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Be Fruitful & Multiply:
The Option of Increasing Fertility

Léon Frédéric (1856–1940), "The Ages of the Worker," 1895, central part of a triptych, oil on canvas, Musée d'Orsay, Paris

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I know of a large German American Catholic family consisting of 22 single-birth children born to one married couple. The “children” are now middle-aged. At a recent reunion, over 100 family members were present. 

This family is not fundamentalist in any way, though one sister is a nun. As far as I know they are purely mainstream (which is not necessarily high praise). I never heard what philosophy motivated the parents, who were farmers, to have so many children.

The Most Children Ever Produced by One Mother: 69?

According to my 1978 edition of the Guinness Book of World Records, the greatest number of children produced by one mother “in an independently attested case” (no sources were cited) was “the first wife” of Fyodor Vassilet (1816–1872), a peasant in European Russia. The number of offspring was 69. The woman was “so renowned that she was presented at the court of Czar Alexander II.”

Wikipedia helps clarify this entry in the popular record book.

It lists the name of the husband as Feodor Vassilyev, and situates him a century earlier. He is said to have lived c. 1707–1782. Thus, the wife could not have been presented at the court of Czar Alexander II, as Guinness stated; the Czar would have had to have been Alexander I.

The two sources are referring to the same individual, because the number of children and other details match. Wikipedia, however, is correct and Guinness wrong about dates, because Wikipedia links directly to the relevant primary source for the information. The online encyclopedia also provides quotations from persuasive authorities suggesting that the information may not be reliable.

For example, the proper name, birth and death dates, and other information about the mother are not known.

All 69 children allegedly resulted from multiple births, with no single births whatsoever: 16 pairs of twins, 7 sets of triplets, and 4 sets of quadruplets (= 69).

Casting further doubt on the story, the original 1783 Gentleman’s Magazine source claims that Vassilyev’s second wife gave birth to an addition 18 children, also from multiple births: 6 sets of twins and two sets of triplets (= 18). Naturally, there were no fertility drugs in those days. (For the increased risks associated with multiple births, see below.)

It was also an age when high child mortality was the norm, yet 84 of the children of the two marriages supposedly survived, and only 3 died—a suspiciously low number.

So it would appear that there is no compelling reason to accept the story of 69 children in this case. Therefore, I don’t know what the correct, verifiable record number of children born to a single mother might be. Certainly, one would have to distinguish between historical examples and modern births involving assisted techniques.

The Demographic Transition

Large white families were much more common before the “profound transformation” wrought by the European “demographic transition” [1:08 mins.] than they are today.

Italian demographer Massimo Livi-Bacci maintains that the tremendous decline in European fertility associated with the Industrial Revolution was due primarily to a large increase in the cost of rearing children compared to the preceding millennia-long agricultural era, which resulted in “voluntary fertility control” through family planning.

The rise of mass communications and the dismantlement of social controls formerly imposed by Western laws, traditions, institutions, and religion were also vital in causing a decline in births.

Birth control in Europe and other developed regions, Livi-Bacci writes, was once “virtually unknown except to select groups (nobility, the urban bourgeoisie).” But at the end of the 19th century it spread rapidly. It did not reach some rural and peripheral areas until the middle of the 20th century, however.

Large families are still the norm in the Third World, as well as among non-whites imported into First World countries to replace the native inhabitants.  Therefore, many non-white populations continue to expand at a rapid pace. Their death rate has been slashed by foreign aid and other Western largesse, while fertility rates remain high.

Relying upon the prevailing universalistic creed that all races are identical, globalist planners and demographers hypothesize that non-white populations will likewise undergo a demographic transition (huge decline in fertility) in the future.

Despite the long-term negative population growth rate among whites, some large white families as well as a nascent natalist ideology do exist.

The (Non-White) Gosselins

Jon and Kate Gosselin starred in a popular cable TV reality show called Jon & Kate Plus 8 (Kate Plus 8 after their split) from 2007–2011. I have never seen this program.

The Gosselin Family

During its first year, the show aired on Discovery Health, a now-defunct cable channel owned by Discovery Communications, Inc., whose CEO is David Zaslav and major investor is the Newhouse family. From 2008–2011 it ran on TLC, another Discovery-owned channel.

