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What Will Liberals Do When Trump is Re-Elected?

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If you enjoyed the salty taste of liberal tears as much as I did in 2016, get ready for 2020. All signs point to a Trump win. (Don’t take my word for it. See here, here, here, here, and here.) But it is what happens next that really interests me.

Liberals have gotten their hopes up for 2020. And they have learned nothing at all, it seems, from 2016. We can count on them to stay within their bubbles, looking at the polls that reassure them Trump is going to lose. Yes, we can count on the fact that the same misleading polls with their skewed methodologies will be trotted out once more as proof that Trump has finally had it. Americans have very short memories, and those that craft their news hold them in contempt. Thus, the same playbook will be in use, as if 2016 had never happened.

We don’t need Freud to explain the psychology of liberals in the wake of Hillary’s historic defeat. Denial is not a river in Egypt. Unable to cope with the fact that they lost, liberals have denied the loss ever really happened, and that maybe none of what’s happened since then is even real — or that somehow, maybe, it could all be undone. The Dems are counting on 2020 to “put everything right.” Somehow (don’t ask me how) 2020 will be the great undoing of 2016. Thus, when Trump wins yet again, you can count on the fact that it will be even more painful for them than it was the first time.

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The result, I predict, is that the spirits of many libs will be crushed. Foolishly, I thought this would be the result in 2016. It’s because of the contempt I feel for them. What a sorry lot of losers they all are. “Surely a Trump victory will frighten them,” I thought. Surely they will scurry off and bare their fangs at us from the safety of their dark little ratholes. Obviously, I underestimated my opponents. It wasn’t that I didn’t give them enough credit for courage or guts; it’s that I underestimated their sheer looniness. I certainly didn’t expect that the result of Trump’s victory would be a situation in which his supporters (around 60 million people) were the ones who felt like they needed to hide, for fear of setting off deranged libs.

But I predict that 2020 will, in fact, deliver what I mistakenly thought 2016 would bring. When Trump is re-elected, the Democrats’ usual strategies of evasion are not going to work as well as they did before. Imagine trying to argue that Russia stole the election . . . again. Yes indeed, friends, we really will hear that argument from a few libs. But can you imagine how sad it’s going to sound the second time around, and how loudly sensible normies are going to laugh at it? No, there will be no way this time to try and write off a second Trump victory as some kind of fluke. To all but the most deluded, it will be an unmistakable repudiation of the Left. As unmistakable as Labour’s unprecedented loss in the recent UK general election — something US libs are determined not to discuss and not to learn from.

We are already seeing signs that the wind has been taken out of the Left’s sails. Democratic voter turnout was meager in the Iowa caucus, though it was much better in the New Hampshire primary. It remains to be seen how enthusiastic Dems will be to turn out in the other primaries. But the really remarkable thing so far is that record numbers of voters have turned out to vote for Trump in the barely-discussed Republican primaries — despite the fact that Trump faces only token opposition and is guaranteed to be the party’s nominee. In short, the Republican base is energized, and the Democrat base is not. Sure, one might respond, but wait till the Dems settle on a candidate they can all get behind. The trouble, however, is that there is no such person.

The depth to which Dem spirits are crushed in November will have something to do with which of the current contenders gets the nomination and loses to Trump. If Bernie finally makes it, a loss to Trump will clearly signal the country’s repudiation of socialism. We can expect that a fair number of the craft beer-drinking hipsters eager to tell us that the USSR “wasn’t real communism” will lose their mojo, especially since 79-year-old Bernie has no obvious successor. If, on the other hand, Sanders is again cheated out of the nomination, we can expect some spirit-crushing well prior to November. And we can expect the Bernie Bros (who are a sizeable contingent) to stay home. This is especially true given who the alternative might be.

Bloomberg? I predict that a large percentage of the Democrat base will stay home and, effectively, quit the party in disgust if the miniature mayor gets the nomination. As to the other mayor, Mayor Pete, he represents the moderate alternative to Bernie and, unlike Bloomberg, actually is a Democrat. But as a candidate, he is faker and more manufactured than Obama, and he comes along at a time when voters of both parties are sick of the platitudes that he trades in. Besides, according to a recent poll, Trump could double his 2016 share of the black vote if Buttigieg is the nominee (presumably because blacks don’t want a gay president). No one is really enthusiastic about this guy, except maybe gay male Democrats. If either Buttigieg or Biden wins the nomination, probably by means of a brokered convention, a loss to Trump would signal the end of the line for the hopey-changey, mush-mouthed, moderate liberal establishment candidates in the mold of Bill Clinton or Barack Obama. If Warren gets the nomination, which seems highly unlikely at this point, her loss to Trump would be a blow to identity politics and the far-left of the party.

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Any way you slice it, the Democrats’ loss to Trump in November is going to be catastrophic for the party, and will deeply disillusion its base. Such a loss ought to cause the Democrats to engage, finally, in some serious discussions about which policy positions win votes, and which do not. As I have said, a second Trump victory cannot be written off as a fluke. But I may be, yet again, underestimating the craziness — as well as the cynicism — of my enemies. After all, Labour’s historic defeat does not seem to have caused it to engage in a whole lot of soul-searching. Instead, the party’s leaders have recently doubled down on “transgender rights.” The Economist has covered the story in an article aptly titled “When Social Justice Activism Becomes an Act of Self-Destruction.” Jeremy Corbyn’s likely successor, Keir Starmer, has issued “ten pledges” to voters replete with vote-losing Leftist babble about “economic justice,” “social justice,” “climate justice,” as well as the ominous call to “defend migrants’ rights.”

