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Internet Bloodsports

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January 2018 was truly a historic month for White Nationalism as we saw our movement break out of the echo chamber in a big way.

For as much attention as White Nationalism gets from the mainstream media, it is rare to see an honest representation of our ideas. Even the Alt Lite avoided them. To hear our ideas, people still had to seek them out. You had to go to a website, go to a message board, download a podcast, etc. They had to step into our world. Into our echo chamber.

But suddenly White Nationalists have successfully colonized a small corner of YouTube and have encountered normies. We find ourselves battling stubborn CivNats and slippery libertarians as we push inland towards lush parts of the internet outside our echo chamber.

If you are a White Nationalist, you are probably now of the belief that there is a greater than 50% chance that YouTuber Andy Warski is the Chosen One as prophesized by the ancients who has been appointed by God to save the white race in our hour of desperate need. I leave that one to the theologians.

But one could be forgiven for thinking that because in just a few short weeks, Andy Warski and his YouTube show Warski Live have revitalized and re-energized the movement and has caused a persistent buzz throughout the greater alt media universe.

I can only imagine what it must be like to be one of the people who started following Andy Warski when he was still a normie-friendly comedian/commentator doing funny videos and innocuous chat streams with other equally normie-friendly e-celebs. This was in fact only a couple months ago.

Then out of the blue, Warski hires race realist biologist J. F. Gariepy to be the co-host of his show and in the space of one month, introduces his audience to virtual “who’s who” in White Nationalists: Millennial Woes, Richard Spencer, Mike Enoch, Greg Johnson, James Allsup, Nick Fuentes, the Alternative Hypothesis, Jared Taylor, and more.

I have to say that I envy Warksi’s normie followers. It took me years to discover all those people. Warski’s normie fans are getting a serious crash course in White Nationalism.

And if you are a White Nationalist, you are probably also of the opinion that internet bloodsports is the greatest thing since . . . well, ever.

Andy Warski’s “internet bloodsports” model for political debate is in many ways truly revolutionary. Warski has pioneered a discussion format that makes “big brained politics” fun, exciting, intense, and raw. It is neither a Crossfire-style shoutfest, nor is it a gentlemanly Oxford affair. Rather, it’s like an intellectual Fight Club. A sort of demolition derby for smart guys.

Throughout the month of January, a series of high-profile YouTube debates occurred, the most noteworthy being JF vs Destiny, Richard Spencer vs Sargon of Akkad, Greg Johnson vs Styx, Mike Enoch vs Antifa, and Mister Metokur vs Laura Loomer.

Consensus opinion is these debates were White Nationalist victories, and it’s hard to deny that they’ve had a noticeable effect of pushing the Overton Window and shaking up the playing field to our advantage. All of a sudden, liberals and libertarians are talking about race realism and ethnostates. Not flatteringly, mind you, but it is a sign that White Nationalists are driving the discussion and choosing the topics.

Consider, in the last week Paul Nehlen appeared on Alex Jones’s InfoWars channel, David Duke’s podcast, and was interviewed by Rebel Media. That is quite remarkable when you consider that a year ago, only David Duke would have gone anywhere near someone with Paul Nehlen’s views. Alt Lite figures Tree of Knowledge, StyxHexenHammer, No Bullshit, Ricky Vaughn, and Jesse Lee Peterson held discussions with White Nationalists throughout January.

That people outside our movement are becoming more willing to engage with us is an encouragement development. The movement has been in an “Us Against the World” siege mentality for so long that some had forgotten that having allies was even a possibility.

With the “Branding Wars” settled, I see no reason why we cannot have better relations with the less disagreeable figures outside our movement. There was a time when one could make an argument that associating with moderates might confuse the media and public about what we believe. But at this point, I think most of the public is aware that there is a difference between the Alt Lite and White Nationalism. And no one is trying to co-opt the “Alt Right” label anymore either.  Everyone knows what “Alt Right” means, and ain’t no one’s gonna call themselves “Alt Right” that doesn’t mean it.