Kate Gosselin (née Kreider), is one of five children of a pastor. Her (now) ex-husband Jon is reportedly half-Korean and half-white. So the 8 child stars are 75% white and 25% Korean.

They were conceived with the aid of fertility drugs, a set of twins first, followed by sextuplets. My impression is that the couple did not expect to have sextuplets the second time around.

All of the Gosselin births were premature, the twins at 8 months and the sextuplets at 7 months. As a result, the sextuplets were placed on ventilators.

Fertility drugs have a higher likelihood than natural methods of producing multiple births, including increased numbers of twins, triplets, quadruplets, quintuplets, sextuplets, and so forth, as well as premature births. While many or most premature babies survive today, I don’t know whether they suffer any negative long-term aftereffects.

The Gosselins appear to be entirely secular. Much tabloid gossip was generated by Jon Gosselin’s affair with the (evidently) Jewish daughter of Kate’s plastic surgeon, the woman’s possible trashing of his apartment, etc.

A major reason for the family’s strong appeal to television executives (and viewers) was no doubt its conspicuous display of racial hybridity.

The family is a model of multiracialism and non-whiteness; socially, Jon and Kate and their offspring should be regarded as foreign. The gene flow exhibited in this case should be directed away from, not into, the white community.

The Duggar Family—19 Children & Counting

Less famous but more interesting and educational from our perspective are the Duggars, another reality TV show family seen on Discovery-owned TLC, 19 Kids and Counting (formerly 17 Kids and Counting and 18 Kids and Counting) (2008–present).

The Duggar family

This is another program I have not seen.

The show tells the day-to-day story of James Robert “Jim Bob” and Michelle (née Ruark) Duggar and their 19 children—nine girls and ten boys who all have names beginning with the letter “J.”

The parents, described as conservative, fundamentalist Baptists, married in 1984 and practiced birth control. Their first child was born three years later. They resumed birth control, but Mrs. Duggar conceived anyway and suffered a miscarriage. This they interpreted as a religious sign, and thereafter decided to let God determine how many children they should have.

From that point on, Mrs. Duggar gave birth at regular intervals of approximately a year and a half.

In addition to the first miscarriage, another child was delivered 3 months prematurely via emergency C-section, weighing 1 lb., 6 oz. at birth. This child survived. In December 2011 Michelle Duggar, then age 46, suffered a second miscarriage while pregnant with her 20th child.

Of 21 children, 19 of whom survived and two miscarried, two were home birthed and 4 (including 3 of the last 5) were delivered via C-section.

The only multiple births were two sets of fraternal twins. Like most natalist Christians, the Duggars do not use fertility drugs.

According to Mark Perloe, M.D., an Atlanta infertility specialist, there is a lifetime fertility window:

A woman reaches her peak fertility at age 18 or 19, with little change until the mid-20s. As she approaches age 30, her hormone levels start to decline and her fertility also begins a slow decline, with a more rapid decline after age 35. Menopause, which occurs in the late 40s to early 50s in most women, marks the end of a woman’s natural ability to bear children. A man’s fertility decline is not as rapid and has no clear-cut end point, but a man of 50 has lower hormone levels and is likely less fertile than he was at age 25 or 30. (“Infertility,” Microsoft Encarta Encyclopedia 2005)

When the couple married in 1984 Mr. Duggar was 19 and Mrs. Duggar 17. Their first child was born when they were 22 and 21 respectively; in 2009, when their 19th surviving child was born, they were 44 and 43.

Mr. and Mrs. Duggar adhere to various conservative family practices, including home schooling, which are summarized in their Wikipedia entry. In common with other large Christian families, every child is responsible for helping to raise the younger children.

The family lives in Arkansas. The husband, “of English descent,” is in real estate and owns several commercial properties. Mr. Duggar served as a Republican in the Arkansas House of Representatives from 1999–2002.

The family is a good example of how ideology (in this case religious belief) can potentially influence fertility decisions even in today’s anti-natalist (at least for whites) environment.

Of course, the very sight of the large Duggar family—white and Christian, the two most hated identities in the contemporary world—drives denizens of the fever swamps crazy.

A Google search for “Duggars racist” generates 600,000 hits.

The Quiverfull Movement

Quiverfull (a term derived from Psalms 127:3–5) is an informal natalist movement among some conservative evangelical Christians, mostly in the US, but also in Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. It is important to note that other Christian families eschew the name but follow similar principles.