Starmer is obviously trying to hang on to the Party’s base. But there’s an obvious problem with that. In a recent poll, thousands of Britons were asked to name who they thought was the best Labour leader of the last 50 years. The majority chose Tony Blair. When Labour voters were asked the same question, the majority named Jeremy Corbyn — and this poll took place after Corbyn’s loss in the general election. Furthermore, a whopping 53% of voters who defected from Labour to vote Tory said they did so because they wanted to stop Corbyn from becoming PM. In short, Labour voters are catastrophically out of touch. No real surprise there.

I predict that while a loss in 2020 ought to make the Dems rethink their strategies and policies, for the most part, it will not do so. I don’t think I’m going out on any limbs here. Disillusioned Dems will hunker down and consider themselves virtuous for continuing to believe in the nonsense that ensures they lose votes. And, yes, there will be some increased craziness and violence by Leftists in the wake of Trump’s victory. This will only serve, needless to say, to push more level-headed, non-ideological people away from the Left.

A further possibility remains: The Democratic Party may splinter. If Bernie is cheated out of the nomination, I can see this happening — possibly even prior to November. Indeed, if I were Bernie, and got cheated yet again, I would run as an independent (which is, in fact, what Bernie is). I can easily imagine the younger, socialist, woke wing of the Party striking off on their own (in Children’s Crusade fashion) if the Dems lose yet again to Trump, declaring that they are through with the stodgy old Party machine. A divided Left is very good for us, of course.

In widely-circulated comments earlier this month, longtime Democratic strategist James Carville asked: “Do we want to be an ideological cult or do we want to have a majoritarian instinct to be a majority party?” But the party could literally divide into just these two things: an ideological cult of wokeness, and a new, improved Democratic Party that would once more champion the interests of working Americans. If Democrats were smart, they would jettison the far Left and retool themselves thusly. The trouble is that the Republicans have now become the party of working Americans, and there’s almost no one left in the Democratic Party except the woke — and un-woke non-whites who’re in it for a free lunch. In short, there doesn’t seem to be anybody left who could help the party change course.

The fate of the liberals in this country and abroad may indeed be to take on the status of what amounts to a religious cult. Since the French Revolution, we have had more than two centuries of disasters unleashed by Leftist dreams. And every day, science strikes a blow against the proudly “pro-science” libs. We are rapidly reaching a point where believing in the equality of man, the blank slate, the planned economy, and the social construction of race and gender will seem as fantastic as believing in the virgin birth and creationism. Leftist ideas will be consigned by educated people to the category of what Hume called “superstition and enthusiasm,” and only people who are thick or “special” will profess them. In short, Leftism will become like Fundamentalism, with one crucial difference: Leftists don’t reproduce.

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The evidence indicates that the number of self-identified liberals is already shrinking. Gallup recently released polling data showing that the number of Republicans is increasing, while the number of Democrats is declining. Meanwhile, Trump recently garnered his highest approval rating ever among independent voters. Unmistakably, a shift to the Right is taking place. The only thing that can save the Dems, as all my readers know, is if they can manage to import a new people who can be relied upon to vote them back into power and if non-white birth rates continue as projected.

Ideologically, the Left is as dead as a doornail. Their ideas have been completely discredited, and voters are rejecting them again and again. But we are facing a situation where the malevolent lunatics who still believe this ideology could be empowered in perpetuity. This is why immigration and demographics are now really the only issues that matter. We have won the war of ideas, but we may still lose the demographic war. We can be sure that however wounded and disillusioned the liberals are by their loss in November, they will still fight for open borders and amnesty with everything they’ve got left. They know it’s their only chance. If we defeat them on this front, they will go the way of the dodo.

 

45 Comments

  1. Achilles Wannabe
    Posted February 27, 2020 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    “if Bernie finally makes it, a loss to Trump will clearly signal the country’s repudiation of socialism’

    The above possibility seems to make this author happy. I am pretty new to WN so I am curious. Does it make WN’s particularly happy to see socialism repudiated? Personally I would be quite happy to see socialism embraced provided it is combined with nationalism – National Socialism. {Without all the 30’s Germanic larping} But do WN’s want to go back to nationalism without socialism?

  2. Bob
    Posted February 27, 2020 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Trump has sold out his base. The latest Kushner created immigration plan does end the diversity lottery and reduce chain migration, but it also transfers the visas not issued by those programs to programs that bring in more cheap labor like H-1b workers. There is no net reduction of immigration, and Trump may yet get his wish of “more immigration than ever”. More and more Trump just represents the very Jeb Bush Republicanism that voters thought they had rejected.

    On foreign policy Trump has basically done a 180 on everything he promised. We’re still in every war we were in when Trump was elected, and he may yet get us into a war with Iran.

    I see every Democrat running as being even worse than Trump but that does not mean I am left with any enthusiasm for Trump. He is the emperor god that failed. If Trump is reelected the left will be dismayed, but the only victor will be Conservatism Inc.

