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On a recent trip to California, I got to spend some time in Ojai, a small, rustic town, high in the mountains, north of LA. Ojai is known as an enclave of a certain type of California “cool.” Its inhabitants are the kind of people who dislike the stress of LA but don’t want to be too far away from it, lest people make fun of their orange art professor eyeglasses or their $600 designer work jeans. It’s home to movie stars, trust fund hippies, and a few authentic mountain eccentrics. And of course, part of its vibe is its “compassionate” liberal politics.

I ran my one errand in Ojai, but was so taken by the neighborhood I found myself in, I wandered around a bit. On a street that had an Enhanced Spa Experience, an AA clubhouse, a Center for Spiritual Healing, and a western-styled Jewish Community building, there was something called Greater Goods, which was a public space for different neighborhood events. I went inside. No effort had been spared, or detail overlooked, to make it utterly inviting and welcoming to a very distinct type of person: rich, liberal, folksy, and Californian. I checked the calendar of events going on that week. There was a private meditation session, a book club meeting, and then, the very next night, a screening of two films: The Vaccine War and Vaxxed, with a discussion to follow. I was curious as to what the audience for this would look like. (Very good-looking, most likely.) I also wondered what hardcore California liberals would make of the controversial vaccine issue. So I went back the next night to see the films and hear what the locals had to say.

I was disappointed that there were only about ten people present when The Vaccine War started. But it was a representative group nonetheless. There was a fidgety, fifty-year-old boss lady type who shared every thought that came into her head. There was a young, concerned mother-to-be. There was the handsome, 30-ish, Patagonia-clad guy running the place. There was a fifty-year-old male intellectual with perfectly quaffed white hair, sunglasses, and a silk scarf. There was also a homeless-appearing guy who wandered in off the street, as well as a strange, possible techie with long scraggly hair, who grunted a lot. A lovely woman with a baby was running the concession table, where there was herbal tea, some organic coffee, and of course, nothing resembling refined sugar, forcing this sugar-addicted reporter to struggle with a sticky jar of homegrown honey made by free-range bees.

Downtown Ojai, CA by day.

Greetings from Ojai, California

The Vaccine War (2010) was played first. It was originally aired as an episode of FRONTLINE, the PBS news documentary series that always feels objective because we’ve all been watching it since we were kids and it’s on PBS, which would never lie to us. The film was one hour long and started with some anti-vaccination moms who had negative experiences or read things on the internet which led them to question the wisdom of the untested, multi-component vaccines that are routinely foisted on the masses.

Then Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carey appeared. They are apparently the primary celebrity advocates for the anti-vaccine crowd. Jenny McCarthy was described as a “former Playboy playmate.” This was an obvious slur and the first indication of which side The Vaccine War was on. There were other indications that the documentary was pro-vaccine: The expert commentators were all distinguished, highly-credentialed medical professionals who found it preposterous that anyone would be against such a profound advancement in medicine. We heard a lot from these people.

One of their proofs for the necessity of vaccines was the possible resurgence of old diseases like whooping cough. The danger of this was illustrated by extended footage of a choking, suffocating infant child desperately gasping for breath. “Anti-vaxxers are torturing babies” was the unsubtle message. The one or two cases of autism that seemed possibly related to vaccinations were downplayed as statistical anomalies that might not have been caused by vaccines at all. One doctor who had helped invent a popular vaccine (and thereby made a fortune) defended himself by saying that “just because someone makes money off an advancement in medical science doesn’t make it bad,” which is a fair point. Still, it was clear which side The Vaccine War was on. They portrayed anti-vaxxers as misinformed at best, and conspiracy theorists at worse.

When The Vaccine War ended, we took a short break and refilled our herbal teacups. We chatted a bit. The other people had noticed the same things I had: That the “experts” seemed a little too sure of themselves, and that Jenny McCarthy had been called a “Playboy playmate” when she had actually sounded very reasonable. The fidgety boss lady in our group thought the scientists and vaccination advocates were arrogant and noted they were all white men.