Additionally, our own platforms are under assault all over the internet, so it’s probably a good idea to have some access to other platforms. Plus, there’s also the obvious consideration that if you want to normalize your ideology, you have to go where the normies are.

Perhaps this is a sign that the Overton Window is shifting, possibly (at least in part) of the result the impact internet bloodsports has had demonstrated White Nationalism’s ability to get views and generate buzz for the platforms that host them.

“Bloodsports” is an appropriate name for this phenomenon because in these sort of debates, one can do more than merely lose the debate. You can completely wreck your reputation, social standing, or even career by looking like dishonest, uninformed, or just plain stupid.

The definitive example here would be Sargon of Akkad whose dismal performance and dishonest arguments in a bloodsport against Richard Spencer had far-reaching consequences. The embarrassment of Sargon’s loss was so great and the damage to the Skeptic brand so extensive, that Sargon and his community are in the process of re-branding themselves as “Liberalists” (because they believe in classical liberalism, you see).  The Liberalists are not so much a movement or an ideology as much as they a think tank of white kids trying to come up with reasons not become White Nationalists.

Another example would be SJW YouTuber Omni Destiny. His loss to J. F. Gariepy in a debate over race realism appeared to trigger a mental breakdown in the lad. This resulted in him going on a libel and slander spree all over social media. This culminated in Omni getting banned from Twitter and is now facing a lawsuit for slander.

Making the world safe for people who can’t tell a fedora from a trilby

Likewise, Styx was the consensus loser in his debate with Greg Johnson. This apparently provoked some serious soul-searching in Styx who the decided that maybe centrism wasn’t for him after all. So internet bloodsports is not just a nice tool for winning converts. It’s also great for discrediting your rivals.

And this is what makes internet bloodsports thrilling: that they are in a way “for real.” They are great entertainment but have so far shown that they can have actual real-world consequences. Whereas mainstream media figures can say ridiculous things every day of their life without any detrimental effect to their career, self-employed alt media figures need their credibility to thrive.

To get the full effect of internet bloodsports, you have to watch them live because YouTube’s Super Chat feature serves as the audience for these gladiatorial spectacles. This allows the people watching live to inject commentary into the discussion and influence the conversation. They’re still enjoyable on replay, but to get the real “bareknuckle prizefight in an abandoned warehouse” experience, watching live is recommended.

To add an extra layer of unpredictability, new participants can enter or leave the debate throughout the course of the stream, often at the Super Chat audience’s request. If one person is being ganged up on by other debaters or if one side if performing stronger than or if the conversation gets stale, an additional debater may be thrown in to shake things up.

While these matches are indeed great fun, what really intrigues is their obvious potential as a propaganda tool and as a means of redpilling normies.

How effective internet bloodsports are as a tool for redpilling and recruiting normies remains to be seen. It’s normal for there to be a digestion period between one’s first contact with White Nationalist ideas and finally embracing them. Seeing that the bloodsports trend is barely a month old, we may not see the full benefits for a few months.

But the potential for bloodsports to be an effective propaganda tool is clearly there. One of the things bloodsports have done is bring a lot of the various factions of the greater Alt Media universe together.

Case in point is the January 22 stream on Baked Alaska channel. The stream featured over the course of +3 hours Mike Enoch, Laura Loomer, Lauren Southern, Andy Warski, and Mister Metokur. That would be two people from the Alt Lite (Loomer and Southern), two people who emerged out of the Skeptic Community (Warski and Metokur), and a prominent White Nationalist (Enoch). Seeing that everyone was drawing from slightly different fanbases, all the participants are sure to get new eyes on them and has an opportunity to win converts. Assuming they don’t say something stupid, that is.

And there is reason for optimism. According to Coach Red Pill’s monthly YouTube rankings, White Nationalists who had recently participated in a Warski bloodsport (JF, Richard Spencer, Millennial Woes, Alternative Hypothesis) had all shown significant growth. It’s also worth noting that the #1 channel on CRP’s YouTube rankings is Kronos, an account that aggregates Alt Right content for easy YouTube consumption.