  3. WWWM
    Posted February 26, 2020 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    We have lost the demographic war, and that is the only one that matters. This article surprised me a little bit for Counter-Currents. I am used to a little more black pill. You might want to look up Thomas Chittum’s “Civil War II.” He says a revolution will likely start on about May 5, 2020. I think violence and revolutionary activities, coming from Antifa, will start way before the election. This time around, Trump’s election will be different, even if the votes turn out about the same.

    • karsten
      Posted February 26, 2020 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

      He says a revolution will likely start on about May 5, 2020.

      This reminds me of the religious fanatics who keep predicting the end of the world, right down to precise dates… which they keep revising, once their prognostications fail (as, of course, they always do).

      • WWWM
        Posted February 27, 2020 at 2:44 am | Permalink

        In the book, he is very careful today his date is best guess – to be fair to Chittum. Yes, if you wait long enough anything will happen. Chittum is saying when demographic changes happens to a certain percentage revolution becomes inevitable, based on historical review. May 5th could be inaccurate but I would bet it will not be long after Trump’s re-election.

        • Somebody or other
          Posted February 27, 2020 at 4:23 am | Permalink

          Thomas Chittum (a pseudonym) produced his ‘Civil War Two’ as a prediction of the coming breakup of America, some 25 years ago. May 5 is Mexican Independence day.

  4. Achilles Wannabe
    Posted February 25, 2020 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

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    ‘[Trump’s reelection] To all but the most deluded, it will be an unmistakable repudiation of the Left”

    Does that mean that the Right will be going strong under Trump? I am new to all this but is this author representative of WN? If he is, it looks like WN intellectuals are just Left haters satisfied with beating Democrats. Surely we should all be able to see that Trump is just a trad Republican with a heavy twitter finger = a neo cuck. Is that what this movement is about? Just white gentile guys supporting the GOP -the same GOP that has been selling us out for at least 40 years.

  5. John
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    W/no help from POTUS, we’ve lost the demographic war, thus, Trump is the last GOP POTUS. What’s our Plan B?

    • EF
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 10:51 am | Permalink

      I could not have said it better myself.

      Trump has darkened the country. Allowed the Tech Giants to deplatform white websites and thoughts also.

      Trump is truly a “Zionist” miracle worker.
      There is no future, politically, for the white race.
      Iran should worry because the brave boys of the USA will be bombing it after the election.

      And white “liberals” do they have Bloomberg or Zuckerberg or that of Nick Hanauer, a Seattle Jew who funds anti-gun laws?

      I doubt those upper middle class whites who love DIEVERSITY will be able to survive.
      I would say John that fellows like you and the other readers will survive.

      Let us enjoy reading what Greg provides for us in these latter days.
      He shows what it once was like…

  6. Fonzie
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Good article. We know what side our bread is buttered on.

    This alt right unironic support of Bernie-Communism is from the same crowd who brought us such previous crowd-pleasers as: “Yang Gang” and “White Sharia Now – Islam is the final redpill”.

    I hate to sound conspiratorial, but these previous 2 campaigns have only served to help our opponents and to hinder us. This third, current “lol cabbitalizm is bad, amirite?” campaign seems to only be hindering us so far.

    To quote Goldfinger:

    “Mr Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, the third time it’s enemy action.”

    • karsten
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 5:40 am | Permalink

      Strongly agree. It’s been one insane and counter-productive angle after another from certain dissident “thought leaders.” It’s almost as if, after they bungled Cville (where they really should have expected police/city betrayal and prepared for it; that, or not attempted the event at all), they threw their hands up and said, “Well, we tried; now we’re giving up, and we’re going to just troll the people on our own side.”

      At least the dissident Right, small as it ever was, used to be more or less united. There were small disagreements (mostly on religion), but everyone pretty much felt a common sense of what was right.

      • Fonzie
        Posted February 25, 2020 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

        Imagine actually taking the time out of your day to vote for a literal Jewish Communist.

        • Sage
          Posted February 27, 2020 at 10:47 am | Permalink

          Yeah the zionist puppet is waaay better.

  7. Alexandra O
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Don’t count out Buttigieg. His father, Joseph Buttigieg, who was a professor at several colleges (see Wikipedia) whose specialty was World History, and his passion was translating and editing the works of Antonio Gramsci. Prof. Buttigieg spent 10 years at this monumental task, gathering, sorting, translating and editing into readable English “The Prison Notebooks” of this Italian Marxist. I’d never heard of Gramsci except in passing, probably in some post here at the philosophical core of world historical politics, but I gathered he was right up there with Father Marx, Son Lenin, and Holy Spirit Trotsky. So, our little sweet-faced, immaculately turned-out and extremely well-spoken Mayor Pete, was brought up in a household from the age of ten around the early 1990’s until around 2007 when the finished product was sent off to the publisher for a three-volume set. No one can convince me that Mayor Pete is not far more versed in the Marxist lexicon and world message than even the ranting Mr. Sanders. Stay tuned.

  8. Digital Samizdat
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    No offense, Jeff, but I actually find myself agreeing more with most of the commenters here than with the article itself. I just don’t see any reason to celebrate a Trump re-election victory–assuming it happens. Trump has sold us all downriver to save his own skin.