Then we watched Vaxxed (2016). This is a feature film, independently produced and directed by a British researcher who was one of the principal players in the controversy the film addressed: Someone at the Centers for Disease Control knew that the CDC routinely cut corners and manipulated their data to make vaccines seem safe. This whistleblower began secretly feeding this info to a person outside the government sphere. This story was interesting, suspenseful and alarming.

Also revealed in Vaxxed was the existence of a special fund set up by the federal government that doles out billions of dollars of taxpayer money in compensation to people whose children had become autistic because of unsafe vaccines. Big pharma, of course, makes tens of billions of dollars on vaccines. They lobby the government, and the government protects them. (And pays off their victims.) It was the classic evil corporation/industry story. Nothing new. But upsetting nonetheless.

Vaxxed tells its stories in many ways. We hear phone recordings of the whistleblower at the CDC, who is still in hiding. We get the story of the British researcher (the director of the film) who had found similar dangers in the vaccines, and who had been fired and smeared. There’s graphic footage of severely autistic kids hitting themselves, throwing hysterical fits, or being utterly disconnected from the world around them. It is hard to watch, not unlike the choking baby in The Vaccine War.

Though they are both highly opinionated, watching The Vaccine War side-by-side with Vaxxed makes it pretty clear that vaccines are dangerous and Big Pharma is covering that up. Those defending the vaccines, the acclaimed and highly credentialed experts from America’s most esteemed schools and institutions, are, as usual, psychopaths on the subject.

So what did the liberal, affluent Californians think of all this? They were outraged! Which I wasn’t surprised by. It was hard not to see the many evils exposed by the vaccine situation. The group of us discussed it. The white-haired guy with the silk scarf had read thirty books on the subject. The young wife and future mother said that she and her husband had been researching the subject as they prepared to have their first child. The fidgety boss lady — who was a bit crazy, we were all realizing — remained convinced that the “experts” from the PBS Frontline documentary were condescending, while the rest of us felt comfortable enough to simply call them liars.

This was the key moment; the moment I had been waiting for. I said something like: “Why is PBS defending the pharmaceutical companies?” hoping to gently introduce the idea to the liberal Californians that PBS, which they all consider the most trustworthy media on earth, just lied to them for 59 minutes straight. But they weren’t bothered by this. They seemed to think I was missing the point. Their response remained: “It’s Big Pharma!” “It’s the evil corporations!” “It’s the evil lobbyists who buy off our politicians!” I tried to push my point: But PBS aired it. The same PBS that tells you Trump is a criminal and that white people are racist every day. Don’t you see that PBS is as guilty as Big Pharma? PBS is lying to you! All the media is lying to you!

Alas, I couldn’t get my point across. Mostly because it was so alien to them, so completely nonsensical, that they couldn’t hear it. One of the great deceptions that have befallen our liberal elites is that the two sides of this fight are the evil corporations and government (the capitalist Right) on one side, and the honest, sensitive, caring people (the socialist Left) on the other. The fact that PBS is helping Big Pharma just shows how powerful the Evil Right is. They can influence poor, defenseless PBS into doing their bidding.

I continued to try to drop small red pills into the conversation, but I didn’t want to get in an actual argument with my new California friends. There we sat, surrounded by luxury, artisanal woodcraft, and their acceptable notions of who was conspiring against whom. Of course they believed they were right; they had the guy who had read 30 books on their side!

So I let it go. I poured some more organic honey into my cup and had some more tea. And enjoyed the comfortable couch I was sitting in. And stared up at the hand-cut rafters above me.

 

47 Comments

  1. Tye the Guy
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    So do you advocate no vaccines, or some specific ones?

    • anon
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

      Get FULLY informed and make a decision for yourself.

  2. Stronza
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    There is a Vaxxed II now. However, showings are being shut down under pressure from various parties, as well as protests outside theaters, so if you buy a ticket (online) you have to wait till the day of the screening to find out where to go. That really ought to tell people something, but it doesn’t succeed.

    Yes, the Vaxxed films are slick. But no slicker than the neverending provaccine propaganda.