And indeed buzz they have generated.

Throughout the month of January, it has been like the Super Bowl was happening every few days in my Twitter feed. Whether it was Spencer vs Sargon or Enoch vs Antifa, my feed was full of people live-tweeting the debate, giving play-by-play commentary, and of course, heckling rival fans. Post-match analysis comes later and then the memes. The glorious memes immortalizing all blunders and absurd arguments of losing debaters.

Internet bloodsports has already produced some classic memes. Of course, there’s also Sargon’s infamous appeal to authority “Haven’t you even read Locke?” and Styx’s progressively preposterous “You can’t have an ethnostate because what if…?” scenarios have been lampooned into oblivion. Murdoch Murdoch, White Nationalism’s answer to South Park, devoted an entire episode ridiculing Sargon of Akkad’s abysmal debate performance.

It’s much the same on WN message boards where the last bloodsport match tends to dominate the conversation until the next one happens. If nothing else, internet bloodsports have given people in the movement something to talk about other than infight.

While I’ve never been a sports fan, I’ve always envied how a sports fan can walk up to a completely stranger, start talking about sports, and have instant rapport. It’s a shame professional sports has become hopelessly degenerate, as there is some real social value to sports as something for people in a community to bond over. The effects of internet bloodsports has had on morale is immeasurable.

So what is the future of internet bloodsports? Well, I could see it becoming the next big thing, but I could also see it becoming a fad.

The biggest problem with internet bloodsports so far is the shortage of quality opponents willing to debate White Nationalists. After Sargon’s debate drubbing and the weeks of public ridicule that followed, most Skeptics appear to be are afraid to debate White Nationalists, and I don’t blame them. And many liberals refuse to debate White Nationalists in principle, believing that even engaging us legitimizes our positions.

When Jared Taylor appeared on Warski Live on January 31, Andy Warski said that he asked 12 people to debate Taylor, but they all declined on the grounds that they needed to do more research first. In other words, they were saying “I know Jared Taylor is wrong. I just need to figure out why first.”

But this issue presents a problem for White Nationalists. Warski Live has been an asset to the movement precisely because it hosts discussions outside our own echo chamber. But if people become too scared to debate us, then Warski Live risks of turning into another echo chamber.

The ideal bloodsport opponent for our purposes would be someone of a different ideology with a large fanbase and high name recognition. The issue is that a person like that would not have much to gain by entering into debate that could severely tarnish his image. We got lucky with Sargon of Akkad, because while he had all the ingredients for a good opponent, he also lacked the self-awareness to realize that debating the Alt Right was a very bad idea.

It would be hard for White Nationalists to create their own version of Warski Live because liberals and moderates would be less inclined to debate White Nationalists where they believed we had home field advantage. The bloodsports model depends on the perception of Andy Warski as a centrist and Warski Live as neutral ground for a debate.

Surely there must be some SJW comedians in the world of standup willing to step up to fill the void. Comics tend to be serious attention whores, and most could use the exposure. Surely, there must be a few out there willing to debate some racists in order to plug their web series.

Another danger is that internet bloodsports could become low-brow.

In the aforementioned Baked Alaska stream, various alt media figures spent over three hours crucifying Laura Loomer over her various boneheaded misdeeds (the tire, the doxxing, stalking allegations). While this was a very amusing stream and good times were had by all, but you couldn’t help noticing light it was on intellectual substance. It was fun but only in a dirty pro wrestling sort of way.

Warski’s bloodsports model is simple enough that it would be easier for someone else to steal it and then just make it dumber. Seeing that the insults are some of the best remembered moments, why not just forgo the intellectual sparring and just make bloodsports about insults, gossips, and scandal?

And of course, there is the ever-present possibility of censorship. Liberals have become aware of internet bloodsports, and the SLPC recently posted an article on the trend.

Whatever the future holds for internet bloodsports, they are for the time being fresh and fascinating spectacles. Hopefully they will continue until there is only one ideology left standing. But even if internet bloodsports do turn out to be just a fad, that’s all the more reason to enjoy them while you can.