    • karsten
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 5:35 am | Permalink

      That’s not “most of the commenters'” position here at all. That’s just yours. You are creating a false narrative.

      Most of the commenters recognize that Trump has been a disappointment but that a Democrat would be disastrously worse. You don’t realize how horrifying an explicit (rather than merely implicit) anti-white administration would be like.

      I really think that the dissident Right has been spoiled, by the Trump victory, into thinking that mainstream politics should be going its way. We never would have believed something so absurd before Trump. But because Trump has given us at least a little — in terms of decreasing refugee numbers and the other recent immigration victory that SCOTUS handed him — instead of dissidents recognizing “Well, that’s INFINITELY more than we would have gotten with anyone else,” we’re thinking, “Why isn’t Trump doing EVERYTHING he promised?”

      That is unimaginable naivete on our part — naivete and political inexperience.

      And that same inexperience will evidently lead some dissidents to vote for a woke-totalitarian party that explicitly advocates racial reparations (money directly from whites to POCs) and promises a “war on white nationalism.” Dissidents simply aren’t being rational in failing to realize just how much more hostile to us things could be.

      In being disappointed with Trump, they’re going to vote to turn us into South Africa. It’s insane.

      That, or some alt-right “leaders” are actually secretly in the pay of the Sanders campaign. I am starting to almost believe this. There is no other reason why they would be pushing such a suicidal agenda.

      • DelAware
        Posted February 25, 2020 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

        > That, or some alt-right “leaders” are actually secretly in the pay
        > of the Sanders campaign. I am starting to almost believe this.
        > There is no other reason why they would be pushing such a
        > suicidal agenda.

        Suicidal for whom?

        Consider this one teeny tiny example and its deep-sea tentacles:

        Here is Bernie2020’s legal counsel, Brad Deutsch. He was also the attorney for Bernie2016.

        https://www.foster.com/people-brad-deutsch

        He also serves with Jane O’Meara Sanders on the board of Our Revolution—a “non profit” for which he serves as legal counsel. It is being investigated for soft money noncompliance as a result of a Common Cause complaint.

        http://archive.is/Ei0zj

        The powerhouse law firm in which Bernie’s campaign’s attorney Deutsch is a partner, FosterGarvey, claims a specialty in election and political law, public policy, and lobbying:

        https://www.foster.com/services-practices-election-political-law-public-policy-lobbying

        And comms, telcoms, and media:

        https://www.foster.com/services-practices-communications-telecom-media

        FosterGarvey’s second half (the Garvey) refers to a recently merged firm formerly called GSB (Garvey Schubert Barer) Law and is the name of one of its founders, who has passed along to his three daughters his ownership of various Puget Sound and international maritime powerhouses.

        Since the 1970s GSB Law specialized in everything globalist. Here’s their 50th anniversary graphic:

        http://archive.is/K303d

        China? Industrial pot? Beer/wine/booze? Telcoms/FCC? International taxation? “Hospitality”? Entertainment/sports/bread and circuses? Maritime shipping? Energy? Open borders/immigration to fuel the cheap labor for all that?

        GSB Law and its circles had it all. Still do, but under new brands. Like Bernie himself, the campaign’s law firm is as GloboStablishment as they come.

        The B in GSB stood for founding partner Stan Barer, very close friend of and fundraiser for the Clintons and now a mega-funder of Big Pharma stuff at UW Medicine. Like Mike Bloomberg, hooked tightly up with 800-lb gorilla Kaiser Permanente and anti-gun politics. Known locally for things like $25K payola to Patty Murray in return for sneaking millions for his pet Seattle waterfront museum project into a transportation bill in the late ‘90s. Which ofc she claims didn’t happen.

        https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20020216&slug=maritime16m0

        In the above GSB Law graphic, note the 1982 milestone referring to TOTE Maritime and Saltchuk Resources. TOTE/Saltchuk is the company that sent /El Faro/–a retasked 1975-build RoRo with known freeboard effect issues her entire service life and maintenance issues later–into a hurricane and thus to the bottom of the Atlantic with all hands in 2015. Don’t worry, the company’s CxOs and their relations are fine; all investigations converged on blaming the captain.

        Then there’s the fact that TOTE/Saltchuk/GSB Law’s founders and families who run it appear to be turning The Evergreen State College into a coffin ship, though the cargo profit isn’t yet clear.

        $350,000-a-year-plus-housing-and-other-bennies TESC President George Bridges raised $165 million at Whitman College in the five years prior to coming to TESC but seems to have lost his Rolodex in the move. (Can’t even scrape together 2 or 3 million now.)

        His feminist professor wife, the former Kari Tupper, got her start in academia by ending the career of Senator Brock Adams on #MeToo type charges in the late 1980s. Adams resigned under pressure to be succeeded as US Secretary of Transportation by the execrable Neil Goldschmidt…and in his Senate seat by Patty Murray.

        The Evergreen State College’s former board chair is Fred Goldberg, one of GSB Law’s and TOTE’s founders. He sits on the board of Saltchuk Resources, the powerhouse transportation company that has diversified into other things in recent decades and of which Stan Barer was chairman for many years.