    People who don’t want to have their kids receive approx. 70 vaccines (from babyhood til they finish school) are presented incorrectly as dupes of Hollywood actors who have somehow hornswoggled stupid mothers and fathers into being vaccine skeptics – as if someone is going to take on 99% of the population (plus the entire medical intelligentsia) beause they heard that some celebrities (and precious few of them at that) favored that viewpoint. It is probably easier to walk down the street wearing a nazi armband than to tell someone you are opposed to mandatory vaccinations.

    Anyway, Stan, that was a most interesting article. It is painful to have the right opinion and be supported by those who are wrong about everything else.

    • Threestars
      Posted February 5, 2020 at 10:39 am | Permalink

      There was no “pro-vaccine propaganda” before some semi-criminal idiots started urging others to stop vaccinating their kids. Making use of the advancements of western medicine is not something normal people have to be indoctrinated into, like multiculturalism or racial equality. Making that analogy is as stupid as it is counter-productive to the movement!

      I remember researching something called New Germanic Medicine as part of my job a while back. This was a method of curing cancer using the power of one’s mind — quite literally thinking the cancer away without any treatment. It obviously had all the “medical establishment is lying to you” element that the left-hand side of the bell curve conservatives are so responsive to. (and some heavy whignat element, if the name didn’t give it away) Needless to say, a number of curable cases of cancer managed to end up fatal after some NGM followers decided to renounce “fake jewish treatments” like immunotherapy and chemo. This whole anti-vaxxer thing reeks of New Germanic Medicine lite.

      • Stronza
        Posted February 5, 2020 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

        Here are a couple of websites chock-full of info on vaccines. One of these sites even includes official, approved pro-vaccine information.

        nvic.org
        vaccinechoicecanada.com

        I am posting these here for the benefit of those whose minds are not as yet made up on this issue.

        Making use of the advancements of western medicine is not something normal people have to be indoctrinated into, like multiculturalism or racial equality.

        Since when is western medicine a direct line to Almighty God (or whatever entity you wish)? It was western medicine that also gave us lobotomies as a “cure” for mental illness. I could come up with 50 or more different examples of the depredations of western medicine (which were quietly dispensed with after much damage was done) but you can do your own homework in this matter.

        • Threestars
          Posted February 6, 2020 at 6:26 am | Permalink

          >Since when is western medicine a direct line to Almighty God

          No one claims current western medicine is infallible, but the scientific method it follows is the best way we found thus far for ascertaining objective truth.

          What you railed against wasn’t even an argument I was making.

          Sorry for offending your traditional beliefs in the Playboy bunny and the Jews taking over everything, btw

          • Stronza
            Posted February 6, 2020 at 10:13 am | Permalink

            Sorry for offending your traditional beliefs in the Playboy bunny and the Jews taking over everything, btw

            I can’t be offended by someone else’s blindness, so the apology is not necessary. As regards “Jews taking over everything”, I don’t recall mentioning them or blaming them for vaccines (I don’t.) Also, the stories of ordinary people are important. I never even knew about celebrities’ involvement in this issue until recently.

            The majority of the socalled “antivaxxers” are not opposed to vaccines as such, but they are opposed to them being mandatory. I don’t go in with that lot; vaccination of children (anyone under legal age) needs to be banned. Within one or two generations you would see much healthier children.

            No one claims current western medicine is infallible, but the scientific method it follows is the best way we found thus far for ascertaining objective truth.

            The “scientific method” has been tainted since Day One. It is and always has been a tool of those in power. Each new generation of scientists = new and different forms of myopia. Scientists shit and the claque slides. This trillion dollar industry – which knows only how to superficially patch people up while driving the disease deeper – couldn’t exist without you.

            Over to you. I don’t need the last word.

  3. threestars
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    >watching The Vaccine War side-by-side with Vaxxed makes it pretty clear that vaccines are dangerous and Big Pharma is covering that up.