The core Quiverfull beliefs are that Christians should maintain a welcoming attitude toward large families, and birth control should be rejected.

It is a small movement. Even its noisiest Establishment critic, Kathryn Joyce (whose race is not clear from her photograph; she might be white), reluctantly admits, “The number of families who have committed themselves wholly to the Quiverfull path doesn’t represent any pollster’s idea of a key demographic.”

Nevertheless, she worries (or pretends to) that in a generation or two the barbarians might accomplish a “demographic revolution.” However, this appears to be fear and loathing more than reason talking. Joyce of course depicts the movement as racist and antifeminist.

Early Quiverfull pioneers were a woman named Nancy Campbell (Be Fruitful and Multiply, 2003), and especially Mary Pride, a former radical feminist who in 1985 published The Way Home: Beyond Feminism, Back to Reality.

Mary Pride’s oldest daughter wrote on Amazon.com: “I grew up in the halo of this book. I don’t know even how much of an influence it had. All I know is that, whenever I went with my mother to homeschool conferences, dads and moms would bring up their children and say, ‘Look! He wouldn’t be here if we hadn’t read your book!'”

Interestingly, the Quiverfull movement rejects infertility treatments on Biblical grounds but welcomes large-scale adoptions, thereby opening the door wide to interracialism.

Implications

Replacement fertility—where each generation exactly replaces the one before it (i.e., equilibrium, or zero population growth—no expansion)—is currently 2.1 children per couple in the First World and 2.4 in developing countries.

Replacement fertility exceeds 2 because more boys are born than girls (the sex ratio at birth is 1.05/1.06 boys for 1 girl) and also because children who die before reaching reproductive age must be replaced by additional births. The higher mortality, the higher replacement fertility. (Massimo Livi-Bacci, A Concise History of World Population, 4th ed., Blackwell Publishing, 2007, p. 242 n. 20)

Because some men and women in each generation do not reproduce, couples who do so must give birth to more than 2.1 children to sustain the overall population level.

Actual First World fertility is currently below replacement level (signifying population implosion)—despite factoring in miscegenation, which is now substantial, and the high birth rates attributable to permanently-settled non-whites, whose numbers under existing policies are continuously augmented by new arrivals, legal and illegal, at a ferocious pace.

The implications are harsh. Population changes

vary between a maximum annual potential growth rate of 4 percent (many developing countries have a growth rate of over 3 percent) and a minimum of -1 percent (which will be realized by many European countries should the current fertility and mortality levels remain unchanged). We are able to recognize the exceptional nature of the current situation if we keep in mind that a population growing at an annual rate of 4 percent will double in about 18 years, while another declining by 1 percent per year will halve in 70. Two populations of equal size [emphasis added] experiencing these different growth rates will find themselves after 28 years (barely a generation) in a numerical ratio of four-to-one! (Livi-Bacci, World Population, p. 20)

Note that Livi-Bacci is saying that these disparate extremes exist now. Whites are clearly on the losing end. Observe too the tremendous velocity built into the numbers. Race is not static.

Christianity and Natalism

I cite the various Christian examples of natalism here not because they are pro-white. The Christian religion as presently constituted, including its fundamentalist or conservative manifestation, is the opposite. (I am ignoring for the moment marginal variations such as Kinism or Christian Identity, for whom whiteness is central and explicit.)

Not only are Christians not explicitly white, they are effectively anti-white. Race either plays no role in their thinking, or members actively reject white identity—but not Jewish, black, or other politically correct expressions of racism. I assume this is the result of cultural conditioning rather than religion. At least that’s what history would suggest.

Unlike Jews, Christians have no racially exclusive membership criteria, or explicit, effective barriers to, or admonitions against, interracial marriage. When pressured, they will doubtless strive, like the Mormons, to dilute their racial makeup in hope of destroying its “too white”-ness.

Thus, Christianity as formulated and practiced in the contemporary non- and anti- white world will never preserve our people. Even if it can sustain itself religiously, which remains to be seen, it will self-destruct racially because Christian whiteness is viewed as a purely incidental, and probably undesirable, attribute.

Racially, the Duggars and others like them are already the Gosselins. It’s simply a matter of time.