        Also serving on its board is Fred Goldberg’s son Paul, who chaired TESC’s foundation, ostensibly responsible for fund-raising (and doing a damn poor job…by design one concludes, since many Saltchukians and even the former provost of TESC—name of Tabbutt—are Whitman alumni and should have at least a few deep pockets they could hit up, if they were inclined to shore up this public institution):

        http://blogs.evergreen.edu/evergreenmind/2016/03/

        Fred Goldberg’s son/Paul’s brother Blake Goldberg is a commercial real estate maven in Tacoma and previously Toronto (Collier’s).

        http://www.neilwalter.com/?staff=blake-goldberg

        The Goldbergs sent their sons to the Charles Wright Academy, an Episcopalian academy in Tacoma. It was that school from which TESC got its infamous “diversity canoe” metaphor at the heart of George’s 2017 “conform or get fired/expelled” “diversity” struggle session.

        http://archive.li/mt2Kg

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfVRaExw1lI
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTVl5OwnvU4

        Of this crew, the Goldbergs, Tabbutts, Garveys, and their inmarried family members (Engles and Seavers among others) are behind a thousand different things in Pugetopolis. When out in the public eye at all–generally via their own bought-and-paid-for PR–they pose as diversicrat Dems or support these causes, AND are knee deep in politics via bought-and-paid-for Dems like Patty Murray and Denny Heck.

        (Denny founded TVW, a local public affairs cable TV station designed to let lobbyists watch Olympia’s sausage getting made at the Capitol. Till 2017, Paul Goldberg served on its board while donating to Heck’s campaigns. Today individuals named Gannett and Sinclair serve as board chair and legal counsel.)

        So, karsten, this is a team that would appear to have the means, motive, and opportunity to conduct a sophisticated shilling campaign, subverting even former dissident outlets like 4chan/pol/.

        This is just one of many nexuses of this sort of hidden, private sector power that reaches into public institutions, opinion/media, and lawmaking. They represent no one but themselves. Their specialty is sowing confusion, demoralization, and shock…so they can clean up trillions in the fog and aftermath of fourth generation warfare.

        Some of you likely remember Evergreen State College’s “troubles” in ’17—when social media gave a glimpse into the Bridges/Goldberg/Tabbutt asylum that this formerly innovative little college, founded by white Republican men, into which Washington taxpayers have poured billions of dollars, had been made into under the globalist melaninocracy.

        Not one single “conservative” or “Republican” news or analysis site at that time dug into the very basic, relevant, easy to find facts above. Not. One. They were all chasing the laser pointer of the poor brave intrepid “science” professor who experienced dastardly !ANTI SEMITISM!

        • DelAware
          Posted March 2, 2020 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

          Update:
          The Evergreen State College just announced President George Bridges is “returning to teaching” and that the Board of Trustees is kicking off a president search that is expected to last a good long time.

          The BoT has been reconfigured massively. The only people remaining on it from the previous board are a 75-year-old who was a former State Senator (WA) for the capitol district and, oh yeah baby, FRED GOLDBERG.

          Oh, also the black state trooper lady who succeeded GOLDBERG as board chair a few years ago.

          Board looks pretty small at the moment.

  9. Benjamin
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Trump is to America as Czar Nicholas II was to Russia.

  10. Vauquelin
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    No matter what happens, a breakup of the Left is in order, mostly between the Globalist Uniparty liberals and the rising tide of Red coming from a reinvigorated material Marxism. Which half will eventually accumulate the most non-white support is uncertain to me at this time.
    Regardless, White Nationalism or Fascism – or whatever forms we next take – have a better chance fighting a hard but brittle Marxian dictatorship than the infuriatingly soft and spongy dictatorship of the green-gay-antiwhite liberal elite. At present, whatever is bad for liberals is good for whites. Their suddenly apparent distaste for real Marxism shows that the liberals are in no way inherently pro-Commie, and that this camp can be split right down the middle when the moment comes.

    • Patrick Mahomes
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

      Where did you get the ideal milquetoast liberals won’t vote Bernie this Nov? Of COURSE they will.

      • Vauquelin
        Posted February 25, 2020 at 2:55 am | Permalink

        “Where did you get the ideal milquetoast liberals won’t vote Bernie this Nov? Of COURSE they will.”

        The younger ones, probably. The older ones? The wealthy ones? The Silicon Valley liberal elite who would quite like to keep their capital, who love redistribution of wealth as long as it’s redistributed upwards through environmentalist policies? They might think twice.

    • R.E.
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 1:59 am | Permalink

      “No matter what happens, a breakup of the Left is in order, mostly between the Globalist Uniparty liberals and the rising tide of Red coming from a reinvigorated material Marxism.”

      You can see that in Britain where the division in the British Labour party between the (((Globalist))) Uniparty liberals and Jeremy Corbyn and the rising Red tide of Class-War warriors and POC is tearing the Left apart.

    • karsten
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 5:47 am | Permalink

      “Regardless, White Nationalism or Fascism – or whatever forms we next take – have a better chance fighting a hard but brittle Marxian dictatorship”

      That’s insane. Marxist dictatorships lasted for most of a century in eastern Europe. Any uprisings were quashed easily, effectively, and brutally.

      A Marxist dictatorship will only suppress and oppress us even more. What “fighting” will be able to be done when ALL web site and blogs and Twitter accounts and any other method of communication or message spreading are shut down?