    I wouldn’t think that people being certain of something after watching just two movies is such a great argument for their position. This sort of mass hysteria and conspiracy thinking is a well-documented aspect of America. There were the which cults in the 1690s, satanic pedophile cults in the 1990s, Bush being behind 9/11. Not to mention all the environmental crusades lawyers and “Central European leftist” NGOs are mounting against hallmarks of American industrial capitalism like DuPont and 3M (PFAS), and Monsanto (GMOs, Roundup) among many others.

    • Mike Ricci
      Posted February 4, 2020 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

      Good points. This anti-vax nonsense just makes the Right look like cranks, and we have more than enough of that baggage already.

      • anon
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

        There is no harm in occasionally discussing issues that affect our health.
        In fact it could actually provide an entry for other whites to find this great website.
        The majority of health conscious people I know are whites with average or above average intelligence.

    • anon
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

      Just to clarify, do you think GMOs and Round up are good things?

      • Threestars
        Posted February 7, 2020 at 8:37 am | Permalink

        If used properly, Roundup is the safest weed killer humanity ever invented. Problem is some operators didn’t take the appropriate safety precautions when using it and Monsanto is taking the flak for their stupidity on the count of billions of dollars. I never applied pesticide without a mask, overcoat, and goggles, and no one who half-knows what he’s doing ever did — well except the enners and boomers who want to get their paycheck and 40% Jewish lawyer’s fees from Monsanto. The company already sold itself to Bayer, so that’s another bit of American industry gone to dust.

        I suspect these effers won’t rest until every bit of American capital-making enterprise is all-well smothered in mud and dead. After all, you can’t have as many shiksas doing porn or in a worthless menial job if their fathers or husbands are well employed. These cancers upon humanity don’t control industrial capitalism in America, so they naturally want to destroy it.

        • anon
          Posted February 7, 2020 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

          Even if you protect the sprayer correctly by taking all appropriate safety precautions that poison is still destroying nature and negatively affecting food quality. This is well documented and I am surely not the only right wing environmentalist on here.

          You need to do more research on the other side of the argument. Research organic/biodynamic farming and permaculture. In the future, the bare minimum will be regenerative agriculture.

          When we eventually have our own countries, those sorts of toxins will not be allowed to be used.
          There are other ways to manage weeds.

          You seem oddly proud of Monsanto – but what has that company done for the health of this country?

          “These cancers upon humanity don’t control industrial capitalism in America, so they naturally want to destroy it” –
          I was under the impression that industrial capitalism in America is definitely influenced/controlled by jewish interests. Do you have any evidence to the contrary ?

          Are their racially conscious WASP patriots still high up in any of these mega corporations?

          • Threestars
            Posted February 9, 2020 at 8:29 am | Permalink

            >Even if you protect the sprayer correctly by taking all appropriate safety precautions that poison is still destroying nature and negatively affecting food quality. This is well documented and I am surely not the only right wing environmentalist on here.

            It’s not as much “well documented” as quite frankly not supported by anything of substance that crops sprayed with glyphosate (the active ingredient in Roundup) are not safe to eat. You could make an argument about farmers overusing and possibly reaching concentrations that would be dangerous to human health on certain crops but there isn’t to date any study suggesting that sprayed crops can be harmful. Even the environmentalists and litigation lawyers currently attacking Monsanto/Bayer don’t attempt to make that argument in court.

            Roundup is better than all other past alternatives. Nobody is under any delusion that DDT or dioxine are in anyway non-toxic to humans. The worst thing you could accuse Monsanto of is contributing to a false sense of security about Roundup due to “false advertisement”, which was engaged in precisely because glyphosate has been found to be again and again *relatively* safe.

            >I was under the impression that industrial capitalism in America is definitely influenced/controlled by jewish interests. Do you have any evidence to the contrary ?

            Besides that proving a negative thing (I believe it’s you who are required to make a case for substantial Jewish involvement in the US agrochem and chem industries); you could simply look at who actually controls those industries to see that Jews are in no way predominant.

  4. Bertram
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    When my son was born (2005), it was my duty to protect him from unscrupulous interests that did not correspond to our will.

    I gathered all available information I could get hold of to convince his mother to prevent the often mortal ending “six-fold vaccination” in the third month of life.