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22 Comments

  1. Lyle Bright
    Posted February 11, 2018 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Having made an effort to at least review some of these YouTube Battles I must confess I am not impressed. I am now more leary and suspicious that these people become celebrity figures and earn a good deal of money as performers. I do not think this will work out well in the end.

    I am not impressed by the intellectual level of people like Baked Alaska and Andrew Anglin. I got the impression that it is they who operate from a talking points list. Though I definitely think that white identity is highly relevant, and that a strong white identity can then lead to shifts in white people’s relationship to the manipulations of our present (the war against white identity), it seems to me a simple fact that a white identity platform, as a viable and strong position, will need to be constructed over time. If what I say is true the construction, and the reconsruction, of white identity will have to take place over many years. It will not be gained nor established in a day. And it will not be successfully nor permanently constructed in a YouTube video nor on the basis of mere sentiment.

    I actually see the outcome of these debates somewhat differently. I see Sargon’s position as having a more solid intellectual foundation (I listened to his debate with Spencer and with Anglin) and though I do well understand Spencer’s position I feel he will need to translate the separatist desire into a form that can be explained coherently. Though I can appreciate Anglin and to some extent admire his bold stances I do not see him as having much intellectual formation or foundation at all. Therefor he seems just to fall back on his ‘talking points’. There has to be genuine content around which to construct a white identity posture. Therefor, it seems to me that Sargon’s classical liberal posture is relatively sound, though it will have to become radicalized. That is, we desire to live in a liberal social structure but we desire that people resolve to defend their own identity posture within that structure. Sargon is right to indicate suspicion of those who would use the authority of the state to determine a political and social shift which must arise organically. It seems to me that a great deal more productive and geneuine conversation and sharing of ideas and perspectives need to occur between the ‘Sargons’ and the ‘Spencers’. But it needs to take place in a structured way and also intellectually. (And if you are reading this Richard: avoid drinking as you go into a debate).

    What I have seen so far in these Bloodsport rehearsals has not inspired me to want to go back for more.

    To resurrect Europe, to rescue Europe (if you will), to successfuly resist the many levels of destructive influence that are acting against strong identity and cohesion among Europeans and the European-descended, will require a far more thorough and demanding reconstruction of ideology and spirtual orientation in the individual. That is the first step. That is where the ‘platform’ is. It has to be fully and successfully developed within the individual and then spread to groups of individuals.

    Additionally, I have not been at all happy with the attacks on the women who have come forward within this movement in ideas. In relation to this I am actually of the opinion that Lauren Southern by continuing in her project, and in this case reporting on South Africa, is demonstrating how an identity posture can and should coalesce and, in one area or in another, take some specific action. She seems to me to be making better choices in the use of her intelligence and her time. I am worried that some of the others will get bogged into their monetized stardom, become seduced by the income, and fail to continue to do the very hard work of establishing a viable identity movement.

    • Lyle Bright
      Posted February 11, 2018 at 6:21 am | Permalink

      Leery not leary.

    • Kai Wesselchak
      Posted February 15, 2018 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

      Lyle, great points. I would like to stress that one of our best “talking points” also conjures up your idea of organically re-discovering our White Identity rather than anticipating some top-down, immediate, statist solution to the problem: allowing people true freedom of association, namely in housing/schools (no more forced diversity, section 8, criminalizing separtism, etc–all of which force Whites to move around endlessly in search of a new safe haven from diversity, destroying social and economic capital in the process).

      This is easy to win libertarians over with (at least, if they sincerely believe in free association), and it helps to point out that White Americans already do seek homogeneity, despite all the hurdles the state puts in their way.

  2. Didymus
    Posted February 8, 2018 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Do people really change their ideology based on the contestation of niche E-Celebs™ in a skype call? Either way, it’s depressing.