      Because that’s just the first thing that will happen. The next will be — every dissident in jail. Literal jail. Because that too is what was the case under Marxist dictatorships. Then everyone not imprisoned will go into hiding. There will BE no “dissident Right” at all then.

      There were no Orbans under Marxism. They were all imprisoned or they dared not emerge.

      A Leftist victory will empower them to crush us completey. They have the will to do it and a track record of accomplishing exactly that.

      • Vauquelin
        Posted February 25, 2020 at 8:40 am | Permalink

        My reasoning is more based on the idea that we will only fight as hard as we are forced to. One can still live quite comfortably in the modern age as White Nationalists while keeping our beliefs, despite our inability to make political progress due to anti-white policies created by the establishment. The official narrative right now is that whites are not persecuted, and are not marginalized, despite the evidence to the contrary.

        Open persecution of whites and white advocates, and real martyrs, will lift the veil, will leave no doubt that whites are persecuted and marginalized, and will give WNs the idea that they will have no option but to fight, even if that fight is more physically dangerous than the current fight is. Whichever regime will inflame and outrage the hearts and minds of whites in America the most, the better. When it comes to resistance, we all know that Marxian regimes are based on terror precisely because they are weak, because they can offer no true welfare to the people and can only herd them into a materialistic anti-faith dictatorship with no concept of the natural order of things. Let’s not forget that all of the uprisings that occurred in Communist countries, whether or not they were aided by American intelligence, were victorious in the end, and its participants are today considered heroes in much of Eastern Europe.

        • karsten
          Posted February 25, 2020 at 11:37 am | Permalink

          Open persecution of whites and white advocates, and real martyrs, will lift the veil, will leave no doubt that whites are persecuted and marginalized, and will give WNs the idea that they will have no option but to fight, even if that fight is more physically dangerous than the current fight is.

          This is a fantasy. Things like this are the WN equivalent of the “Rapture” expectations of evangelicals. More likely, the case will simply be South Africa — perpetual diminishment, steady demoralization and surrender. Everyone already knows that whites are persecuted and marginalized.

          Whichever regime will inflame and outrage the hearts and minds of whites in America the most, the better.

          All the outrage in the world is useless in prison.

          When it comes to resistance, we all know that Marxian regimes are based on terror precisely because they are weak…Let’s not forget that all of the uprisings that occurred in Communist countries, whether or not they were aided by American intelligence, were victorious in the end, and its participants are today considered heroes in much of Eastern Europe.

          Weak ideologically, but any regime with state power is strong — strong in the way that mattrs. All the East European uprisings were in fact crushed. The final ones could have been crushed as well, if the Soviets willed it. Any Jobbik founders would still be just dissidents or in jail or nobodies, if the arms race with the West hadn’t hollowed out the Eastern Bloc.

          Look at all the uprisings in France right now. All those people on the streets… and Macron is still there.

          Voting in the Democrats is simply guaranteed that things get worse for whites but with nothing but fantasies that this will somehow lead to things getting better. And better when? In a decade? A generation? A century? Ever? These are just daydreams. LARPing. Like when NRx used to LARP about their plans.

          Weren’t some WNs prognosticating a crackup of the U.S. a long time ago? Didn’t happen.

      • Vauquelin
        Posted February 25, 2020 at 8:50 am | Permalink

        As for your statement that Hungary had no Orbans under Marxism, this is true. What they did have, were his predecessors, people like Imre Nagy and Gergely Pongratz, who later went on to found Jobbik.

  11. Bernie
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    I dont care much about politics anymore. I will vote for Trump but live in now deep blue Virginia so it doesnt matter.

    That being said, all the polls currently indicate a Trump loss to Bernie. This includes states like Texas, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.

    Of course, this can change but I wouldn’t count this as in the bag for Trump just yet.

    • Richard
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

      I can see my home state of PA going for Sanders simply because of Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and to a lesser extent, the more prominent college towns. Trump took the state and he was the first Republican to do so since George Bush in 1988. While much of the state is dark red, it’s the major cities that keep the state leaning blue. Trump did very well in Western PA, but lost Allegheny County, which is home to Pittsburgh. I’ve spent significant time throughout most of PA, including in extreme opposites ranging from inner-city Pittsburgh to the remote areas of the Northern Tier (which I adore). My concern regarding this election is that the large population of college students in both major cities will overwhelmingly vote for Sanders. This scenario will most likely play out throughout all of the state’s college towns, which there’s an abundance of, and many of them are in sparsely populated red counties. I see many of moderate college students and those of the under-30 crowd gravitating towards Sanders because of his campaign promises to forgive student loans. This is especially dangerous as many of those within the aforementioned group are voting based on their own self-serving interests rather than what’s best for the nation from a logical and moral perspective.

      It Wasn’t Rural ‘Hicks’ Who Elected Trump: The Suburbs Were — And Will Remain — The Real Battleground

      “He [Trump] lost Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) but won all the surrounding suburban countries by piling up 54 percent to 74 percent of the votes; he lost the state capital of Harrisburg but made that up by crushing her [Clinton] in the suburban counties.”

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelkotkin/2016/11/22/donald-trump-clinton-rural-suburbs/#564428d038b5

      I don’t see Texas going for Sanders in this election and hopefully the state splits by 2024.