  5. Franz
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    But PBS aired it. The same PBS that tells you Trump is a criminal and that white people are racist every day. Don’t you see that PBS is as guilty as Big Pharma?

    Fine article and very great point: The “false binary” sucks in so many otherwise bright minds.

    Just because it’s a corporation, it’s evil. Or the government. Great method of getting two phony sides to talk past each other forever.

    When the Rockefeller funds set up the United Nations (AKA “united regimes”) it should have been plain to everyone that the same people on top of the one is running the other. Even Paul Craig Roberts, an old Reagan hand, has said the corporations can buy any party line they want.

    (Those of us who haven’t had a flu vaccine in over a decade can testify it makes no difference except without the vaccine for flu, you catch less colds. Makes no sense, but it was what the doctor who advised me back in 2007 told me would happen. Just FYI.)

    • nineofclubs
      Posted February 4, 2020 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

      Great points. The left side of this binary – since 1968 – has offered no effective resistance to the liberal, global-capitalist order.

      It seeks to enclose the iron fist of neo-classical economics in a rainbow coloured velvet glove, but nothing more.

      The charade of left v right politics played out on the nightly news is as fictional as your favourite soap opera, and just about as relevant to our national futures.

      .

    • Threestars
      Posted February 5, 2020 at 9:56 am | Permalink

      Oh… but that makes perfect sense if you know the first things about what vaccines are and what the common cold is. Vaccines are meant to beef up your immune system against a particular pathogen, but they can have the added benefit in teaching it to recognize other, similar pathogens as potential threats as well. In other words, vaccines can beef up your immune system overall.

      The common cold is not actually a disease but a reaction of your immune system to a potential pathogen. It’s only natural for a better, “smarter” immune system to do that more often.

      • Evan
        Posted February 14, 2020 at 11:59 am | Permalink

        Your argument makes no sense unless you are assuming that the unvaccinated people with less colds are infected with the cold virus but the immune system isn’t responding to it, which doesn’t seem very likely to me.

        The idea that colds follow from an adaptive response to infections the body has already dealt with doesn’t really make sense either. You have anti-bodies to efficiently handle infections so that ideally the body doesn’t have to go into a state of illness. Like, you don’t need to become ill to resolve an infection. The immune system can just go around killing the pathogens, or infected cells, without a fever being required.

        • threestars
          Posted February 15, 2020 at 7:54 am | Permalink

          I have to admit, those are some good points and I thought about them myself. To attempt to answer your questions: I reckon that since the viruses causing the common cold aren’t all that harmful to humans, these could simply do their nasty business to your tissue without much reaction from your body, until you come up with a bad case of pneumonia or something like that.

          Otherwise, yes, it makes sense that a strong immune system would destroy pathogens without the need to enter into “full combat mode”, as it were. But then again, the immune system overreacting is not a sign of it being weak either.

          The part about some vaccines working against multiple viruses I know to be true, but the rest of my post was informed by an article I read in a medicine journal a long time ago. Maybe I misremembered it or misinterpreted it. I should have used a less certain tone of voice.

  6. Orcish
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t listen to all that. Vaccines were considered a major public health breakthrough before “big pharma” existed. if the formulations in use were dangerous competitors would be all over it making safe ones.

    • anon
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

      lol

      When do you think big pharma started? When did evil people start trying to harm our health?

      “competitors would be all over it” – have you not considered the possibility that they are all in on this? And that keeping us sick is equally important if not more important to them than their profit?

      Be open minded.

      • alt
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

        Being open minded doesn’t mean supporting conspiracy theories with no supporting evidence. The dissident right looks dumb when the tinfoil hats start sperging.

        • anon
          Posted February 6, 2020 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

          “no supporting evidence” – that is blatantly incorrect. You need to do some research.

          No one has ever said that this issue needs to be front and center. But it does need to be discussed because we need healthy children.

      • Orcish
        Posted February 7, 2020 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

        I am. There have been cases when pharmaceutical companies took major losses withdrawing medications revealed to be subtly dangerous from the market, such as the cox2 inhibitors(blockbuster arthritis medication) by Merck and Pfizer. Do vaccines even make much money? They are a one time thing, mostly generic and past patent.