  3. Name
    Posted February 8, 2018 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    The next barrier to be broken is the new Peterson Academians, the Alt Lite is finished and so is the Skeptics.
    Gad Saad, Jordan Peterson, Steven Pinker, etc
    They’re just like the “Skepitcs” (sorry, “Liberalists”) but for “adults” and “intellectuals” – but they harbor so much “credential power” that they must be accessed, specially because it became their life mission to be a barrier against us or anyone trying to move further right.

    • K
      Posted February 8, 2018 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

      I would be genuinely surprised if any of them tried to debate. They are in fact a little more disingenous than people like Sargon. They know about IQ differences and racial differences; they will just avoid the topic and throw a fit like Peterson. No one wants to debate Taylor because all they are going to end up doing is lose. (((They))) don’t give Taylor a platform because they can’t win in a debate so they use slander and libel. I am sure Peterson and the rest are highly aware of the truth.

  4. FKA Max
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    What a great piece!

    Thoroughly insightful and entertaining, e.g.:

    “If nothing else, internet bloodsports have given people in the movement something to talk about other than infight.”

    “But at this point, I think most of the public is aware that there is a difference between the Alt Lite and White Nationalism. And no one is trying to co-opt the “Alt Right” label anymore either. Everyone knows what “Alt Right” means, and ain’t no one’s gonna call themselves “Alt Right” that doesn’t mean it.”

    I love the “But Greg, what if… ?” meme.

    I actually interpret it slightly differently than it is meant/supposed to be understood; when Mr. Johnson first participated in these debates a fair number of WNs were saying that it was beneath him to engage with these Youtube “intellectuals”, but like the article, correctly, states “Plus, there’s also the obvious consideration that if you want to normalize your ideology, you have to go where the normies are.”

    “But Greg, what if… engaging low-brow Youtubers backfires and ruins the good name and reputation of Counter-Currents?”

    There is a saying in German, that I have followed over the years whenever I was concerned about what other people would think about me, when I was about to take a social or reputational risk:

    “Ist der Ruf erst ruiniert, lebt es sich ganz ungeniert.”

    Translation: “Until you’ve lost your reputation, you never realize what a burden it was or what freedom really is. [Margaret Mitchell]” – https://www.dict.cc/?s=Ist+der+Ruf+erst+ruiniert+lebt+es+sich+ganz+ungeniert

    This does not mean that I don’t care about my reputation or the quality of my output, but rather that I have stopped worrying too much about social, in-group norms and conventions, i.e., political correctness, etc.

    The standard I measure myself by is that as long as my intentions are pure and I gave something my best and honest effort (researched something I comment on in-depth, etc.), the action I took, even if it does not result in a victory/success or I am ultimately proven wrong, was still the right and honorable thing to do, and thus my internal sense of self-worth and reputation remains intact.

    So, thanks to Mr. Johnson for leaving the WN “comfort and condoning zone”, taking a risk and pushing forward into uncharted and unclaimed territory.

    Truth(fulness) and a good sense of humor are our best allies in this endeavor, and this article perfectly encapsulates both.

    Thanks again, for the great read.

  5. DinoCon
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    If I were to recommend people to debate in debates, I feel that the best targets would be progressive, Bernie Bro types. They are just as much against the Democrat establishment as we are the Republicans, and there also is a surprising amount of overlap in terms of some economic policies.

  6. Niko
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    I also wonder how sustainable this is, but it’s getting harder and harder to ignore us and leftists will be enticed to engage us online if only for the exposure they’d get. This is the reason b-list leftists go on Tucker Carlson’s show even though he consistently defeats them.

    The real trick, as you said, would be to rope a high profile leftist e-celeb into a debate with /ourguy.

    Oh yes, and Sargon is officially finished engaging with the alt-right– check Kronos’ channel.

  7. Rob Bottom
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    The best they have is like shooting ducks in a barrel, because the liberals that would pose a real threat in a debate refuse to do so! By the same token, it’s almost an act of charity for Jared Taylor and Greg Johnson to spend a few hours educating leftist youtube e-celebrities and their followers. It’s appreciated, and it’s reaching a younger crowd, but I see it as a fad. You can only go over the same material and arguments so many times before an audience will grow tired of it. They’re going to have to move increasingly into taboo or unrelated topics, which may conflate the alt-right with subjects we’d rather it not.