    • R.ang
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 2:25 am | Permalink

      Wow, aparently people who believe in polls still exist…

  12. Posted February 24, 2020 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    I’ve been thinking a lot about this too. If Trump wins in Nov, there *ought* to robust internal debates in the Dem Party about why this happened and what change in course they should make. Unfortunately, the only lib voice who will argue for a retreat from PC and esp Identity Politics will be wypipo like Carville. So, that recommended position will be dead on arrival. Again, a minority of shrill voices will still cudgel the Dem Party to put Wokeness on the hood of the car.

    There’s also the flip side of this coin: What will happen to the GOP once Trump leaves office? As disappointing as Trump has been on crucial issues, once he leaves office we can fully expect GOPE to snap-back to conventional NR neoliberalism, with neoconservatism and ‘Hispanics are natural conservatives’ rhetoric coming back into fashion. With respect to the Trump phenom, GOPE has learned absolutely nothing: they still think he is a flash in the pan, an anomaly, not anything representing a structural fault line.

    In the end, demographics is destiny. In time, the recent radical changes we’ve witnessed in VA politics (and state-level Dem legislation) is a harbinger for the remaining red states. When, for example, FL finally turns decisively blue, it’s hard to see how, electorally, a Republican President can ever be elected again… that is, unless he contorts his positions even further, abandoning previous principles, further ignoring the race realism of mass 3W immigration, further willing to shout down ‘white supremacists’, etc.

  13. Anon
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    As mentioned above, a lot of the nationalist right is black pilled on Trump, and for good reason. But almost none of them have an alternate plan besides complaining and being negative.

    We should be politically organizing. All sorts of interest groups do that, including very effective ones like the NRA. We should have organizations that track congressional votes and administration actions. We should have grassroots activists who are active in the GOP who make their presence felt, run the show, and hold politicians accountable. People say you will be identified and kicked out? Hell, organize and kick them out! There is something called political realignment and the national trends are coming our way.

    People who say the GOP will never change are quitters who know nothing about how politics really works. We live in a first past the post system that reinforces two party governance. The way to influence our politics is to take over the GOP. It’s really that simple. That’s what Bernie Sanders and the Democratic Socialists are doing on the left. We need to do the same thing.

    Blogs like Counter Currents play a crucial educational role, but that’s nowhere near enough. We need to be politically organized.

    • Digital Samizdat
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

      Good point. I still wonder why there was no bumper-crop of MAGA candidates back in 2018, when it would have really helped.

    • karsten
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

      Agreed. It’s the most baffling thing. Many have started doing nothing but Trump-bashing (for completely valid reasons, to be sure), but they aren’t doing anything else. They’re not initiating projects independently of voting. They’re not even saying, “Look, as you can see, both options are bad, let’s forget about mainstream politics and engage in [Project X] or [Initiative Y] instead.” They’re still focussing entirely on mainstream politics, mind you — they’re not ignoring it; it still occupies all of their attention — but with seemingly no other end but just complaining about Trump as an end in itself, period.

      They’re not even making rational cases for voting for someone else, and why it would be preferable to vote for someone who wants to go to “war with white nationalism,” someone who would be leading a party that is pro open borders and pro POC reparations.

      It’s almost as if, having broken up with a girl, they spend all their time just trying to get others to dislike that girl, with no other initiative in their lives.

      That, or their only pleasure has become trolling others on the dissident Right, for the sake of trolling and to no other end. Weirdly nihilistic.

    • Dissident
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

      Politically organizing is hard.

      The Klan was undone by vigilante/terrorist subversives, lawfare, and Civil Rights. Dr. Duke was cheated in his Senate race. When they couldn’t break him, he sat in jail for us.

      James Allsup suggested “infiltrating the GOP” too, and he actually tried it. But he is just one young man, and too few are willing to stick their necks out with him.

      Paul Nehlen and Patrick Little both campaigned for our cause. Both were swiftly exiled from their party, and systematically and often illegally de-personed. During his activism campaign, Little and his cameraman could have been killed by Antifa terrorists if they hadn’t been live-streaming their attackers. (As usual, video evidence and identification of the perps wasn’t sufficient to prevent the crime’s immediate dismissal.)

      The dissident politician must maintain his sanity amidst psychological warfare waged by the lügenpresse, the specter of infiltration, being spat on in the street, and the erosion of one’s personal relationships.

      The dissident activist is hyper-aware of every blow against his movement. Lead a double life, work around the clock, just trying to make a dent in the machine. Can YOU keep your cool and be effective?

      I am warning the reader not to discourage him, but to make sure he has the guts for this. If you do, go and do it! And build a network (think: a bundle of sticks); this can’t be JUST you against international Jewry. Delegate work to people you trust.

      There are lesser things one can do, too. Leave encouraging comments directly to the next person or group who’s standing up. Budget what you can to help pay for dissidents’ rent, food, travel, hospital bills, legal fees, and other activism expenses (because no one else is). When their payment processor cuts them off, indefatigably work around it. Shill for them on the Internet, especially when rebounding from their latest ban. Make videos, graphics, and music for them, if you know how. You can contribute other skills that I’m not imagining. Ideas are cheap, but action towards our goals is a blessing.