        Vaccines are one of European man’s great gifts to humanity. Do you know mumps cases are on the rise? There is a rare complication of mumps called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis which is an inexorable incurable dementia. cases declined with the use of the mumps vaccine.

        • anon
          Posted February 8, 2020 at 12:45 am | Permalink

          Vaccines do make a lot of money for those companies. But as i have mentioned in earlier comments, its also about making the population less healthy overall. Just like how the tap water is not properly filtered before it reaches most homes and that also makes the population less healthy.

          You need to do some research. I would suggest checking out the Weston A Price Foundation.

          Also, even if you insist that Vaccines are good, why can’t you let people choose for themselves? Why is there so much pressure to comply?

          • Stronza
            Posted February 8, 2020 at 8:25 am | Permalink

            Why is there so much pressure to comply, you ask. I know the answer already! It goes like this, and they came up with this tripe fairly recently:

            A tiny number of children can’t be vaccinated [these are the ones who’ve had transplants or some other situation makes them extremely weak] but mein Gott, they will die, – die, I say! – if they should come into contact with these evil germs. It’s called “herd immunity”. Therefore, to protect this handful who, it’s known in advance, cannot tolerate the vaccines, everyone else has to be “immunized”. Or newborns who are “too young to be vaccinated”. See the link below. So, if you don’t get yourself and your kiddies done, you are a criminal and that’s it.

            I’ve seen these sickly children trotted out on the television news to guilt us all into having our kids poked approx 70 times by the time they finish school. And ourselves as well, bien sur.

            And there you have it, compliments of the vaccine fetishists.

            https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/news/20181130/what-herd-immunity-and-how-does-it-protect-us

  7. Groyper
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Great article. Really glad to see this problem being featured on CC.
    Its so important to get the word out on this.
    If you are interested in learning more, a great resource on the VQ is the Weston A Price Foundation.

    • Ambrose Kane
      Posted February 5, 2020 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

      You’re right. The Weston Price Foundation is a good place to start for whites who wish to begin a healthy eating regimen and lifestyle. Sally Fallon who heads the organization has written some excellent books on the subject, and she demolishes the conventional nutritional opinion that saturated fat, red meat, pork and real butter are bad for you.

  8. HamburgerToday
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    A great ‘slice of life’ commentary. Stan meets with well-to-do West Coast liberals so you don’t have to!

  9. Turana
    Posted February 4, 2020 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    “The film was one hour long and started with some anti-vaccination moms who had negative experiences or read things on the internet which led them to question the wisdom of the untested, multi-component vaccines that are routinely foisted on the masses.”

    This is not true. Vaccines are required to be tested to get FDA approval just like any other medication.

    “Jenny McCarthy was described as a “former Playboy playmate.” This was an obvious slur and the first indication of which side The Vaccine War was on.”

    I say it’s fair as it gives an indication into the woman’s character and possible motivations. Ask yourself if you’d consider it wholly irrelevant if she were arguing in favor of a cause you oppose.

  10. Some racist mom
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Man… I vaccinated my first child. He’s autistic. I didn’t my second (after oodles of research) and he’s fine. I’m pregnant now and am making all the preparations to not vaccinate our third.

    Do go down the rabbit hole. Research the (((brilliant))) Jonas Salk and the rest of them.

    And make up your minds.

    They’re taking away a choice from you and making you inject yourself and your kids with God knows what. Western medicine is NOT brilliant. Doctors still can’t definitively tell you what you should eat. Medicine is NOT a science, it changes all the time.

    Research lobotomy, stomach ulcers to get just a glimpse of how wrong medicine can be.

    • Ambrose Kane
      Posted February 5, 2020 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

      Well said, and absolutely the truth. If people got a sense of just how many medical mistakes are made by physicians, medical researchers, and surgeons, they might not be so trusting when the federal government tells them to get vaccinated and to not worry because they can be ‘trusted.’