    I hope that the popularity of these conversations encourages some heavy-hitting liberals like Steven Pinker and Jordan Peterson to take on our best (they could be scheduling debates on their respective turfs). That would be worth tuning into, but sadly they seem too full of themselves to do it. Perhaps they can get Sam Harris on to debate Stefan Molyneux on race realism, but even that is probably a stretch.

  8. Lexi
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    “The Liberalists are not so much a movement or an ideology as much as they a think tank of white kids trying to come up with reasons not become White Nationalists.”

    Brilliant. Unfortunately, if they do decide to visit our platforms, they will find a reason not to become White nationalists in the comments section. Some choice bits:

    “Women fuck up everything they touch.”

    “MWPA (make women property again)”

    In regard to a White woman publicly acknowledging her pro-refugee activism was a mistake:

    “Some nationalist should handcuff her to her bed and call her pets over.”

    “Hey bitch, you made that mess, you clean it up.” (17 upvotes for this gem.)

    I understand the anger and frustration, but this is counterproductive to the point of sabotage. The comments section of public alt-Right websites should not be a group therapy forum for angry White men to vent their rage and vindicate stereotypes about White activists.

    These comments don’t bother me in and of themselves, but the vote counts tell the tale. These sentiments enjoy widespread sympathy in our movement. If the leadership disagree, they are not willing to say so for some reason. If the purity spiraling is not brought under control, the alt-Right will self-destruct.
    If I were an anti-White trying to destroy the movement, I would do exactly what these commenters are doing.

    Make the alt-Right pro-White again.

    • Peter
      Posted February 8, 2018 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

      Bravo! The alt-right / White Nationalism invincable? Oh dear God… as you say: the comment sections tell some story… amply confirming, PROVING, each and any view / fear that normies have about the Right: violence, intolerance, oppressiveness, aggressiveness, mob behavior. And apparently all in accordance with the leadership, no word, no objection ever against all the calls for extermination eradication ropes… what have you.
      How on earth can you screw up the easiest sell in the world: self-determination, i.e. the right of people to determine their own life, who they want to live with etc.? Well this is how you screw that up: tie it with violent IQ-80 mobs, i.e WN Rightists, as evidenced by the comment scetions: THAT WAY you drive away your constituency that otherwise would be on their knees lapping up your message. But with IQ-80 raging mobs connected to the message of White racial self-determination? You do the impossible: you drive people away from even what they want most.
      Good job, WN !

      • Lexi
        Posted February 10, 2018 at 8:15 am | Permalink

        Well that’s that. It appears I’m banned now. Oh well. I tried.

        I have systematically demolished the premises of MGTOW misogyny on that site. A parting shot: Why on Earth would we need White Sharia if women are especially susceptible to conditioning and the internalization of societal norms? Wouldn’t that actually suggest that it is men who need to be forcefully brought to heel and forced to give up their treasonous conduct, i.e. demanding the importation of cheap non-White labor?

        Women are easy to manipulate.

        Women must be ruled with an iron fist.

        Pick one.

        Apologies to AR if I’m mistaken.

    • mmc
      Posted February 9, 2018 at 7:51 am | Permalink

      Yes, the comment section of AR videos is where dysfunctional people go to vent their dysfunction.

      There is more than a little truth to the statements about dumb Goy by the Master Race.

      There is a reason the White Race is kept down by evil leaches.

      The problem Brutus, is not in the stars or in Jews, but in ourselves….

  9. Claus Brinker
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    WNs should put out more vocal calls for challengers. There are surely plenty of liberals who lack self awareness and think they could win in debate.

    • Privada Machina
      Posted February 7, 2018 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

      “WNs should put out more vocal calls for challengers. There are surely plenty of liberals who lack self awareness and think they could win in debate.”