However, large natural families like the Duggars or the German American family I mentioned at the outset are concrete examples, or models, of how population expansion, under current conditions or within a white ethnostate, can begin. The higher the total fertility rate, the quicker population recovery can occur.

The individuals and movements discussed here demonstrate concretely how natalism could work for anyone, right now, in practice. Christian natalists are altering their lifestyles and behavior without possessing a state of their own, separating themselves and their families now—ideologically, psychologically, behaviorally, and educationally (via home schooling) in ways that conscious whites have yet to match.

The good news is that there is a substantial amount of cumulative experience, information, and guidance for young whites to draw upon should they choose this path. Like their forebears and contemporary “quiverfull” Christians, young whites would have to develop faith that they could make it.

Perhaps the greatest leap forward has been the huge reduction in infant mortality. In the past as many as one-third to one-half of children born might perish before reaching reproductive maturity.

Today, almost all children conceived will survive, even in the largest families. This is something new under the sun, greatly enhancing the possibility of population recovery. Fertility drugs, despite drawbacks, could also prove advantageous.

In terms of white survival, concerned families would have to develop, sustain, and transmit across successive generations a powerful sense of individual and group identity effectively rooted in whiteness.

The primary problem for whites, as for Christians, is the powerful undertow produced by a deeply hostile, all-intrusive, one-sided culture capable of nullifying all of their hard work. Defection and intergenerational attrition is likely to remain high as long as control of the culture and government remain in alien hands.

The siren call of the sewer, the gutter, and the mass will remain stronger than culturally transmitted family values for a long time to come.

 

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18 Comments

  1. Posted February 14, 2012 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I am visiting home, which is the Land Where the TV Shall Never Be Turned Off and finally caught an episode of the Duggars. For what it’s worth, not only did this woman birth 19 white kids (good looking too!) but 19 blue eyed kids, which I see as a wonderful thing, given the recessive nature of that gene. They’re actually a good looking couple minus the fundie get-up and hair. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jim_Bob_%26_Michelle_Duggar.jpg

  2. phil
    Posted February 6, 2012 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    The situation could have been summed up by this line at the end.

    “Defection and intergenerational attrition is likely to remain high as long as control of the culture and government remain in alien hands”

    The best response is to keep repeating, ala whitakeronline.org, the obvious truth that there is a purposfully on going white genocide. Goebbels was right, repetition, repetition repetition.

  3. Stronza
    Posted February 6, 2012 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    @rhondda. That is a beautiful story of your son and his development into a mature man.

    I am not sure – were you making a connection between his attendance at the birth and his conversion into a responsible man? I know that my father didn’t attend the births of me and my brothers and sisters and he bore a heavy sense of responsibility to us. I wish he was still around.

    • rhondda
      Posted February 6, 2012 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

      @Stonza

      The attendance of the birth was necessary so he would connect with a real life event and not some brainwashed movie screen that trivializes it. She laboured for almost two days. This is labour in a physical sense which is also very emotional. To get back to the time when women looked after all this stuff, it has to be regarded as significant and important. It cannot be a sentimental ‘she had my baby shlock’. The inquisition killed all the midwives and all that knowledge was discredited. The fact that women are demanding midwives now is a step in the right direction. That with the modern medical stuff that can deal with problems is a bonus. Romantic sexual love is important to white women. The fear that cultural Marxism exploited was that of becoming a drudge which resulted in the individualist idea of becoming self sufficient. Very very white. One only has to read about women labelled witches and burned at the stake to invoke that fear of complete and utter subjugation. Alot of it is totally unconscious, My daughter in law is very bright and smart. She asked me once ‘its about communication isn’t it?’
      He has his buddies, she has her girlfriends. They are doing great. Most of then are having babies.
      Cultural Marxism also told men that to be a stud was to be a man, so those young men who wanted marriage were getting the message they were not men. Hence the idolization of Julian Assange and the the illegitimate children he has. Mr stud.
      The good thing about video games is that they played warriors and learned to strategize, hand eye coordination etc. Useful stuff to call up if needed and mostly boys played it.
      The racial consciousness is there albeit implicit. One of my son’s friends chose a Japanese girl. My son’s comment was at least I chose a white girl.