      When a mother brings in her child for a doctor’s appointment, the nurses and physicians are almost always pushing their vaccines. They’ll actually get annoyed and even angry if you refuse, or if you wish to stagger such shots over a longer period of time that they want. They talk as if they have the full and final word, as if they are the parent themselves!

      Much of this is due not to them being so ‘concerned’ for your child’s health, but because the hospital corporation receives a certain amount of federal money for each child who complete their immunizations. The same also happens in the realm of flu shots. This is why CVS Pharmacy, Rite-Aid, and all sorts of convenient pharmaceutical stores are always pushing everyone to get their flu shot. Why not? They get a kick back from the federal government!

      I have a close friend whose son was given a series of vaccine shots at a very early age, and within 24 hours serious complications set in. He was never the same, and now at age 30 must be cared for like a two-year-old. Story after story persists in conveying the harmful effects of these vaccines, particularly on our children. There are a host of causes that account for this, but I think in large part it’s due to the child’s immune system which may not yet be ready to handle the immense overload of all the vaccines, especially in such a short period of time. If one must do it, it’s probably better to stagger them which is what I have done with my grandchildren. So far, we’ve been successful, but the nurses and doctors still fight us on it.

      We have every right to NOT trust the federal government. They have repeatedly lied to us, and told us things that stand as a direct threat to our health and general welfare. They lie to us about immigration, about diversity, about the economy, about our endless wars, and the list goes on. The wise person is always wary and suspicious of them

      • Some racist mom
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 6:06 am | Permalink

        Cheers for that reply, kind stranger. Most of the people who are provax are either childless or have never come in contact with autism.

        Be distrustful of anything the authorities try to push on you. Especially free stuff (in my country contraception and vaccines are free).

      • Don
        Posted February 6, 2020 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

        I’m really not into the vaccine issue as much as others, but I was involved in asbestos litigation and it’s been known since the 1920’s that asbestos was poisoning people and yet only recently has that fact been acknowledged. Our power elite hasn’t told the truth about anything since the Civil War and I don’t trust them to be truthful about vaccines. They’re pushing too hard and frankly I don’t believe the powers that be give a S**t about the common good or common people. I’ve seen too much lying.

        • Some racist mom
          Posted February 7, 2020 at 2:15 am | Permalink

          Excellent point. Cheers

        • Threestars
          Posted February 7, 2020 at 8:45 am | Permalink

          It’s been known since the 1880’s that asbestos is poisoning people. What’s your point?

          • Don
            Posted February 7, 2020 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

            My point is that the powers that be have LIED about some pretty substantial things and asbestos poisoning was just one of them. If my point escaped you, maybe you’re at the wrong website.

          • Threestars
            Posted February 9, 2020 at 8:07 am | Permalink

            Don, I fully understood what you meant and I obviously agree. What I don’t understand is how does this work as a sufficient argument for your position. These ecological/health problems are supposed to be investigated on a case by case basis. Just because big Asbestos did some extremely shifty and murderous things decades ago (and it was pretty appalling if you look into it) doesn’t mean that Roundup today is actually as dangerous as it’s cranked up to be by interested parties.

    • anon
      Posted February 6, 2020 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

      Hi, I already understand that V’s are unhealthy. But I want to learn more.
      Just for my learning, is there a Jewish component to the Vaccine industry/agenda or is it more just corporate greed ?

  11. Ben G.
    Posted February 5, 2020 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    So you simply watched this discredited, borderline criminal huckster Andrew Wakefield’s documentary with a handful of hipsters, and that’s all it took to make you a true believer?

    Incredible.

    Honestly can’t believe I’m reading this on Counter-Currents.

    Unlike most conspiracy theories, which are relatively harmless, this is one that causes actual, tangible, real life harm. To children.

    Vaccines being linked to autism is as much a figment of Wakefield’s imagination as the Queen being a reptilian is to Icke’s.

    And it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. Just look the guy up.

    There is exactly zero credible evidence that supports it, and mountains that debunks it.

    • Richard
      Posted February 9, 2020 at 11:57 am | Permalink

      You must be with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services — or even worse, Big Pharma?

