaries and the “Tories” were the Crown Loyalists and traitors to the cause. The Founders (although some pleaded for it) failed to either eliminate or deport most Tories, leaving their negative DNA here like ticking time bombs. Yes, I strongly believe there is a genetic component to this, even within our own race. Wheat and chaff indeed, aside from my Identity beliefs in this arena which tell me that many of our race are chaff, empirical evidence.. history and current events prove it without a doubt
We need a serious vetting process to weed out the worthless, the traitors, the genuine and obvious moral defectives. I would that we be far more kind to physical defectives (as long as they were not allowed to procreate) than I would be to moral defectives. It is a disease of the soul and perhaps of the very DNA, and the very seeds of doom planted in every new nation
In my world Force 101 would be only the beginning.. much more would need to be done in the future to clean out the diseased members.. it could be done via simple deportations back to the cesspool where they belong. After one or two generations there would be little to no need to continue the practice..
Please, I beg you all to purchase this book (it’s a cheap used paperback and an amazing value) which is the actual letters of the actors in the American Revolution. You will discover that the Founders faced the exact same issues we will face! Fail to learn history and you will repeat it!
http://www.amazon.com/Spirit-Seventy-Six-Henry-Steele-Commager/dp/0785814639/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1305043073&sr=1-1
WK,
It seems that all of my metaphors failed.
By “Elois” as walking like zombies to the cannibal “Morlocks” I meant that whites are going straight to the path of extinction (something analogous to your novel); that they have no spine left: just how FWM described his patients above.
“Island” and “archipelago”… I had in mind something that Covington has repeated over and over again in his radio podcasts: a kind of Beaver Cleavage (or something that sounds like that) all-white village, like the kind we saw in TV from the 1960s thru the early 70s. This image was the “bucolic island” of my metaphor. Covington has repeatedly said it won’t work, that ZOG would invade it as it invaded Texas, California and many other states (my “archipelago” metaphor).
By the way, when I talked about “mental disorders” I didn’t have in mind any particular WN or commenter here. I was thinking of the suicide ethos in today’s white culture.
Hope this clarifies a bit.
Finally, since the first paragraph of my previous comment says “well said”, it gives the impression I was referring to JohnBeattie. Nope. I was referring to Steve the Elder (John posted it before me – his momentarily invisible comment appeared before as it was awaiting moderation).
I think you have me convinced. Consider what I once wrote to another gentleman who scolded be for being a Christian.
Sam “Christianity is a Jewish cult.”
Sam speaks about what he doesn’t understand, and without understanding the consequences of his ignorance. I would rather alienate Sam than the 4000 (100%) white members of my extremely conservative southern and reformed church. I have 40 million people who are in someway affiliated with my church. 98.5 % of them are white. They long ago stopped sending their money to Israel.
The majority of them say the Apostle’s Creed every Sunday, sometimes holding hands with their fellow whites. Every one of them can recite the Lord’s Prayer. Sam doesn’t have a creed.
Sam , and his shadowy friends use pseudonyms. My brothers proudly sign their name to the roster at the end of each pew when they enter the building. They include their contact info if a loved one is sick/hospitalized or just needs a dinner for someone they know that week. It doesn’t matter if that someone is a members of the church, the food will arrive with a warm smile and a handshake, at a minimum.
Sam doesn’t have a white dollar. The brothers of my church give an average of $4000 zogbucks each year to my church. They give it in cash or checks, in little envelopes at the end of the service. They don’t sign their names. Little old ladies count up all the loot later that afternoon.
In fact, each year, my brothers pledge this tremendous amount, and this is the only thing in the church that they do anonymously. It is considered a high honor for that monetary amount to be just between a brother and His God
Sam doesn’t ever enter a room with that many whites (let alone every Sunday), unless he’s there to watch negroes chase a ball. Sam doesn’t have a church. In fact, he doesn’t really even have a cult.
Sam is like one of the blind men in the room with the elephant.
So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
Open your eyes, white man!
Mike
The Butler compound was not rented yet SPLC cleaned him out and destroyed the enterprise. Every other such institution has failed, even if it required the founder’s death.
The problem is not one of minutiae or organizational concepts, it is one of simple logistics. we are outnumbered by vicious bipeds who do not play nice, and they have the courts and the federal and state governments for muscle. There is no peaceful solution
No insult intended but your concept of floating a clean WNist raft in a sea of enemy turds is sadly quite delusional
OK, but how would you respond to what Covington said today (see above)?:
Etc.
The people making the donations would have to form a corporation or other legal entity to buy the land and carry out the center’s activities. This way, once the lawsuits and legal harassment start, the usual suspects will only be able to seize the corporation’s assets and not anyone’s personal assets.