  4. rhondda
    Posted February 4, 2012 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    @Stronza

    While I agree that birthing should be women’s business, I also know that for my son he suddenly realized his responsibility to this new life. When I visited them, it was like seeing the H9ly Family. A few years ago he told me he was too selfish to have a kid. Yet seeing the love and adoration he has for his wife and child now just melts me to the core. Also, his brother is just so pleased to be an uncle. I am somewhat gobsmacked. He is not working for only money now. He has a new goal. These young men who are all into violent video games and movies as mine were and I always tried to make the distinction between imagination and reality, sometimes really do have to have that fall from the tower (tarot card 16) into a real world. It is generally called responsibility. A word that should not be abstract.

  5. Natalist
    Posted February 4, 2012 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    A few practical suggestions for White parents who want to minimize defection and backsliding.

    Make it clear that disinheritance and permanent shunning will result from any miscegenation. A cultural group that imposes these penalties would be ideal. Then each family wouldn’t have to make an example of at least one backslider to show they mean business, just one would suffice. “Now dear, you don’t want to end up like Mary, on welfare, abandoned by her negro “lover” and stuck in a section 8 apartment for the next 18 years!”

    That would be the disincentive. The incentive would be strong family support for all loyal children, supporting their businesses, their first home purchases and real education in profitable trades. The vile individualist poison that claims all young people must lift themselves up by their bootstraps, throwing them out at age 18 into a heartless world controlled by enemy aliens (rootless cosmopolitans for example) must be absolutely rejected. Buying a home for your son and his wife doesn’t make him a loser, it enables him to have plenty of grandchildren for his parents to dote on, an unmitigated Darwinian success!

    Reject individualism, shun traitors, repopulate the White world.

  6. Jaego Scorzne
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Women must be raised to do their duty – and thus become worthy of the honor that is bestowed upon them now for no reason at all. Until things get back to this normal, no woman is getting my seat in the lifeboat.

    Obviously not all women will choose this path, but it should be the norm as it used to be. Careers are a possibility for mothers, but they must come later. The norm now is the opposite of all this and the propaganda for it is relentless.

    Cetainly nothing is sadder and more pathetic than career women whose looks are gone trying to snare a husband. And having children at this point is problematic to say the least. A generation of doctors lied to women by telling them what they wanted to hear.

  7. Lew
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    In terms of organizational approach, I agree the evangelicals are a pretty good model. They have their own TV, radio, journalism, book publishing, music studios, community centers, youth groups, leadership training, legal networks and even universities. They have done a fine job establishing their own counter institutions in the face of a society that hates them. Of course it helps that they have a lot of money at their disposal. A distinct advantage.

    • phil
      Posted February 6, 2012 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

      Great point.

  8. Stronza
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Your husband is normal for “just about faint[ing] and [running] away.” In traditional societies, including our long-gone one, it was understood that birthing was women’s business. No way would a man be there, attending the event, coaching (!), watching a baby slide out of his wife’s body. It was not done.

    Earlier societies understood that some things are not meant to be shared by men and women. Things started to get messed up when male doctors took over the practice of medicine and childbirth. It is feminists who want to torture men by forcing them to partake of the birth of their children. They know that seeing this rather difficult and messy event would have a subtle, negative effect on men’s attraction to women. Some things must stay mysterious for there to be a strong attraction between male & female.

  9. Adalhelm
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    @rhondda

    Your post is pretty much spot on. A young female coworker of mine recently had a baby boy. She’s still a teenager. Well no less than two years after she had her baby her boyfriend broke it off because now she’s “fat.” That is what this wonderful white boy told her (she’s white too).

    So long as there are plasticized, anorexia-ridden, botoxed, liposuctioned, silicone-breasted “women” out there able to be bought for a dime a dozen, flesh and blood women who want to be good mothers don’t stand a chance. This is not women’s fault. Men who cannot control their sex drive are at fault. Men invest so much in looks now that anyone who isn’t siliconed, anorexia-ridden, botoxed and plasticized doesn’t stand a chance. Angelina Jolie or Pamela Anderson anyone?

    • Posted February 4, 2012 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

      Having a child is no excuse for a woman to get fat.

      I think it is terrible that young man left his mate, however, the idea that women gain 20+ pounds because they have a child is a totally brand new thing. Women have a responsibility to try to stay attractive for their mates, especially if we expect a monogamous relationship where the man supports us.