      This. I would go as far to say that WN’s should be creating sock accounts to help entice e-celebs into thinking that they would ‘make them look like a fool’ ‘or ‘help destroy racism for good’ etc etc. We should be thinking in terms of how we can leverage out message into more normie ears. IMO, this is our best move forward.

  10. Petronius
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    I guess things are getting exciting for everyone interested in political debates, as there is communication now beyond the filter bubbles, and that is surely far more interesting than anything the mainstream media has to offer.

    Apropos freshly minted “classic memes”, my favourite was Woe’s question to Sargon whether Lawrence Fishburne was black… and the dude seriously said he didn’t know.

    My guess is there is a huge Dunning-Kruger syndrome at work in the scepticuck community…

  11. Michael Smith
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    ‘The Liberalists are not so much a movement or an ideology as much as they a think tank of white kids trying to come up with reasons not become White Nationalists’

    Indeed

    but I wonder what their real reason for rejecting alt right politics and White self determination is?

    ‘We got lucky with Sargon of Akkad, because while he had all the ingredients for a good opponent, he also lacked the self-awareness to realise that debating the Alt Right was a very bad idea’

    I am puzzled by Sargon, he seems to understand that White identity politics is anathema but was not able to realise that the Alt Right is essentially all those ideas deemed not acceptable by Jews and therefore to be pushed out of mainstream conservatism. Its almost as if he has the instinct to render topics verboten but lacks the intelligence to realise that the Jews did this through intellectual and political bullying. That he did not realise what he was taking on were genuinely forbidden ideas (mainly because they are correct and cannot be refuted in good faith) as opposed to his fake controversial ones is astonishing.

    The Liberalist (nee Skeptic) community to my mind always lacked self awareness. How egotistical must you be to consider yourself intellectuals for attacking such low hanging fruits as feminism and the absolute lowest of the low Afrocentrism without addressing your own intellectual conceits first. That always struck me as weird and hypocritical in its immaturity. I would forgive someone aged 19 new to Youtube but several of the people are aged 30 plus and have kids and are actually long time internet personalities.

    The way I see the Skeptic community is that they were attempting to be gatekeepers albeit they turned out to be not very effective ones. There seem to be many people like this. For example Based mama and Dave Cullen (computing forever) the people who set up that ‘free speech event’ which turned out to be nothing of the sort with unwritten rules about which topics could and could not be addressed and depending on who you ask was something of a scam There is always a desire to present themselves as being supremely rational and to be all in favour of free speech but then when you get down to it certain topics can never be addressed in good faith.

    I despair when I see such mediocrities presenting themselves as authorities. With what I have learned here on Counter Currents over the years I could demolish any of these wannabe Intellectuals.

  12. Lemur
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    To keep it relatively discursive, I’d be inclined to follow Greg’s example when the Academic Agent degenerated into leveling purely rhetorical barbs like comparing our agenda with that of Stalin: refuse to dignify it with an answer. It takes two to tango. That sort of silliness falls flat when it isn’t fanned into a fire by a response. The hosts will want to keep things interesting, so they’ll start penalizing our opponents if they repeatedly stall the conversation.

    Certainly, we should bring a level of thumos to these debates, but it should always be subordinated to the primary aim of setting out right wing ideas in a coherent and attractive manner. Toward that end, the style of the debate as well as arguments must be managed.

  13. ellone
    Posted February 7, 2018 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Maybe the fear of open debate is the real reason why browsers and computers are getting slower and slower, as they become bloated with JavaScript adware.

    • Craig
      Posted February 7, 2018 at 8:26 am | Permalink

      Could be the ISP, my internet at one stage was really slow so I stated ringing up my provider about it. The provider help desk was situated in South Africa. It took about 4 phone calls before I managed to get a sympathetic white south African, where he informed me that my internet had been shaped down purposely, being I’m not P.C.

      The 3 previous blacks that I had spoken to just said “They couldn’t help me.”.

      If google, twitter, facebook are all censorious, I imagine many ISP’s are shaping our data usage to the useless side of the spectrum.

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