Christian Identity Allies of Harold Covington — And Why
Christian Identity holds that White people are the ‘lost’ ten (actually thirteen) tribes of Israel. The Dual-Seedline variant holds that there are two seed-lines, one good, through Adam-Noah-Abraham-Isaac-Jacob/Israel line, and the evil jews who are the spawn of Satan through Satan’s seduction of Eve, giving birth to Cain, the first jew. Then through Canaan, the son of Ham and Naamah, Tubal-cain’s sister. The sephardic jews are through Esau-Edom from Esau marrying two Hivite women. The Ashkenazi jews are from the Hittite Canaanites who got scattered by the ancient Galacians/Greeks around 1200 BC through to the Khazars, who got beaten by Prince Vladimir’s grandfather Stanislas around 900 AD. There has been a Genesis 3:15 enmity between the two seedlines for seven thousand years. (Septuagint dating as opposed to Maseortic dating.) The jews have infested the Adamites for 7,000 years and have set up numerous ZOG/Babylons to miscegenate away the Adamic/White race. We are living in ZOG/Babylon the Third — and Final.
Thus I believe that it will be the Great Tribulation killing 90% of the whiggers, along with all of the jews and muds, which will be the salvation of the Christian Israelite people, not bringing about a Northwest Republic. However, trying for a NW Republic through revolution doesn’t in any way conflict with my religious beliefs because somebody has to rebel against ZOG/Babylon someplace, sometime, and thus Harold’s work doesn’t conflict with DSCI beliefs. ZOG/Babylon must be destroyed.
So I am an ally of Harold Covington, although I don’t always agree with Harold. We agree 85% of the time and I have no oxen gored by Harold, although I’m not planning to move to the Northwest. I have property in South Dakota, where my family of Swedes originated here in America.
I’m sort of in between web pages right now, thanks to a dirty little ARA mamzer pretending to be CI, along with two jews pretending to be DSCI pastors.
I wish Harold would have specified that I live in Southwest Missouri (Granby/Neosho) near Joplin, Kansas, and Oklahoma as opposed to SouthEastern Missouri around Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, and Mississippi. Travelling them secondary roads over 300 miles across the Ozarks is out of the question. However, I am forwarding your message, to a woman who lives in your general area from Harold’s contact list.
Hail Victory!!!
Pastor Martin Luther Dzerzhinsky Lindstedt
Church of Jesus Christ Christian/Aryan Nations of Missouri
http://spacemirror.net/lindstedt/lindstedt
As Lew says below, we would need volunteer lawyers and accountants because within 3 months, America’s first Euro-American Community Center will have a pushpin on the $PLC’s “hate map.” Mark Potok will call his Hebraic friend at Channel 5, and will be broadcasting a special bulletin on the 5 o’clock news about America’s newest Neo-Nazi, Hate Camp, complete with Correspondent Heather Mudsharkey interviewing adolescents entering and business men leaving (“What goes on behind these doors…)
The local foaming professor at the university will be interviewed about the how the Hitler Youth began in neighborhood community centers and the result was a country of naziswhowantstokillsixmillionjews.
After several of us were fired or passed over for promotion, then the gynocracy will take over in our private lives, as we are hectored by our wives for bringing trouble into the home; how Miriam at Pilates no longer talks to the missus because of where you’re spending your free time.
Obviously, I’m overstating, but perhaps Mr. Kendall can elaborate on how this sore thumb of America’s first Euro-American Community Center is not to stick out. Our foes have no shame and are never reticent in reaching and acting upon their conclusions.
Mike
WK,
I would recommend what I have advised to blogger Tanstaafl. Change the black background of your website. Reading white letters against a black background is a pain to the eyes of the racially-conscious community.
And yes: novels like Hold Back This Day deserve to reach the silver screen. I would love to film it if I had the proper resources.
WK,
The problem is money. The problem is always money. As I noted earlier in this conversation, WNists are never short on good ideas. But whether the idea is creating a serious White ADL, a White RT.com, running a credible political campaign, or implementing your excellent idea for a community center, the idea will never come to anything without money and professional help — which costs money. I know I’m just stating the obvious here. And the amounts required to do any of these things will be substantially more than can ever by raised by appeals to your typical middle/upper middle class WNist sympathizers.
None of those things will ever happen through a volunteer effort either without physical
proximity — which brings us right back to HACs idea of concentrating resources in the PNW.
These various limitations are the reason I think “open source” software development is a horrible metaphor for WNist efforts to accomplish things IRL. Global geographic dispersion without physical proximity does not hinder open source programmers from doing what they need to do. For WNists, this not true.