      Further, the comparison to gaunt unattractive plastic surgery nightmares is a red herring. Not being fat does not mean being anorexic. It means not being fat. Being fat is gross. It shows weakness.

  10. jack
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    I don’t really see the problem with a decreased western birth rate as technology advances there is less need for an active workforce with most of the factory and other jobs shipped overseas not to mention in the future advances in automation which will further decrease the need for an active labour workforce.

    The problem is the immigration of 3rd world immigrants although that is not really a problem in Europe as the majority of economic migration is from the newer EU countries like Poland.

  11. Fourmyle of Ceres
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    THEIR GOAL IS GENOCIDE. OURS. WHAT’S YOURS?

    No.

    I have worked with people who took the “Biblical/Mormon Revelation” of having larger families with many children quite literally. I have seen the spirits of the parents crushed with the burden of raising more children than they could afford to raise PROPERLY.

    It is amazing expensive to have children; all the more so, if you consider the opportunity costs of what you COULD have done with your life. And f if you want tremendous heartbreak, “sharper than a serpent’s tooth” heartbreak, wait until your children reject you, for whatever reason, and allow you little role, if any, in the lives of your grandchildren.

    Years ago, I volunteered in a “retirement/assisted living facility,” and I was stunned at how callously the elders who had given their lives for their children were treated by their posterity. I was asked to help engage them in a writing program, where they were encouraged to write little autobiographies.

    I shifted the topic a bit, with fascinating results. I changed the topic to write their projected biographies as if they had never met their husbands or wives. I was stunned, absolutely stunned, by the results.

    It was like a magic switch had turned on. One story I will never forget began with his real life story – he was assigned to help the electrician’s with the Westinghouse Something something something on date “X.” Date “X” was the Battle of Midway. He went on to be an electrician in real life. In the alternative life he got his degrees (plural) in electrical engineering, working with guys named William Norris, and Seymour Cray. The story went on from there, with him getting a job with Gene Amdahl, but you see the pattern. He LOVED electrical engineering, but he had to remain a electrician because he married right out of the service, and had to work around the clock to support his wife, who wanted many children, who put him in a nursing home, after taking all of his money from him.

    There were more like that, and my heart broke as I realized the tremendous loss of human potential in them accepting dutiful lives, to their religions and their birth families, than to their duty to Mankind.

    A better metaphor might revise and extend the issue from quantity of fruit, to quality of fruit; better, more productive, more nutritious. These require tiger mothers and wolf fathers, and are a good part of the reason for the success of our Jewish and Asiatic brethren. High attention, high value-added, high investment, very expensive, and worth every penny spent, and every minute invested.

    What’s In YOUR Future? Focus Northwest!

  12. rhondda
    Posted February 3, 2012 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    So how are you going to convince young women now a days that they have a moral duty to their race to become a cow and breed every year? I thought it was the quality of the white race and the emotional and financial investment placed in the children that was a defining factor in Euro/Anglo demographics. Guess not. Do you have any idea what birthing a baby does to a woman’s body? Guess not. Having had two, with idiot doctors, thank goodness my daughter in law had a female midwife. That might make a difference. Although men can now become nurses, I doubt they can become midwives. There is just something about the experience. While my son braved the whole experience with her, my husband just about fainted and ran away. It is not abstract. Rather a very visceral and concrete event.

    • Posted February 3, 2012 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

      I suppose perfect can’t be the enemy of good….4 is better than 3 etc.

      This is why I don’t worry about our supposed dwindling numbers…policies enacted AFTER we get our own state, or Europe back or whatever happens will incentivize women to have more children- compounded with lower rates of infant death and we could give the Chinese a run for their money.

    • Posted February 6, 2012 at 9:48 am | Permalink

      You’re right, quality should be more important than quantity. Besides, there are successful groups that have small numbers.

      You cannot have a discussion about women having children without also having a discussion about the quality of men and the many reasons that more women aren’t having children today. Most women actually do want kids. But intelligent women in history did not have to raise their children themselves. They had slaves or governesses.

      A lot of women would rather work than raise several children on just their husband’s income (and thus live in near-poverty). Plus, a lot of men these days were raised with working mothers, and will actually expect their wife to work, even if she has kids. Who will want that life? Not many. Consequently, the only women with children are 1) those with a very strong desire, and 2) those with enough money.

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