      “Unlike most conspiracy theories, which are relatively harmless, this is one that causes actual, tangible, real life harm. To children.”

      I couldn’t disagree more. Actual, tangible, real life harm would be caused by vaccinating your children. Please see my earlier comment that provides the premises of my reasoning to avoid most vaccines, especially the Flu Shot.

      In a perfect world, all vaccines should be avoided, but unfortunately refraining from obtaining certain vaccinations would exclude us from traveling to certain countries. By obtaining “mandated” vaccines, you’re indirectly supporting an evil industry known as Big Pharma. This is equivalent to buying food that’s not locally sourced as you’d be supporting Big Ag, using Alphabet’s services such as Google as you’d be supporting Big Tech, and/or advocating for U.S. interventionism abroad, investing in and/or working for companies who are recipients of government contracts — especially the DoD — or glorifying today’s military as “heroes” as you’d be supporting the Military Industrial Complex (MIC).

      Do you see my point?

      This woman is a hero as she not only stood by her convictions — but also refused to succumb her child to something that’s inherently harmful and a form of control.

      Michigan mother jailed for refusing to vaccinate her son

      “A mother in the US state of Michigan has been sentenced to seven days in jail after she refused a judge’s order to have her son vaccinated.”

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41504796

  12. anon
    Posted February 6, 2020 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Honestly can’t believe I’m reading such a close-minded comments on Counter-Currents.

    Imagine being open minded enough to questions many historical events/mainstream and establishment ideas
    But not being able to apply that same critical thinking to the VQ.

    Wow.

  13. Stronza
    Posted February 8, 2020 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Here is something kind of interesting at vdare:

    IMMIGRATION PATRIOTS AND VACCINE SKEPTICS – A NATURAL ALLIANCE?

    https://vdare.com/articles/immigration-patriots-and-vaccine-skeptics-a-natural-alliance

    I myself highly doubt that liberals are going to start aligning with anti-immigration white identitarians just because some of each group share an anti-vaccine, or vaccine-skeptical, outlook.

    Also, it’s quite incorrect to think that the antivaccine stance is concentrated in the liberal segment of the population.

  14. Richard
    Posted February 8, 2020 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Everyone within the Dissident Right should avoid vaccines at all costs as they’re unnatural, a cocktail of toxic chemicals, a form of control, and incompatible with Eastern Orthodox Christianity as many vaccines use recycled fetal tissue.

    The last time that I was sick was also the last time that I received the flu shot; that was 10 years ago.

  15. anon
    Posted February 9, 2020 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    The comments section on this post has been very revealing.
    There are people within the broader “grass roots Right wing” (I simply use that term instead of ‘movement’) who actually think that poisoning our children with toxic injections is good (!).
    They even think that poisoning the food (and soil) that our people eat with round up and GMOs (and more).
    Those of us that are pro health and pro environment need to make our presence felt.
    Not all environmentalism is leftwing lunacy. For example, man made climate change is fake. It is a natural cycle influenced by the sun and other factors.
    Whereas pollution is a very real human problem. Most pollution is caused by Asia and India. However that doesn’t mean whites shouldn’t look after the environment and do our best.

  16. Jacob
    Posted February 12, 2020 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    This is a refreshing article, covering a subject not often discussed in the far right. I’m not knowledgeable about vaccines, but I’ll check out the documentaries. It seems many people tend to strawman the claims of Vaccine skeptics, suggesting they are rabidly anti-vaccine when they often just want to use caution and the option to avoid the more optional vaccines.

    Where I live, there seems to be a sudden surge of advertising for “lifestyle” mail-order pharmaceuticals. I imagine the drug companies want to eventually sell their drugs as if they were soft drinks out of a vending machine. One popular company markets various drugs such as anti-depressants and propecia (finasteride), a hair loss medicine suspected for causing serious and permanent side effects in some users.

    Hopefully growing awareness will spread of the rabid corruption amongst the FDA and the pharmaceutical industry. I imagine the opioid epidemic and Vioxx scandal are certainly only the tip of the iceberg.

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