    • R.ang
      Posted February 25, 2020 at 2:24 am | Permalink

      Every black pilled person is negative and only complains, that’s like the essence of being black pilled…

  14. HamburgerToday
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Some quibbles:

    79-year-old Bernie has no obvious successor.

    Alexandra Ocasio Cortez

    [H]owever wounded and disillusioned the liberals are by their loss in November, they will still fight for open borders and amnesty with everything they’ve got left. And they’ll have help from open borders/amnesty Republicans.

    Since Trump’s election, the Republican Party Establishment has attempted to pass multiple pieces of legislation to increase immigration. Jarede Kushner’s ‘grand compromise’ on immigration is almost certain to be a complete capitulation to the Chamber of Commerce and include expansion of ‘legal’ immigration and amnesty.

    • karsten
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

      Well, yes. But that doesn’t make the point about the Democrats’ agenda any less accurate.

      It’s a choice between awful and much, much worse.

    • Alexandra O
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

      I’m certainly hoping that dear old Mother Nature, with her uprising of the Coronavirus. will disabuse us of the continued ‘open borders’ concept of the sob-story sisters who run the Leftist crowds on earth now. If it is as bad as some scientists predict, I foresee guns at borders. I hope it does not come to that, but oh, well.

  15. John Wilkinson
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Back around 2009, shortly after the housing bubble collapsed and when the Occupy Wall St protests were in full swing, I stopped considering myself a Republican and started following the Libertarian political trail…for no other reason, really, than feeling disaffected by both major parties.

    I’ve know that the Democrats were anti-white, anti-male, antifamily, and thusly my enemy since the early-to-mid 90s. Open, full-throttle ”progressivism” without any brakes to slow it down has been the status quo since the 1960s, but I at LEAST believed that the Republican Party offered legitimate opposition, and in the 90s, voices such as Rush Limbaugh and Pat Buchanan led me to believe that the Republican Party was not hostile to l, even compatible with, my socially conservative beliefs. Even then, as a man in my 20s, I was against affirmative action. I was aware that jobs within the federal government (and many state and local agencies as well) were being handed to minorities, that traditional values were under attack, that sexual harassment laws were being used to emasculate men, that “hate crime” laws were an attack on white people to disproportionately punish us.

    These ideas were all well within the big-picture doctrine of mainstream right-wing politics in the 80s and 90s when I was forming my political worldview as a teen and young adult.

    The 1-2-3 punch of Bill Clinton, George W Bush, and then, Barrack Obama, forced me to face the reality that neither party was really my home. Ron Paul was saying things that made sense. He at least caused me to question and re-examine the system as a whole. I began to understand that the party was “two sides of the same coin”, and the role that the Federal Reserve played, as well as the eye opening Jewishness of Wall Street and our financial system, all led me away from mainstream party affiliation. I wasn’t quite yet a right-wing dissident, but I was almost there. The Trayvon Martin case was the tipping point where I started identifying with other right wing dissidents, and paralleling this, my experience with divorce had led me into “Men’s Rights”, MGTOW, and PUA circles where I was learning about the sheer destructiveness of feminism.
    By 2015, I was embedded in the “alt-right”.

    All of this personal history, which probably mirrors what many people who voted for
    Trump in 2016 believe and have experienced, is to say that I frankly don’t care about 2020, outside of the slight hint of “lesser of two evils” that Trump represents. I’m not so jaded as to believe he never had any intentions of following through with his promises. I still believe the machinations of the system are in control. But I am jaded enough to realize that we aren’t ever going to be allowed a real populist on the right, and Bernie Sanders demonstrates that this is probably true of the left as well.

    Democracy is a sham. Money rules everything.
    Yeah I’ll enjoy watching women with purple hair crying when Trump is re-elected. But I’ll also laugh to myself a little at the notion that they, themselves, still believe in democracy enough to get emotional about it.

  16. Patrick Mahomes
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    I don’t really understand why this is posted on a nationalist website. True, most of the analysis here is correct, but only in a “CNN special guest commenter” style.

    Trump is likely to win now but it’s by default, running against weak candidates, than anything structural he created. I notice how the author didn’t even pretend to point out successs in Trumps term because frankly there are none.

    Anyway, the point of the article is, what? Leftists are delusional? They won’t change? I admire that. I’d love if our candidate was an unabashed fighter for us instead Of the sellout we voted for.

    Remember: Trump isn’t buying us time. He’s buying his donor class time, because massive socialism taxes ARE COMING. If not 2020 then soon after – demography is destiny.

    • karsten
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

      I’ll just say, then, that I’m glad that you’re not deciding what should and shouldn’t be posted here.

      I don’t mean that in a hostile way. But I find the points in this article to be quite interesting and well worth contemplating.

    • Eihwas14
      Posted February 24, 2020 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

      P.s. One thing Trump did say at his rallies in 2016 was a welcoming of those Bernie supporters that could find a home in his campaign. I would love to hear that be our call when/if Bernie does not win. There are many great white men and women supporting Bernie.

  17. White Nationalist Fella
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    You will have to pry a black pill out of my cold dead hand.

  18. Elenka
    Posted February 24, 2020 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    “Pity ‘em, me liddle dear; pity ‘em and despise ‘em.” – from What’s Bred in the Bone by Robertson Davies.

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